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Long Gone But Not Forgotten! Outer Borough Memories

A similar post on the Manhattan Board has so far generated 450 responses, so I thought a NYC-non Manhattan post could also bring back memories. For a start:

Alex and Henry's (East 161 St.)
Joe and Joe's (pronounced jo-jos) on Bruckner Blvd.
Patricia Murphey's on Tremont Ave.

Niedersteins(?) a sprawling German restaurant on Metropolitan Ave. on the Cemetery side of the street.
(a name I forget-please help if you remember): an upscale restaurant in the Mansion previously owned by Oscar Hammerstein in Bayside (or College Point)

(of course) Lundy's; and Gage and Tollner
Grillo's: Fish restaurant and market in the Newkirk Ave. subway station mall;
Adele (upscale in then downscale Park Slope) in space that is now Applewood
Lisanne: First upscale restaurant in east Boerum Hill (now Betty's Bakery)
Aunt Suzie's (not great food, but still a special place)
Patois: the first restaurant to inspire the Smith St. restaurant row
La Bouillabaise: First Brooklyn Zagat superstar
Garden Cafe: A super restaurant in Prospect Heights when PH was edgy
Laila: Middle Eastern with huge portions in what is now Greenwood Heights.
Near East: Great Moroccan on Atlantic Ave.
Brawta (and more recently Fisherman's Dawta); Jamaican on Atlantic Ave.
Christie's Jamaican Patties

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  1. I remember fondly The New Prospect Cafe on Flatbush, one of the first in the area of its kind.

    A vegetarian restaurant that had burritos and other things -- had a branch on Henry Street and also somewhere in Park Slope. I just liked the place, especially the one in the Heights. What was it called?

    Great Shanghai in Sunset Park (my replacement for Little Shanghai in Chinatown, which had closed.)

    Spicy Mina and Southern Spice in Queens.

    Cino's on DeKalb. Red Sauce neighborhood place.

    Helen's on Court Street. Ditto above.

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    1. re: gnosh

      How dare I forget Mina's (her original restaurant in Sunnyside) and Spicy Mina?

    2. I haven't been around long enough in Bklyn to go far back in the way back machine.

      We loved La Bouillabaisse in its early days. Actually went the first week it was open. Neil came out of the kitchen to chat with us since there were only a few tables at the time. He told us his story and how he used to cook on cruise ships. That was a great place. It seemed so tiny then. The places that have come and gone in the space have had better design but not better food.

      I really miss Leaf & Bean that was on Montague. Great coffee and brunch.

      Also liked Coq Hardi on Montague. Never got a fair chance as it was on the second floor. Great french food and the owner was a really good guy.

      Tanpopo and its later incarnation as Bistro. Tanpopo had the best and most authentic sushi in Brooklyn at its time. Spent a lot of time sitting at the sushi bar. When it turned into a french bistro, it morphed into a family hangout. Pictures of our kids along with half the neighborhood kids were hung up behind the bar. Jim was such a curmudgeon but Helen was always a wonderful hostess.

      I started a thread years ago about "ghosts on Montague" and it got deleted after only a few posts because threads about past places was verboten then. Nice that they have changed the policy.

      Thanks for starting the thread.

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      1. re: Bkeats

        Yes I forgot Le Coq Hardi. I don't think it lasted very long though. The chef was Moroccan/French, if I remember correctly.

        1. re: Bkeats

          I'll repeat some of what others mentioned only because they were memorable.
          Jahn's ( kitchen sink)
          Don Peppe's is not long gone it's alive and well (Ozone Park)
          Mrs. Stahl's great knishes ( Brighton)
          Someone actually remembered Grillo's( good fish) ( Foster Ave)
          Lundy's ( new one didn't come close to the old one) ( Sheepshead Bay)
          Crisci's ( great italian_( Williamsburg)
          Nino's ( New Lots Ave.)
          Herbie's International ( original roast pork on garlic bread ( Flatlands)
          Big Bow Wow ( Cross Bay Blvd)
          Coney Island Joe's ( Brownsville)
          Joe's ( italian food by Pratt)
          Grabstein's Deli ( Canarsie)
          Mitchell's ( bensonhurst)
          Nedick's ( hot dogs) Flatlands Ave.
          Wetson's ( pre McDonald's)
          Wee Three Cafe ( Park Slope)
          New China Inn ( Flatbush)
          Grotta D''Oro ( Flatbush)
          Tad's $1.19 steaks ( 14th St.)
          The Pawlding ( Morris Pk. Ave.Bx)
          Pizza City ( Howard Beach)
          Su Su's Yum Yum ( Henry St. Bklyn)
          Galaxy Diner ( East New York)
          Cono The Fisherman ( Maspeth)
          Hero Inn ( Downtown Bklyn)
          Solaways ( Downtown Bklyn)
          Ariola's Bakery ( best cannoli, City Line)
          The Pit ( great ribs, Bed Sty)
          Dubrow's ( Kings Hwy)
          Willy's Lemon Ice ( Atlantic Ave,)

          1. re: foodwhisperer

            SuSu's??? Really? Well, maybe the piano bar or late night "parties". Btw, if you want to reacquaint yourself with the family, I'm pretty sure her brother still owns Jakes on Columbia, just down from Alma.

            1. re: Steve R

              Yes Susu's was a fun place to eat, and was packed all the time. The food was really good ( for that style of Chinese-American food). The family had opened the first Chinese restaurant in Riverdale.
              Su Su ( the daughter has passed away) and yes one brother has Jake's on Columbia St. But SuSu's restaurant is a long gone but not forgotten restaurant.

        2. Also, did you see the recent story about Alan Harding, the owner of Patois?


          Its too bad that the guy who started the Brooklyn dining renaissance has been left behind. Hope he starts something new.

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          1. re: Bkeats

            Yes--that was kind of sad. I remember when everyone loved to hate him, jealous of his success.

          2. I didn't know Christie's closed. I remember going there around when they opened. I sent all my friends there too.

            Mrs. Stahl's in Brighton Beach. I miss their knishes.

            Loft's Candy store. Ice cream, egg creams, candy, rum balls, etc.

            Jahn's on Ave. U. Amazing how much of the world opens up to you when you get your driver's license. Late night hangs w/o having to worry about catching the bus.

            Wetson's. Dunno why, but I miss this place and Jack in the Box. Dallas BBQ isn't the same.

            Frank & Sonny's pizzeria. Absolutely nothing special about this place except it was my neighborhood pizzeria and the center of our grammar school universe. And the pizza was a good Brooklyn slice.

            Carvel's on Empire Blvd. Sure, there's other Carvel's, but this was my Carvel's. It was a treat to go there after Prospect Park or the roller rink when I was a kid.

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            1. re: GoodGravy

              How dare I leave out Mrs. Stahl's. Thank you GG.

              1. re: GoodGravy

                I believe the last location of Christie's is slated to become the new location of El Gran Castillo de Jagua. (Or is it El Rey -- whichever one wasn't replaced by Duane Reade.)

                I just never liked Brawta -- lived across from it on and off for decades and just never thought it was better than average.

                I pass by the old Gage & Tollner space every day and it makes me so sad -- it's a s**thole now. My dad had an epic buffalo steak there.

                Garden Cafe, and in particular it's Monday to Thursday 3-course, $25 fixed price menu were awesome. The last time we went we sat next to Bloomberg hobnobbing with Markowitz before he was elected mayor. Talk about a power dinner!

                I really miss Vaux, which was a grown-up resto in Park Slope in the space now inhabited by Blue Ribbon and Calexico. Great brunch.

                Long Tan had passable Thai food and a great late-night happy hour (11 to 1 am or something) - I miss it more for the scene than the food or drink.

                There was a place called Mexican Pizza Company or something like that on 5th in Park Slope that had really good quesadillas. Like, really good. I think they were only around a year or so.

                Banania Cafe's brunch, most notably the excellent bread basket and the low price tag.

              2. Acadia Parish on Atlantic. Great cajun.

                1. Brooklyn

                  Bamboo House (Kings Highway)
                  Cooky's (both the Kings Plaza and Avenue M outposts)
                  Shatzkin's (Kings Plaza)
                  Adelman's (Kings Highway)
                  Big Daddy's (Coney Island Avenue)
                  Collaro's (Ocean Parkway)
                  Ocean Palace (Avenue U)
                  The Grapevine (Coney Island Avenue)
                  Pip's (Emmons Ave., not really a food place, but truly missed)

                  I have to say that my list includes places where the food was not necessarily the star, but the atmosphere was memorable many years later.

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                  1. re: foodiemom10583

                    I forgot Luigino's on Coney Island Avenue and Kings Highway. It was so nondescript from the outside: The entrance was a narrow doorway behind the Kingsway movie theater. Once inside, there were twinkling chandeliers, ladies in evening gowns, and tuxedoed waiters with thick Italian accents juggling trays of shrimp cocktails and veal parmigiana.

                    Magliulio's, further north on Coney Island Avenue near Avenue M, was a bit different. It was pretty much a coffee shop with comforting, grandmotherly Italian-American food.

                  2. Just remembered another favorite.

                    Patsy's. Before it was Grimaldi's. Before it was sold and moved. Back when Patsy roamed the room. When there where all those posters of Sinatra and he sang from the jukebox. Yeah, I know that Patsy reopened in the same space with Juliana's but its not the same.

                    1. Queens:
                      Bob, is the mansion restaurant you refer to the old Rudolph Valentino home and originally named,Café on the Green? Still there in the umpteenth incarnation, still serving lousy catering hall quality food.
                      I miss,
                      Holly Inn on Holly ave in Flushing. Half bar, half restaurant, all character. Great old Italian tavern food. Sunday nights were some of the best family restaurant meals we enjoyed.

                      Stork's in Whitestone and The Cakebox in Bay Terrace.

                      Every queens deli now gone. The one on Utopia next to the current Utopia Bagels, the one that was on Francis Lewis across from the Milk Maid, also great and gone.

                      Scobee Diner in Little Neck and the Howard Johnson's a few blocks west. Seville Diner, for late night meals.

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                      1. re: stuartlafonda

                        Thanks for the correction on original inhabitant of the Café on the Green mansion. It's hard to believe that it is still there, but I forgot also that it was on parkland so I guess it wont be torn down for a high-rise.

                        1. re: stuartlafonda

                          Cafe on the Green is Vivaldi now and is awful. All style, no substance.

                        2. Ralph's Italian restaurant - in Jackson Heights off Northern in a little shopping center with a Waldbaum's. What a great little place.

                          1. Acadia Parish was one of our all time favorites.
                            Moroccan Star, also on Atlantic.
                            360 on Van Brunt--the first of the Red Hook dining scene

                            Going further back..
                            Camperdown Elm, on Union Street...used to go there with my parents for that "special meal" when I was in college. (Dating myself here!) Anyone around long enough to remember that? Later it became McFeely's.

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                            1. re: jinx

                              I remember McFeely's which was a sister restaurant to the one we remembered from west Chelsea (now that location on 10th Ave. is central Chelsea). The Brooklyn one lasted quite a bit longer, before it too failed.

                              1. re: jinx

                                Camperdown used to be the Palm Pines, a neon dive bar frequented by mob wanabees and and their fast friends.

                              2. Two come to mind right now ...

                                1- The Original F&J Pine Tavern on Bronxdale Avenue in the Bronx

                                2- The Original Plan Eat Thailand on Bedford Avenue in Brooklyn

                                <ETA> Two German eateries also very missed ...

                                3- Charlies Inn on Harding Avenue in the Bronx

                                4- Castle Harbour Casino on Havemeyer Avenue in the Bronx

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                                1. re: Cheese Boy

                                  I will add one of our favorite near the track (Aqueduct)--Don Peppe, in Ozone Park. Still in business, although I've not been in about 30 years, or more.

                                  Any recent reports?

                                  My first taste of raw clams was at Lundy's in South Brooklyn, mentioned above. Brooklyn Restaurant Hall of Fame.

                                  Partner who grew up in the Bronx, near the stadium, long ago, has offered:

                                  The Jerome Cafeteria, on 161st Street
                                  Addie Vallins Ice Cream Parlor
                                  The Roxy Delcatessen on 161st Street

                                  1. re: Cheese Boy

                                    I liked Plan Eat Thai, too. Your mention of it made me remember Oznot's Dish--great quirky brunch in Williamsburg before it became a total theme park.

                                    1. re: Cheese Boy

                                      Love the memories of Castle Harbour and Charlie's Inn!

                                      My family misses Donaghey's Steak House on Broadway in the Bronx.

                                    2. Lum's on Northern Blvd. in Flushing. 1950's style Chinese food. We didn't really go out to eat much when I was a kid, but when we did it was usually there so the memories have stuck with me.

                                      1. Broadway Sandwich Shop for the best Cuban food in Queens.

                                        Bownie for Sri Lankan.

                                        Burmese Cafe

                                        A Fan Ti, maybe the original Dong Bei restaurant in Queens.

                                        1. Lums in Flushing! I miss that place. And on to the Bronx - Schwellers deli, Jade Garden and the best bagel/bialy place ever on Jerome Avenue. The only name it had was hot bagel/bialy.

                                          1. Old Roma in Flushing, my favorite Italian restaurant in queens. Miss the bread, parm and old Roma cake.

                                            Goody's in Rego Park, wonderful soup dumplings, better than Joe's Shanghai and they were 2.99(?) for 6.

                                            Sapori D'Ischia in Woodside, truffles! And great pastas and specials.

                                            Southern Spice in Flushing, the best biryani I've had in NYC hands down.

                                            I forgot the name of it but there was an amazing Greek dinner in Little Neck that used to serve 1 pound burgers.

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                                            1. re: Pookipichu

                                              My family went to Old Roma every other Sunday for about 30 years growing up. Such great memories.

                                              Southern Spice is just across the border in Nassau County now and it was excellent the last time I went there.

                                              Are you referring to Scobee Diner in Little Neck? I had more drunken meals there than any other place in my life.

                                              There was also an Italian place in Little Neck on Horace Harding called Fra Diavlo. My parents used to bring that in on Saturdays.

                                              And Rosa Maria pizza in Little Neck too was the bomb.

                                              1. re: wolmania

                                                Right, Fra Diavolo. Also on Northern in Little Neck was Villa Bianca- not the wedding place but the Italian buffet. All you could eat.

                                                1. re: wolmania

                                                  Old Roma was our go to place too, funny we've probably been there are the same time. I begged them not to close and I put our name on their contact list.

                                                  It was a family run Greek diner on a corner near Scobees on the other side of Northern Blvd. They used to have soulvaki and amazing 1 pound burgers, totally delicious and perfectly cooked.

                                                  I love Southern Spice but unfortunately I don't drive and getting to New Hyde Park is a crazy schlep by mass transit.

                                              2. A lot of great ones here!
                                                Aesop's on Montague Street.
                                                The Montague Street Saloon.
                                                The Lamps of China.
                                                Karl Drodge ice cream
                                                Martini's Seafood Restaurant
                                                Snooky's but from the '70's
                                                Frank's Diner (now Ample Hills on Nevins Street).
                                                Mr. Falafel on Montague
                                                McFeeley's on Union Street
                                                Park Slope Brewery
                                                Steak & Brew
                                                Cookies in Kings Plaza

                                                1. The very personal Bo on Kissena was a big loss. Still remember Maria's personal, homey Korean.

                                                  1. If we want to go way, way, way back, and I'll keep it confined to decent restaurants in Park Slope/Prospect Heights; Snooky's, back when they had a salad bar and some of the best croutons in the boros, Minsky's, great burgers. Ding's Chinese - my first intro to spicy Szechuan. The first Garden Restaurant, by 399 Flatbush Avenue, which turned into the Prospect Cafe. The second Garden Restaurant, on Vanderbilt Avenue & Prospect Place. Antonio's (?), where present day Tutta Pasta resides. Charlie's Steak House where Franny's now resides. And, although not a restaurant, Lilly's Italian Pastry Shop on 7th Ave, right across from John Jay: that woman's whipped cream eclair could mellow G-d out right before the whole Sodom & Gomorrah debacle. Please, forgive any punctuation or grammatical errors, yo.

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                                                    1. RainTrees on 9th and the Park ... Tournedos Rossini, Veal Valdastano.
                                                      Then, the owner took on some young chefs.
                                                      One evening's special ... sea scallops the size of my fist, ringed w/ coral, poached over Sauterne.

                                                      D'Vine quickly, albeit prematurely, followed up on this trend.
                                                      If you don't think a chef can work in an 18'sq area w/ a hot plate and microwave, guess again.

                                                      A bit further afield ... that churrascaria on College Point Blvd.
                                                      The circus tent-like, outer-space-like, draw of grilled meats and all sorts of people coming together ... like, so ny.

                                                      And the best knish I ever had in ny was sold to me, during late autumn, by a pensioner pulling a shopping cart loaded w/
                                                      his wife's cooking down the boardwalk.

                                                      1. Taygetos, Roumeli and Karyatis for Greek in Astoria.
                                                        Here's an old one - Scott's Seafood in Rego Park across from Alexander's.

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                                                        1. re: johnk

                                                          I don't remember Scott's. It was probably too upscale for my parents in the '60's or '70's.
                                                          I actually miss the Howard Johnson's on Queens Blvd next to Alexander's. Specifically for the ayce fried clams.

                                                          1. re: johnk

                                                            Thanks for the memory of Scott's in Rego Park. It was a little further down QB from Alexanders.It was all white with red lobsters on the walls.It probably was upscale for its day and on Sundays it was quite a wait.They also owned a short-lived casual diner-type right opposite Alex. called Candy's.Served great little bread basket muffins.

                                                          2. Adnan (?) continental cuisine on Atlantic Avenue

                                                            Not restaurants but Ebingers and California Pies.

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                                                            1. re: psnative

                                                              And on the non-restaurant's vain - Norgaard's bakery in Astoris!! Best rainbow cookies on the plantet.

                                                            2. In Queens:
                                                              Salerno's in Richmond Hill, and the Jahn's next to it.
                                                              Sun Luck (Chinese restaurant opposite Queens Center mall)
                                                              Bo-bo's in the Queens Center Mall's "World's Fare" food court...I've yet to find better roast pork fried rice or lo mein.

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                                                              1. re: Anne

                                                                Also in Queens, Karp's Richmond Hill, Perriwinkle, Hollis Wood,Horn & Hardart Fresh Meadows, Charney's Deli Jamaica, Concord Cafeteria Jamaica. Pastrami King Kew Gardens, Turnpike Restaurant Kew Gardens

                                                              2. Brew Burger (or Brew N Burger?), Merit farms (great roasted duck) and Paddy's Clam House.

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                                                                1. re: David11238

                                                                  We had Brew Burgers and Merit Farms in Yonkers too, where I grew up. Loved Merit's rotisserie chicken - AND it came in a insulated bag. Unheard of now with those dumb plastic things.

                                                                2. Hy Tulip under the El on 86th Street Bensonhurst.

                                                                  1. Michel's on Flatbush Ave near 8th, Park Slope's ritziest place for many years. Carolina in Conely Island, which formed a triangle with nearby Totonno and Gargiulo's for classic Italian American family eating.

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                                                                    1. re: bob96

                                                                      The baked clams at Carolina's were life-changing.

                                                                      1. re: foodiemom10583

                                                                        The Baked Clams at the current location > Since 1954 & the original Navy St. location Since 1930 at > La Palina on Ave. O, are the equal of the legendary Carolina's. And what about Carolina's legendary Fettucini Alfredo where they would mix the hot pasta in a partially scooped-out wheel of cheese. And the shot of Sherry to start your meal. And Carolina herself at the cash register. And the Gerace Bread "restaurant loaf" from down the block... also R.I.P.

                                                                        1. re: allenbank

                                                                          Remember well the complimentary shot--thought it might have been vermouth, but no matter. And one especially grumpy but sweet waiter, forever hunched over. And the lines on Sunday.

                                                                        2. re: bob96

                                                                          Oh my G-d, yes. The Coney Island triumvirate were amazing. There was also Gersase's bakery near the station that sold their bread to Carolina's and other Brooklyn restaurants. The Spouse and my father could compete on who loved that bread more. I also miss Crisci's and Collaro's.

                                                                          Big Daddy's was the bribe my father used to get me to take my allergy shots. I still hated the shots, but a hot dog went a long way to make things better.

                                                                        3. I would second or third Bouillabaise - BTW the only NY restaurant I ever took my parents to that they really enjoyed. Also I don't remember the name of it, but the Creole restaurant on Atlantic Ave near Third Avenue, right next door to the mosque - cheap and delicious. Fantastic oxtails.
                                                                          ETA: Poodam, Thai place on 46th and Broadway in Queens. Great food in an apparently cursed location.

                                                                          1. Queens, St Johnsbury, Ozone Park under the A train, sort of an upscale Greek diner and Constantines (more of the same on Hillside Ave) in Jamaica

                                                                            1. Topsy's on Queens Blvd in Forest Hills for fried chicken and corn fritters. When the moon is just so I could howl.

                                                                              1. Hershey's KnishShop under the West End Line 50th St. station...way-way back!
                                                                                Nino's Pizza and their heros, incomparable spinach and escarole pies - corner of Union & Henry Sts.
                                                                                N. E.Tell's Bakery - REAL prune danish and ruggelach - Church Avenue...near the long-shuttered Scarola's and Edna's Delicatessen...and Saul's Appetizing store.
                                                                                Royal Crown Bakery on 14th Av. & 65th St.- at its peak.
                                                                                BoBowl - A rinkydink Chinese takeout joint on Queens Blvd. and 65th Avenue, down the street from JayDee Bakery.
                                                                                ...and so many more.

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                                                                                1. re: Mike R.

                                                                                  Is Royal Crown now closed, after some reported legal issues?

                                                                                  I adored that bakery.

                                                                                  1. re: erica

                                                                                    Still baking bread on 14th ave across from Santa Rosalia church where we first bought the paneantico

                                                                                2. Staten Island used to have a Chinese place called Lum Chin. Plain ol' Cantonese food in a tasteful modern building, the only difference was everything seemed fresher than anywhere else and was never greasy or over-sauced. I miss it.

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                                                                                  1. re: comestible

                                                                                    I remember that place. I used to work on Staten Island, and we would get takeout from Lum Chin on special occasions.

                                                                                  2. Brooklyn:
                                                                                    Sutter's French Bakery on Flatbush near Cortelyou
                                                                                    Chock Full O'Nuts on Fulton St
                                                                                    Ebinger's Montague St
                                                                                    Quik Burger Flatbush Ave near Macy's and near Ave U
                                                                                    Wes's Candy Store and Joe's Candy Store Ave U and Island Ave
                                                                                    Bohack's and Packer's Super markets
                                                                                    Floyd Bennett Stores
                                                                                    Action City!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!! I loved that place.
                                                                                    Let's celebrate Junior's, Roll and Roaster, Brennan and Carr's & Nick's Lobster still alive!

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                                                                                    1. re: Motosport

                                                                                      Moto, do you mean Quickies? It was between Nostrand and Gerritsen on Avenue U, not far from where The Flame Steakhouse and Captain's Quarters used to be.

                                                                                      1. re: foodiemom10583

                                                                                        Nope, it was Quick (Quik) Burger. I worked there. Flatbush Ave just across Ave U from where Kings Plaza is now. There were marinas in the Kings Plaza location. The other Quick Burger was near Macy's on Flatbush.
                                                                                        Then there was also Benson Burgers and Wetson's!! All before McD and BK came to Brooklyn.

                                                                                        1. re: Motosport

                                                                                          I remember Wetson's well. For some reason, my burgers were always burned. :(

                                                                                      2. re: Motosport

                                                                                        Ebinger's...all over the place...loved the honey buns from the one on Church Avenue near East 19th Street / Brighton Line station.
                                                                                        Hamburger Host - On Flatbush Avenue near Beverly Road...they grilled 'em in the window and the smoke wafted onto the street - a burger for the ages!

                                                                                      3. Since this has expanded to include non-restaurants, here are a few more:
                                                                                        Tedone's for the amazing smoked and regular mozzarella
                                                                                        Laticini Barese on Union St. for Mozzarella
                                                                                        Joe's Perette for six foot heroes and, more importantly, for prosciutto balls that were more addictive than crack (I had several months of withdrawal symptoms when they closed)

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                                                                                        1. re: bobjbkln

                                                                                          +1 for Latticini Barese, including their friendly spirit, bead curtain and their cat as well as the very best mozzarella
                                                                                          All the great Italian bakeries that are no more, including Cammereri (the original) and the no-name Bakery on Fifth Ave near Carroll (space became Cucina) and Royal Crown at its baking peak

                                                                                          1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                            Jen, the no name bakery on 5th was for many years (before being sold) owned by the Guarino family--we shopped there, and were friendly with the family, mom and pop and uncles, and esp. the kids. Multiple bakings each day, and a rush to get our well-done loaves before they closed noon on Sunday. On the Carroll St corner before al di la, a series of pizzerie and before that La Rinascente pasticceria. +2 for Latticini Barese. On Court St bet Pres and Union (E side) was the large latticini-salumeria long owned by the Aiello family, who sold to Russians in the 80s.

                                                                                            1. re: bob96

                                                                                              my husband used to pick up bread there every morning when going running. Their breads had a soft texture - beautiful white rounds, sesame braids and lard bread. The sicilian baker and his daughter were memorable. While it lasted we had great bread pudding as the left over bread piled up. There was also a shop next door where I bought containers of homemade lard, with a bay leaf on top.

                                                                                              1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                                The Guarinos sold their bakery to this Sicilian family, who renamed it (if memory serves) Carroll Bakery. On that block as well was the famous Pipitone butcher shop, complete with sawdust and stools and much chatter about meats for Sunday.

                                                                                                1. re: bob96

                                                                                                  There was also a butcher and a pastry shop on 4th Avenue between Union and President Street. Your comment about the sawdust and the stools reminded me of it. My mother used to say we're going to "Tony the butcher". Also on Union Street between off Columbia was Cioffi's Pastry shop, another family favorite.

                                                                                                  1. re: bob96

                                                                                                    so it looks like I knew it in the Sicilian phase - Carroll Street Bakery sounds right.

                                                                                                2. re: bob96

                                                                                                  Yes the pizza place on 5th and Carroll. Our Sunday night spot for pizza. My cousin's band also used to rehearse in their basement. Lots of nice memories you brought back for me bob96.

                                                                                            2. What was the name of the pizza place in Carroll Garden that was I think on President? They made a pretty fabulous pizza in the days before all the pizza hype. I recall they brought a head of roasted garlic with bread when you sat down. That was awesome stuff.

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                                                                                              1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                "What was the name of the pizza place in Carroll Garden that was I think on President? They made a pretty fabulous pizza in the days before all the pizza hype. I recall they brought a head of roasted garlic with bread when you sat down. That was awesome stuff.."


                                                                                                1. re: Steve R

                                                                                                  That's it. Lived for a short time in Cobble Hill way back then and I used to go there a lot. I just couldn't come up with the name. Was just a step below Patsy's and there was no wait. Thanks Steve.

                                                                                              2. There was a great bakery just off the Prospect Park West circle. I think it was called L&H. They had the most amazing strawberry tarts for only 15 cents.

                                                                                                  1. re: frankie5angels

                                                                                                    Additionally in that shopping center, Bell Appetizing, and the Bay Terrace Kosher Deli.

                                                                                                    1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                      And, in the same shopping center - Bagels with a twist!

                                                                                                  2. In Queens:

                                                                                                    Not a restaurant but a very special place -- Jahn's Ice Cream parlor. I considered myself extremely fortunate because my father's brother was the manager. That meant when I ordered vanilla ice cream, I could also have the canister with the sprinkles by my side to add at will. They were famous for their Kitchen Sink, an enormous cauldron filled with every flavor ice cream. My sister had it once for a birthday party and it was a huge treat.

                                                                                                    On Hillside Avenue near the 179th Street subway station was a pizzeria called Nino's. I still remember how delicious their pizza was -- classic NY Style, and a regular Friday lunch treat in elementary school.

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                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                      Didn't know you were a Queens girl!

                                                                                                      1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                        I consider myself a Brooklyn girl, but we moved to Queens when I was 9. I detested Queens, and couldn't wait to leave, which I did right after college.

                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                          I then hope not Queens College?

                                                                                                              1. re: johnk

                                                                                                                Maybe now. It was boring beyond belief. I lived on the subway into Manhattan, and spent as little time there as possible. And by they way, NONE of those things were there when I lived in Queens. Zero, zilch, nada. And look at the map. See anything wonderful in Jamaica, Fresh Meadows, or Hollis? I rest my case.

                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                  What year?...I graduated Queens College in 1975...so interpolate back..
                                                                                                                  Utopia bagels? Pastrami King in Kew gardens?
                                                                                                                  Lums in Flushing?...Saravan Diner?
                                                                                                                  I was hanging out in Queens in 1971...and you?

                                                                                                                  1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                                    Manhattan. I never hung out in Queens. I hung out in the Village, what little hanging out I did.

                                                                                                    2. Eileen's Fabulous Cheesecake. It really was amazing.

                                                                                                      1. Has anyone mentioned Steak Loft in Queens, or Yuraku on Northern Blvd?

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                                                                                                          1. re: IWantFood

                                                                                                            It was on Utopia Parkway and like 18th Avenue or so.
                                                                                                            We used to hollow out the bread at the salad bar and stuff it with a few dozen shrimp and douse in cocktail sauce.
                                                                                                            Fun times.

                                                                                                          2. re: wincountrygirl

                                                                                                            Nope, but I know both well. I also miss Flessel's the German place in lCollege Point. Used to go for Friday Lenten fish dinners.

                                                                                                            1. re: ZenFoodist

                                                                                                              Five Corner's in College Point also..

                                                                                                          3. Frank's Pizzeria on Pitkin Ave, under the el, where I was introduced to thick crusted pizza in the '40's.
                                                                                                            Brennan and Carr's for its roast beef buns sopped in juice. Still there?
                                                                                                            An Italian restaurant in East New York on Berriman St. Later moved to Canarsie Pier. I don't recall the name.
                                                                                                            Gorelick's Delicatessen for its franks with kraut, corned beef and pastrami sandwiches.
                                                                                                            Joe Yee's Chinese restaurant on Flatbush Ave. for its shrimp puffs.

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                                                                                                            1. re: budcar

                                                                                                              As of last week Brennan and Carr's is still serving their triple dipped sloppy juicy roast beef sammiches with sautéed onions just the way I love em!!!!

                                                                                                              1. re: budcar

                                                                                                                The restaurant in Canarsie was Abbracciamento on the Pier. It had a sister restaurant in Rego Park Joe Abbracciamento that lasted for over 60 years until it closed last March.

                                                                                                                1. re: budcar


                                                                                                                  I remember Gorelicks Delicatessen very well growing up in East New York. I also remember Joe Yees. Do you remember Sols Famous Fraps on New Lots and Sheffield. He used to open at night only.

                                                                                                                  1. re: irvingk

                                                                                                                    I grew up in East New York too. Do you remember the place on either Pitkin or Blake Avenue that had french fries under a heat lamp, and they would serve them with little wooden forks? I wish I remember the name of the place, but it was right on the street, not actually inside a store.

                                                                                                                    We also would go to A&S in downtown Brooklyn, and go to Kreske's (sp?) where my sister would get a Charlotte Russe, and I would get a slab of vanilla ice cream on two freshly made, hot waffles. Heaven.

                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                      Ah, charlotte russe.The container was this this white
                                                                                                                      crown shaped cup containing a paper disc to hold the cake in place.Served at many places including bakeries.
                                                                                                                      why did you leave us?

                                                                                                                      1. re: budcar

                                                                                                                        I never liked it, and maybe one of the reasons I was a skinny kid was that I hated whipped cream! As I recall, Charlotte Russe was mainly whipped cream with the little bit of sponge cake on the bottom, and a cherry on top.

                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                          I hated it equally, but I was a fat kid who hated whipped cream. Oxymoron, no? My dad's favorite story for a while was the friend who brought me this really special treat, a big box full of charlotte russe, and little me excitedly opening the box only to wail, "But I don't like whipped cream!"

                                                                                                                          1. re: rockycat

                                                                                                                            You can still get the Charlotte Russe if you really want one but you have to go to Holterman's Bakery on Staten Island.

                                                                                                                      2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                        Chow Mein on a hamburger bun with fried noodles at McCrory's downtown or was it Woolworth?

                                                                                                                        1. re: psnative

                                                                                                                          I thought it was Nathan's but maybe more than one place served it. Although why any place would serve it at all is a mystery to me.


                                                                                                                          1. re: rockycat

                                                                                                                            Nathan's did have it. Along with frog legs and soft shell crab sammiches.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                              and they had the original "hot" lobster roll.
                                                                                                                              The chow mein on a bun wasn't bad, better than mcrory's. There was a truck call Chow Chow Cup that used to serve chow main in a giant noodle the shape of a bowl, you eat the bowl.

                                                                                                                              1. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                I do remember Chow Chow Cup but was never a big fan.
                                                                                                                                As for Nathan's 99% of the time I got hot dogs otherwise I went for the soft shell crab sammich.
                                                                                                                                Does anyone remember the Back Room at Nathan's which had waiter service? The new rest rooms are in that space and replaced the pay 5 cent toilets.
                                                                                                                                There is still a pay toilet at the Wonder Wheel.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                  Yes I remember the back room. One of its menu items was Clam broth that had no clams in it. There was a cartoon on the wall about someone very angry because he found a piece of clam in his broth. I also remember that my father (who was not normally a big tipper) always leaving a percentage-wise large tip there because he said it wasn't the waiters' fault that the prices were so low.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                    I vaguely remember waiter service in back room of Nathan's.
                                                                                                                                    I used to get the fried clam sandwich, and the lobster roll mostly. As well as raw clams. My mom loved the Barbecue Sandwich ( not sure exactly what it was).

                                                                                                                                    1. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                      The "Back Room: at Nathan's was a great first date venue. If the gal was impressed with my knowledge of amazing places to dine she was a "keeper."
                                                                                                                                      If she leaned over and unlocked the door she was marriage material.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Motosport

                                                                                                                                        "If she leaned over and unlocked the door she was marriage material."
                                                                                                                                        sounds like Bronx Tale

                                                                                                                                  2. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                    Just remembered another one King George on Fulton Street across from A & S. Great burgers. My brother took me there all the time.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: psnative

                                                                                                                                      A&S was my mother's store of choice. Her charge account was a number on a token on her key ring that she would show when she would buy something!

                                                                                                                        1. Has anyone mentioned Waterfront Crab House in Long Island City? I loved that place. They even had a great prime rib.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: wincountrygirl

                                                                                                                              I didn't realize Waterfront Crabhouse was gone. They had interesting pictures on the wall. And other interesting stuff on the walls.

                                                                                                                              1. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                ACtually, I thought they were gone but they are still there,

                                                                                                                            2. A lot of memories here for sure. I don't believe anyone mentioned Amerigo's on East Tremont Ave. in the Bronx. It was a favorite Italian restaurant that served a killer Hot Antipasto for 2, and a good pizza after 11 pm.
                                                                                                                              And there was Joe Nina's on Westchester Ave. off Crosby that offered delicious upscale Italian...

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                                                                                                                                1. re: gutreactions

                                                                                                                                  Villagio was very good too (a competitor of Amerigo's).
                                                                                                                                  Amerigo's is now a hobby shop and a Radio shack, side by side.
                                                                                                                                  Joe Nina's is now Lucca's Seafood (owned by one of Joe Nina's waitresses along with a partner or two). http://www.lucca-restaurant.com/index...