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Is anyone going to boycott Market Basket?

My nearest MB is about a 25 minute drive so I would only go once a month to stock up on certain items. Now I don't feel like I should shop there until the unrest is resolved.

I was looking forward to the Waltham store opening, I wonder now what's going to happen. with that one.

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  1. Yes.

    It's a pain because it's the most convenient place for me to shop on foot (not to mention the best prices/products I like) but this current regime is not something I want to support.

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    1. re: LeoLioness

      ATD was the primary driving force behind the pricing philosophy at Market Basket. It is believed that prices will go up considerably if the new management sticks. It's an unfortunate (but fascinating) situation, with the workers caught in the middle.

    2. and shop where? MB is the cheapest. fuck the family drama. it has nothing to do with us

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      1. re: Locutus

        It's the cheapest... for now. I think the concerns are that the prices won't stay low if the new management is given free rein. Isn't there talk of unionizing? That'll drive prices up right there.

        1. re: Locutus

          It's not simply family drama. Workers make a decent wage and benefits thanks to Arthur T., and it's reflected in the shopping experience there. All that looks to be at risk now that he's been forced out. I don't shop at Wal-Mart for its exploitative labor practices; this seems to be nearing the same neighborhood.

          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

          1. re: MC Slim JB

            Perhaps. I am not going to boycott a store and pay more NOW over speculation that prices MAY go up LATER.. makes no sense to me.. It is all fear mongering and speculation.

            Also i really dont believe any company as large as MB is going to make a corporate decision like this based on online petition sites and facebook posts, so really getting sick of seeing them!

            1. re: hargau

              In my mind, the only reason to boycott would be to show solidarity with the employees if one thinks they have a legitimate beef. Since I do not shop at MB, though, I haven't taken the time to investigate and have no view on that. (There are other reasons I would boycott a store -- don't look for me at Hobby Lobby any time soon! -- but I haven't heard anything about MB other than a family dispute that makes me think there might be other reasons to support an MB boycott.)

        2. I know I don't know the whole story, and may be being duped, but I like the whole "Arthur T's a great guy, a man of the people" mythology, and will probably support the boycott, until I hear a strong opposing argument.

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          1. re: justbeingpolite

            Some of you may help me on remembering this: I don't want to make false accusations. I believe the winning De Moulas is the same man who tried to drive his disabled neighbor out of his Commonwealth Avenue condo so that he could expand his ownership to the whole townhouse. if yes, I wouldn't give his store a dime.

            1. re: teezeetoo

              Here's the info on that story. You may need a subscription.

              http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2011...

              Quote with your answer: "Those neighbors would be Michael and Frances (Demoulas) Kettenbach, best known for being on the losing side of the infamous and unseemly Demoulas family supermarket feud, also known as the 1990s Full Employment Act for Boston lawyers."

              Penny
              http://www.bostonzest.com/

              1. re: BostonZest

                Thank you for the link and the clarification. Family does seem to run to high drama.

          2. I don't go to MB all that often so the issue of me boycotting is moot. However, the current situation didn't happen in a vacuum.

            My understanding of the legal situation is this:

            2 brothers, Telemachus and George, bought the original MB from their dad. T&G had equal shares in the store and then expanded the franchise.

            G passed and G's kids thought they would inherit his 50% share. However, T (Arthur T. is one of of T's kids) had other ideas and allegedly started taking over G's kids' shares (Arthur S. is on of G's kids).

            Major lawsuits were filed in the 90s. Arthur S. filed suit against T. Huge scandals erupted including prominent lawyers being disbarred. For the record, it was T's lawyers who were ultimately disbarred. Regardless, Arthur S. won the lawsuit and was awarded 51% of the shares.

            Somehow, Arthur T (T's side) managed to keep control of the board. I *think* one of Arthur S's siblings sided with Arthur T. But, recently, someone switched back to Arthur S's side. Thus, Arthur S got control of the board, switched out members and Arthur T. lost power.

            I do think current management could have handled the protest better. And, imo, the disagreeing workers shouldn't have been fired. But, knowing the details of the disagreement has kept everything in perspective to me.

            Ultimately, I really hope that the philosophy of keeping prices on the less expensive side remains. And, it's really a shame that this long feud between cousins and siblings is effecting customers. But, Arthur T's side of the family is not without blame for the current situation.

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            1. re: beetlebug

              Thank you for this concise run-down of a bit more of the background on this dispute.

                1. re: black_lab

                  you mean I have to wait until tomorrow for the rest of the rundown?

                  what has the new regime done to their employees for them to put their jobs on the line and protest in mass over a long going family feud? And why is the outed CEO allowing them to do this on his behalf? He's a millionaire in a family with a dark sordid history. Sure he got out manuevered and got the shaft, but this whole blind loyalty protest thing - does anyone understand it?

            2. Yes, I've begun the boycott....and I miss the prices very much. I shopped at the Belmont Star Market instead.

              1. "Boycott" seems superfluous once the stores are not receiving produce, meat or dairy.

                1. I will stay away as things play out. This will be somewhat painful for me, as I live very close to the Somerville store. But I do not want to see ownership make changes to wring greater profits out of these stores. And I can't see any other reason they'd have taken such disruptive action to assume control.

                  1. Well after reading links provided by others and becoming more familiar. Yes I will boycott MB in solidarity with the employees taking such a huge stance.

                    1. Bottom line for me is that the stores were generally VERY well run, the prices and food were great. The employees were always very nice AND clearly liked working there.

                      Getting rid of a CEO who managed to accomplish all of that is problematic at best.

                      Though clearly there were issues on all sides of the Demoulas family in this long-running feud.

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                      1. re: StriperGuy

                        but are you going to answer the OP question? Will you continue to shop there, or shop elsewhere while this plays out?

                        1. re: Bellachefa

                          I guess I haven't decided yet. There actually was never one very convenient for me. Always a special trip. I guess not as likely I will go out of my way to hit it given the new developments.

                          Mostly I am more worried that 6 months from now it won't be WORTH going to any more. Just another crappy, overpriced supermarket.

                          1. re: StriperGuy

                            my b/f lives walking distance from the original fletcher st. store. it's his go-to market. i am now quite close to the newish chelmsford store, which is directly across the street from a more newish super stop & shop. the prices at the latter are dramatically higher on almost everything, unless meats are on-sale.

                            friends have sent me pix yesterday and today from other area mb's and the stores are basically empty. we can't shop if there is nothing to buy, lol.

                            it's clear the employees are picketing proactively but i don't see a snowball's chance in hell that the ousted arthur t. will be allowed to return. especially now.

                            so yeah, this time next year, this will be just another over-priced chain with miserable employees.

                            this area excels at family feuds one generation down the line. (berkowitz and saunders spring immediately to mind.) people are so damn greedy.

                            1. re: hotoynoodle

                              Don't forget the Charlie "Cronus Devours His Children" Sarkis.

                              http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                              1. re: MC Slim JB

                                yeah, but that was him being an utter bastard to his kids and ex-wife.

                              2. re: hotoynoodle

                                Didn't DeLuca's on Beacon Hill and the Back Bay also have family problems?

                                1. re: hotoynoodle

                                  The Fletcher St. store is a new store, not the original. What most people call the original was on Dummer St. before it was rebuilt. My family shopped at the store on Dummer St. before it was rebuilt, but even that may have only been the first Demoulas grocery store and not the first lamb market, etc.

                          2. downtown lowell just a few minutes ago.

                             
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                            1. re: hotoynoodle

                              Boycotting and attended the rally in Tewksbury this morning. David vs Goliath but I had to join. Love the Basket from all the way back to my childhood days in Somerville.

                            2. Yes. Was leaning in that direction & Jenny Ondioline's posts on the other Market Basket thread, combined with a walk through the Somerville store tonight (to see, not to buy) tipped the balance.

                              1. boycott a store because of change of management rather than bad behavior??

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                                1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                  In this case, the change of management IS bad behavior. The new CEOs and board of directors are setting up to line their own pockets while destroying the company, As others have said, perfectly legal, but sleazy as hell. I'm sure they had absolutely no idea employees and customers would react like this.

                                  1. re: Jenny Ondioline

                                    Sorry i still dont get it.. OK mb made a corporate CEO change.. So employees who claim to have great jobs they love with great benefits are now risking/losing their jobs because they *think* or *anticipate* changes that will hurt their benefits.. So they are now definitely losing their jobs/benefits to make sure they *might* not lost their jobs/benefits.. Nobody can say for sure what they are "setting up" for or doing.. As far as i have read, nobody has actually done anything yet but get rid of a person who they have a personal family feud with and lots of questionable history. Does not make a lot of sense to me. There is no way on earth they are going to reinstate the old ceo. They will just hire all new staff if they have to. I dont blame a company for firing managers/etc who tell their customers to boycott their stores and sabotage the business. I also have no problem firing people who refuse to do their jobs.

                                    1. re: hargau

                                      The threat of lost business and customer good will through work stoppage is the only negotiating tool available to most workforces.

                                      The intentions of the Arthur S. faction are pretty clear. Arthur T's opposition to some dramatic steps in this direction -- taking cash on hand that he would have used to invest in and expand the chain, fund worker pay and benefits, etc., and instead converting it to shareholder cash dividends -- is what led to Arthur T's firing.

                                      The workforce, which has resisted unionization as a token of its trust in Arthur T. looking out for them, is now using the only leverage it has at the only time it might make any difference. Waiting and seeing if new management follows through on its obvious strategy would be forfeiting that leverage to a future moment when it would be too little, too late.

                                      "Not doing your job" is the definition of this leverage: it normally is done under the aegis of union leadership that calls for a strike to bring management to the negotiating table. The only difference here is that no union is involved.

                                      Opposing labor's use of work stoppage is effectively giving management a blank check to always do whatever the hell it wants without any regard to worker concerns. Historically, that approach only goes well for workers if management is friendly to their interests. If that were routinely the case, unions wouldn't exist. The labor action reflects Market Basket rank-and-file's belief (pretty obviously justified, in my mind) that new management isn't looking out for anyone's interests but its own.

                                      http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                      1. re: MC Slim JB

                                        Management has a blank check to do whatever it wants at any privately held company as long as it is within the law. "pretty clear" i dont think is a reason to strike and the demand of hiring back an ousted ceo is ludicrous and none of their business. Perhaps they should demand contracts securing their wages/benefits that they *anticipate* changing or something more realistic. Even if they did rehire Arthur T do you really think there is anyway things with him could/would be the same again? Perhaps their best action is to fire anyone that doesnt return to work and hire new staff.. There are plenty of unemployed looking for work with supposed great pay and benefits. (that maybe might change someday) Call the police and have the now non-employees removed from the property. They cry that the ousting of the ceo is ruining the stores but they are the only ones i have seen ruining the stores. I dont see why it would be a problem to wait and see. If they change the pension plan, THEN protest and demand it change back. THAT would be much more likely to happen than to demand someone be put back as ceo. I am not familiar with strikes over things people thing might happen in the future.

                                        1. re: hargau

                                          I don't see anyone suggesting that Market Basket's management is doing anything illegal.

                                          Your arguments -- "Throw the bums out; plenty of other people wil take their jobs"; "Law and order!" -- are classic anti-labor ones.

                                          Some people are going to sympathize with a few millionaires making themselves incrementally richer at the expense of a large workforce and an even larger customer base. Some are going to sympathize with the workers, the rare executive who has tried to repay their loyalty with good wages and benefits, and the store atmosphere for customers that those factors have combined to create. Your call.

                                          The long-running history of the family feud and more recent developments are nicely summed up in these two profane, funny blog posts:

                                          http://gloucesterclam.com/2014/07/21/...

                                          http://gloucesterclam.com/2014/07/22/...

                                          Any way you look at it, a remarkable spectacle in an era of nearly unprecedented income inequality and setbacks for the labor movement.

                                          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                          1. re: MC Slim JB

                                            I have no problem sympathizing with a workforce/customer base if something has actually been done/proposed that will effect them. I dont sympathize over fear/anticipation of what could or might happen maybe ..To date all that has harmed those groups is themselves. I have seen zero impacts at the stores (except this) in fact they are building them bigger/better/nicer and closer to me than ever.

                                            1. re: hargau

                                              Those bigger / better / nicer stores were Arthur T's doing. You can expect to see no more of that under the current regime. Great customer service from happy staffers and low prices are two other casualties you can anticipate, too.

                                              I don't think you have to be a very close student of Market Basket's management's recent steps, Bain Capital-style corporate pillaging, or the histories of the executives Arthur S. has brought in to replace Arthur T. to see the writing on the wall here. Again, if their labor force doesn't act now, by the time its suspicions of the obvious are confirmed, it will be too late to do anything about it.

                                              http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                              1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                again, all anticipation. All i see now are employees assuring an outcome now, that they anticipated might happen in the future.

                                                I wonder if ever in the history of protests has anyone ever protested for the change of a ceo like this and not specific demands regarding their own contracts. I have never heard of such a thing.. I wonder what % of the people protesting even know who Arthur T is and what % are kids/families going along with their friends. Like the ridiculous videos that were posted during the whole "occupy" thing where they would interview protesters asking about what they were protesting and then got crazy answers.

                                                1. re: hargau

                                                  One man's speculation is another's conclusion that if you drop a stone, it's going to hit the earth in a moment or two.

                                                  In suggesting the protests are some simple-minded bandwagon thing, I think you underestimate the genuine affection and loyalty that Arthur T inspires in his workers. When you look at what he's done for them, and how rare that is in modern corporate America, it's not hard to understand.

                                                  http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com

                                                  1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                    "One man's speculation is another's conclusion that if you drop a stone, it's going to hit the earth in a moment or two." Couldn't possibly have said it better. There's reserving judgment, and then there's being #!$%*# obtuse.

                                                  2. re: hargau

                                                    Hargau,

                                                    To my mind, you just named the most compelling reason to boycott MB. The economy is far from recovered for a lot of folks. The fact that people are risking their livelihoods to support an Arthur T-led business model is impossible for me to ignore. You're right--it is like nothing I've ever seen either, particularly in a non-union corporation.

                                                    1. re: pinehurst

                                                      "The economy is far from recovered"

                                                      And yet we're in the midst of the next big economic boom and the next big economic downturn is likely but a few years away

                                                    2. re: hargau

                                                      what is your theory as to the genesis of the protests if not the esteem from Arthur T? I have talked to some people who are in business with MB; they are capitalists but sympathize with the workers and Arthur T. whom is widely considered to have been an excellent CEO.

                                                      1. re: hargau

                                                        The new co-heads have DISMAL records. When Gooch left Radio Shack, a business journal (sorry, I heard this on the radio and can't recall which one) heralded it as the best opportunity for RS to revive its deteriorating share of the market. Thornton was part of the management of Albertson's and Kroger during a period when those chains went downhill. Given those CVs, it's understantable that MB workers and managers don't want these people in charge.

                                                      2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                        Exactly, and a perfect example of how hesitation kills.
                                                        Most people find it easy to become complacent and wait it out, and then find it's to late to do anything when the curtain calls.
                                                        These employees making a stand can see the writing on the wall loud and clear, and are taking the action now and have my support even though management is not doing anything unlawful.
                                                        The new regime has no real vision for the future, and while they line their pockets with cash, Artie T. Will benefit too as he is still a major share holder in this.
                                                        It wouldn't surprise me if he bought some of the stores back, or picked up some grocery stores closing and started all over again.
                                                        There are locations that the new regime does not have total control of, but I'm not going to go into those details here.

                                                        1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                          I have to say, I did some demos at some of the new bigger/better/nicer stores a few months ago. They all have these gorgeous little demo stations, with more appliances built in than most galley kitchens. When I mentioned how pleasant it was to work in, the employee showing me around, with obvious pride, said, "These are Arthur's personal design!"

                                                      3. re: MC Slim JB

                                                        In a way this whole situation could be seen as a life lesson for observers in similar situations: put your trust in one boss to "provide" for you, and you're at the mercy of his or her fortunes. The MB workers would probably have been better off unionized....

                                                        1. re: calisson

                                                          Yes they would but, the former management team was very fair to the workers that allowed them to be successful They were happy, the management was happy win, win. Remember, unless you are running a one man show, you need to treat the people that got you there with a bit of respect The new team is only looking for cash in their pockets. Everyone knows that. Hopefully the new team will take the buyout offer.

                                                      1. re: StriperGuy

                                                        As far as i can tell the demand they are making is that Artie T be reinstated and everything be just like it was before. From my experience in life/corporations i feel this is as crazy as asking for new stores to be opened on mars. Like i said before, if they are worried about specific wages/benefits than they should be making specific demands regarding them. But thats fine, i am often "off base"

                                                        1. re: hargau

                                                          Yes, that's their demand, which would function as an opening offer to negotiations. So far they don't have a negotiating partner, and that's the first thing that needs to change.

                                                          1. re: jajjguy

                                                            If the boycott is successful what is the result? Is there a competitor that provides similar wages/benefits?

                                                            Restaurants and other service providers should pay their staff a fair wage and fair benefits. Shifting this burden and expectation to the customer via a tip wage short shifts these workers and effectively allows restaurants to under report revenue. In return the employee gets a stipend and a promise and in today's economy a lower % on a lower meal spend.

                                                            Boycott away. Power to the people.

                                              2. I will definitely boycott them. Arthur T (the CEO who was kicked out) was doing a great job - better than average margin for the company, great prices and quality for consumers, and good jobs for the people who worked there. What's going on now is a perfect example of what can go wrong when a few individuals are motivated by greed and revenge.

                                                We do get to vote with our dollars, though. This afternoon I stopped by Hannafords in Walthm instead of making a trip to the Burlington MB.

                                                  1. The Lowell/Chelmsford MB is my store, but I will boycott and support the protesting workers in any way I can. MC Slim JB is spot on with his historical perspective and modern-day comparisons (e.g., Bain Capital). Do we really want to live in a society when CEOs are allowed to slash and burn for the sake of a quick buck? Should we wait until the chain is liquidated and thousands more are out of work? Not that a boycott will turn things around, but at least a good fight will be fought. Do the right thing.

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                                                    1. re: Dinsdale45

                                                      Never mind the fact that the only reason that there is anything worth slashing and burning is due to the superb management of Arthur T over many years.

                                                    2. When workers care so much about their company that they risk being fired to help their former bosses, I support that.

                                                      This isn't a union striking but workers striking for their bosses. I've only seen that a few times.

                                                      1. Boycotting, heck yes. I also attended the rally in Tewksbury on Monday. Just drove past Burlington and the parking lot was freakishly empty. Maybe David can slay Goliath.

                                                        1. Thanks everyone who provided informative links, here and on the other thread, to help others get a better grasp of the situation. Gordon Gecko, Mitt Romney, it is all becoming much more clear.

                                                          It takes a lot of courage.

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                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                            Yes, thanks. The best of this board beats most news sources by a mile.

                                                          2. Hargau,
                                                            It's kinda like a venture capitalist bought the company. Strip and sell. Goodbye local jobs. Goodbye good grocery store. Legal, but much of what has led to the downfall of good companies in our great company.

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                                                              1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                Here, private equity is seeking venture capital. It may not work if the brand's too damaged to leverage.

                                                                1. re: pocketviking

                                                                  The term venture capital is not at all relevant to what is going on at MB. The concept of taking operating capital, perhaps supplemented by a large debt offering, to make large (perhaps crippling) payments to management/investors to the detriment of the long term health of the entity is something out of the private equity play book and has nothing to do with a venture capital model, i.e an infusion of cash to accelerate growth. The two are essentially opposites.

                                                                  1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                    Ok, so Warren Buffet isn't going to scoop up Market Basket the way he did Jordan's Furniture - that sure isn't what the current board's after anyway. Apologies for the blowhard post.

                                                            1. some interesting history, warning not for those offended by "bad" language. http://gloucesterclam.com/2014/07/21/...

                                                              and the 2nd part
                                                              http://gloucesterclam.com/2014/07/22/...

                                                              1. Proudly boycotting to support the workers. If we support the workers we'll continue to get the awesome customer service and great savings. IF we break them and back the new regime, 1: those brave folks are going to lose their jobs, and 2: the new regime witll sell off the company and We'll be paying Hannoford prices, with no customer service.

                                                                1. Yes. I only do a major shopping trip once a month, and won't need another until early August. So at this time it's moot but unless there is a solution acceptable to the employees by the next time I grocery shop, from now on it'll be just what are currently my pop-in stores, Hannaford and TJ's.

                                                                  I worked in a huge business for over 2 decades, so I appreciate how rare it is to have a company run by management that actually cares about the quality of life of their employees. I could not in good conscience patronize a chain I *know* puts shareholder profit before the health of the company and the livelihood of its workforce.

                                                                  1. If anyone on this board wants and can afford to do something easy and helpful beyond boycotting, maybe go buy some bottled water & packs of salty food and deliver to picketers outside your local store. Just did this during lunch hour, inspired by the high temperature. Black-top is brutal right now.

                                                                    Shaw's, by the way, has some great bargains on bottled water & I had extraordinary customer service - shocking change from the norm.

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                                                                    1. re: pocketviking

                                                                      Great idea! I think I will go to Costco (which treats its employees well) and get some water and snacks for the picketers. Too late to do it today but perhaps tomorrow or Friday?

                                                                      1. re: pocketviking

                                                                        I was thinking this exact thing when I got my delivery from Crescent Ridge this morning, that I should have added some bottled water to do just this.

                                                                        1. re: Chris VR

                                                                          These employees are receiving no pay, truly amazing and very loyal, give them a few bucks as well.

                                                                      2. There is a major rally planned at the Tewksbury STORE - 10 Main St., the one at the junction of 38 and 495 - at 9am Friday 7/25. http://wearemarketbasket.com/

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                                                                          1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                            Second best outcome, I think. Best would be it becoming an employee-owned company.

                                                                            1. re: Jenny Ondioline

                                                                              Third option: Arthur T. faction sells out its interest and buys another chain.

                                                                              http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                              1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                Third option, Pt. Ii: Artie T. faction then creates an employee-owned company.

                                                                                1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                  I would LOVE to see MB become employee owned. Arthur T buying it out could be a step on that path. After, he's learned what can happen with family-owned companies. There could be a plan that gradually lets employees get the stock.

                                                                            2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                              Here is an interesting summary of past dealings. I really doubt they will negotiate with Artie T given the history.. http://www.bostonbusinessdivorce.com/...

                                                                              1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                I think with his being becoming public, the deal is probably close to done. ATD most likely has all his resources ready.

                                                                                1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                  It sure would make a hefty payday for the outgoing interim co CEO's for a months work. I'm sure they have a HUGE buyout clause.

                                                                                2. Private businesses can chart whatever course they feel is best for their companies.
                                                                                  What is a "boycott" going to do in the big picture. Boycotting Government programs/agencies are much more effective, but that rarely happens. Something about "free stuff".

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                                                                                  1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                    Nobody is suggesting MB management can't do what they're doing. The issue is that their charted course looks best for a handful of already-wealthy shareholders, and bad for a huge number of employees and customers. The employees are using the only negotiating tools at their disposal: costing the company some revenue and customer goodwill.

                                                                                    But feel free to root for the side of the greedier millionaires, instead of the millionaire who took care of his employees a little bit.

                                                                                    http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                    1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                      Sure they can, but if a company charts a bad course, no one's obligated to support it. In this case, all a boycott means is voting with our government-issued dollars.

                                                                                      1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                        Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is a good or appropriate thing to do. A corporation is property. Property owners control or dispose of their property in a way that they expect will meet their goals. However, especially in the case of corporations, shareholders are NOT the only people who are affected by decisions about that property. Hence the current situation, and why certain decisions may be legal but at the same time harmful to the greater community.

                                                                                        1. re: PinchOfSalt

                                                                                          PinchOfSalt wrote:<<Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is a good or appropriate thing to do. A corporation is property.>>

                                                                                          According to our nation's highest court, corporations are people! (I am not sure how that applies here, but I couldn't resist.)

                                                                                          I agree with you that "legal" does not mean good for the community. If only there were some stronger correlation.

                                                                                        1. re: hargau

                                                                                          It's inevitable that a great deal of perishables will lose its shelf life. We new that a week ago when delivery drivers and dock employees called in sick. Collateral damage like this is to be expected.

                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                            This is not food that lost its shelf life. Corporate has been hiring 3rd party trucking companies to bring trucks of fresh/new food to stores. Protestors have been blocking deliveries from reaching the docks and this driver made the bad decision to leave the trailer in the parking lot where it was too far from the dock to be plugged in.. 90 degrees yesterday and the board of health ordered it all thrown into the dumpster.

                                                                                                1. re: hargau

                                                                                                  No one'e blocking anything in my area - employees are just absent. Big difference. Picketers are kind to employees who can't afford to not work, and to shoppers who need MB prices/proximity. If "corporate" - whatever/whomever that means now- was expecting otherwise in Danvers, they're just demonstrating their level of competence.

                                                                                                  1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                                    most are. The key to that statement i think is "my area" Facebook is full of hundreds of posts calling anyone who is working a "scab" and stories of picketers harassing shoppers as well. One person was sitting in his car taking a phone call before going in to sign a petition and picketers came to his car and started calling him a "thug" and demanded he show them ID!? There are some crazy stories.. I have also seen photos of loading docks being blocked with cars, picketers or rows of shopping carriages.. In this case the driver should never have left the truck that was refused but my understanding is they are being paid like $1200-1500 a day to drop these trucks so im thinking that may have effected his poor decision..

                                                                                                    1. re: hargau

                                                                                                      I just reported what I've seen at my local MB. There are enough eyes on this board to check out every MB - and maybe some fault will be found w/protesters. That said, relying on "social media," especially in a dirty fight like this, is senseless.

                                                                                                        1. re: hargau

                                                                                                          Yes. Log out and bring back some boots-on-the ground reporting.

                                                                                        2. Yes, and hoping that Arthur T., will be successful in his attempt at buying MB.

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                                                                                          1. re: mcel215

                                                                                            I hope so, too. The last time I recall a bigwig getting so much public and employee support, it was Aaron Feuerstein, who paid his workers' salaries during the months it took to rebuild Malden Mills (maker of Polartec fleece fabrics)after a major fire. Sadly, the Feuersteins eventually lost control of the business and had to sell. Massachusetts can be proud to have two such honorable, compassionate corporate citizens!

                                                                                            1. re: greygarious

                                                                                              he didn't pay the salaries. malden mills paid the salaries. which eventually bankrupted the company 2 or 3 times.

                                                                                              1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                Seeing as he owned Malden Mills outright he paid the salaries. And also you have no idea what you are talking about. The reason Malden Mills eventually went bankrupt was super cheap knockoffs from China NOT the righteous act of paying his employees during the recovery period after the fire. Do your homework, know the issues.

                                                                                                  1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                    i do know what i'm talking about. he bankrupted the company. but he has folk hero status. i can see why. but he's the one that bankrupted it.

                                                                                                    1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                      Seriously, do some homework. From a rather definitive article on the matter, and the conclusion:

                                                                                                      "But the radical reduction of textile prices because of international labor markets makes any survival of American textile manufacturing something of a miracle. This market situation, not his kind heart, is what ended Feuerstein’s run as a textile industry leader."

                                                                                                      And here is the whole article:

                                                                                                      http://ethix.org/2011/06/25/was-aaron...

                                                                                                      1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                        i get that he's considered a hero by many. but his actions directly contributed to the bankruptcies. he didn't pay them out of his pocket. if he had, the mill might not have closed.

                                                                                                        1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                          It was a privately-held company so in fact HE DID pay them out of his pocket, it was his company.

                                                                                                          Pretty much just as the company was getting back up to speed, post-fire is when the Chinese onslaught in the entire garment industry happened. Prices dropped massively. Fire or not, like so many other U.S.-based manufacturing industries, Malden Mills could not compete with Chinese labor costs.

                                                                                                          Go do a little homework and talk to one of the two or three remaining garment companies in Fall River, MA. I had just such a conversation with the owner of this company 2 months ago:

                                                                                                          Precision Sportswear Inc.
                                                                                                          54 Front Street
                                                                                                          Fall River Ma 02721-4302

                                                                                                          In the late 1990s Fall River went from having more than 100 garment related manufacturing companies to maybe 5 today.

                                                                                                          You can call Feuerstein a dope if it makes you happy, but it just isn't the truth of the matter.

                                                                                                          1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                            Malden Mills still exists though I'm not sure if it's still called that. I've bought way more remnants from them, back when they had a retail outlet and semi-annual warehouse salces, than I should have. Much of that fabric was made for military uniforms, including "digital camo" as they called the pattern we see on American soldiers serving in combat in the Middle East. It was recently announced that that design is being replaced by a different camouflage pattern, which may mean increased orders from the Lawrence mill.
                                                                                                            The retail store was owned by Mrs. Feuerstein and remained operating for a time, beyond her husband's stepping down. Some months after it closed, its employees established a store and online presence as Mill Direct Textiles, still selling yardage and remnants to the public. The store recently closed but they still sell online.
                                                                                                            The Polartec fabrics are to typical fabric store fleece what artisanal sourdough loaves are to Wonder Bread.

                                                                                                            1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                              Totally agree that the Polartec products were far superior to the Chinese stuff, but 80% of the market didn't care and the Chinese stuff kept getting better.

                                                                                                              1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                                A marketing issue, in part. I don't think most of the American public knew that Polartec comes in thicker versions than what's available at JoAnn's Fabric, and in versions that breathe, wick, and/or shed water. I was buying it to make the coats that are literally a matter of life and death to rescued greyhounds in Spain, living in unheated kennels in winter.

                                                                                                            2. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                              i never called him a dope. but his actions directly contributed to the demise of the company. i understand you feel differently.

                                                                                                  2. re: greygarious

                                                                                                    Yes...re. grey and Striper...I believe he could have pocketed quite a bit of insurance money, too, but used it to pay his workers.

                                                                                                1. I drove past the Wilmington store this afternoon; there were a couple dozen workers holding signs and cheering when passers-by honked their support. Some were on the sidewalk at the store entrance, others at the Rt 38 curbline. There were also people holding signs that identified themselves as MB customers who are boycotting. All the signs were handmade.

                                                                                                  I was at Calareso's produce market in Reading, playing a "Spot the MB Refugees" in my head. It was pretty clear who the newbies were, from their dismayed expression as they picked through the fruits and veg, most of which were a good deal higher than MB (e.g., $1.19/# for loose Yukon Gold potatoes, $3.99/# shallots). On the other hand 59 cents/ear for their topnotch corn (Hadley, MA, picked today) is not out of line with MB, to the best of my recollection. Calareso employees reported a definite uptick in customer volume all week.

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                                                                                                  1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                    Grey,

                                                                                                    I shop in Calareso's in the summer for all my produce even though they are higher in price. I shop for just myself, so luckily I can afford the higher price a little more.

                                                                                                    I feel so bad for the MB shoppers who have whole families to feed and don't have that option.

                                                                                                    Another place I shop is TJ's, so I am not as dependent on MB as some people are.

                                                                                                    One of my co-workers was telling me of Lucci's in Wilmington, Ma. She said they have a sign up for MB employees, they are offering a 10 per cent discount for them. They just need to bring in a recent pay stub.

                                                                                                    www.saffron215.blogspot.com

                                                                                                      1. re: mcel215

                                                                                                        Though I used to pass Lucci's every day on my work commute, I never shopped there until I had an injury that involved using a crutch. The small store size and easy parking was very helpful. To my surprise, I found the prices for the most part comparable to Market Basket. Fewer choices, but perfectly adequate, and the generous fillings on the deli section's sandwiches are legendary.

                                                                                                        Very nice people at Lucci's. The guys in the meat department are as knowledgeable and helpful as those in stand-alone butcher shops.

                                                                                                        1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                          I am going to go on Sunday morning, and do my grocery shopping there. Might as well give them the business, I'm not a fan of Stop & Shop.

                                                                                                          www.saffron215.blogspot.com

                                                                                                      2. re: greygarious

                                                                                                        Customers. I wonder if the new management at MB has given the people who pay the bills a serious thought? Doing errands in the Chelmsford/Westford area this past weekend, I saw several scenes that showed how the MB mess is creating disruption. I do like seeing small businesses like my local farmstand and butcher get a bump in business.

                                                                                                        But dIsplaced MB customers who may not have known there was an Arthur T. or an Arthur S. before know it now. It's no longer a "family affair" now that the ripple effects have spilled into towns in visible ways. (One example: delivery truck arriving to restock the Rt. 3 Stop & Shop on a Sunday afternoon vs. an empty MB parking lot on the opposite side of the street.) Before last week, I wasn't sure what to make of the situation and now MB has lost my goodwill. I feel for the workers, anyone who depends on the low prices, and suppliers who might be struggling with revenue loss.

                                                                                                        1. re: tomatotomato

                                                                                                          It's pretty weak to be caving in after a week?

                                                                                                          I'm glad the MB workers and true customers have stronger power will than you!

                                                                                                          1. re: Infomaniac

                                                                                                            Hmmm, maybe I wasn't clear? I am absolutely not caving in. I meant that before last week, I didn't know what this was all about. Now I can observe the effects out in the community. My sympathy is for the workers and my goodwill is gone for MB as a business under the current executive management.

                                                                                                            I agree with you that it would be weak if I were caving in already but please know I'm not! :-)

                                                                                                      3. So who gets the book deal?

                                                                                                        "The Church of Artie T"

                                                                                                        However today or the coming days play out, the behind the scenes maneuvering is amazing. How does a non unionized group of employees come together in solidarity so quickly and put their jobs on the line? Who are the puppeteers? I am intrigued by the backstory, while I root for the underdogs - the employees.

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                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                          It truly is an amazing phenomenon. Really fascinating to watch and participate in, even passively by shopping elsewhere.

                                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                            Why do there need to be puppeteers? The employees like their work, and like their boss. It bums them out when he gets pushed aside...

                                                                                                            1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                              Judging from social media, the "protesters are just puppets or paid actors" trope is one of the Arthur S. faction's attempts to dismiss the widespread employee and customer support for the Arthur T. faction.

                                                                                                              If you know a single person who has ever worked at Market Basket, you know that's an obvious lie.

                                                                                                              http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                                              1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                                Fine, you didn't like the word puppeteer. But it takes a certain amount of leadership from somewhere and funds from somewhere to plan and execute such courage and solidarity. People didn't walk out on their jobs blindly and overnight. Signs, busses etc all cost money. Whether it is a grassroots effort of a dozen people, it was an inner circle that inspired and got the ball rolling.

                                                                                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                  There's an obvious pejorative connotation to "puppeteers and puppets", as in "manipulators of things that have no will of their own". That's rather different from saying "organizers and participants". Many of the people making that particular pejorative choice are Arthur S. partisans.

                                                                                                                  http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                                                  1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                    Exactly. MB employees have been braced for this confrontation for quite some time and aren't fighting for Artie T. out of blind loyalty. He's proven himself to be an excellent advocate for MB workers while enriching himself and other shareholders. MB employees want to keep what they've got. Walmart benefits, anyone?

                                                                                                                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                      Honestly, if you think some of the current events have not been orchestrated by certain members of the Market Basket family you are naive. As soon as Evans switched the power there have been months of manipulating and maneuvering before tossing Arthur T out on his arse.

                                                                                                                      The employees had months of grassroots break room discussions to rally the troops, when the writing was on the wall. And to do that, takes charismatic leaders to help them understood that as things progress, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't stand up.

                                                                                                                      The S contingent didn't pull the two Gordon Geckos out of their arse the week before they dumped A~T, to replace him. They were vetted, and carefully chosen with serious negotiations.

                                                                                                                      A~T didn't make an overnight decision to try to buy out the S's

                                                                                                                      And major corporations didn't come up with a quick offer to buy them out overnight.

                                                                                                                      Color me jaded, but these things do not happen overnight. People do not walk away from what is currently a good job, when they cannot collect benefits and feed their families. Corporations do not pull billion dollar offers out of their ass overnight.

                                                                                                                      So, you might not like the term puppeteer. And I didn't pull it off of social media or the Arthur S team - I pulled it out of my tiny little brain. This was not orchestrated overnight. A certain number of people have been working this for many months.

                                                                                                                      In my opinion....

                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                        Nobody is suggesting that this all happened spontaneously overnight. I object to what I consider a pejorative characterization of employee leadership of the action and the rank-and-file.

                                                                                                                        http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                                                        1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                          Because you continue to choose to accuse me of making pejorative characterizations, and accuse me of being on the Arthur S bandwagon is insulting at the least. There are people pulling strings, people manipulating, people orchestrating, people organizing on both sides of this fight. So why start a fight with me because you choose to interpret the word puppeteer to suit your opinion. You are arguing with me about a word that in your opinion was an insult, when I have said it is not. I've read a good bit of your professional writing and trust me you have many times used what I find poorly chosen words. But I don't scold or correct you. In your line of work, you should know better that words and definitions are fluid.

                                                                                                                          Consider I don't do twitter/facebook/instagram of any of the current social media other then a few chat lines, I resent your implication that my use of a word came from the Arthur S team. Which would mean you were implying that I was a puppet in the social media firestorm. The truth couldn't be farther away.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                            Relax: nobody accused you of anything. I just noted that your characterization also happens to be used by the Arthur S. people.

                                                                                                                            You are welcome to assert that your usage isn't pejorative; I'm sticking to my opinion that it is.

                                                                                                                            http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                                                        2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                          Though I found it very interesting late last week when I got my pile of weekly circulars in the mailbox and discovered there was none from MB. Now, I didn't expect much in the way of sales promotions, but I was rather gobsmacked that the Powers That Be did not use the opportunity for FREE, unmediated, communication with their customers (who tend to be the kind of people who do NOT throw away the MB circular but read it each week). My reaction: wow, they either don't care about their customers, or don't know what they are doing - or some mixture of both.

                                                                                                                          I am not aware of any news folks who caught onto this omission - which omission would serve to indicate how far news folks are from the customer base of MB, btw.

                                                                                                                      2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                        People talk and organize. It doesn't require a conspiracy or outside money, just some motivated people to push and pull others in their group into participation.

                                                                                                                        My reading is the firing of some stirred up more employees who might otherwise have stayed neutral. Made them fear for the future.

                                                                                                                  2. there is additional consequence to stores that share plazas with the now empty market baskets: many of these businesses rely on the convenience of being in close proximity to a very busy mb. sales for some have dropped off precipitously, whether it's a liquor store or a card shop.

                                                                                                                    let's try keeping those small merchants in mind too as we vote with our feet and shop with our conscience.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                        sure there is a lot of collateral damage. A friend of mine is a truck driver for a trucking company that does nothing but drive MB water around. They are not related to mb though, separate company. They have told him not to come to work again until further notice as all the stores are refusing his deliveries.

                                                                                                                      2. wbur was just interviewing some workers at the huge tewksbury protest today. one deli manager, who has been with the company 30+ years, makes $80k, plus will get a huge pay-out when he retires. i can see being afraid to lose that with your golden years not far away.

                                                                                                                        1. What's remarkable about all this is that historically the Arthur T. side screwed the Arthur S. side, knowingly committed major frauds on the court, etc.

                                                                                                                          The workers etc. are supporting the side that was loyal to them but disloyal to its own family.

                                                                                                                          Oh the irony.

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                                                                                                                          1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                                                                            That's really beside the point. Arthur T.'s FATHER, not Arthur T., cheated his widowed sister-in-law and her children. If Lee Harvey Oswald had had children, would you blame them for killing JFK? By all accounts, Arthur T. fell quite far from the apple tree, and is an honorable employer.

                                                                                                                            1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                              Yes. MB *used* to *not* treat its workers so well, back in the day. The stores used to be dodgy in divers ways. For better or worse, Artie T's recent leadership has given us an unusual value supermarket chain that whose workers were noticeably more chipper than those of its competitors, with larger more spacious new generation stores, and a reputation for quality produce and fish that was founded on high turnover driven by good pricing and selection by buyers. MB has regularly been in the top five chains by Consumer Reports, along with Wegmans (which operates in a different market segment: that is, it's not a value-oriented segment, but a value-add market segment, as it were).

                                                                                                                              It's only been a matter of time for the controlling faction to force the issue of how it gets cashed out.

                                                                                                                              1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                Arthur T. I believe was in cahoots with the lawyers who approached Judge Maria Lopez's clerk with the fake job interview, which ultimately led to them being disbarred. True that the father screwed his borther's widow initially, but it was under Arthur T. that the screwing came to light.

                                                                                                                              1. re: wonderwoman

                                                                                                                                from that link:

                                                                                                                                "The Arthur S. side of the family alone had received more than $500 million after taxes in dividends in the preceding 12 years, he said, "and it's not enough."

                                                                                                                                $500 million for people NOT involved in day-to-day operations. just. staggering. avarice.

                                                                                                                              2. Never been a fan so their recent problems are not disturbing. If the recent allegations of not paying locked down employees for their lunch, turn out to be true, I would hope that many boycott this place.

                                                                                                                                1. If the store sells to Arthur T he will have a substantial debt and interest to pay = higher prices.

                                                                                                                                  Other buyers might include Wal-mart. They can't site stores in the Boston Area because of union and progressive opposition. If they buy all or some of MB they get the business and the real estate and the right to open a Wal-mart and operate it. Also MB beats the pants off WM on price and quality.

                                                                                                                                  Also Wegmans wants to expand in Massachusetts. They could be a buyer.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: mrgrunko

                                                                                                                                    Market Basket has been supporting the equivalent of a "debt load" in the form of payouts to the "Arthur S." side of the family, so if Arthur T. were to have to borrow to finance a buyout of his cousins, that money would just be shifted to the banks. It would not necessarily make the underlying finances of the business more precarious or lead to higher prices at the register.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: owades

                                                                                                                                      You took the words out of my mouth.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: mrgrunko

                                                                                                                                      I doubt Walmart buys a headache like this.

                                                                                                                                    3. Not boycotting but I am staying away. Effect is the same but reasons differ. I don't want to run into any potential drama at the stores and I don't want to have to run to multiple stores because MB wasn't stocked with what I need. Plenty stores nearby for me. MB is my favorite and I feel for the employees. But I think its a loosing battle for them.

                                                                                                                                      1. The Somerville store was almost completely empty yesterday (Sunday) around 5pm, which is normally peak crazy crowded. There were signs supporting Arthur T posted on the front door and on the outdoor specials board. Demonstrates that the current management aren't really in charge, if they can't even control the signage.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: jajjguy

                                                                                                                                          Store managers and district managers are with the workers, for the most part. It's basically everybody versus the board of directors, at this point.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: jajjguy

                                                                                                                                            The Somerville lot is still almost completely empty (did a drive-by on a circuitous route to WF). Am concerned that media attention has flagged - this board included. If our region can't sustain a just labor protest which benefits consumers as well as workers, this country's screwed.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                                                                              Boston Globe is reporting that all offers have been withdrawn with the exception of Arthur T's. The board met again last night. Negotiations continue "24/7." None of us can do much at this point except wait for a bunch of rich folks to negotiate and decide if I get "my" store back.

                                                                                                                                              Pained me to buy some staples elsewhere this week. More money; less quality.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: smtucker

                                                                                                                                                It's also being reported that Rafaela Evans Demoulas is in town, and she is the key to this whole mess.
                                                                                                                                                She is the one who switched sides to Artie S., and probably looking for a quick liquidation, and be wealthy and free of the ties to Market Basket.

                                                                                                                                                She started this mess and can end it.

                                                                                                                                                Hopefully she realizes she made a mistake siding with Artie S. and sells her shares to Artie T. so we can put this all to bed.

                                                                                                                                                The fate of Market Basket could be in her hands.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Infomaniac

                                                                                                                                                  Oh!!! Can we send her homemade cookies as a bribe?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Infomaniac

                                                                                                                                                    The problem is she's a shareholder not a director. Unless a director resigns or term expires soon, a switch by her would not necessarily get reflected at the director level soon.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Karl S

                                                                                                                                                      However, if she sold her 10% to Arthur T, it would be over and done. Clearly, she wants to cash out which is why she went with Arthur S last year.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Infomaniac

                                                                                                                                                      if it were me, i would totally take the offer and cut and run, but this whole mess is so many decades of personal grudges i doubt the outcome will be swift. death by 1000 cuts here.

                                                                                                                                              2. drove through chelmsford, rte 110, around 6:30, peak shopping time. the giant mb parking lot had about 20 cars but a couple kids in ties (!) picketing on the highway. the super s&s lot across the road was jammed to the gills.

                                                                                                                                                1. I have been boycotting it since this started, as I support the fact the employees are looking to NOT have their store sold off to a conglomerate, be forced to unionize if that happens (which they don't need, as they're doing better than a union shop as it relates to pay and benefits) and that they really appreciate their former CEO and what he does for them.

                                                                                                                                                  I've got a store about a mile down the road from my home; and another I frequent opposite a Hannafords on the Tewksbury/Lowell line (where the big rallies have been held). I often shop at the Hannafords anyway, so I'm not at a loss when I go in there, but I'm shopping farmers markets, farm stands, and Hannafords and Whole Foods in Andover until this is over. (Hopefully today!)

                                                                                                                                                  I drive past the East Street headquarters/warehouse daily, and the associates are out in full force with Artie T. signs, and appreciate all the honking from passersby.

                                                                                                                                                  The "Save Market Basket" group on Facebook gives things from an associate point of view. They're (mostly) respectful, although they've been pretty derisive of the recent PR debacles from the new PR firm, O'Neill & Associates. There's also a "Customers of Market Basket" group.

                                                                                                                                                  1. Monkey Knife Fight's Market Basket protest anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4UUr...

                                                                                                                                                    ETA: Note the cute-but-chubby dog, who is clearly bored by refrains!

                                                                                                                                                    1. Made it to Slate:
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.slate.com/articles/busines...

                                                                                                                                                      The "more for your dollar" slogan really hit home for me after a trip to Star Market the other day. I spent my usual amount and felt like I came home with barely enough food for the next few days. Hitting Trader joes and the Farmer's market today. It takes a lot of shopping to compensate for Market Basket.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                          This is basically what i predicted from the start. There are plenty of unemployed people out there and if they are going to offer people similar salaries/benefits to what the current people now have, they will have little problem filling the positions.. Whether it sells eventually or those benefits otherwise go away has yet to be seen. Customers can say they will continue to boycott and i am sure some will but many will come for the deals or to the store that is convenient to them.

                                                                                                                                                          I think the long time / older employees who really have something to lose will be returning. On my passes by the westford and leominster mbs in the past week I have seen mostly teenagers out front.

                                                                                                                                                          I still say that having the demand of the return of a hated/rival family member with so much history as ceo was not a realistic one. Protesting for contracts or some sort of guarantees on benefits or wages would have been more feasible. We are talking about a family that has already lost hundreds of millions in legal fees for their inability to get along with each other..

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                            I guess we'll see how many show up at the job fair.

                                                                                                                                                            As for who you've seen outside the couple of MBs you've driven past, that differs a LOT from what I've seen passing by Wilmington MB #3 and Tewksbury #22 and Reading #61. Empty parking lots, and a combination of managers, cashiers, baggers, and other store employees.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                              Curious how do you tell their positions from driving by?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                good luck finding 25,000 people that don't side with mb and know what they're doing....also, this doesn't take into account the consumer.

                                                                                                                                                                i'm so pumped by how the workers are organzing

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                                                                                  I'm even more impressed by the breadth, depth and durability of customer solidarity.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Karl S

                                                                                                                                                                    it's the people foregoing a paycheck that impress me. i can shop somewhere else and pay a bit more. i don't know how these people are doing it. hats off.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Karl S

                                                                                                                                                                      The group outside the East Street headquarters & warehouse was MUCH larger today and has been steadily growing. And I've seen several "Customers of MB stands with MB & Artie T" signs in the past few days.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Karl S

                                                                                                                                                                        The stores are pretty devoid of inventory, so it's tough to gauge what customer solidarity would be like if shelves were stocked.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: black_lab

                                                                                                                                                                          Most people I know who aren't going to MB are doing so because of the inventory, not out of a moral duty

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                            Interesting, everyone I know isn't going there out of support for the workers... which sets up an interesting social dynamic, because none of us want to be the one who caves and gives up on this moral stand to shop there, even if it were fully stocked.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                              Of the other chains available to me, I find Hannaford to be closest in value to MB. In fact, some of its staples prices are a dime or so less than MB, and on others, a dime or so higher. It's close to a wash. The Hannaford in N. Chelmsford is definitely cleaner than some of the MBs.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                                I tend to avoid my local MB simply because it's a nuthouse with the crowds so I can't claim any boycott on my own part though I do support the cause.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am not a Crazy Basket (as we call it) regular, but I will shop there at times and was looking forward to getting my parents going there since they are on a fixed income. I liked the Hannaford in Saugus but since we've moved to Lexington, the one in Waltham is closest and is a bit too far for me to frequent.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, come fall, you'll have a full-size Wegman's close by (not a value chain like MB, of course) in Burlington, in addition to MB (if still open), TJs, Roche Bros and H-Mart.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                        drove by Hudson store today. No customers. 4 16 year old girls in yoga pants screaming with signs at the passing cars to honk.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                          yoga and screaming? that aint right

                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                        Uh-huh. The board is flailing and this is just further proof. This is like when your mom said she'd give you until the count of three and then started including fractions. They have no leverage anymore and they know it.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                            Why wait? If Felicia and The Gooch think they can replace everyone, why haven't they started?

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                              Guess we'll see... what, exactly? That the current management can hire replacements because people are looking for jobs?

                                                                                                                                                                              You know, it's funny. On the one hand, supporting the workers seems like a touchy-feely, loosey-lefty thing to do. Obviously you disagree with that.

                                                                                                                                                                              What you don't get is the hard business fact that Market Basket is now broken. And it simply is not fixable by the current CEO team no matter what they do. The damage is not repairable by them.

                                                                                                                                                                              Is it only repairable by Arthur T's side? Perhaps not.

                                                                                                                                                                              But this business absolutely is going to die with with the current team, whether they hire new people, or the old ones come back. Just too much bad will to overcome. So put your one-dimensional analysis aside and look at the whole picture. Current management is done.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Alcachofa

                                                                                                                                                                                I agree, once so much bad blood is let, things will never be the same.

                                                                                                                                                                                I wonder though, everyone saying what a great place to work. As I thought about it, when you see the managers walking the aisles to make sure things are getting done- have you ever seen a woman? I havne't.

                                                                                                                                                                                How great a place can it be if there is not equal opportunity?

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: gracenote

                                                                                                                                                                                  but the whole reason for the protest is that people feared things would never be the same anyway. So never being the same seems to be what the current ceos want and the word/fear is they are cashing out either way.. so wonder how much it really matters to them.. I wonder how much the value of the company is hurt really to a competitor such as say wegmans or someone who would consider buying it all out.. surely much of the value is in the infrastructure/locations but if they were planning on changing the name and such the "brand" really isnt much value to competitors. Chances are a competitor would also want to retrain any staff to do things their way too.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                                    The Glove reported a few days ago that all of the other offers to buy them out, from other chains and private equity, were taken off the table. There's your evidence.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                          The gauntlet was thrown days ago. Then they tried to nice it up with an updated statement. And now they are adding a deadline.

                                                                                                                                                                          My mama always told me, if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. Well these two new CEO's knew the bed they were making. They just didn't predict the outcome.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. Riddle me this.....

                                                                                                                                                                          If they call the bluff - will everyone who doesn't call in sick on Monday be fired? Will they be eligible for unemployment compensation for being fired?

                                                                                                                                                                          there are many layers to this story, and hundreds of thousands are effected.

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                            Whether you agree with the work action or not, the employees will be fired for deliberate misconduct and violation of stated policies. They will most likely be ineligible for DUA.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: black_lab

                                                                                                                                                                                Although MB admin management would be kept busy trying to manage all of the unemployment applications. They have 10-14 days upon receipt of the application to deny it.

                                                                                                                                                                                And Market Basket's SUI (State Unemployment Insurance) rate will go SKY HIGH next year.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: black_lab

                                                                                                                                                                                  I was under the impression that if you get fired you can collect unemployment, but if you quit you cannot.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So if these people are fired on Monday, then hopefully they will be able to collect.

                                                                                                                                                                                  www.saffron215.blogspot.com

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mcel215

                                                                                                                                                                                    If you get fired for gross misconduct, and the Company is able to prove said misconduct, the Commonwealth can refuse to pay.

                                                                                                                                                                                    "Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 151A, governs the unemployment insurance program. According to the law, you may be eligible if you were fired for poor performance. However, if your employer is able to show that you were fired for deliberate misconduct or violation of a company rule, you may be disqualified."

                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.mass.gov/lwd/unemployment-...

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                      Of course if every fired employee contested the denial of UI the new MB overlords would be tied up in unemployment hearings for years. The lawyer cost alone would be many millions.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                                                                                                                          Just to clarify, I was responding to Striper's point about MB having to process unemployment claims!

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                            Imagine me recommending this comment, 'cause I am, just not with a blue heart.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                              Consider it imagined, pinehurst. And backatcha.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcel215

                                                                                                                                                                                        im not so sure.. by refusing to go to work aren't they quitting? interesting topic as i dont know the answer. They are asking them to work and do their jobs, they are refusing, so i would think that counts as quitting? How long can someone not show up and retain their job? I think if they got the application, they could just say "on ho, so and so is welcome to come work but they dont want to"

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                                          But they ARE working. They clock in; they're cleaning, doing whatever they can. The managers are also assigning some to stand on the line at their stores. So perhaps the managers are putting their jobs on the line from a "gross misconduct" viewpoint. Don't know.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                            im not sure the details. I have read that many are cleaning and that the stores are "cleaner than they have ever been" from what many have wrote on fb. There are certainly some who are not doing what they are "supposed to" but maybe its more the drivers making deliveries? i really dont know the details on that level.. Certainly you dont need 10 registers open if there are only 2 customers! I would think that if a truck shows up and managers tell them not to unload it and to refuse it, that someone is putting their job on the line.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                                              People are working at all of the stores. Protesters are off the clock or on break. The ads for store workers are a joke for public consumption. Those jobs are already filled, and those workers continue to show up.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The warehouse/delivery workers are the ones that are causing the shortages. If anyone is at risk, it's probably them. But they don't have the management in place to fix it. The two new bosses and their PR firm can't figure out who's responsible and replace and retrain the workers on their own. The deadline and job fair are just a stunt.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: CportJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                this whole thing has become such a debacle, i am honestly surprised the powers that be haven't already fired the warehouse and delivery crews. if stock isn't being transported anyway, they have all the time in the world to replace and train new staff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                what's another public relations black eye, ya know?

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                      Could be considered as job abandonment. If mgmt was smart they would have already sent letters to employees who are scheduled to work and havent clocked in to notify them of this. Now that there is a deadline in place, makes a stronger case if they dont show after the deadline.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LStaff

                                                                                                                                                                                        If mgmt was smart....
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                                                                                                                                                                                        Haah-haah-hahhhhh-hahhhhhhh-hahhhhhaaaahhhhhhhh-hahhhhhhhhhhh
                                                                                                                                                                                        :::::deep breath:::::
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                                                                                                                                                                                        Haah-haah-hahhhhh-hahhhhhhh-hahhhhhaaaahhhhhhhh-hahhhhhhhhhhh
                                                                                                                                                                                        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                    3. i'll stand with my friends and family. They work(ed) there, and its their fight. They've always had my back and i certainly have theirs. ATD ! ATD !

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ajmoose

                                                                                                                                                                                        I have shopped in MB for years and years and enjoyed my savings very much. However, I too stand by my friends who work(ed) there and support their cause.

                                                                                                                                                                                        www.saffron215.blogspot.com

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. also pumped that the ag's office is siding with the working man and warning mb execs to make sure any termination is done by the book.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                                                                                                          but an employer can fire a worker without cause in massachusetts. "we no longer require your service" is reason enough. yes, the worker may then collect unemployment, but their butt is nonetheless out the door.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                            There's something called the WARN Act that can come into play for mass layoffs and has certain notice requirements.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: CportJ

                                                                                                                                                                                              WARN has a lot to do with bankruptcy, IIRC.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: CportJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_A...

                                                                                                                                                                                                Employees unprotected by the WARN Act include workers participating in strike actions, or workers who have been locked out in a labor dispute;

                                                                                                                                                                                                The WARN Act is not activated when a covered employer:

                                                                                                                                                                                                closes a facility or operating unit because of a strike or a worker lock-out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The WARN Act also is not activated when the following coverage thresholds are unmet:

                                                                                                                                                                                                If a plant closing or a mass layoff results in fewer than 50 workers losing their jobs at a single employment site;

                                                                                                                                                                                                If 50 to 499 workers lose their jobs and that number is less than 33 percent of the employer’s total, active workforce at a single employment site;

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Are you pasting to suggest this makes it clear one way or the other?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: CportJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                    am saying i think they could easily wriggle out of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                      not without great expending of resources,it may be simple, but to defend thousands of warn act claims can't be cheap.....everything is going to cost them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly. It's not clear that many of the workers are participating in a "strike," the workers have not been locked out yet, and Market Basket can't just close down their main warehouse even if what is happening is deemed a strike.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't know enough about the numbers of workers at the various sites to comment on that part of it, but I don't think it's a simple matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                "In a letter from the attorneys general of Massachusetts and New Hampshire, Market Basket's CEOs were reminded that any terminated employee in Massachusetts is entitled to receive any and all compensation owed to them on the last day of employment, and New Hampshire workers are due all compensation within 72 hours of termination." comes from this article http://on.wcvb.com/1qOk48Q

                                                                                                                                                                                                It sounds like if they follow through on their threat to fire anyone who doesn't come back on Monday, they'd better have a ton of financial people on hand ready to process payments to the thousands of workers they'd have to lay off.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. still picketing this morning outside the corporate office in tewksbury.

                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                              1. We continued to *not* shop at MB this weekend, necessitating trips to the local farmer's market to supplement our garden, a fishmonger, a Dollar Tree (cleaning products and aluminum foil, etc) and (the horror) the Methuen Stop in Shop, at which it took me 30 minutes from car back to the car (self checkout express line) for three bottles of mineral water, pita bread and anchovy paste.

                                                                                                                                                                                                We'll continue to boycott as a household, but it's getting costly. My coworker just left my office saying that it's been costing her family (she has kids for whom she packs lunches daily for summer camp) approx. 60-80 dollars extra per week. She doesn't know how much longer her budget as a single parent can sustain the additional expense and is wrestling with her conscience (she has friends employed by MB)

                                                                                                                                                                                                It'll be interesting to see how this ends...if it ends. All kinds of cascading effects as noted on this thread already---longer lines at wholesale stores, farmstands, dollar stores, Targets, you name it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                  we're only shopping for 2, but have yet to visit any direct mb competitors, although i did go to trader joe's last week. otherwise it's been local asian markets, the farmers' market and haymarket. i am happy to be supporting smaller local businesses, but am jonesing for some summer-flavored polar seltzer, lol.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. I went to the Tewksbury Farmers Market on Saturday. I asked the two workers at the Pleasant Valley Gardens booth how things were going for them (they sell almost 90% of their produce to MB), and they said they're hanging in there. I told them there's a "Help the Vendors of Market Basket" Facebook page, and I had posted a link to Pleasant Valley Gardens' website there, hoping people would buy direct from them. They were very appreciative.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also went to Hannafords on the Tewksbury/Lowell line on Saturday around 11:15 a.m. as I couldn't get everything I needed at the farmers market or the East Street Farm Stand. Parking lot was almost completely full and the store was full of people rambling about looking for things (I directed a couple of lost souls as I made my way through the store). Couldn't find a little basket to carry my items in - not at the door, nor at the checkouts - so I just put my purchases in my reusable bag I had brought with me and unloaded and reloaded it at the self-checkout.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  It'll be interesting to hear what happens at the "job fair" over the next couple of days and whether anyone from the outside goes on Wednesday to the Andover location for the job fair.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. There was an ex Burlington MB employee working at another store I shopped at this morning. Heard her talking to someone who recognized her from the market she had worked at for 7 years She said she's happy to be out of there, that the fighting has been going on for years. Also, she was tired of her car getting dinged in the parking lot and nobody ever leaving a note. That I can totally understand! I've been dinged in that parking lot too, can't imagine what it's like if you park there daily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I took a walk through the newish Hudson store today to check it out.. There were 3-4 people shopping but didnt look like they were buying much. From my quick walk thru.. lots of eggs/milk/juice/cheese but no yogurts in the dairy aisle. Deli was open. Fish counter was closed. The fancy meat case/counter was closed.. The chicken area was empty. There were a small representation in the beef and pork areas. The produce area was empty except for a few bags of potatoes and some misc oddball things. The prepared food areas were closed. The fresh cut produce and the cooked chicken areas were empty.. The freezer cases and most of the grocery aisles appeared ok but mabye a bit thin, i didnt walk down them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/mass...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        apparently "few" attended the job fair yesterday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        there will be another rally in tewksbury this morning at 11:00.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                          necn was reporting that the company had set up an email address so employees didn't have to walk the gauntlet of protesters, so the fact that only a handful of people actually showed up needs to be kept in perspective.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: wonderwoman

                                                                                                                                                                                                            MB execs were claiming they heard from "many associates" who were "fearful for their safety". A bunch of hooey. Many people who were picketing outside the job fair said there was NO aggression on part of the picketers. Yeah, maybe a few hoots and hollers at anyone driving in, but that's it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The PR firm is throwing anything they can up on the wall to see what sticks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                              true, but what i was suggesting is that the fact that only a handful of people showed up in person at the job fair doesn't mean that more haven't applied. it's unrealistic to believe that out of 25,000+ employees, there wouldn't be at least a few who would want to (or need to) take advantage of the situation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              of course, they would be betting that MB will still be in business when the dust settles:)

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: wonderwoman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Your last sentence is the crux of the matter. I suspect the enmity that remains between the two sides will continue until there is nothing. Artie S. seems that stubborn and cares for nothing but his own pockets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  re arthur s:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i think it's pride and hubris that have devolved into pathology -- like the husband or boyfriend who says "if i can't have her no one can," before he kills her, arthur s would rather sacrifice the profits rather than let arthur t run the company.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                One of the local news stations showed a clip of picketers yelling and gesturing at a car driving out from inside of 5 feet. Boston.com reported that picketers took photographs of entering cars. Many people would consider those behaviors intimidating and threatening. The truth always lies somewhere in the middle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: black_lab

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The execs could release (or find some way to provide to a reporter) online applicant numbers if they wanted transparency. They are the only ones with that information. Given the self-serving nature of any unverified numbers they might release, there is good reason not to believe any claims that the number is very large unless they provide some verification.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: CportJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Given the current climate, it's almost impossible to believe that these job fairs were created to find employees. Seem like a cynical & desperate - not to mention lame - PR move by the board to make it look as though they're doing something as this Double-Arthur death-spiral drones on, while maximizing the chance that increasingly strapped MB workers will lash out at applicants, providing great photo ops.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Can we hope to see the "Double Arthur Death Spiral" in future X-games?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Parsnipity

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now there's another asset to fight over!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. My seven year old wanted to go and even made his own poster

                                                                                                                                                                                                            for those who can't read his writing it says, "Shame on you Wall St. I (heart in a Portal 2 companion cube...don't ask) Market Basket"

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fight the power little man

                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: devilham

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for raising a solid citizen!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I'm not sure if I buy this new - we have another anonymous offer news. If they do, then I think feud will trump $ and they will sell to anyone but A-T.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              A funny thing happened on the way home from Maine today. Passed about 8 picketers on Shore Rd between Ogunquit and York. Me thinks one of the board members must have a home by the shore? I waved, but didn't have time to stop and ask, "why such a random place?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                You sure do love your conspiracy theories. The not very "anonymous offer" is from Delhaize Group SA, the parent company of Hannaford Bros.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ChocolateMilkshake

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This was recently reported and was just sent to me from a friend:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Something Stinks in Denmark

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Gooch / Delhaize / JP Morgan Connections

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The connections between Jim Gooch (hired by the Board Of Directors), Delhaize (Hannaford) and JP Morgan (investment bank hired by "A" [ASD] shareholders) are many, coincidence? You can connect the dots yourself. However if they were not coincidence the B shareholders (ATD) have not been treated fairly at best and this bidding may have been a sham the whole time at worst.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2006 Jim Gooch hired by Radio Shack as CFO reports directly to Claire Babrowski CEO of Radio Shack. (Gooch later replaces her as CEO)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Claire Babrowski currently serves on the Board of Directors for Delhaize (Hannaford)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mats Jansson Chairman of the Board of Delhaize (Hannaford) since 2012. Also serves as a member of JP Morgan's European Advisory Council.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "A" (ASD) Shareholders hire JP Morgan to represent the sale of Market Basket.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If this just seems to not smell right to you use the link below to sign the SEC petition to investigate the Board and "A" shareholders.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/peti...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Infomaniac

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is what was posted on the Save Market Basket" Facebook page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    how many millions in revenue have gone down the drain already? is the arthur s. side determined to burn the whole damn family legacy to the ground? can't say which is worse -- the greed or the enmity. yuk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's been estimated $10 million a day, hotoynoodle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And to Artie S., obviously "winning" is the most important thing. Doesn't give a crap about anything else - including thousands of people and the community. Just his own pocket. And besting a cousin he feels done him wrong, despite all of the money his cousin put into his coffers. The little snotnose hasn't worked a day in his life in the stores. If Artie S. hates it so much - shouldn't he also hate all the money that Artie T. and his father put into his pockets? Guess not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        this is not about greed; it is about one cousin hating another. does anyone think that artie t. was not doing a hell of a job running the business. but when you are as rich as artie s. it is a matter of fun and not money

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          this could be the first time I agree with you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          it's an extremely wealthy family issue, with a hell of a lot of collateral damage (some of it intended) and it's the only way that artie s can get even for his side.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          remember, he's waited a long time for this moment...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not a matter of fun. It's a matter of spite on Artie S's part.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The report i read said they were not being laid off, they are still employees. They just have no hours for them.. Yet some say they are surprised!? really? They have been sitting outside, eating chips and drinking sodas for weeks and telling everyone not to shop at the stores.. Yet they are surprised when they are told there isn't enough work for them to do??

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "The report i read said they were not being laid off, they are still employees. They just have no hours for them."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          am pretty sure they can file for unemployment benefits for that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          btw, "not having hours for you," essentially means one is being terminated by attrition. they are hoping these people quit of their own accord because they cannot afford to go unpaid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          workers are not sitting outside on their shifts eating chips. this is disinformation from the dodgy lying board. anybody outside picketing or demonstrating is doing so on their free time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          if they are off-duty, and off-premise, they can say whatever the hell they want to passers-by.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Folks, we removed a bunch of posts from here. Please try to keep the focus on the subject and not on your fellow hounds. Thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Diana Merriam, one George's daughters, has a summer house on Cape Neddick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/201...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          New Yorker article about what I hope will become a growing percentage of companies in America, the so-called "B-corp" or "benefit corporation". These have a commitment to doing (and documenting) societal good. Investors still get dividends, but the goal is NOT to wring every penny of profit out of the business, as has been the modus operandi for the last 4 decades. It is mentioned that Henry Ford preferred to improve his product and pay his workers better rather than maximizing dividends. MB is not mentioned but clearly Arthur T is in Ford's mold.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          By the way, the magazine has redesigned its website and for the rest of the summer, the entire issue is available to read online for free (not sure if that applies to the whole archive). A new paywall will debut in the fall.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MB was the subject of a segment of yesterday's "On Point", which is nationally syndicated on public radio, and I understand that the BBC has covered the MB protest too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Market Basket has been my main grocery store since moving to NH ten years ago. I. and everyone I know, are boycotting MB to try to get back the store we know and love. We know that if the present management stays, the store will become just another grocery chain if the chain survives at all. Meanwhile, I am shopping at Trader Joes and Costco although they are very inconveniently far. Actually MB is also far but not as much so. If MB does not return to Arthur T, I will not shop ever again in those stores, no matter who owns them. I'll continue using the stores I'm using now although I will terribly miss MB. I went there for items I used regularly and I simply can't find those items elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Nope, It is a family matter. None of my business what happens.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: genoO

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                this "family" employs tens of thousands of workers in 2 states.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I've noticed the ast few days that the number of cars at the somerville ave MB has been steadily increasing. Still far below what it used to be, but not as sparse.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    am on the road all day and the mb's i pass are virtual ghost towns. they still are not stocking, so what can people actually buy?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You can buy most things other than yogurt, chicken, produce, fresh fish and prepared foods. So basically everything else from my quick pass thru the hudson store last week. I think a lot of the groceries in the aisles are actually vendor stocked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: hargau

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A friend of mine who only has been avoiding MB due to supply issues (i.e. isn't boycotting) said he recently went in and found almost everything that he would normally buy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Not unexpected (but still said) that hours are being cut back. I know it's long been the practice at a lot of big box stores (including my H's former employer, a home improvement chain) to keep associates PT and then mess with their schedules in order to keep them from getting a second job with competitors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm recalling---for no real reason--Aaron Feuerstein of Malden Mills, who made sure that his workers received their full salaries for months after a huge fire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How long can these workers hold out with their altruism?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I mentioned Mr. Feuerstein upthread (July 24); another poster responded to knock him. You might be interested in the New Yorker article I linked to yesterday, a few posts upthread from here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wow, sorry Grey, I missed it, and you're right. We're thinking alike. Just responded to your original A.F. post. Thank you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pinehurst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wasn't criticizing you, sorry if it seemed that way.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          No worries!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. It is being widely reported that a deal was signed tonight to sell Artie S. (and family)'s shares to Artie T (and family). Artie T. will be in charge once again. Let the shopping resume!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: PinchOfSalt

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It will be a different place however. They will now be carrying debt. That said, I am totally delighted that all of these jobs that pay a living wage have been preserved in a company that seems to value everyone's efforts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: smtucker

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Paying debt yes but not dividends to the arty a side, and with interest rates still super low, the debt load should be quite manageable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: PinchOfSalt

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/us/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          a few days ago, wbur was interviewing a store manager who said it would take about a week for the stores to be up and fully running, so let's not stampede the place, lol. he also said hannaford's had hired quite a few of his workers. it will be interesting to see what happens with that since presumably the crush at other grocers will lessen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          really, a remarkable story with an unprecedented outcome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If I were hired by Hannaford, I'd professionally give my notice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: PinchOfSalt

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So pleased to hear of the outcome last night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Drove past the Market Basket headquarters this morning. The parking lot was packed with associate vehicles. Probably eight different news trucks there. Podium was built for Artie T. to get out there and speak to the associates at 8:30.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cars were also honking at every Market Basket truck they saw on the road. The drivers all had HUGE grins on their faces.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. A store manager was interviewed on TV this morning. He said the grocery items were pretty well stocked and *some* dairy was in. Meatcutting begins this morning; poultry will take a couple of days. Produce coming in starting this afternoon, and things should be about back to normal this weekend.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think this article in the Boston Globe online says a lot as to how quickly they'll get restocked:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I stopped into Burlington MB this afternoon because I was in the area and needed a few things. Some dairy, a bit of meat (not sure what kind), a smidge of seafood, no produce that I saw (but I didn't go wander around there), some bread, a lot of empty space all around the store. Bakery was closed, no prepared foods. Not surprising, just reporting what I saw. It's kind of interesting to see how they tried to fill the space. For example, in the canned fruit aisle, there's 4 shelves full of the same kind of applesauce. I was able to get the cat food I needed, the shredded cheese I wanted, a packaged Boboli pizza crust (don't judge!), jarred pizza sauce, and 2 loaves of white bread (not the brand I wanted, but close enough). There weren't many customers or staff around, but they all seemed really happy. The store was freezing though. I suspect the A/C units are set to handle a higher load of people and food. Couldn't stay long, but it was nice to shop without the typical hordes of people, even if I couldn't get everything I was looking for.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hit the Somerville location to show the flag and put some money in the coffers & am so glad I did. Could pile on the anecdotes, but one made my day: three really, really old ladies who wore their church hats to celebrate.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As of this morning, most perishable stands aside from dairy were empty or close to it - great deals on ground beef, watermelon, kale & a few other things, though - and supply carts were pouring out of the back in the short time I was there. Great sight!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PV, I LOVE that - thanks for sharing! I took the liberty of forwarding your first paragraph to the hosts of WGBH's Boston Public Radio, who have been discussing MB a lot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    During my visit to MB in Westford, I took the opportunity to shake the hand of every employee who had one free, in congratulations and to thank them for taking a stand against corporate greed in a larger sense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Greygarious, David Boeri did a beautiful piece on "Morning Edition" today, having visited the Wilmington store yesterday. It's a great bit of reporting!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pocketviking

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Lovely report. I'm sure there will be many unforeseen challenges facing employees and management in the next several months, and wish both management and employees the best through it all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I must say, I'm waiting for the made-for-tv movie to come out soon. This is a script that would be hard to believe if we hadn't all witnessed it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was at Burlington first thing this morning. No produce, no meat, no fish, dairy mostly with dates a week or so out (with a nearby associate warning me to be sure of the dates if I took more than one of anything). I asked one of the meat guys if/when I would be able to come back and get something for my Labor Day cookout. He said if not tomorrow, probably by Saturday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I stopped by the Main Street store in Tewksbury (not Store #8 where the rallies were held). Parking lot was jam-packed. Some dairy (butter, cheese in pretty good supply; milk and yogurt much less so); deli was minimal but did have some activity; meat/seafood cases were empty, as was the majority of produce. Anything that was frozen or canned was FULLY stocked; sandwich area and bread was minimal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Staff was all smiles and appreciative of everyone in the store, and the store manager was getting handshakes from everyone he walked past, including me. My checkout cashier replied "We are SO happy to be back!" when I said "welcome back!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also went into Somerville for dinner, and the parking lot of the store on Somerville St. was also jam-packed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This morning while driving past the headquarters, the parking lot was full to overflowing - and I mean cars were parked in non-parking spaces along the lawn around the pond in front of the building all the way down to East Street entrances. They're going full force to get the shelves restocked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4. I was at the new Westford store this afternoon. There was a good meat and seafood collection though no fresh chicken. Acorn and butternut squash, and garlic, were the only tenants in produce. There was no milk but a lot of refrigerated non-dairy creamer. About half the bread aisle was stocked. All in all, more stuff than I expected, and what I needed were some packaged items that other stores don't carry, which I was running low on since I boycotted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      TAKE NOTE: They deeply discounted some items that are nearing their sell-by/best by dates, e.g. dozen large white eggs, dated September 2, for FIFTY CENTS! Ditto the 4-packs of Jello Temptations desserts. Shoppers who can spend a bit of time scoping things out may find some great bargains there in the next day or two.