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Jul 16, 2014 07:06 PM

Heritiers Marcilly

Thru highly convoluted ways, a bottle of 1981 Heritiers Marcilly Criots-Batard-Montrachet came into my stash. I have an unusual question for this most honorable Board: what does the "P" stand for ?

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  1. Probably the first name of M. de Marcilly

    Now, do I get an invitation to be there when you open that bottle?

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    1. re: ChefJune

      Yes, once you provide correct answer.

    2. Coat of arms and motto on the label are not even close to the ones on record:

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      1. re: CharlesDarwin

        P. de Marcilly Frères are still using the same logo on their labels.

        There are around 20 places called Marcilly all over France so surely more than one de Marcilly family.

      2. That's a great question! Back in the early 1980s, i used to import and sell wines from this producer -- and I am embarrassed to admit that I don't remember! I want to say Phillippe, but I honestly don't know if that's a dim memory or merely grasping at straws . . .

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        1. re: zin1953

          Philippe or Pierre or whatever his name was probably the guy who started the family business in 1849.

          1. re: Robert Lauriston

            And wasn't that the original question?

            1. re: zin1953

              Right, I'm just thinking that if he died ~150 years ago nobody in the wine trade might have known it for generations.

        2. Pierre-Antoine, the abbot of Marcilly?

          Pere? As in "father," "priest" or "abbot."

          Sometimes P. in front of a name just means older or respected.

          1. Interesting facts:
            1) Last mention of Marcilly in the Guide Hachette des Vins seems to go back to the year 2000, the Guide indicating they are part of the group Boisset, phone #
            2) A quick search produces record showing in fact phone above corresponds to Jean-Claude Boisset
            3) The Boisset site makes no mention whatsoever of Marcilly

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            1. re: CharlesDarwin

              Maybe they're no longer part of that group. There are 2011s for sale in the UK.

              1. re: Robert Lauriston

                Which should indicate they are still in business.
                However, I've been unable to find their phone #.

                1. re: CharlesDarwin

                  If the winery was sold to a conglomerate, it may no longer exist as an independent business.