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FARMSHOP charging .30 for paper bag. Every other market in area charging 10 cents

Went to the market area to pick up a few items. Sign at register said charge for a paper bag was 30 cents. This really irritated me as I do nearly all grocery shopping in the Santa Monica or Brentwood area. I asked clerk why they were charging 3 times the price of Vicente foods. He said :"management told him to explain that they used high quality paper bags." Really ?! I have an arsenal of reusable bags from Vicente foods and use them all of the time. This move has pissed off more than a few people.

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  1. "I have an arsenal of reusable bags "

    Soooo...Use your own bags.
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    1. re: pedalfaster

      That isn't the issue. The issue is that they are charging triple what every other market charges.

      1. re: maudies5

        Perhaps civil disobedience is in order... which would entail bringing your own bags.

          1. re: maudies5

            So, you're just angry for the sake of being angry then. Whatever floats your boat.

            1. re: JeMange

              Fine. Think what you wish. I think that their justification for charging 3x what every other market in the area charges is ridiculous. Their paper bags are nothing special.

              1. re: maudies5

                "Their paper bags are nothing special."

                That's a joke, right?

                1. re: maudies5

                  Show us the bag! I'm now curious to see what a 0.30 bag looks like.

                  1. re: david t.

                    There are $2 bottles of wine and $2000 bottles of wine. There are $10,000 cars and $10,000,000 cars. There are $5 meals and $500 meals. No one is forcing anyone to buy one over the other, or to buy either one of them when it comes to that. That a high end store in a high end area of L.A. would charge more for a completely discretionary bag doesn't come as much of surprise to me.

                  2. re: maudies5

                    To paraphrase Apu from the Simpsons, on why he loves America so much:

                    "I have the freedom to say, think and charge whatever I want."

                    For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with the $0.30 charge. Since we should all be bringing our own bags anyway, I'm all for anything that discourages the practice.

                    Mr Taster

                      1. re: Mr Taster

                        Kind of the same principle as hiking the taxes on cigarettes till they become too expensive to buy, right?

                        1. re: thymeoz

                          >> hiking the taxes on cigarettes

                          On the surface it may appear to be, but cigarettes are an addictive product that affects human behavior in a way that really isn't comparable to changing one's shopping bag habit.

                          Mr Taster

                2. re: JeMange

                  I'm not going to drive around with old market bags in my car because maybe I'll end up at Farmshop. They shouldn't be gouging their customers. I have been shopping at Vicente Foods until they stop their price gouging and start treating their customers right.

                  1. re: bringiton

                    "Driving around with old market bags in my car" is a problem? Not into doing right by the environment, huh? Too much trouble, too awful to have reuseable (sp?) bags in the car???

                    1. re: thymeoz

                      Now when I do minor shopping (instead of major, "fill up the rolling cart" shopping) where I would once have carried one of those plastic baskets around the store I now just carry one of the plastic bags out of my trunk and throw my groceries in the bag and then roll them out onto the conveyor belt at the scanner stand station when I'm ready to check out.

                      Works for me.

                      1. re: thymeoz

                        Even better for the environment; how about WALKING around with bags?

                        JK. I couldn't resist.

                        Seriously I put the bags in my car, and my husband takes them out. Where I live the bag charge is not yet mandatory, but most stores will credit your grocery bill if you bring your own.

                        You start with an incentive, and if that doesn't work, you try punishment, then you raise it until it hurts!

                        It occurs to me, that different markets (as in gourmet vs budget vs high end) will have customers with different thresholds for changing behavior. For me, I don't care about the money, but feel pretty awful about bringing yet another bag home, which I feel too terrible to throw out. So my punishment is having to deal with so many bags, I have to use one of the the seats at the table for the overflow.

                        1. re: thymeoz

                          Paper market bags are fully recycleable and biodegradeable. In addition, they can be reused, for example as trash bags. Using paper bags is doing RIGHT by the environment. Charging .10 for paper bags was a bribe by the City to supermarkets to get them not to oppose the ordinance to ban paper bags. It resulted in a big inconvenience to shoppers and a serious health risk to those resusing their cloth bags.

                    2. re: maudies5

                      Sometimes I shop at WF and sometimes I go to WinCo (a discount warehouse type store). Either can charge whatever they wish. So don't go there if it bothers you that much.

                      1. re: maudies5

                        The LA City ordinance is very specific about the 10-cent charge and how the monies accumulated shall be used by the store.

                        B. Beginning January 1,2014, for all Stores defined in Subsections K(1) and (2) of Section 195.01, and beginning July 1, 2014, for all Stores defined in Subsection K(3) of Section 195.01, Stores may provide to their Customers Recyclable Paper Single-Use Carryout Bags for the purpose of carrying away goods or other materials from the point of sale, subject to the following requirements:
                        (1) Customers shall be charged ten cents ($0.10) for each Recyclable Paper Single-Use Carryout Bag provided; and
                        (2) Every Customer receipt must specify the number of Recyclable Paper Single-Use Carryout Bags provided to that Customer and the total amount charged to the Customer for those bags.
                        C. All monies collected by a Store pursuant to Subsection C of this Section will be retained by the Store and may only be used for any of the following purposes:
                        (1) costs associated with complying with the requirements of this Article;
                        (2) actual costs of providing Recyclable Paper Single-Use Carryout Bags and;
                        (3) costs associated with a Store's educational materials or education
                        campaign encouraging the use of Reusable Bags.
                        D. All Stores must report to the Department of Public Works, on a quarterly basis, the total number of Recyclable Paper Single-Use Carryout Bags provided, the total amount of monies collected for providing Recyclable Paper Single-Use Carryout Bags, if applicable, and a summary of any efforts the Store has undertaken to promote the use of Reusable Bags by Customers in the prior quarter. Such reporting must be done on a form prescribed by the Department of Public Works, and must be signed by a
                        responsible agent or officer of the Store confirming that the information provided on the form is accurate and complete. Quarterly reports must be submitted no later than thirty (30) days following the end of the quarter for which the report is made.

                        Here's the actual ordinance in pdf:

                        http://www.cawrecycles.org/files/11-1...

                        I'm not a lawyer - legal hounds can dissect this if they wish.

                        1. re: bulavinaka

                          Here's Santa Monica's ordinance:

                          http://www.smgov.net/uploadedFiles/De...

                          The wording in regards to the amount charged is critically different from LA's in that retailers are required to charge "at least" ten cents per paper bag.

                          Grocery stores, convenience stores, mini-marts, liquor stores and pharmacies are permitted to provide customers with paper bags made from at least 40% post-consumer recycled content. These types of retailers are required to charge customers at least ten cents per paper bag.

                          So while most retailers seem to fall in line with the 10-cent charge, Farmshop "can" charge more than 10 cents for their bags. The reason for the upcharge given by Farmshop to maudie5 seems awkward (assuming the paper bag is of similar quality to other paper bags). The Santa Monica ordinance doesn't seem as specific as to what can be done with the monies from the bag charge as the LA ordinance, so...

                            1. re: maudies5

                              Sorry - I was going by their stated address. Assuming they are in LA, they don't seem to be complying.

                              1. re: bulavinaka

                                If I'm understanding the City of Santa Monica GIS maps correctly, it looks like Farmshop's structure is within city of Los Angeles.

                                26th Street marks one of the city borders; the street itself and the land to the west of it are city of Santa Monica; but it appears that the Brentwood Country Mart property is city of L.A, since it lies on the eastern side of 26th.

                                I'm not 100% sure of that -- just basing it on a quick look-see at the online maps. I'm wondering if the street address and zip code are for USPS purposes, while for all other purposes, it falls under City of Los Angeles.

                                 
                                1. re: spoonlicker

                                  That is likely. I was under the impression it was LA as well.

                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                    Brentwood Country Mart is in L.A. Walk across the street and you will be in Santa Monica.

                    3. You should bring in paper (or even plastic) bags bearing the name of a competitor.

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                      1. re: Chandavkl

                        I bought a few from Smart & Final (plastic ones) because they said they will replace them with new ones when they tear, and the old ones get recycled back into new ones again.

                      2. Maybe Ludo is consulting? Is the store limited to selling 200 bags per day?

                        1. Awesome! More places should do this. Think how many people will be less likely to forget their bags?

                          Honestly? When I forget my bags I don't bag them. Leave them in cart, put in the back seat, drive home. In your case you could suck it up and pay the thirty cents as "punishment" for forgetting your bags.

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                          1. re: foodieX2

                            You just made a GREAT point. And I've done the exact same thing when I didn't bring my bags when visiting our daughter in Seattle where they charge. Take the cart out to the car and unload. It's a good reminder for next time. I talked to a checker at WF and she said when she makes her shopping list the first thing on it is "bags."

                            1. re: c oliver

                              All the shoppers at the Chinese markets in Rowland Heights go Costco style. They don't believe in paying for bags or using reusable ones.

                              1. re: c oliver

                                Sometimes I really wonder if anyone ever gets past the topic line. I have made it clear several times that I do use my own bags when I shop. What I find offensive is that they are charging more than than other market in the area for their paper bags (which I never use).

                                1. re: maudies5

                                  I completely agree with you, maudies5...its the principle...how the hell do they decide to do that...better quality bags...well, in Brentwood they can get away with that kind of bullshit!

                                  1. re: lapizzamaven

                                    Thank you so much for getting my point. It is, indeed, the principle.
                                    Appreciate your post, lapizzamaven.

                                    1. re: maudies5

                                      maudie5, don't mind the haters.

                                      They enjoy a good kvetch-session just like the rest of us. After all, if they didn't, they'd just ignore the thread and move on.

                                      And it's well within the CH tradition to analyze minutiae down to a gnat's eyelash -- no issue is too minor for us to debate!

                                      You have me intrigued with the mention of the $80 shopping bag. I just have a messy heap of Bob's Market cloth bags that I keep in my car. If I forget to bring them, I just buy more (they make good storage totes). Those things are multiplying like tribbles.

                                      1. re: spoonlicker

                                        Cute bag. So not worth the money. Although, a couple of my friends in Italy loved that hemp shopping bag with "FarmShop California" printed. Truly is a great gift . I think I recently saw a similar bag at Trader Joes (didn't say Farmshop) and was smaller. Swear it's the same bag.
                                        Thanks for the kind post Spoonlicker.

                                  2. re: maudies5

                                    Perhaps it's not the real reason, it's certainly not the reason the clerk gave you, but foodieX2's point (a point I was going to make too) was that the higher bag price may actually help the overall goal of more reuseable bag use by increasing the disincentive for people forgetting to bring their own bags. WF does the same, but in the opposite direction by giving you 10 cents off if you bring your own bags. How dare they? ;-)

                                    Frankly, while I always strive to bring a reusable bag, at 10 cents a bag it doesn't feel like a big deal if I forget. I'd definitely remember more if each bag were a quarter or 30 cents as in Farmshop's case.

                                    1. re: TheOffalo

                                      I have a Saturday run. SM Farmers Mkt on Arizona, SM Seafood, Huckleberry to pick up granola. Huckleberry gives 10cent discount when customer brings own bags. Mgr. at Huckleberry told me that their bags cost them 12 cents. My issue with Farmshop is that they are trying to make a profit on the law which states 10 cents a bag in City of L.A. I really don't believe that altruism comes into play. One only has to go to Vicente Foods and see that most of the customers are bringing their own bags (amused to see so many Lululemon bags:))

                                      1. re: maudies5

                                        I'm not claiming altruism on their behalf, I'm just saying the overall effect may be that it increases reuseable bag use at Farmshop.

                                        But perhaps not. Farmshop sells pretty high end stuff, maybe the average FS customers don't care about 30 cents like I "don't care" about 10 cents. (I put it in quotes because I do care, and I do reuse those paper bags I paid a dime for...)

                                        1. re: TheOffalo

                                          Good point, Offalo. The overall effect at Vicente foods when they started charging 10 cents was an influx of customers carrying their own bags. To your point "Farmshop sells pretty high end stuff.". So does Vicente Foods. Vicente has has a very loyal customer base. I am at Vicente about 3x week. Nearly every shopper is carrying a personal, re-useable bag. My initial point, is about squeezing the customer out of another few cents, not about some higher motive. Actually, if I were really cynical, I would attribute Farm Shop's motives to their wish to sell more of those Farm Shop $80 shopping bags so prominently displayed at the cashier counter. They are lovely. Made in Bangledash. In fact, they make great gifts to friends who live in Europe. Made of hemp. Very sturdy and good looking and some $$ go to worthy cause.

                                            1. re: c oliver

                                              If they are made of hemp and cost $80 I wonder if the material is "medical hemp" that one can smoke if in a desperate situation.

                                              1. re: Tripeler

                                                My bad. They are made of jute not hemp and the cost is $68

                                                1. re: maudies5

                                                  my bad ??????????

                                                  you're starting to sound like me. :)

                                        2. re: maudies5

                                          I make my runs like you, accept in another area of town. I'm in SM at least once a week and always stop at Farmshop to purchase various things I can't seem to find anywhere else…plus I love the overall vibe.
                                          There are those who seem to be able to carry their reusable everywhere they go…I'm not one of them. I forget and am willing to shell out the 10 cents per bag I'm charged…no big deal to me. Most of the places I'm a regular they don't charge me so I guess it all evens out.
                                          However, when it dawned on me that I'd been charged the 30 cents per bag I felt like a fool. It's the principle and I'm pretty sure Farmshop isn't doing it to encourage people to bring their own…it's profit, they're able to get away with it and so until there's some sort of outcry they'll, most likely, continue.
                                          I completely agree with your OP and I'm glad you made an issue of it.

                                        3. re: TheOffalo

                                          Slightly off topic here ... TheOffalo, I don't shop at WF often, but when I do and bring my own bag, they always ask if I want to donate the bag credit. The first time I had no idea what they were talking about and asked for more information. I don't know about others here, but when I make any charitable donations, I want to write it off myself.

                                          If I buy a couple of items and carry them out, there's no bag credit or request to donate.

                                          1. re: AntarcticWidow

                                            I'm sure you know this, but there are very definite rules about charitable deductions. No anything or anyone qualifies. But if donating through WF or anyone else, with proper record keeping, it shouldn't be a problem. PS: I'm not a tax adviser :)

                                            1. re: c oliver

                                              No, you need a receipt directly from a charitable organization to have a deductible contribution.

                                              1. re: Chandavkl

                                                You're right. I just checked. But, again, the ability to donate has very stringent requirements. We never try to deduct anything. We just give.

                                                1. re: Chandavkl

                                                  so if i buy one of those $5 bags for hunger at Von's it won't be deductible since I'm making the donation as part of my bill to Von's ????????

                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                    I should point out there's a deminimis exception for small contributions on the receipt requirement, but you'll notice that charities will nevertheless issue you an acknowledgement anyway for smaller amounts. The Von's bag is iffy, though I don't think anybody is going to contest you over $5. But if a merchant tells you all or a portion of its proceeds are donated to charity, you certainly don't get the deduction.

                                                    1. re: Chandavkl

                                                      thanks, just was curious, and it's been a few yrs since federal income taxation course.

                                                      i'm not actually going to deduct the $5 von's charity bag, i'm too lazy, etc in keeping the receipts, copying them, itemizing them, and logging them.

                                                      thanks again man.

                                                  2. re: Chandavkl

                                                    I thought that is only above a certain dollar limit; I think $500.00

                                                    ETA...looks like I am days behind in this discussion...

                                            2. re: maudies5

                                              I get your point completely. I just disagree entirely.

                                              If you're familiar with my many Chowhound musings you know that I can be very sensitive to price gouging (see my many Chowhound rants on hipster economics skewing and outsizing prices for everyone). I do not see this as price gouging at all (though I do have a problem with the disingenuous "high quality bag" argument.) Hell, let 'em charge $5.00 a bag if they want. I don't care one whit, as long as it helps to retrain the populace to do the right thing, then it has served its purpose.

                                              I think it's relevant to note that Whole Foods has been giving 10 cent per bag refunds for years now, yet it seems that people haven't really made an effort to change their habits en masse until an actual penalty was put in place across the board. It goes to show you the power of the economic disincentive.

                                              Mr Taster

                                              1. re: maudies5

                                                Yes, I read your post and I still credit the store for doing the right thing. I honestly don't care if they are making profit and they only make a profit if someone BUYS them. No one buys? No profit.

                                                There is a direct correlation between charging for bags and customers bringing their own. Hopefully other stores will take note and raise their prices too. That will hit it home.

                                                You are clearly not paying the thirty cents so I don't know why you are so upset. It's NOT the principle of thing. Do you rage over Farmshop charging more for brands you can find in other grocers or on line for less? That Gap charges less than BR for their t-shirts even though they are made in the same factory? When Nordstroms charges more for Uggs than Zappos. It's about what the market will bear. Clearly people continue to buy those thirty cent bags other wise they would have lowered the price.

                                                1. re: maudies5

                                                  Maudie,
                                                  Farmshop charges more than any other place for EVERYTHING.
                                                  I refer you to a past comment of mine re Farmshop:
                                                  "Never have I been to a place that had SO MANY THINGS that I did not want"
                                                  That aside, considering their obnoxious price points for all things, chicken brunch, etc., etc., why continue to patronize a place that gouges their customers?
                                                  Went once and will never go back. Like the earlier Ludo.
                                                  No respect.

                                                  1. re: VenusCafe

                                                    <why continue to patronize a place that gouges their customers?>

                                                    Farmshop, and the shops surrounding it, fulfills a need for a specific demography, population.
                                                    I have no problem with the prices I pay. Their products are specialty items, high quality, and along with that the people who shop there aren't complaining about prices. They expect it and that old saying, 'if you have to look at the price then perhaps you shouldn't be shopping there' applies.
                                                    Not speaking for maudie (I've never heard her complain about prices either) but I do have an issue with the 30 cent bag, although I pay it, because the bag is no different than the shop down the street that charges a dime.

                                                    1. re: latindancer

                                                      LatinDancer,
                                                      I have previously enjoyed some of your comments on CH, but must disagree with the position you take on this issue.
                                                      Please do not distort my complaint with snark such as 'if you have to look at the price then perhaps you shouldn't be shopping there'. Looking at price is merely smart buying, not a point for discredit. Farmshop price points are extreme; the issue is business ethics.
                                                      Same as your Farmshop peers, this luxury loving Taurus has also paid big bucks for hard to find high-end items, but for me, there is something disgusting about a shop being too willing to gouge their customers, and customers who are only too willing to be gouged.
                                                      Farmshop prices definitely qualify for this gouge category.
                                                      I can 'afford' their prices b/c I support good value(s) elsewhere.
                                                      I refuse to collude with a business ethic that depends solely on indifference to cost, and will not throw money at them like most of my high-end neighbors.
                                                      I would not give my bucks to someone who was spitting in my face, and I treat those who are spending good money for my services with respect.

                                                      1. re: VenusCafe

                                                        <Please do not distort my complaint with snark>

                                                        With all due respect, VenusCafe, there was no 'snark' intended and it certainly wasn't directed at you, not knowing anything about you.
                                                        There are certain areas that are catering to a certain population who want high quality, specialty, high end and don't think about price. Does it make the behavior 'disgusting'? I don't think so….
                                                        I'm reminded of an area, I'm very well aware of and love, that was designed and successfully launched to allow for the spending of the fortune of a well-known man and his company.
                                                        He's brilliant. He has money to burn, literally.
                                                        I stand by my comment and, again, there's absolutely nothing snarky about it.

                                                        1. re: latindancer

                                                          Please permit me to reconsider the term
                                                          snark and downsize it to Marie Antoinette.

                                                        2. re: VenusCafe

                                                          I think you need to understand what gouging really means...here is a wiki link:

                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_go...

                                                          1. re: manku

                                                            your link confirmed my concept of gouging.

                                                            1. re: VenusCafe

                                                              It's not gouging, VenusCafe.
                                                              Farmshop's prices are expected. It's located in an affluent area. People expect the prices of gas, food, water, clothing etc. to be higher.
                                                              There's a big difference between prices in areas in places like this and an aftermath of a hurricane where retailers are raising their prices because people need food and water and they can get away with doing so.
                                                              It's not the same.

                                                      2. re: VenusCafe

                                                        lol, not everything. Still cheaper to go to farmshop for la mill coffee than luxxe (in the same center)for coffee. I think their pre-made sandwiches, while expensive are very good. love the croissant with ham, Gruyere and kale. You can get ranch gordo beans, well curated cheese selection.
                                                        Now I wouldn't by any produce their for sure and you aren't going for a bargain. Just stay away from the 6$ eggs and 68$ grocery bags and you'll be okay.

                                                2. Note that the grocers lobbied in Los Angeles and Sacramento against the first proposals for plastic bag bans and charging for paper bags. Then the legislation was changed so that the grocers could pocket the ten-cent charge, and voila, they supported it.

                                                  I'll admit it here: In the waning days before the disposable plastic bag ban, I swiped a thick portion of the unseparated plastic bags at a local supermarket so that i could double-bag my stash of paper bags to dispose of damp garbage and the ever-mounting kitty litter.

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                                                  1. re: nosh

                                                    It's great when CHs teach others how to cheat while hurting the planet. YAY.

                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                      Cheat? Maybe I'll cop to that, though they were going to have to discard the bags in a few days anyway. (I asked -- there was no efficient process in place that would make returning the unused bags less costly than simply pitching them.)

                                                      Hurting the planet? No way. Representatives of the bag industry who were interviewed on talk-radio before the ban claim that their thin plastic disposable bags are biodegradable. More important, when the thin, disposable bags run out I'll have to buy plastic trash or garbage-size bags which are thicker, as well as much more expensive.

                                                      As a grad student in social psychology at UC Santa Cruz, I was doing research to maximize recycling behavior in 1980.

                                                      1. re: nosh

                                                        I'm glad you brought up cat litter. "Single use" plastic grocery bags are definitely better for that than paper bags. Also, I can't think of a single person that I know that didn't reuse the "single use" plastic grocery bags at least once. Yeah, that's not *that* reusable but we weren't pitching them as soon as we got home and put the groceries away.

                                                        1. re: TheOffalo

                                                          While we reuse when we can, the bags far outweigh their use.

                                                        2. re: nosh

                                                          Having had any number of cats over the decades, I never thought that a store should support that.

                                                          But, hey, if the store said "you bet, take all the bags you want" then I apologize for suggesting that you were stealing. My apologies.

                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                            The complete story is that the checkout person said she wasn't permitted to just let me take a whole handful of the plastic bags. But she left me with the information that they were destined to be tossed and the clear impression she (and the store) didn't care if i took them. So I just left without them on that trip, and then grabbed a healthy handful when exiting the next time.

                                                            Thank goodness I know from my decades as a criminal defense attorney that a confession without a corpus can't be prosecuted....

                                                            1. re: nosh

                                                              Sorry, in no way was I talking about a legal issue.

                                                              1. re: nosh

                                                                a confession without a corpus can't be prosecuted??????

                                                                What does that mean in plain ol' fashioned English Nosher ????

                                                                Thanks.

                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                  It isn't quite accurate. While it is harder to convict of murder when they lack the body (evidence)oooh that parensagains! A few convictions have been obtained when there was no body.
                                                                  I do not know how a confession might alter this.

                                                                  1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                    A corpus is not the same as a corpse.

                                                                    A corpus is evidence that a crime has occurred. For example, if someone confesses to the police that they possessed drugs last week, but there is no independent evidence that the drugs actually existed and that he possessed them, the confession is insufficient to bring charges or convict.

                                                            2. re: nosh

                                                              I believe typical plastic grocery bags take enormous amounts of time to break down. Oxidation in landfills is minimal. The bags do photodegrade but most aren't exposed to sunlight for very long.

                                                              Plastic bags are overrunning the world. Penang banned plastic bags years ago because of the litter issue but more so because the bags were clogging the drainage and sewer systems. This has no longer been an issue post-ban, saving the municipal govt the repeated huge and nasty expense of unclogging their waste systems.

                                                              I think the spirit of many posts is being lost on this issue because of some snarky remarks. maudies5 has always been a straight-up hound with so many valuable contributions. Her OP on this issue leads into a far more vast issue that has potential consequences beyond first world problems. I'd hope more respect to her would be in order.

                                                              1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                Agreed. But what's wrong with paper grocery bags???

                                                                1. re: bringiton

                                                                  I don't believe I stated there was anything wrong with paper bags. I use paper bags that I've collected from grocery stores that have literally lasted for 2 years and longer. When they are of no more use as grocery bags, their final use is to hold my newspapers that go in the recycle can.

                                                                2. re: bulavinaka

                                                                  i agree wholeheartedly.

                                                                  maudies is great in reporting on joints especially in the brentwood/santa monica area, which i think is her usual stomping grounds if i'm not mistaken.

                                                            3. re: nosh

                                                              Since I'm not sure what this thread has to do w/ food (sorry, maudie), I'll add my support about how annoying it is to not have plastic grocery bags for kitty litter!!! The standard plastic bag is the perfect size for a multi-cat household. Sad to say, but one of the reasons I like going to the Farmer's Market now (aside from, you know, the produce, is that I can still get plastic bags there!!!). The other alternative is to use small trash bags, which are still way too big (and, IMHO, more of a drag on the environment than the plastic grocery bag).

                                                              1. re: paranoidgarliclover

                                                                Since you mention the concern for the environment, you can purchase these... at around 20 cents each, they are even cheaper than the Vincente food bags... LOL!!

                                                                https://www.doggiefood.com/index.php/...

                                                                  1. re: maudies5

                                                                    I think you may have given a wrong link.

                                                                  2. re: Dommy

                                                                    Hmmm.... Those might work size-wise. But $0.20 each.... ::sigh:: ;)

                                                                    1. re: paranoidgarliclover

                                                                      Our pups are worth it! Plus, they also smell nice! ;)

                                                                      --Dommy!