New All-Clad Handles... About Time.
- DuffyH Jul 25, 2014 11:54 PM
Finally, there's a new and completely different handle on All-Clad. But there's a catch. It's a mixed group of Stainless, D5 and Copper Core bodies. The frypans are D5, the saucepans, saucier and saute are Copper Core and the stockpot and rondeau are stainless.
You can't get a 12" frypan at all.
Still, it's a new handle, and that's a start.
ETA - All the pans have rolled rims and brushed finishes, which I really like. And universal lids, which make me nuts.
Definately an improvement, even the loop/helper handles look much bigger than the old design which had such a small opening as to be useless when holding w oven mitts.
But, too late for me. Got rid of all my All Clad SS years ago because the handles bothered me so much. Replaced them with a mixed bag of Mauviel Induc'Inox (discontinued, I guess replaced by the M'Cook line, but had those great old school cast iron handles), Paderno Grand Gourmet (best loop handles evah), Demeyere Sirroco (discontinued 'designer' line with the funky lid handles), Demeyere Atlantis, Mauviel/Bourgeat copper, deBuyer cs, Sitram copper disk.
Definitely an improvement. However, it seems All Clad only changed the handles for the Thomas Keller's series. In other words, this suggests that it was Thomas Keller's idea to change the handles. Moreover, All Clad does not believe anything is wrong with its handle design
For example, Shun cutlery had a partnership with Alton Brown and launched the Alton Brown Shun knives which have an angled handle:
This is a request by Alton Brown because he believes an angled handle is better. This does not mean Shun cutlery believes it is the best. The Shun Classic line along with other series did not change their handle angle.
Yeah, the new handles are only on these pans. Which is a bit of a pity. But we know how wedded A-C is to their handle design. It's iconic! If by iconic you mean designed to instill hatred in half the cooks in the U.S.
If these new pans sell like hotcakes, A-C is likely to attribute sales to Keller's popularity, the rolled rim or the brushed finished, anything but the handles. TPTB might even think they sold well *in spite of* the new handle design.
In the video, Keller does say he chose the handles because they're "comfortable", which makes me think maybe he's not so keen on the "iconic" A-C handle.
I'm mostly with you, but for reasons of design, not ergonomics.
I made the decision to start my entire pots and pan collection over from scratch when I went induction about a year ago. From a design point of view, I liked the clean lines of A-C, and appreciated their system wide ergonomic solution for handles: they could be used as-is, or easily adapted with soft grip insulators. My 10" copper bottom Revere didn't work with induction, and the 8" was warped. I went with d5 and two 10" pans--one conventional and one nonstick. I preferred the simple d5 handles to the Reveres with their molded plastic built in handle covers.
I moved on.
My objection with saucepans was not ergonomics--it was price: I just couldn't accept paying more than $100 for a 2 qt. A-C saucepan with cover, brushed or reflecting. I didn't. I bought the more stylish Dansk Kobenstyle SS Tri Clad 2 qt. (which turned out to really be 2 1/2 qt!). It had a rounded handle similar to the W-S Thermo-clad. A few months later, I added the 1 1/2 qt. Thermo-clad because it was more stylish than the A-C d5, but it was a close call.
Even though ergonomic comfort was never an issue for me, we both would choose the same saucepans, I think.
<Even though ergonomic comfort was never an issue for me, we both would choose the same saucepans, I think.>
Yes, we would. Or I would now. When I bought my induction cookware, I decided to save money on saucepans. I chose Vollrath Optio, with thick disk bottoms. They work well, but I've had to give up my 6 quart sauté because the disk began to lose it's seal to the pan body. This was always the fear that kept me from disks before.
I like my saucepans, don't get me wrong. The thick base cooks beautifully. They're also cheap enough that most people would probably replace them if they delaminated. If my saucepans go the way of my big sauté, I'll go back to clad, likely a very thick 3-layer clad like Thermo-Clad, Vollrath Tribute or Zwilling Tru-Clad, or else one of the 5-ply pans, like Mauviel.
I'm hoping my sauté was a freakish one-off, but I'm not buying any more disk bottoms pans.
My bottom line is that with shapes and dimensions I really like, I'd have been cooking with All-Clad years ago, if weren't for those awful handles.
1. This is an homage/submission to Demeyere's concept of different constructions for different purposes.
2. The "copper" pieces seem to be the same construction as A-C Copper Core, i.e., not a lot of copper. They omitted the deceptive copper band and altered the shapes a bit.
3. The others are d5 (except the stocker), reshaped. What happened to d7? If it is All That, why wasn't it put into the mix?
4. Given the mix+match/purpose concept, a buyer could amass basically the same batterie with the existing A-C lines. Other than allowing you to pretend to be Keller, I'm not quite sure these are significantly different from A-C's other lines. Consumers are likely to be even more confused by the choices.
5. For what appears to be a premier line, they seem to have scrimped a little with the covers, attaching handles with only 2 rivets, etc.
6. I personally don't mind lollypop covers, but there're going to be many unhappy campers every time they spill condensation on their cooktops.
7. Some of the shapes and sizes are odd. IMO, the smaller sauce pots, sauteuse and rondeau are all too tall. The 8" fry pan is quite small.
8. The handles look quite short. Tossing in the sauteuse may be awkward. Handle comfort TBD, but could they possibly have made things worse? The loop handles still look undersized to me.
9. Even though they're expensive, IMO they should have either priced this line higher or the other lines lower.
10. The brushed finish is a good idea. Time will tell how popular this "industry" aesthetic is.
1. I had the same thought, but didn't want to clutter up my OP.
2-4. There is no "seem to be" about it. A-C is right up front that these pots are exactly the same composition as their existing CC, D5 and Tri-Ply lines. They say so on the photo.
5. All-clad doesn't use 3 rivets on anything, AFAIK. I agree that lollipop lids are cheap. They could have used D5 lids.
8. Take a look at another picture, the handles appear to be the same length as other A-C handles. Not short at all.
9. Seriously? We're analyzing where they fit into A-C's pricing?
10. Brushed finishes are my preference, too. No water spots or fingerprints and minor scratches don't show at all.
I think it's a TK handle made by A-C rather than an A-C handle. The lids seem goofy to me, and probably more expensive. But the cost doesn't matter, because this is for Keller. No doubt there will be people who want his collection at any price.
I don't see it as important because there are already a lot of alternatives for people who are particular about their handles. Why does it have to be All-Clad?
I happen to like my original A-C handles, especially on my small saucier. But even if I wanted a different handle this wouldn't work for me because the collection doesn't seem to include a small saucier. The right pan in the right size is the main thing, not the handle.
<I think it's a TK handle made by A-C rather than an A-C handle.>
Tomato-tomahto. A-C stamps "Emeril" on their other celeb line. This handle has the same "All-Clad" stamp as their eponymous lines.
<I don't see it as important because there are already a lot of alternatives for people who are particular about their handles. Why does it have to be All-Clad?>
Yes, there are other alternatives, which makes me happy. I see this line as an alternative to some of the others. In the past, All-Clad was out of the question, because of the damn handles. I passed up some pans I really liked. Now it's an option, however limited. That's a good thing, isn't it?
The saucier is 2 qts. On a small pan, 1-1.5 qts, the A-C handle doesn't bother me. But when there's weight, that's when they hurt.
This was helpful. In trying to look up more information on this line I discovered an All-Clad sale, and took the opportunity to add a 2-qt MC2 saucepan. With the original handle, of course. Thanks for the prompt.