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Jul 20, 2014 11:03 AM

Stone in Berlin

Myth of craft beer continues, despite all the shattering.

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  1. What, exactly, is the "myth of craft beer?"

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    1. re: pikawicca

      I don't really know. But there's a guy here with a rather long thread about it.

      1. re: Josh

        Long and Annoying thread yet I can not stop reading it. Odd how that is? Though i have been able to stop feeding it.
        Oh and do not forget the Myth of the Quad.

        1. re: Josh

          Thanks for the link. I read the entire thread and am more confused now than ever.

          1. re: pikawicca

            Try reading it while watching sharknado 2 and drinking margaritas.

      2. Great, now the Germans can get some over hopped, out of balance brews.

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        1. re: MOREKASHA

          Thankfully, nobody will be forcing them to drink those brews. The real question is will Stone be successful in Germany?

          1. re: Tripeler

            if they are it will be because of that tricky underhanded labeling! that and the beer!

          2. re: MOREKASHA

            Not all of Stone's stuff is like that. Their standard IPA, Enjoy By, Pale Ale, Go To, and Ruination are all pretty approachable, IMO. Levitation and Smoked Porter don't even come close to that description, either. I think they'll do just fine. Schneider's been producing a couple of hoppier-than-normal beers in Germany for some time now.

              1. re: RB Hound

                I think it is now. I don't think it was when it came out. (i.e. as "acceptable" levels of hoppiness have increased over the years, Stone's older "hoppy" beers now seem much less so to me than they once did)

                1. re: Josh

                  I believe they call that "attenuation". :)

                  Who knows - maybe the Germans will like the Belgo Anise IRS.

          3. Eh. With the emergence of local craft breweries, I'm not sure Berlin needed some US brand.

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            1. re: linguafood

              How does Stone brewing in Berlin harm the local craft breweries?

                1. re: linguafood

                  Ok so can Stone make a noticeable and positive contribution to the Berlin craft beer scene in your opinion?

                  1. re: Chinon00

                    Maybe. I'm not much of a .... craft beer drinker, but as I mentioned above, there are several, fairly new craft breweries in the Berlin metro area, and with the whole trend of 'buying local', I just have my doubts as to how successful an American company will be.

                    But I don't have a horse in this race as long as I can still drink the beers I prefer. Everybody wins.

                      1. re: Chinon00

                        I'm pretty much a pilsner/lager kinda gal. Just not a huge fan of over-hopped experimental ales. Blame my upbringing.

                        Had a fantastic Postdamer Stange at a recent craft beer festival this summer.

                        1. re: linguafood

                          So is craft beer in Berlin basically small batch, local, well made traditional styles (pilsner, marzen, dunkel) or is there more brewing of international styles and experimentation? Which is more common?

                          1. re: Chinon00

                            Both. Here are a few links to local breweries -- you'll hafta know a little German, tho:


                            The latter link actually has a bit of a writeup on the Stone brewery opening.

                            I think Hops & Barley might be one of the more 'experimental' brewers in town.

            2. It will be interesting to see how this affects German beer-drinking habits (or reflects changing habits). Beer consumption has been decreasing there. I don't know the state of craft beer there. It has certainly taken root in some other European countries, albeit those with a less entrenched traditional beer culture.

              On another subject, I wonder if there are any regulations that will prevent some of Stone's creations from being called beer in Germany. Since the Reinheitsgebot was successfully challenged a while back, perhaps that is not an issue.

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              1. re: Jim Dorsch

                I'm not sure which of Stone's beers would be in violation. The only ones I can think of offhand are the ones with some spicing added, but that is only a couple of special releases - otherwise their beers are in compliance. Given Freigeist's stuff, and also gose, I wouldn't think there'd be an issue.

                1. re: Josh

                  I'm not sure either. I have a hazy recollection of some strange regulations, and could be way off base. In any case, I'm sure Stone will march forward and achieve success, possibly upending the staid German beer industry.

                  This would be a good time for some information from our recently departed European contributor.

                  1. re: Jim Dorsch

                    How does one sell Belgian beers in Germany such as fruit beers, beers brewed w/ candied sugar, etc?

                    1. re: Chinon00

                      I really don't know. I'm not so much offering information as asking for clarification, although I'm not sure if anyone here has the knowledge to provide that clarification.

                      I think I'll ask my friend Conrad Seidl.


                2. re: Jim Dorsch

                  "Beer consumption has been decreasing there"

                  Same for the US too despite the rising popularity of craft beer.

                  1. re: LStaff

                    yes, good point. the big beer companies seem to be making more money, too, on smaller volumes.

                    1. re: Jim Dorsch

                      Not surprising, Jim, since the biggest cost in US mass-produced beer is the advertising...