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Colette - Thompson Hotel

Grabbed a quick lunch from the cafe today. Place looks great!

The tuna baguette is seriously delicious with olives, capers, egg slices and tomato. The baguette was much too chewy for such a sandwich though. There was no way to manage without the filling squishing out everywhere! A tweak is needed for this bread to be used for sandwiches.

The chocolate rye cookies on the other hand are absolutely perfect! The type of cookie I call a brownie cookie. Crisp shell, soft moist inside. This one is very chocolatey and delicate. An amazing cookie!

Excellent Americano too.

Great selection of pastries and breads. I can't wait to go back...tomorrow.

WOW! The competition in the neighbourhood is really heating up!

Don't hesitate kwass!! Bring your appetite!

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  1. I've been dying to try this place justsayn! I was going to go on Monday, but they were closed for the holiday. I'm going to go next week for sure and will definitely report back :)

    1. A baguette has chew, which is why the sandwich components are managed in terms of the bread (at least in France). If the bread is actually good (which is exceedingly rare in Toronto), then why would you want worse bread just to accommodate the sandwich fillings?

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      1. BTW justsayn, did you go back today?

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        1. re: kwass

          Yes of course! ;-)

          Another solid Americano. The chocolate rye cookies are cheaper in bags of 6 than they are singly so watch for that. The cookies were fresh yesterday and because sales are predictably slow, I wonder how long the cookies will sit?

          I bought a seeded sourdough and it was wonderfully dense and tasty. I liked that the seeds were throughout and not just baked on top.

          They didn't have sandwiches out yet when I went at 10:30.

          Lots of tasty looking treats kwass! And super friendly staff.

          1. re: justsayn

            Sounds great! Thanks justsayn! I'm really looking forward to checking it out!

            1. re: kwass

              It's so close to me I'm afraid to find out more! : P

        2. Had croissant on sat and it was better than the ones from Nadege. Also had the veggie and turkey baguettes and the bread was perfectly crispy and chewy. They use unpasteurized cheeses in some of the sandwiches which unfortunately is off limits for me right now but the veggie one was fine. At least they were able to tell me which was much appreciated! Can't wait to go back for lunch or supper!

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          1. re: cutehinano

            Somebody else told me that the croissants are better than Nadege. That's high praise!

            1. re: cutehinano

              I want to go every morning for a continental breakfast and the New York Times! A superior set up over Scarpetta.

              1. re: justsayn

                You're too funny justsayn! Can you tell me a little more about some of the other pastries they have?

                1. re: kwass

                  So much and I didn't want to tempt myself, but I noticed the following.

                  Let's see...chocolate chip brownie squares, macarons, granola by the bag, fresh plums, delicious looking quiche - 3 types, savoury tartlettes, awesome looking profiteroles and puff pastry type stuff. There were those fruit n cream individual round dessert cakes. I think I saw mini madeleines.

                  The croissants looked properly sized and promisingly authentic. As well I noticed chocolate croissants.

                  1. re: justsayn

                    Enough said! I'm all over it ;)

                    1. re: kwass

                      I think we could start a pastry jog thru king/queen west!

                      1. re: justsayn

                        That sounds like the perfect day :)

              2. re: cutehinano

                My French stick wasn't crisp so that already sounds like an improvement. Plus it sounds like you had the proper chew for great bread! Can't wait to try the tuna again!

              3. Went back today for the tuna since seeing cutehinano's comment and the bread was indeed much better than my first experience. Crackly crust, but not too much where the crust separates or flies like shrapnel everywhere, and just the right chew to highlight the fresh bread.

                Love the salty briny sandwich as it isn't overkill even with the fish, olives and capers!

                Some different tarts on display today kwass and I noticed that the cookie bags were re-stocked. Correction from earlier; 4 in a bag, not 6.

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                1. re: justsayn

                  I wonder how often they add new pastries? Is it the type of place you have to go to every few days to see what's new?

                  1. re: Sadistick

                    Can I sit down and enjoy the Americano and croissant? or it is a take-out place only?

                    1. re: ace123

                      You can eat there. Nice to sit outside too.

                      1. re: justsayn

                        Thanks.
                        I went for lunch in the restaurant and found it very enjoyable. Beautiful place, good service and nice food.
                        After lunch, I got an Americano and a dessert from the bakery too.

                        1. re: ace123

                          What was the dessert that you got?

                          1. re: kwass

                            It was the cherry and pistachio verbano (sp?,) like a mousse cake. It's very light, pretty good size for sharing.
                            The croissant was crispy layers on the outside, soft inside. Not very oily but still buttery. So good.
                            I also had the lemon sea-shell-shaped pastry. Pretty good too, but the sweetest of the 3.

                            Now it's a hard choice for me to make when I'm in the area, Bar Buca or Colette?

                            1. re: ace123

                              Sounds soooo good!! Can't wait to go tomorrow!

                              As for Bar Buca vs. Colette's, you probably can't go wrong with either! Bar Buca rocks!

                2. Has anyone actually eaten at the restaurant?

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                  1. re: pourboi

                    Yes: Ate there earlier this week. Restaurant is beautiful, our server was very polished, the food was delicious. Had the Fois Gras 3 Ways, Chevre Souffle Salad, Veal Tartare to start. Fois Gras was the favourite - particularly the mousse. Entrees were Lobster L'Americaine, Steak Frites, Shellfish Mariniere. All v good - I loved the shellfish - perfectly cooked. Small hiccup in the service (delay in our entrees) was handled with grace (extra pour of wine). I didn't sample the desserts but they looked terrific. All in all an excellent meal. Price (with a bottle of Cava, 2 bottles of red, 3 cocktails, after dinner drinks - yes it was a special occasion) with tax & tip was $630 for the four of us.

                    1. re: pourboi

                      My wife and I had dinner on Wednesday night. An excellent experience all around. Chèvre Souffle Salad and Veal Tartare to start. Shellfish Marniere and Duck two ways to follow, raspberry soufflé and rice pudding to finish. All excellent quality and beautifully presented. On reflection, the Shellfish owes more to its stunning presentation. Not all that much shellfish involved! The duck was superb, however: beautiful rare slices of breast, a nicely confited leg, sunchoke puree and ginger-marinated rhubarb stalk to accompany.

                      Service first rate throughout. Concerned and friendly and knowledgeable but not arch or overly eager. When I hesitated momentarily over the 15 minute wait on the soufflé, our waiter said "Well, if you were going to share, why don't I bring the rice pudding first while we make the soufflé?" A small stroke of brilliance but the kind of thing you remember.

                      The room is very pleasant, with a cheerful airy feel I'm going to love even more when the winter comes. A bright, attractive crowd of patrons, neither old fogy square, nor achingly hipsterish. Two apps, two mains, two desserts, two glasses of French white, a litre of sparkling, came to $180 before tip. And yes, I'd say it was worth it.

                      1. re: rsvp7777

                        I was thinking of trying either Colette or Le Select this week, having been to neither b4 what would everyone recommend?

                    2. So, I went this morning, and I want to start off by saying how lovely the space is and how nice the staff were.

                      Unfortunately, they were out of croissants...well not exactly out of them, but they didn't come out as big as they should have been, so they didn't put them out for sale. When I told the lady behind the counter that I didn't mind buying a croissant that was on the small side, she went out of her way to talk to the manager to see if she could sell me one. He said no, but she was still both very kind and very helpful. Looks like I'll have to go back to try their croissants, but I don't think that will be much of a hardship ;)

                      That said, I purchased a lemon scone, a chocolate chip brownie (not very French) and a lemon bichon.

                      I think I say this whenever I try the scones from someplace new, but this really was one if the best scones I've ever had! It was flaky in a way that scones usually aren't. It was truly outstanding!!

                      The chocolate chip brownie was more akin to a chocolate chip cookie but in a square, and thus has to be up there as one of the best chocolate chip "cookies" I've ever had! For those who love Le Gourmand' chocolate chop cookies, this tasted very similar, but even better!

                      And speaking of Le Gourmand, I must say that I prefer the lemon bichons from there over the ones from Colette. It was the only thing that I tried that I wasn't crazy about.

                      That said, overall the pastries were great and I can't wait to go back to try their croissants.

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                      1. re: kwass

                        And you must try the chocolate rye cookies! ;-)

                        I will try a scone this week. Thanks for the heads up!

                        1. re: justsayn

                          I'll definitely get a chocolate rye cookie when I go back for my croissant :)

                          I think that you're going to love the scone, justsayn! It's really wonderful!

                          1. re: kwass

                            I already took your advice (go figure) but they were sold out of scones for the day. They did have an anemic looking croissant on display so I can't even imagine how terrible the batch in the morning must have been!! I decided to break my one day sugar fast with their chocolate peanut butter popcorn thing-a-ma-jig. Peanut butter and chocolate, the perfect marriage! But this one didn't work for me. While the chantilly on top was fantastic (just short of being butter) and the chocolate ganache/cream inside was as refined as it was rich, and the crispy peanut butter base (upscale butterfinger bar) was satisfyingly peanut buttery, the item as a whole was just not cohesive. I really couldn't enjoy the sum of the delicious parts. Kind of like that sentence!

                            1. re: justsayn

                              All I can say is you're too funny justsayn! I love that you ran right out to get a scone! You don't F* around :)

                              1. re: kwass

                                The scone is legit for sure. Could use a boost of lemon but I loved it. Doesn't replace Drake for me nor does it replace THR&Co so now there are more choices.

                                Had the almond chocolate croissant and it is insane! Maybe needs a name all to itself as it is a unique piece of amazingness! You've never had one like this.

                                1. re: justsayn

                                  Hey justsayn. Glad that you liked the scone. I see where you think it could use a boost of lemon, but that's actually one of the things that I liked about it - that the lemon flavour was subtle, and not too overwhelming, as lemon sometimes is. And I agree with you that the Drake, hands down, makes the best scones in the city. I actually can't go a week without having one :). That said, Colette's scones are pretty darn good!

                                  I'm generally not a fan of chocolate croissants. What is different about this one and why is it so good?

                                  1. re: kwass

                                    Start with the almond chocolate croissant from clafouti and then intensify every part of that goodness.

                                    It's very hard to describe. I don't have the words. This is why I think it needs a new name. At least the way they came out today. The dough itself is like pie crust mixed with croissant and the filling runs out but melds and crisps with the dough in a way that goes beyond what Clafouti pulls off. Truth be told I have never seen a croissant look like this and trust me I've seen and eaten them all over the world. It may even have been an off batch....I will need to go back tomorrow to confirm. ;-)

                                    1. re: justsayn

                                      Ok. Let me know. Because if it's as good as you say it is, I'm going to get one on Sunday :)

                                      I haven't had the chocolate almond croissant from Clafouti, only the chocolate peanut butter banana croissant. Is there almond paste in the chocolate croissant from Colette's? Because I'm not a giant fan of almond paste.

                                      1. re: kwass

                                        There is almond paste and its very good and very present! I've grown to like it over the years but it's never my first choice. Because of how these looked I couldn't resist! So glad I didn't!

                                        1. re: justsayn

                                          I want to like almond paste, because almond croissants always look so yummy with the slivered almonds on top, and the powdered sugar, but I just cant acquire a taste for it. It's such a shame, because you made this croissant sound so yummy, and I really wanted to try it :(

                      2. I went back to Colette's today to see if I could get a butter croissant, and thankfully, they had them this time. Words cannot describe how good this croissant was. What am I saying? Of course they can :) The croissant was the most buttery croissant I've ever had. It definitely beats Nadege, which is pretty hard to do. It was wonderfully buttery and pillowy on the inside and perfectly crisp and buttery on the outside. Oh, and did I mention that it was buttery? Such a good croissant! I highly highly recommend it! The only thing wrong with this croissant is that it wasn't big enough ;)

                        And of course, you can't go there and buy just one thing, so I caved and got the chocolate croissant and the pain aux raisins. Before I bought it, I asked if it was a chocolate-almond croissant, but it wasn't. It was simply a chocolate croissant, although there was nothing simple about it. It had a great texture, again, was very buttery and was filled with a beautiful dark chocolate.

                        The pain aux raisins, was quite delicious as well, although I have to say that the ones from Pain Perdu are slightly better.

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                        1. re: kwass

                          Lol this thread is so awesome I'm going to Colette tomorrow!

                          1. re: kwass

                            There's a new item this week that looks amazing. It's a rectangular shaped blueberry danish. It looks to be more like a puff pastry than a "bready" dough and there is no drizzled icing. I was told that there will be more new items to follow.

                            1. re: justsayn

                              Wow! Sounds wonderful! I'm going on Sunday. Can't wait to check everything out!

                              1. re: justsayn

                                Just a P.S...I was there last Sunday and I think they had that blueberry danish. When I asked about it, I think the man said that it had frangipan in it, which unfortunately I hate. But I'll check again when I'm there this weekend,

                                1. re: kwass

                                  Yes. For me as well. That would ruin what could otherwise be a perfect fruit item. Less is more with great fruit!

                              2. re: kwass

                                yeah this thread is amazing i think i'm going to go back on the baked goods and buy a few of everything you have just described :)

                                1. re: dannyboy

                                  I'm so glad that everyone's enjoying this thread so much :)

                                  1. re: kwass

                                    You guys are crazy - and so am I because I'm making the trip this afternoon! Pretty excited...

                                    1. re: gembellina

                                      Can't wait to hear your thoughts :)

                                      1. re: kwass

                                        Honestly, I didn't love it. The almond croissant was tasty, but visibly oily underneath and really heavy. The peanut butter cookie sandwich was lovely and light. Cappuccino was a bit bitter.

                                        The space is very pretty but there was only one woman serving, and the dirty plates on the table next to me sat uncleared for the 45 mins I was there. There were also noticeable dried water marks on the marble tables which I found quite off-putting.

                                        I would definitely go for a drink on a sunny evening as it really is beautifully decorated.

                                        1. re: gembellina

                                          Since they've opened I've found the almond croissant, baguette and the espresso to be terribly inconsistent. I've given up on their Americano altogether because from visit to visit they range from quite good to not drinkable.

                                          I don't know the story behind the croissants but it seems they have different pastry chefs putting out completely different products. I really wonder what's going on and if it will ever settle down to something consistent.

                                          The good thing is that I can now tell if I want one just by looking at them.

                                          1. re: justsayn

                                            care to take a pic of both and share?

                                            - khao san road

                                            1. re: KhaoSanRoad

                                              Pic of both the good and the not so good? It's actually a range; that's the problem here. They are all over the place with them. I will take a pic of how I like them next time they appear that way. If you go back to my earlier post when I first tried them I mentioned something about how they were strange looking and perhaps even a mistake. Not a traditional croissant but more like a flaky crispy pastry. No airy light fluffy interior.

                              3. I went back to Colette's today. Each time I go, and it's been a few times now, I'm blown away by the quality of their pastries. I tried the raisin Danish today, for the second time, and I don't know what they've done to it since the last time I was there, but they've kicked it up a notch. It was ridiculously good, as it dripped in glaze. In an earlier post I said that Colette's raisin Danish wasn't as good as the ones from Pain Perdu...well, I totally take that back! Today's was outstanding!

                                I also got a new item on the menu. It was 2 oatmeal/peanut butter cookies with a banana cream sandwiched between them. If I had the time, I'd run back and get 6 more. The cookie was so soft and the peanut butter cream in the center was so creamy, and not too rich, where after one bite, you've had enough.

                                While I was there, I also asked about the blueberry Danishes, and they do have frangipan in them.

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                                1. re: kwass

                                  We had the blueberry Danish and it was amazing. They only had one pain aux raisin left so we didn't get to try it - it looked a bit weird. They also had ham and cheese croissant which looked amazing too. I love this place.

                                  1. re: cutehinano

                                    Could you taste the almond paste in the blueberry Danish?

                                    1. re: kwass

                                      I did not taste any almond. I thought it was more like a custard cream.

                                      1. re: cutehinano

                                        Mmmm...that's good to know! I might just have to try it then.

                                  2. re: kwass

                                    I had the version a couple of weeks ago which was plain oatmeal cookies with peanut butter cream and no bananas. It was also excellent. It was a softer oatmeal cookie than I prefer but I finished it off pretty quickly! I'm going to check for the banana version!! :-P

                                    1. re: justsayn

                                      Justsayn, I'm not sure what I was thinking yesterday when I wrote banana cream. It was probably the sugar rush clouding my head. It was a peanut butter cream, so it was the same as what you had. For me the cookie was also softer than what I would normally prefer, but the combination of everything together was sheer perfection :)

                                      1. re: kwass

                                        Ahhh too bad! It sounded good! Lol. It's all good. So many things I still need to try there!

                                  3. I went today for my weekly visit to Colette and it must have been my lucky day because they were giving out free samples :). They were providing samples of their Amaretti cookies and their mango coconut verrine. The mango coconut verrine was ridiculously good! I didn't want to be obnoxious by grabbing a 2nd sample, but boy did I want to.

                                    I had een this in the glass display on my previous visits, but It didn't appeal to me because I'm not a fan of coconut. Luckily for me, it had no discernible coconut taste. It was some sort of cream layered with mango, and some sort of cheesecake on the bottom. My God was it good! My description doesn't do it justice, but you have to try this the next time you go justsayn! Just say'n :)

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                                    1. re: kwass

                                      I sampled the cherry pistachio cake that way and it was also delicious. Love their baguette.

                                      Today I tried the cinnamon sugar cookies and while they aren't signature, they were quite excellent for a simple cookie!

                                      1. re: justsayn

                                        I forgot to mention that. I bought a cinnamon sugar cookie today and I loved it! Like you said, it was just a simple cookie, but they found a way to make it memorable!

                                        1. re: justsayn

                                          The only thing I haven't tried that I'd like to is the bread pudding. But I just can't justify spending $7 for something so little. Have you tried it justsayn?

                                          1. re: kwass

                                            You two are making me fat just reading about all of your eating at this place!!! Love it!

                                          1. re: smfan

                                            Unfortunately, no. I never take pics because somehow everything finds its way into my tummy before I get a chance :)

                                        2. Swung by the other day for a quick snack. Space is beautiful. Chocolate croissant was quite good, a bit dry, but among the better Toronto croissants. Americano was too dark, but I expected that.

                                          No conclusions, just another data point. Now to get around to actually eating there.

                                          1. They started a Sunday buffet brunch for $55. They had to roll me out.

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                                            1. re: justsayn

                                              I saw it this morning, but I didn't take a close look. From what I could see, it looked beautiful. What was on the buffet and do they have a menu in addition to the buffet?

                                              1. re: kwass

                                                We were at the buffet and it was outstanding. They had a great selection of hot food (roast beef, roast turkey, salmon Wellington, bacon, sausage, this amazing mushroom bread pudding, etc.), cold seafood (lobsters, shrimp salad, crab claws etc), charcuterie, imported French cheeses, salads, and a huge selection of desserts. They had macarons, croissants, cakes, beautiful dainty dessert cups, cookies etc. We had a wonderful experience and will definitely head back!

                                                1. re: cutehinano

                                                  Could you order off of a menu or was the food strictly from the buffet?

                                                  1. re: kwass

                                                    Right now it's buffet only and only Sunday. Soon they will have a brunch menu for both Saturday and Sunday.

                                                    They have a small brunch offering in the cafe but I wasn't too impressed as the servings looked tiny...or were they display only...I don't know.

                                                    1. re: justsayn

                                                      The buffet sounds wonderful, but I think I'm going to wait for the brunch menu.

                                                      1. re: kwass

                                                        It's a tough call. While the value is there, the buffet is definitely expensive for brunch and the selection can be overwhelming. I over indulged and regretted it all day. I will reserve it for special occasions.

                                                        I've also had two dinners there and the service has been excellent.

                                                        1. re: justsayn

                                                          The buffet really did look beautiful. I'm just not really a buffet person. That said, I would like to go for dinner one day, and when the brunch menu comes out, I will definitely go and try that.

                                                          1. re: kwass

                                                            Good choice! I'm really looking forward to seeing the menu!

                                                      2. re: justsayn

                                                        Even though the buffet was wondering I agree that it's more for special occasions, as it was too hard not to overindulge. Did they say when they might have the menu? I would love to go back for brunch as there aren't enough options for brunch at the cafe.

                                                        1. re: cutehinano

                                                          They told me that brunch menus for Saturday and Sunday are coming in 2 or 3 weeks. Maybe someone can confirm.

                                                          1. re: justsayn

                                                            I emailed their reservation person and they said they were unaware. Perhaps they're just not in the know.

                                                    2. re: cutehinano

                                                      What was the price of the buffet?

                                                2. The ham and cheese croissants here are also really good; best if warmed in the oven (I'm not sure if they do that regularly? The first time they gave it to me after warming but not the second time).

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                                                  1. re: ggom1

                                                    I've actually had the croissants here and they were pretty mediocre from a French perspective.

                                                    1. re: yakionigiri

                                                      Pretty good from an Ontario perspective should probably be good enough for Toronto, don't you think? :D

                                                      1. re: prima

                                                        I've had the croissants from almost all of the French bakeries in Toronto, and Colette's are by far the best!

                                                        1. re: kwass

                                                          While I haven't had their plain croissant, there is no doubt that their almond chocolate is best in town. But like I wrote earlier, it is a very unique version.

                                                          1. re: justsayn

                                                            I'm sorry justsayn, but despite what she says, the butter croissants are incomparable! They're crispy and flaky on the outside, pillowy and buttery on the inside. You can't eat one of these croissants without a napkin, because they leave your hands covered with butter.

                                                            1. re: kwass

                                                              I'm not a big fan of plain croissants (simply a calorie vs enjoyment thing for me). Much like Elaine and "sponge worthy".

                                                              But believe me, I don't doubt for a second that your review is Toronto-centric, the way I prefer. If getting a plain croissant tomorrow, I'd be going to Colette without a doubt!

                                                              I don't much care about some pastry chef in Lyon, Paris or Hong Kong, when I'm looking for a great croissant for breakfast in Toronto. Lol

                                                              1. re: justsayn

                                                                Love the Seinfeld reference!! These croissants are definitely "sponge worthy"...and then some ;)

                                                                1. re: kwass

                                                                  Lol. I have some homemade jam coming my way soon. I will dive in then!!

                                                                  1. re: justsayn

                                                                    Lucky you!! Well, I'd love to hear what you think. And if it's simply a calorie thing, these are definitely worth the calories :)

                                                                    1. re: kwass

                                                                      But there are SO many things worth the calories!! Lol. I have to pick favourites!

                                                                      1. re: justsayn

                                                                        So true justsayn :) Well, when the day comes that you're willing to throw caution to the wind, splurge and get a butter croissant ;)

                                                                2. re: justsayn

                                                                  Exactement. By the way, the peameal bacon on a bun sucks in Paris.

                                                                  1. re: prima

                                                                    However, it doesn't exist there. You should have said bagels (which are also bad in Toronto, but Montreal is close enough).

                                                                    1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                      You shouldn't tell me what I should have said, unless you want me to tell you what you should have said.

                                                                          1. re: prima

                                                                            Peameal bacon actually isn't the same as what the French call bacon. It's more of a smoked Canadian bacon (unless Canadian bacon is always smoked; I'm not sure).

                                                                            1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                              Peameal bacon is cured, not smoked. I realize peameal bacon is not readily available in Paris. I was joking when I said the peameal bacon sucks in Paris. Jokes don't have to be perfectly logical.
                                                                              Here is another Chowhound' s comments about various types of bacon in France.
                                                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9192...

                                                                              It gets a little tiresome to read over and over again that whatever we've got available in Toronto sucks compared to whatever fantastic Platonic ideal is available in Paris or NYC.

                                                                              1. re: prima

                                                                                My response to your joke was also a joke.

                                                                                That's the same link you posted before, and the one I was responding to. "Bacon" in France is this sort of smoked Canadian bacon. It's not peameal bacon.

                                                                                Plus, there are a lot of great things in Toronto: they just aren't croissants.

                                                                                1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                                  Lard salé would be closer to peameal bacon than French 'bacon' (the smoked pork product called 'bacon' in French).

                                                                                  Not every Chowhound who likes to eat croissants has the funds and/or time available to go sample croissants in France. No one is saying Toronto's croissants are better than Parisian croissants. Besides, the quality of croissants is relative. The croissants in Toronto are great compared to the croissants available in Huntsville.

                                                                                  In case you or any Chowhounds in France ever decide you want peameal bacon to exist in France, here's a recipe http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

                                                                                  1. re: prima

                                                                                    It's a tough balance.

                                                                                    I think there is value in pointing out when Toronto doesn't do something well (the same goes for New York or Paris or any other city). To operate in purely relative terms means that you're going to praise things that simply aren't good, but merely better than what else is being served here.

                                                                                    At the same time, it's not much use to always say that X is better in city Y if there are totally decent iterations of the food in Toronto. Where the line is between the two is tough to try.

                                                                                    My croissant (one visit) was good and on par with the better croissants in Toronto. If it was representative of the nor, - a big if - the praise for Colette here seems a bit effusive to me. I understand yakionigir's in the context of what seems like over-the-top praise. But I get that some people are excited to have another good option, which can only be a good thing for Toronto.

                                                                                    1. re: BigBabyYeezuS

                                                                                      I understand what you're saying. When I say the quality of croissants is relative, I'm talking about ranking Toronto croissants and other Ontario croissants (since this is the Toronto/Ontario Board) from awful, to meh, to better, to best. That's different from praising croissants that are not good.

                                                                                      I'm not praising Colette's croissants.

                                                                                      To suggest no croissants in Toronto are worth eating because the only croissants worth eating are baked in France, Belgium or possibly NYC when plenty of Chowhounds are finding something likeable about Colette's croissants or Rahier's croissants or any other Toronto croissants, is over-the-top negativity. The rain cloud opposite of over-the-top praise in my books.

                                                                                      1. re: prima

                                                                                        Yeah, sorry, but that doesn't cut it for me. If I eat something, I'm going to compare it to the other versions I've had. If it doesn't measure up, it doesn't.

                                                                                        Before Toronto had ramen that was actually of acceptable quality, would you have suggested praising somewhere like Ajisen? After all, it could have been "the best" at the time? Isn't saying that something is "good (for Toronto)" just as "negative" as saying something is mediocre on a global scale? I want to eat things that are good in Toronto, but that could be good anywhere else too. If just about 2 users (in 100 posts) think Colette's croissants are the best in Toronto, and are satisfied with what would be considered mediocre in other places, that's fine. Expectations still need to be tempered.

                                                                                        1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                                          I can't stand ramen, so I wouldn't be praising Ajisen.

                                                                                          Most people read this Board when they're looking for X (sometimes decent X available on Sundays, sometimes cheap X, sometimes convenient X within a 10 minute walk of Y, sometimes the best X) in Toronto or Ontario, not when they're looking for the best X in the world.

                                                                                          1. re: prima

                                                                                            Whereas others are, and could be deceived.

                                                                                            1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                                              I disagree.I don't think anyone would expect to find the best croissants in the world at Colette because a few Chowhounds have mentioned Colette serves some of their favourite croissants in Toronto.

                                                                                              YMMV.

                                                                                              1. re: prima

                                                                                                Toronto just can't catch a break, I guess.

                                                                                          2. re: yakionigiri

                                                                                            If you think you're going to find the world's best croissant in Toronto, you're probably delusional. If you're looking for something acceptable, even good, you can find it. I think croissants fall into this category. Of course, with some things, there just isn't an acceptable version available (despite what some here say, I think Northern Thai falls into this category).

                                                                                            Realistically, if you're in basically any city except for a few - and New York is not one of those few except for like three things - you're not going to find the best versions of anything in those cities. The question is whether there are good or acceptable versions.

                                                                                            1. re: BigBabyYeezuS

                                                                                              I agree, but even in these certain cities there is rarely a consensus on what location has the best x, y, or z. The problem is that I can have a great croissant in Montreal, but only get an "acceptable" one in Toronto. Maybe I should just stick to peameal :-(

                                                                                              We just need a bubble economy and people insane enough to invest in ridiculous ventures.

                                                                                              1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                                                Well, not a condo bubble economy at least.

                                                                                                I know the feeling. I actually don't think it's income but something more cultural. I love it here, but the food scene gets me some times. That's way off topic and probably not a popular opinion, though.

                                                                                                What's your choice croissant in Montreal these days? I had a very good one at Guillaume earlier this year...

                                                                                                1. re: BigBabyYeezuS

                                                                                                  Japanese bubble economy! Apprentice at the patisserie for a decade, then have someone buy it, disassemble it, ship it, reassemble it, etc.

                                                                                                  I also found the one at Guillaume to be quite good. I had a great one at Kouign Amann as well (as was their namesake pastry).

                                                                                                  1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                                                    Kouign Amann is just the best. I literally cannot visit Montreal without going there.

                                                                                                    1. re: BigBabyYeezuS

                                                                                                      Kouign Amann from Montreal's Kouign Amann is good for Montreal, but it's pretty mediocre compared to what you can find in Brittany. The version that used to be served at the now-closed La Porte on St Laurent was much closer to the best Kouign Amann I've ever had. ;)

                                                                                                      1. re: prima

                                                                                                        Actually, as I was in Bretagne two weeks ago, I can say that it's more than mediocre; it's actually quite decent. Can't say the same for Colette's croissants. ;)

                                                                    2. re: justsayn

                                                                      I do, because it's my baseline for comparison. Don't sell local talent short.

                                                              2. re: prima

                                                                Still disappointing. All show, no substance.

                                                          2. As one of the longest standing chowhounder on this board. I am still at a lost, after 15+ yrs of posting on this blog, the true meaning of some of the posting guidelines and rationale behind some of the moderators' action.
                                                            Casing point: Currently there are over 118 discussions of 'Colette' on this board, of which over 50+% had morphed into discussion of 'Croissant'and pastries?! How come these were not being treated as 'off topis' and moved to or assigned another title or topic?!
                                                            Another example of Moderators' weird action and inconsistency?!

                                                            9 Replies
                                                            1. re: Charles Yu

                                                              How can the discussion of croissants and pastries be off-topic? The cafe is part of Collette's. They have a dining room and a cafe that sells pastries.

                                                              1. re: Charles Yu

                                                                Sorry Charles but as the person who started the thread specifically about the Colette Restaurant and Cafe, and it's pastries and breads, it seems to me the thread has been exactly on topic! Although I agree it is odd to keep so many posts about out of province croissants. I guess it's because of the crazy Toronto and authenticity argument...

                                                                1. re: justsayn

                                                                  "Although I agree it is odd to keep so many posts about out of province croissants. I guess it's because of the crazy Toronto and authenticity argument..."

                                                                  Exactly my point! If one does a Google search on 'Colette review', one would expect information on the establishment rather than seeing so many discussions on whether certain croissant is the best in TO, better than Montreal or not up to par when compared with the French?!

                                                                  BTW,just noticed another fellow hound posted a thread inquiring 'Dinner at Colette'. Now, hopefully we can get the right relevant info from future postings?!

                                                                  1. re: Charles Yu

                                                                    The previous incarnation (Scarpetta) was panned here (and elsewhere) and closed. In its place is Colette, which has roughly the same philosophy. It's uninspired, overpriced food in a beautiful space. May as well have just installed another La Société.

                                                                    If you can't even cook duck to temperature, you don't belong.

                                                                    1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                      Is the food served at dinner better at Colette or Cluny?

                                                                      1. re: prima

                                                                        Does Cluny have overcooked, oversalted duck breast? Overpriced oysters (probably)? If it weren't at the suggestion of someone else, and if it weren't expensed, there'd be no way I'd ever eat at Colette for dinner. I won't even say what I think in regards to the qualité-prix and other places.

                                                                        Le Sélect has better food in a less beautiful space. They also have better service and competent staff (which Colette certainly does not have).

                                                                        I realize this doesn't answer your question, but I'm not able to compare Colette/Cluny.

                                                                        1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                          Though to balance the equation, the Thompson has phones installed next to the toilet.

                                                                          1. re: yakionigiri

                                                                            I haven't tried the duck at Cluny, so I'm not sure. Wouldn't be surprised if it was overcooked, under salted or over salted. Beautiful space, and at least one somewhat confused server at Cluny. So maybe Colette and Cluny are neck and neck.

                                                                            Re: Cluny
                                                                            "...a menu that's part mass appeal, part high roller, and he mostly succeeds at both..."

                                                                            http://www.torontolife.com/daily-dish...

                                                                      2. re: Charles Yu

                                                                        I see what you're saying now Charles and I agree that this discussion definitely went off the rails when people started making comparisons between the croissants in TO vs. those found in other cities. As prima mentioned earlier, who cares how good the croissants are in Paris!

                                                                  2. Moderation on this Board is all over the place, so I have sympathy for both sides. However, just like Aeroplan, the formula is "If you don't like the moderation/sales agent saying certain flights are impossible, then repost and it may get through/then phone again and it is quite possible you'll get your round-trip to Zanzibar via Greeland". To be fair, the mods are at least polite in relaying their decisions by PM, which is not the case with some forums' little Caesars.