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One word. Really?!?!?!

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      1. I can't see his show lasting very long. Not that most of the winners have a very good track record on the network, anyway... I don't watch Food Network much anymore, but I can say I would never be interested in watching his show.

        Whatever happened to the guy who won last year? He actually seemed talented.

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        1. re: OrchConductor

          A woman won last year. Demerest. She has her own show and was part of the redemption show with Zakarian.

            1. re: cwdonald

              Damaris. I guess she was so totally forgettable we even forgot her name!

          1. Well who was it? I didn't watch any of it but the first episode but I am mildly curious.

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            1. re: Firegoat

              Lenny "Cowboy Up" McNab won. Makes sense as the network seems to be going in a Midwest direction. I think his show will be cringetastic.

              1. re: Njchicaa

                In the old clips, I hadn't recalled that Bob T. essentially told Lenny he didn't need to be quite so "big" all the time. Wonder if that bodes anything for Lenny's show?

                I was shocked--was sure it was Luca's to lose.

                1. re: pine time

                  There's a discussion of Lenny's non-FNS Internet activity on foodnetworkgossip.com that makes me REALLY wonder about whether Lenny will get a show or not.

                    1. re: coney with everything

                      Wow, thanks for the heads up on that. I guess it shouldn't be surprising, except that you'd think Food Network could do a better job of investigating the social media/online history of their contestants?

                      1. re: coney with everything

                        Okay, given that these are true, why doesn't Food Network have a crew to look all this up BEFORE the show??? They've been burned enough w/ Paula Deen, Robert Irvine, Adam Richman.

                        1. re: chowser

                          FN probably doesn't want to spend the extra money.

                          Susie's hair extensions aren't cheap.

                          1. re: BubblyOne

                            Or maybe this was what Bob meant at the end when he told Lenny, "We have a lot to talk about."

                            If everyone with skeletons in their closet was banned from show business we'd be playing with sock puppets in our backyards for entertainment.

                          2. re: chowser

                            And don't forget Giada. However, all of the stuff about her is just rumor.

                            1. re: littlestevie

                              Guy Fieri also has a lot of fairly negative rumors around him - however in both cases it isn't this well documented social media record where there's any kind of deniability. It's also not the case of one stray tweet, interview, video where you can say "this was a horrible lapse in judgment/I'm going to rehab/oops".

                            2. re: chowser

                              The hell of it is, chowser, that it wouldn't even take a "crew" to find this stuff. Your basic $15 an hour intern with rudimentary Google skills would have found this stuff within an hour, IMO.

                              If I were FN, I'd have a fleet of lawyers vetting anyone who I even THINK would be on a show.

                            3. re: coney with everything

                              While it's true you could dig up dirt on almost anyone, I wonder if FN will take that risk and put him on the air. I'm surprised they didn't vet him better.

                              I could see them looking the other way if it was an isolated incident. But, the breadth of his online "candor" may be too much to ignore.

                              1. re: coney with everything

                                Wow. I'm also shocked FN didn't vet them all, or at least the top 10. Just another case of the "POV" being a contrived game. So much for all of that oh shucks, ma'm stuff.

                                1. re: coney with everything

                                  Woa.....that's a huge vetting oversight.

                                  Just the extensive level of vulgarity and FN's strong family friendly branding, it'd be hard to imagine how that could be rehabbed.

                                  If FNS didn't just commit a major vetting woops - here are my cynical thoughts:
                                  1 - they wanted to keep FNS but not actually produce a show and this gave them an easy out for not giving the "winner" a show.
                                  2 - they assumed that as the shows of the winners haven't done so well overall, that either controversy might gain more viewers or that general interest of the winner's show is just so low it doesn't matter.
                                  3 - Lenny's existing fan base was/is already so large that it just didn't matter and he was always going to win. I mean, personally I find the Pioneer Woman dreadful on television and her recipes *yawn* - but she clearly had a huge existing audience prior to the show and has kept/grown that audience.

                                  1. re: cresyd

                                    Remember there was one finalist/winner who was let go because he lied on his resume or something??
                                    Then Amy got a show.

                                    1. re: cresyd

                                      tend to think it was number 1.

                                      So what is his skeleton in the closet?

                                      1. re: DGresh

                                        Wasn't there someone named Jag? I think he lied about his background, including his military service?


                                    2. re: coney with everything

                                      Any direct link to this activity? I'm curious....

                                        1. re: cresyd

                                          What an incredibly interesting website. The best thing to come out of this fiasco. After watching - er fast-forwarding - through the finale that was a total waste of airspace, at least there's this.

                                          But why is most of article blanked out like the CIA got ahold of it and it's some security risk?

                                          1. re: chicgail

                                            You have to click through a pop-up survey to see the content.

                                            1. re: sockii

                                              Can anyone give a brief summary of the Lenny controversy?
                                              I'm not going to take a survey to see redacted content.

                                              1. re: monavano

                                                I just skimmed it. A lot of very vulgar sexual talk, and talking about f'ing (assaulting) a current FN star in an extremely crude way.

                                                1. re: DGresh

                                                  Whoa- is this Lenny posting on a website or his own website?

                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                    the videos have been taken down ..but the one found worst was the one where he was cutting a brisket and compares it to a juicy wet sexual part of woman...

                                                    1. re: girloftheworld

                                                      I'm sorry for all the questions, but is this video Lenny shot himself... what's the context?
                                                      Gross, in any case.


                                                      1. re: monavano


                                                        <<Here is a rundown of some of the comments, videos, and controversial things that Lenny has posted on the internet in the past:

                                                        WARNING - A lot of bad language below and NSFW videos due to language.

                                                        Lenny had a video on his Youtube page that was recently taken down as so many people were talking about how crude it was. He was cursing while cutting brisket, and the video included words such as the big C word.
                                                        Lenny posts as ChuckWagonCook on the Ron and Fez forums, and when he announced he was going to be on Food Network Star, he posted a teaser saying:
                                                        Without everyone out here...I would never of been out...............here?

                                                        As you know (or might not)...I was on Guy's Grocery Games this last year. Episode entitled "The Ol Switch-a-Roo" I ended up losing due to my undercooked lamb.

                                                        But that's not the point. Albeit it is a good point. At least for this thread....but still not the point.

                                                        The point I am getting at is this.

                                                        Years ago when I was phoning in to the Ron and Fez Show I knew that i had a certain "sticky" factor. (yes...like cum)...and I knew that stardom was in my future. I'm not trying to be arrogant or pompous...I just felt it.....just felt it.

                                                        Well.....here you go you cock sucking, faggot sticking, pussy licking, ass dragging, mouth breathing, knuckle draggin, keyboard jizzing, assholes......(my fans). That's means both of you.

                                                        I will be on Food Networks new season of.........
                                                        wait for it.......
                                                        So now I have a REALLY BIG ANNOUNCEMENT for everyone......
                                                        Someone commented, "He's taking over The Pioneer Woman show from the fake cowgirl Ree Drummond," and Lenny responded to that with:
                                                        "I'd fuck her...IN THE ASS!!!!!! that's right...I said it!!!"
                                                        When someone pointed out a typo to him, Lenny responded, "Thanks Andrew....and BTW typo is actually my middle name. Leonard Typo McNab. It's a black thing."
                                                        His profile one of the Ron and Fez forums says "I'm a fat fuck", and he has over 6000 posts if you want to root through them (You only need a valid email address to join). Here is a season long thread of people on the forums rooting for Lenny.

                                                        Lenny also has a Photobucket account under the name chuckwagoncook_2008 with odd and random videos>>

                                                        1. re: foodieX2

                                                          Thank you.

                                                          Now I know why Lenny creeps me out.

                                                          This is the best FN could do?

                                                          It's time to fold up the tent and go home, in that case.

                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                            It's just so extensive. Not wanting to open the can of worms over whether or not Adam Richman should have been fired - but his incident was basically all around one situation and while I think he could have/should have shown better judgment, it was just one incident. This is just a lot.

                                                            1. re: cresyd

                                                              I agree- this creepiness was a known quantity going in.
                                                              I can't believe no one caught this.

                                                              As I said before, there was a winner, or almost winner, who I believe was in the U.S. service, who lied about his resume.
                                                              The FN execs thought that was enough to disqualify him, and Amy got her show until she quit.

                                                              I'd rather have seen Baby Jane win than Lenny, especially after this revelation.

                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                Jag was a fan favourite and then in the middle of the show he "resigned" when his exaggerated military service was brought to light at that point Amy who had been "sent home" was brought back. Amy ended up winning she quit to go live in France.

                                                                1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                  Thank you for filling in the gaps for me!

                                                        2. re: monavano

                                                          he is in what looks like an apartment kitchen with hipster glasses on and this big smoked brisket on the counter he has a friend there who is doing the filming and he is describing the brisket...with no cowboy accent i might add... to this camera person it is litterallllllly food porn. it was called "Lenny cutting the brisket"

                                                          1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                            silly me! I thought I was looking at a cooking video..who knew it was going to end up being a sexually explicit lewd brisket fetish display!

                                            1. re: happybaker

                                              This link explains a lot about this guy. I did not really like his act the few timesI watched this show. After learning about his behavior, I doubt he will ever get a show on FN.


                                                1. re: happybaker

                                                  My mother had dementia in her last years. She said 'ucky poo'.

                                                  I will now say that to my kids and they smile when remembering their grandmother.

                                          2. Luca was definitely easy on the eyes... but might have ended up another risotto/ricotta show??

                                            Lenny's got those CRAZY eyes... picturing Buffalo Bob Smith in the kitchen with Howdy Doody as his sous chef.

                                            Either way the show will probably air at 8am on a Tuesday morning, or something like that.

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                                            1. re: kseiverd

                                              I think Luca has a wider range than that. He made branzino for his last challenge. It really doesn't matter who wins. Food Network has given shows to non-winners like the sandwich guy (did he actually win? maybe he did and I can't remember anymore), Kelsey. And being a winner doesn't mean anything either. Other than Guy and Melissa, who else is on TV?

                                              LOL, Lenny does look deranged. He would do well w/ a crazy puppet sidekick.

                                              1. re: chowser

                                                Jeff Mauro (Sandwich King) did win his seasons. He's one of the few winners of past years I actually like and will on occasion watch.

                                                1. re: sockii

                                                  I'll watch Demaris Phillips sometimes. She toned down some from her NFNS days, and I find her reasonably interesting. Even taught this native Kentuckian a bit about my own state.

                                                  1. re: pine time

                                                    I like both Damaris and Jeff. They have just a bit of self-acknowledged goofball about them, but also come off as sincere.

                                                    Crazyeyes Cowboy Lenny comes off as if he just wants to be famous. Any kind of fame will do.

                                                    1. re: MplsM ary

                                                      The thing that has impressed me most about Jeff is he came into the competition with a fully-formed idea for a show and is still doing it. Try as I might, I can't watch him though. He seems like a nice enough guy and, yes, sincere, but I find him to be more immature and juvenile than goofy.

                                                      Strongly disliked Damaris during her season. Haven't watched her even once. I actually do like watching Melissa D'arabian once in awhile. I usually do pick up a tip or two. I find Aaron McCargo Jr. so very awkward. Is he still around? Don't watch him. I feel the same about Aarti as I do about Damaris, although, I am always very curious about her recipes. They shuttled her off to cooking channel for awhile. I'm not sure what she's doing now.


                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                        I did not care for Damaris at all but I was flipping channels and there she was, teaching her uncle to cook lamb. She was charming, and imparted useful information.

                                                        I remember Susie and Bob asking Jeff if he could really do a show all about sandwiches. Everybody questioned him on this. "Have a point of view" is what they yell at everyone. Show up with a point of view and "it's too narrow." It took me that long to hate FNS.

                                                        I watch The Kitchen. I like it, and Jeff is a good fit for that group. Now they've all calmed down a little (Sunny finally stopped yelling (she's at least yelling less often), Katie seems to have gotten a voice coach, and Geoffrey and Marcela were always fine as they were). Jeff seems to be the goofy brother to them all, and sometimes it works. Sometime I fast-forward to the drinks recipes.

                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                          I saw Jeff on the Kitchen in passing. He was funny and held his own among the others including Geoffrey Zakarian. I like that he's unassuming and not afraid to be enthusiastic.

                                                          I haven't seen Demaris, other than as a mentor but she seemed good.

                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                            I happened across Demaris giving tips on making popcorn (I know, not rocket science) but she gave some ideas I hadn't heard before on how to do it the old-fashioned way without burning it. (I use an air popper)

                                                            1. re: DGresh

                                                              i made her chocolate pots using mayo due to having a ton of mayonnaise leftover from another project... and they were good.

                                                          2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                            I think they've all been cancelled except Damaris at this point. I haven't seen or heard anything about a new season of Sandwich King in quite awhile.

                                                            1. re: Njchicaa

                                                              Interesting. Even Melissa has been canceled?


                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                I was under the impression that Melissa and Aarti both still have shows on the Cooking Channel - but I could be very wrong.

                                                                1. re: cresyd

                                                                  I actually watch Melissa's 10dollar dinners every now and then.. and get some good jumping off points

                                                                  1. re: cresyd

                                                                    There was some show about losing 5 pounds or something that both Melissa and Aarti were supposedly on. I never watched it on CC so I don't know if it is still on or not.

                                                                  2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                    It's been cancelled for a couple of years now though re-runs show up in the early afternoon lineup sometimes.

                                                                    1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                      So, I fell down an internet rabbit hole last night. I was searching for something about Jean Anderson which led me to something about Sara Moulton which led me to an update about Melissa D'Arabian.

                                                                      Apparently, her $10 dinners and her Lose 5 lbs shows have both been canceled. Starting last fall she did a web series for foodnetwork.com called "The Picky Eater Project" which seemed to be coupled with some blogging for them, too. She's got another book coming out in December ("Supermarket Healthy"). And, there's the major BRAVA! moment: she's just started writing an AP column, taking over Healthy Plate from Sara Moulton! http://www.ap.org/Content/Press-Relea... (Sara, for those of you who follow her, is taking on a new column called KitchenWise.)

                                                                      She's got a web page and Twitter and Facebook for those of you who are really interested in catching up in detail. http://www.melissadarabian.net/


                                                                  3. re: Njchicaa

                                                                    Sandwich King wasn't cancelled and actually was nominated for a daytime Emmy (he lost to Bobby).

                                                                    I'm not sure how many episodes are considered a season, but there were new ones recently.

                                                                  4. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                    I wish Melissa D'Arabian would pronounce her OWN NAME correctly.

                                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                                        I've never noticed! How does she pronounce it?


                                                                        1. re: sandylc

                                                                          She probably pronounces it the same way her husband's family does.

                                                                          1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                            You know, there's been a lot of talk on Chowhound about Americanizing the pronunciation of words from other languages. I can see the arguments on both side for the name of a food. But I would think that a family NAME should be pronounced correctly, don't you?

                                                                            EDIT: I just had a terrible thought - you don't think that FN would Americanize the pronunciation of her name in order to continue talking down to their audience, do you?

                                                                            1. re: sandylc

                                                                              The family NAME should be pronounced as the family wants it, not how some language geek thinks it should. My family name was Americanized when it passed through Ellis Island, though more in spelling than pronunciation. But I'm not going revert to the original Danish in the name of 'authenticity'.

                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                Agree- I'm not going to tell Melissa how to pronounce her own name. If her husband says it that way, then wth?

                                                                                I grew up with an "ethnic" surname and it probably would be pronounced differently in its country of origin.
                                                                                If anyone asked me why I didn't say it a certain way I'd have laughed at them.

                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                  Yup, PaulJ, I'm a language geek and have finally learned to agree with you. It's taken me that long to accept the US pronunciation of Des Moines. I try my hardest to be less judgemental.

                                                                                  1. re: Chatsworth

                                                                                    Yeah, sigh...good point. And I currently live in the land of "nick-lit" for Nicollet.

                                                                                    I'll keep it to myself on names.

                                                                                    But I'm still going to fight the "chipoltay", "vinegarette", and "nucular" battles. ;-)

                                                                                    1. re: sandylc

                                                                                      By all means keep fighting the good fight and add EXpresso to your list please.

                                                                                    2. re: Chatsworth

                                                                                      Then you may want to take some time before going to Versailles, OH.

                                                                                      While US town name pronunciations still can give me giggles - family names I agree go with the family pronunciation. When I lived in Israel, the Hebrew spelling of my Americanized German surname (Bowman) reverted to a more German/Israeli pronunciation (think more like Bauman). After correcting people a few times, it was just a case of "forget it - in Hebrew, this is it". Were I to have lived/had children in Israel - that would have been how they would be raised pronouncing it.

                                                                                      1. re: cresyd

                                                                                        Oh, my, I just remembered about Vienna, Illinois. Pronounced there as, "VY-enna."

                                                                                        1. re: sandylc

                                                                                          I used to think of Bagota, NJ as one of those badly pronounced American town names - until I learned that the name had nothing to do with the South American capitol.

                                                                                      2. re: Chatsworth

                                                                                        OK, I give. How should "Des Moines" be pronounced? Is it the same in Washington as in Iowa? Or France?

                                                                                        1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                          Well, coming from Europe, I've always wanted to pronounce it the French way. Not so much!

                                                                                          1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                            I think the Iowa one does not pronounce the final 's', while the Washington one does. Neither pronounces the first 's'.

                                                                                            1. re: Chatsworth

                                                                                              ok, guess the american pronounciation of Pend O'reille (Idaho). the apostrophe is optional :-))

                                                                                            2. re: paulj

                                                                                              You're absolutely right. It's their right. And it's my right to be (now quietly) irritated.

                                                                                              The whole D' thing just niggles at me, though. Why would one say the name of the letter rather than the sound of letter "D" here? Is this another one of those East Coast Italian-American pronunciation oddities, like "mootzarell"?

                                                                                              OK, that's my rant for the month. Over.


                                                                                2. re: sockii

                                                                                  And he's on "The Kitchen", right?

                                                                                  1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                    Yes, Sandwich Guy is on The Kitchen with Sunny Anderson and Marcella Valladoilid (??) both of whose shows have also been cancelled. FN has really cleaned house. Even Aunt Sandy is without a show these days.

                                                                                    1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                      To make room for more Bobby Flay competition shows? At least he has the cooking chops.


                                                                                      1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                        Primetime competitions and daytime cooking shows do not compete with each other. They occupy different slots and appeal to different markets.

                                                                                        I haven't looked at it closely, but I think cooking shows normally have a shorter run than competitions, even if the premise and execution is good. It is harder to maintain a freshness and variety when one person carries most of the load (at least in front of the camera).

                                                                                        Today's schedule is heavy with Giada, Contessa and PW - but I also see Claire, Sandra, Melissa, Anne, and Rachael. And right on the edge of primetime, last year's FNS.

                                                                              2. Not a huge surprise- it seemed like it was always Lenny's to lose. The Guy Fieri Network certainly isn't adverse to schtick. At least I'm in Canada, so if he does get a show we probably won't see it.

                                                                                  1. I guess they care more about if they are a character not if they have character. The idea that they can "welcome, somebody "into the family" who said he wanted to sexually assault one of the members is mind blowing to me... set aside the fact he compares meat to female body parts in the crudest terms and has a filthy mouth in general. ...

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                                                                                    1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                      Wow, not that I'm surprised that his toe-kicking, cod-piece-belt-buckle wearing ,buffoon of a cowboy caricature was ever sincere to begin with.

                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                        To think someone like Sara Moulton was canned because she was too old and replaced by trash like this is pretty sad.

                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                        Howling...thank you, John E. !

                                                                                        So, if they [deservedly] kick Lenny to the curb, who gets the show??

                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                          They need Food Network Star All-stars or Redemption season. Let's have Debbie back! I'd take her over almost any of this season's contestants!


                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                            "Is anyone else here aware that Debbie is Korean?"

                                                                                            hahahhahahha I literally laughed out loud

                                                                                          2. I wonder if NFNS is like the old Miss America disclaimer: if Miss American, for some reason, is unable to fulfill her duties (or, we find she's not who she says she is) the runner up becomes the winner.

                                                                                            Go, Luca.

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                                                                                            1. re: pine time

                                                                                              I think Luca will appear as a guest on shows but truthfully, he is the other end of the spectrum from Cowboy Blowhard - sad to say he is duller than dull. I know... he has some good information but if I wanted to watch an Italian I could barely understand then my vote's for Giada, I mean Fabio Viviani (not NFS, but whatever).

                                                                                              Seems to me NFS isn't really about finding a Food Network Star. Based on past winners, it's a competition show that gets ratings without having to actually air any shows from said winner.

                                                                                              1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                Extra Virgin is kind of fun for Italian

                                                                                                1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                  I really enjoy EV. Debi Mazar just seems like an old high school pal to me.
                                                                                                  I get her.
                                                                                                  My DH is Italian, but unfortunately, a guy from NJ, not a Tuscan farmer ;-)

                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                    I enjoy the show too, at least the episodes that actually take place in Italy. It reminds me a lot of my family history (my mom was an American woman who fell in love with a sexy Tuscan!) The dishes Gabriele makes really resonate with me and so does the culture clash.

                                                                                                    (I ended up with a partner who's Italian Jersey, too! Though we get into culinary disputes because his family all cook Southern Italian-American style.)

                                                                                                2. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                  FNS definitely poses FN with a problem of being a very popular show built around a faulty premise. So while the show is entertaining to watch, the actual thought of "do I want to see that person's show" doesn't seem real anymore. For me, after Justin's show never appeared, that was the real moment that killed it for me. Not that I had super high hopes for his show - but hoped FN could be creative beyond a very rigid stand and stir show for the winner.

                                                                                                  They could make the show more realistic for next season, the winner could get a guest residency on The Kitchen or something like that. But as long as people still watch this format, I doubt they'll change anything.

                                                                                                  If anything, The Great Food Truck Race has proven to be a far more genuine competition in terms of the winners actually developing/growing businesses based on their show premise.

                                                                                                  1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                    You could find similar observations for FNS going back 3 or 4 more years. The ratings for the competition itself are more important than the ratings of the cooking show that comes after.

                                                                                                3. I am waiting with baited breath to see how FN plays out this one. Will Luca get his own show? Or Nicole? I can't see Uncle Bobbie and Auntie Susie green lighting this project after everything that's been discovered online.

                                                                                                  And agree, they really should have vetted the contestants a bit better and not gone just for the bottom line.

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                                                                                                  1. re: rocks67

                                                                                                    it kind of floors me... because when I was up for Rachel VsGuy kids cook off .. and made it through to the final round of 100 I was grilled I had to list alllllll my screen names every website...all forms I participated in or had posted it..twitter accounts..everrrrrrrrrything....sign a thing saying "to the best of my knowledge this represents all my on line presence"

                                                                                                    1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                      Whatzisname probably signed the same thing. On top of all his other charming qualities, he seems to be a liar, too.

                                                                                                      1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                        Heh. This is why it's probably a good thing I never make it past the first few rounds of MasterChef screening myself.

                                                                                                        (Not that I'm a racist sexist jerk like Lenny, but I'm sure
                                                                                                        there's stuff in my internet past going back 20+ years now I know is out there, but don't need to see raked over the coals.)

                                                                                                        1. re: sockii

                                                                                                          "past going back 20+ years now "
                                                                                                          that is a lot different then something posted in April about your upcoming opportunity about a potential future co worker.

                                                                                                    2. FN gets what they deserve when they go for drama and "stories" and POVs rather than real people with cooking talent.

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                                                                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                        I would say it's what Food Network goes after, not what they "deserve". They don't want good cooks. They want personalities who can sell.

                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                          They deserve it because that's what they go after. They get what they ask for.

                                                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                                                            Seems that many CHers also focus on the personalities. Re TDQ's summary earlier today:

                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                              It's hard to overlook the extreme personalities if the cooking chops aren't super strong.


                                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                Noticing personality and watching a cooking show solely for personality are two different things.

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                                                                                                            FNS definitely poses FN with a problem of being a very popular show built around a faulty premise. So while the show is entertaining to watch, the actual thought of "do I want to see that person's show" doesn't seem real anymore.


                                                                                                            You nailed it.

                                                                                                            I think the first few seasons worked for teh origninal premise, but as teh seasons progresed, teh premise was intentially altered, or at least to me.

                                                                                                            Now it's a foodtv.com online popularity contest online vote vs judges and produers voting, with the odd thing being most of the winners end up with shows on Cooking Channel. Hmmm...

                                                                                                            I did see Cowboy Bob, as I called him, a male yang to the Pioneer Woman Ying, but the negative publicity and his off-stage antics may find him a tough sell.

                                                                                                            I watched the first two Episodes this season and never watched another. I just find nothing food related or cooking related I can take away from it any more. Same with Masterchef. All drama with little culinary knowledge to be gained.

                                                                                                            The old Iron Chef Episodes I have on the DVR (and even early ICA) get my cooking creative juices far more than most of what is now airing IMO.

                                                                                                            But hey,it's a known fact that viewers don't watch FN to learn about food itself or cooking, they just get all "Pavlovian" at that which is being cooked and all "Roman Citizen" when the "gladiators" are tossed into the cooking Colosseum and a fight to the death amongst themselves format.

                                                                                                            Fun for the whole family!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLZ.

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                                                                                                            1. re: jjjrfoodie

                                                                                                              I still cook Lisa Garza's french toast and casoullet that I learned on her season... I also have cowboy potatoes from Amy's season... and berry tarts from Melissa ... this season I am hard pressed to tell you any recipes.

                                                                                                              1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                GOTW, were these recipes from when the winners produced and aired thier own show post competition or form the (Next) Food Network Star competition itself?

                                                                                                                If from teh shows aired by winners AFTER winning the competition, then I tool have garnished some tricks and just a smidgen of knowledge or inspiration.

                                                                                                                It's the NFNS competition itself in it's current itteration that I find little interest in. If you actually garnished recipes from the competition challenges themselves, you are far better at pieceing recipes from cutaway aired footage than I.

                                                                                                                1. re: jjjrfoodie

                                                                                                                  they are from things that were cooked during the competition.The past shows use to show much more of the actual cooking. That is the point.

                                                                                                            2. Oh, good grief.

                                                                                                              I had DVR'd it just to see who won, because I knew I couldn't stand watching the entire finale and fast forwarded to the end. When that cowboy's face (with those crazed serial-killer eyes) appeared on the screen I shut it right off.

                                                                                                              The joke is on FN, based on the links provided in previous comments here. Wow, Lenny really is a sicko. (Hope he doesn't have a very large freezer out in the back shed.)

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                                                                                                              1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                he does..he gets brisket out of it and.....

                                                                                                                1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                  I dvr'd it too, and it would have just been painful to watch the whole, stupid thing.
                                                                                                                  I was shocked to see Lenny's mug.
                                                                                                                  Poor Luca, to come back, fight so hard, improve so much, and lose to that caricature of Howdy Doody, who thinks that he discovered coating meat with coffee.
                                                                                                                  Uh, Lenny, 1987 called and said, "yeah, I did that".
                                                                                                                  It's a joke.

                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                    Tim Love and Grady Spears called ---they want a cease and desist on the use of chuckwagon or cowboy associated with this man

                                                                                                                    disclaimer: I am not actually speaking for chef love or chef spears

                                                                                                                  1. Seriously, If I were PW's "Marlboro Man", I'd kick Lenny where the sun don't shine for saying he'd f*ck his wife... in the ass.
                                                                                                                    What a pos.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                      And then he was so proud of himself for it that he jeered about it. At least the PW's husband is a real cowboy, not the jester.

                                                                                                                    2. I started watching the finale, then remembered how boring they are so I switched the channel figuring I'd just watch the last 5 minutes. Needless to say I got distracted... so.
                                                                                                                      not that I was really rooting for anyone, but in light of the posts below... which indicate some really disgusting behavior... um. durn. ;)

                                                                                                                      1. Agreed. And that , in a nutshell, is the problem with Food Network. The "people" voted and spoke. Whoever these people are, the are dictating the crap we are seeing on this station. How about professionals judging?

                                                                                                                        1. Just read about his internet stuff. I really thing they should take back the win. Unless they'd like to change the name of their network.

                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                              Am I missing something? I see Guy and Justin but not Lenny.

                                                                                                                              1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                the second posted link takes you to the complete article...weird thing about the "lenny thing" it is like this show I watched where this military plane crashed where it wasn't suppose to be and this team was dropped in secretly and within 20 minutes they had the whole plane transformed so that no trace of anything military was left...suddenly "a civilian plane crashed killing two male passengers"--- Welllll the blog on FN websight where we all talked about it is gone... the videos are gone.. somebody said the Ron and Fez blogs have been scrubed..

                                                                                                                                1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                  a couple of paragraphs beyond Justin

                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                    Thanks, you two, I just didn't follow the link. I did find the video of Lenny and how wish I hadn't. On Lenny's part, if you're going to go on a show like this, why not delete any video/message board posts BEFORE you win??? And, Food Network, vet, vet and vet again. Lenny is as crazed as his eyes make him appear.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                      I think Lenny should have won the Next Pro Wrestling Star.
                                                                                                                                      He could go with a rip-away apron.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                        LOl, perfect. That comment he made about showing his pale flesh or whatever for the belly flop--can you imagine if a woman that size did the same thing and made the same comment? People would be all over that when you think they get up in arms that an overweight woman with a cooking show might make <<gasp>> meatloaf.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                          ya-- "america just needed to see my creamy white flesh" great answer to a teen boy--- let your creepy creep out... you saw the dis comfort oozz out the kids neck... it waas bad enough the producers thought lets find a kid to ask a lenny question to make him appear family friendly

                                                                                                                              2. He's crude and childish. Done.

                                                                                                                                1. I wonder if Ree Drummond knows what he said. Surely her popularity on the FN (deserved or not) gives her some clout at the network.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: pine time

                                                                                                                                    I mused about this somewhere around here.
                                                                                                                                    I find what he said about her to be disturbing and I'd let FN know that I wouldn't show up in the same zip code as Lenny, at any time.
                                                                                                                                    If I was her husband, Lenny would be skating on some very, very, very thin manure.

                                                                                                                                  2. Were people voting ironically, or is this guy really what America wants to see?

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                                                                                                                                    1. Not to beat a dead horse (or "cowboy" for that matter), but has anyone noticed no word of Lenny's new show?

                                                                                                                                      Once upon a time, the network would air the winner's show the following day. Nothing for Lenny.

                                                                                                                                      If i was Auntie Susie and Uncle Bobby, I would take one GIANT step back from this disaster and come up with an golden parachute for this clown. They can't really think about investing time and energy into this schmuck. And I know I'm still talking about it, just like so many others, but I think its more out of rage than anything else.

                                                                                                                                      Then again, being in the ad biz, I know that ANY buzz is buzz nonetheless. Maybe that's what they were shooting for. That and the almighty advertising dollar.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: rocks67

                                                                                                                                        They didn't have Justin's cooking show ready right after FNS was done. I don't recall how soon Damaris (sp?) appeared.

                                                                                                                                        If the viewer voting was real, they didn't know who the winner was until the last episode. Without any such voting, they would have known 3 months ago when most of the episodes were taped.

                                                                                                                                        For prime time FN is focusing on the next competition - food trucks

                                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                          Also, if he had won - based on the producers and not the audience - they would have had several shows in the can most likely. The news about his past is probably a mixed blessing, as now they can "delay" production (or whatever they do) and let him ride his arse into oblivion.

                                                                                                                                          Or, since he doesn't seem to have a problem with being an online personality (okay, jerk) maybe he can get his own website/network like Paula Deen.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                            It wouldn't cost FN much to give him a season (as promised) and air it Sunday mornings (as usual). If he makes waves, they can leave it at one 'season'. But if that audience swoons over him, then they'll be justified in using him more - regardless of that other baggage.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                              If they are trying to keep their key demographic of Women 25-54 years old, airing a misogynistic loon with crazy eyes is probably not in their best interest. If not, then goodbye all Scripps channels for this woman.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                                                                Exactly. Let's be honest here, I can't for one second, think that this guy is geared towards my demographic: I have lots of disposable income (retirement) and do drive a decent car. Extended family spends summer vacations beachfront on the East coast.

                                                                                                                                                This man is pathetic! I would not want him to meet my daughter if FN gave me a free pass.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                                  Where were you guys (gals?) when it came time to vote among the final three? Weren't you rooting for Luca? :)

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                    Honestly, Paul, I didn't vote. I truly thought that the producers would have full say on the outcome and the "voting" was just a gimmick. Also, I wouldn't be inclined to vote anyway, I just don't get into it that much. (Again, thinking that it's all a set up anyway.) I didn't watch the whole season and only caught bits. But, I will say that the reason I didn't watch the whole season is because I can't believe they let someone like Lenny compete at all. That was my shark moment.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                      I remembered once. He would have had a nice show. I wouldn't have cared what I learned!

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: breadchick

                                                                                                                                                      Honestly, even without his checkered past, I would not watch that show. Now I certainly wouldn't.

                                                                                                                                                    3. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                                                                      I agree in principle, but how do you do that? Cancel cable when the channels are included in the package (at least with my provider).

                                                                                                                                                      Or just not watch, but still pay?

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: BubblyOne

                                                                                                                                                        I checked the Scripps Network page before I posted that to make sure I could stand by my post. Can't seem to copy from there so I'll use Wikipedia: "In addition to HGTV, its lifestyle media brands include Food Network, DIY Network, Cooking Channel, Travel Channel, Great American Country and ulive"

                                                                                                                                                        Though I would miss a few shows, thanks to Chowhound info I have a whole bunch of other things to watch.

                                                                                                                                                        I'll still pay for basic+ cable (though I'm in one of the spinoff NewCo markets for Comcast so I have no idea what will be available to me when that happens).

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                                                                          In my area, the basic+ includes FN and HGTV- which was why I asked.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                                                                            You going to give HGTV credit for dumping the Benham brothers?

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                              I think there's a difference between espousing so-called christian beliefs and spouting crap to shine a spotlight on one's overweening ego.

                                                                                                                                                              Scripps stepped in it again if the Benhem brothers are to be believed that they had conversations about their anti-gay marriage rhetoric and anti-choice protests and everything was fine until somebody found out and shared that information. At least in this case it was before anything aired. Lenny should never have made it to NFNS.

                                                                                                                                                              I am available (cheap!) to dig for dirt on any reality contestant. Scripps, I await your email.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                                                                                As the Gawker family has now picked up this story - it's hard to not see Lenny getting attention similar to Adam Richman did if his show was to go forward.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                                                                                  I guess if Adam Richman could survive telling someone to off themselves, maybe Lenny can skate by the vile comment about anally violating the Pioneer Woman.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                        i'm picturing this year's FN Thanksgiving special with Ree Drummond and Lenny circling each other behind the scenes........

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                                                                                          I actually would watch that :)

                                                                                                                                                          Not a fan of Ree myself, but I'll take up for any woman who has someone thinking that sexual abuse directed against them personally is a funny thing. Hell, I felt sorry for Amy of Kitchen Nightmares when she talked about the comments of that nature that were made about her (when she appeared on Dr. Phil), and she's loathesome.

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: rocks67

                                                                                                                                                    "Once upon a time, the network would air the winner's show the following day. Nothing for Lenny."

                                                                                                                                                    That was before they added the "audience decides" part of the series. Obviously, with the winner supposedly determined by viewer votes in recent years, they aren't going to shoot a real pilot until after the vote is complete. (If you believe the audience votes actually count, which I'm not sure I do.)

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sockii

                                                                                                                                                      It seems to me that all of these shows where viewers "vote" have the caveat that producers have the last say.
                                                                                                                                                      In other words, thanks for voting (uh, taking the bait and watching our show because you believed you needed to be informed), bless your heart.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sockii

                                                                                                                                                        I understand the change when the viewers "decided" who the winner was. However, there seemed to be a lot more fan-fare when Demaris and even Justin won. You have to hunt for Lenny on their awful site.

                                                                                                                                                        No matter. I won't watch that train wreck.

                                                                                                                                                    2. Luca will end up with his own show and do well I am sure.

                                                                                                                                                      Cowboy? he will fade into obscurity most likely or get a reality show.

                                                                                                                                                      1. I watched the whole thing. I did enjoy it, there are soooo many fake shows on T.v. now, I believe this was real!!! All I have to say its a real shame that our POLITICIANS are not gone over with a fine tooth comb like this chef has been. Just think about it folks!!!

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: donnam731

                                                                                                                                                            Not sure it was such a fine tooth comb. It was on the freaking internet for god's sake. And I think our politicians might disagree that they aren't treated the same.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DGresh

                                                                                                                                                              If anything they might agree that character, or the appearance of it, means nothing anymore.

                                                                                                                                                              And to be fair, it couldn't. We say we want certain standards of personal behavior but few who qualify would want to be a politician, or a tv star. And that's always been the case; we just know more about how the sausage is made these days.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: DGresh

                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, I've made the comment before that an intern with rudimentary Google skills could have found out about Lenny in less than 10 minutes. It wasn't exactly like breaking the Enigma code.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: coney with everything

                                                                                                                                                                  I agree- it's so amateur, and the stuff Lenny said was BAD. Plus, Lenny specifically targeted one of FN's most popular show hosts with a disgusting notion.
                                                                                                                                                                  Again, if I were Ree, I'd be particularly pissed that FN would have allowed Lenny to even compete, let alone win.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                    Actually what Lenny said--that he would have anal sex with Ree Drummond--was on the lesser-offensive range of what gets said to/about Ree or any woman on tv or the Internet on a daily basis. (He did not, as far as I know, say he would force such attention on her against her will, which makes his comment worlds above the comments most public women get.)

                                                                                                                                                                    It was stupid and gross, and what woman amongst us has not gone on working with stupid and gross guys? This idea that Lenny has no career in front of him because he has said stupid and gross things about women flies in the face of the careers of just about every guy in show business.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                                                      Which is a shame, isn't it? It's 2014 and women need to ignore comments about being anally penetrated by a disgusting, puffy, sweaty POS?

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                                                        In the grand scheme yes - the stuff said about women who are public figures on the internet really does drop to horrific depths. But I do think that the public nature about what he said about Ree does cross current lines about what is accepted.

                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not saying Lenny has no career. But I would be shocked if he has any career on the Food Network.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                                                                                          Agreed that Lenny's chances of getting a show on the same network as the woman he sexually harassed is pretty slim.
                                                                                                                                                                          Lenny didn't make some off hand quip under his breath, to a friend. He made this vile comment on the internet, proudly writing that "yes, I said it!".

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                                                          And you're implying that we should just accept such words and insults because it's "guys just being guys", or something like that?

                                                                                                                                                                          If women don't speak up more about the crap that gets said to us simply because of our gender, then change will never happen. Saying that just because it happens all the time, we should let it pass is just something I'm cool with. Sometimes it takes a few example cases for anyone to pay attention and realize "this is not OK".

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sockii

                                                                                                                                                                            I may have clicked "reply" on the wrong comment, because I could have sworn the one I was replying to accused Lenny of threatening something like "anal assault" or some sort of implied rape threat. That was what I meant to clarify.

                                                                                                                                                                            And I would agree with your comment except for the part where you think I was saying that any of it was ok, which is clearly not what I was saying at all. Did I not say "stupid and gross" enough times or something?

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                                                              I think that comment may have been in response to your line "It was stupid and gross, and what woman amongst us has not gone on working with stupid and gross guys?" - and a point that women should not have to go on working with such men.

                                                                                                                                                                              I would also add that I think someone blowing a snot rocket with the intention of hitting someone 'stupid and gross'. Actions I would describe as 'stupid and gross' I would shrug off in the workplace. And I don't shrug off sexual harassment.

                                                                                                                                                                              Personally, I would choose different words to describe sexual harassment. So the disagreement may be more vocabulary based than true sentiment based.

                                                                                                                                                                2. I am just curious, and I am not a labor law attorney by any means, but if the Food Network hired Lenny, wouldn't they be opening themselves to a major sexual harassment lawsuit from Ree? I get that he did not work for FN when he made his comments, but he has not really retracted them and so they are still out there. Or if he said something that was even slightly off-color, because of his history, he would be easy pickings for a good lawyer. I also get that that thgy probably would work for different production companies, but it is still under the FN umbrella. My guess is that this guy is way too toxic. Run FN, run.