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Worldwide Diner Jul 15, 2014 06:56 AM

Another freaking cake challenge, WHYYYYYYYYYYYY? Is this Master Chef or Master Baker/Dessert Chef?

Wu obviously isn't a very well rounded home cook but he's never blamed anyone for his failures and I can respect that. On the other hand, Cutter comes across as a total douchebag - trashing Wu last week and Leslie this week.

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    saeyedoc RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 15, 2014 07:23 AM

    Got to save Cutter for some future drama after last night's blowup.

    1. Firegoat RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 15, 2014 10:06 AM

      I don't mind Cutter that much. It seems like the producer/editor monkeys wound up Leslie again for some drama. Wish they would make up their mind if he's the villain or not.

      And I agree with the OP .... CAKE? WHY? And of all cakes, one that uses artificial coloring? I hope Ramsay just died a little inside.

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        stones RE: Firegoat Jul 17, 2014 05:49 AM

        i think its Leslie who gets treated a bit unfairly by producers. Fact is that boy , on his own can cook! Seems many there are threatend by him so it takes literally very little to set off those agianst him and he unfortunately allows himself to get sucked into juvenile responses all the time.

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          NonnieMuss RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 06:19 AM

          He's a complete reality TV tool in every sense. He acts like a tool and puts on his "personality" to get more TV time. The producers probably love him, thinking this is just what the viewers want - drama and BS. I don't care if he can cook or not. I'd rather watch real people than bad actors like MK and Stripper Girl.

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            stones RE: NonnieMuss Jul 17, 2014 06:25 AM

            i don't see where you get the idea he is acting. If anything he too often lets his emotions suck him into juvenile arguements with the others who are obviously threatend by his ability. And i guess stripper girl is the philly girl? She comes across as a genuine bad person.

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              NonnieMuss RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 06:43 AM

              It seems like you must know him personally. I know Dan, as I've stated before. If he's your friend, then hey - that's cool.

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                stones RE: NonnieMuss Jul 17, 2014 06:50 AM

                ?? what's cool. I am just being objective from weeks of watching and Cutter is consistently a tool. Leslie is constistently cooking great on his own yet gets suck into stupid petty arguements with the same folk over an over. And Philly girl is consistently shown a lack of charachter and has never taken the high road on anything.

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            girloftheworld RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 07:57 AM

            yet when he could have used his age and personality to his advantage twice he did not push the point. He was the Leader of the wedding challenge yet he deferred his leadership when he saw it wasnt working for what was best for the over all out come instead of screaming " YOU WILLLL DO WHAT I SAY I AM THE LEADER" He did not insist on making himself heard with Ayran he humbled himself and knew they just needed to get the job done. It seems they are trying to cast him one way but their is evidence saying something else

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              stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 08:16 AM

              i agree. And while he's not the smoothest in the group challenges he has done well individually

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          cwdonald RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 15, 2014 10:15 AM

          Wu's cake must have been bad because Cutter's looked like it was hit by a grenade.

          I actually thought the interchange between Joe and Cutter was unfair to Cutter. He was asking a question, and never really got an answer. Frankly wish they would boot Joe off the judges platform. His only role is to trash constestants.

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            Firegoat RE: cwdonald Jul 15, 2014 10:28 AM

            Now we'll never know the definition of what is "too sweet."

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              DGresh RE: Firegoat Jul 15, 2014 11:35 AM

              THAT is too sweet. All you need to know. Joe is a jerk.

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              512window RE: cwdonald Jul 15, 2014 01:02 PM

              This episode he also served coffee refills in the diner.

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                cwdonald RE: 512window Jul 15, 2014 01:44 PM

                Did he spill the coffee?

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                  512window RE: cwdonald Jul 16, 2014 07:31 PM

                  If he did, they didn't include it.

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                stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 05:46 AM

                ??Cutter only asks questions to hear himself talk. He keeps interupting the answers so he can talk more. This guy is a delusional tool.Nothing's ever his fault, whinner
                that claims he doens't whine, but it's ALL he does. Producers have been too kind to him.

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                  girloftheworld RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 08:06 AM

                  poor cutter.. He is one of those oldfashioned southern boys.. you answer a question.Joe would not le him talk man to man. Things are suppose to be what they are. You run the play the coach gives ya.

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                    stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 08:20 AM

                    That's what i mean. Man to man? are you joking. This is a home cook nobody to a highly successful restaurantuer. Point is this southern boy does not give the judges the automatic respect they 100% have earned. Cutter all too often responds (interupts) with his opinions of what is happening when NO ONE gives a rat's A-- about his opinion it's worthless.

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                      girloftheworld RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 09:25 AM

                      And in Cutters mind he is not given the respect he deserves as a grown ass man. You simply do not treat someone badly and belittle him just because you have the power. In fact because you have the power you have more responsibility to treat others respectfully. I guess it is kind of like what I learned about etiquette and manners( also more of a southern thing) they are not to make someone beneath you or feel bad they are meant to make someone feel more comfortable....see he still thinks he is there to learn...

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                        C. Hamster RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 10:47 AM

                        well said, girl

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                          stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 10:54 AM

                          they wouldn/t it be refreshing if he stopped making excuses and pointing fingers and be defensive at every turn and just politely took criticism and learned from it. You'all know what i mean.

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                  cwdonald RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 15, 2014 10:49 AM

                  If they wanted to make the challenge really interesting they should have made them make red velvet cake with no artificial dyes... now that would have been something to see.

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                    pine time RE: cwdonald Jul 15, 2014 11:31 AM

                    I would like to see "here are 10 ingredients, which you may choose to use or not" for red velvet cake--include the food coloring, but also beet juice (which a friend uses in lieu of coloring) or something, chocolate (which some claim is authentic for r.v. cake), etc. Would be interesting to see what the home cooks come up with when not given definitive ingredients.

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                      DGresh RE: pine time Jul 15, 2014 11:36 AM

                      I thought red velvet *was* a chocolate cake (never made it myself). Is there any reason for the red coloring other than looks?

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                        pine time RE: DGresh Jul 15, 2014 11:43 AM

                        Although I'm from the South, r.v. is not my favorite cake. Friends tell me the coloring is only for show, not flavor, but the friend who used beet powder instead of coloring claims the powder enhances the sweetness/chocolate flavor. Yet another friend doesn't use chocolate. So, clear as mud, right?
                        P.S. Was there chocolate on the cook's table--if so, didn't see it.

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                          maisonbistro RE: pine time Jul 16, 2014 10:46 AM

                          As far as I know, you use Cocoa powder- at least in every recipe I've ever seen and/or used. Graham did not list cocoa powder as an ingredient, but I am sure I saw a container of it when they showed the ingredients they had to work with. The red dye is strictly for show. Otherwise it would just be a chocolate velvet cake.

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                        NonnieMuss RE: pine time Jul 16, 2014 07:40 AM

                        Or some sort of their own interpretation of red velvet cake - not just "make this exact thing this exact way."

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                      madeliner RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 15, 2014 12:18 PM

                      I agree all this baking is not interesting at all (to me anyway)

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                        chowser RE: madeliner Jul 16, 2014 05:08 AM

                        Not just baking but cake decorating. I like baking but cake torting/decorating isn't something intuitive. It's not hard but why should they do it?

                      2. NonnieMuss RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 16, 2014 07:37 AM

                        Very sad to see Dan go this early, but he was certainly not a "personality" that the producers would be looking for. This show is definitely one of the lesser cooking competitions, IMHO. Very few of the challenges seem to be about cooking skill, as opposed to "make this one thing". I'd rather see them branch out and show what they're good at, like in the first episode. Oh well. Dan's back home and cooking like crazy all over town, so I'll get to enjoy his food IRL.

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                          Worldwide Diner RE: NonnieMuss Jul 16, 2014 07:38 AM

                          What does Dan do for a living?

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                            NonnieMuss RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 16, 2014 09:59 AM

                            He's listed as "unemployed" on his bio, but since the show started he's been going viewing parties with food trucks at local breweries, and I think he's starting to do pop-up stuff around town.

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                              cwdonald RE: NonnieMuss Jul 16, 2014 03:34 PM

                              He trained as an artist, graduating from the University of Kentucky and has lived in SF, and Brooklyn. Never said what he did there.

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                            sockii RE: NonnieMuss Jul 16, 2014 09:11 AM

                            One of my problems with this season is that I see NO really easily marketable/likeable "home chefs" -- and marketing is quite honestly all that they are judging on (they can twist the results however they want, it's clear in the photos that have been posted on the official FB page that often the "bottom three" dishes were not nearly the worst.) With the exception of possibly Willie, who I'm now waffling over being the winner versus Elise (she was my first pick based on the emphasis in the season premiere plus her acting background, but she has been nothing but fail so far. Unless they're waiting to stage a massive "redemption" storyline...)

                            I'm sure plenty of these people are great chefs. They just did a lousy job of picking a group of contestants this year that would connect with most viewers, IMHO. I'm actually at the point where I'm cheering for Leslie because even if he's a Hollywood plant, the man can cook and is kind of showing up the series for the fake buffoonery that it is. I like him getting under the others' skins. But I think either Willie is going to win it so they can promote a downhome/Southern-style cookbook (and showcase an African American chef finally winning) or Elise, because again baking/Southern comfort food. Neither of which I need a new cookbook about, thanks anyway.

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                              Worldwide Diner RE: sockii Jul 16, 2014 09:43 AM

                              So you don't think the stammering mixer tatted baker is gonna win it? I wouldn't mind if she won, maybe she'll tat the Master Chef logo on herself.

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                                sockii RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 16, 2014 07:24 PM

                                No way do I think Jaimee will win. Even if she's a great baker, it's all about who they can market a cookbook around. I just don't see her as having appeal outside of the hipster demographic.

                          3. LindaWhit RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 16, 2014 10:15 AM

                            Tired of Cutter.

                            BEYOND tired of asshat Malibu Ken. Look, moron - you're making crappy, overly oily (buttery) eggs - let someone else do it - and then don't go burn the toast because you're bitching in a corner.

                            Big Willie completely fell apart at the pass.

                            Wish they'd stop with the baking challenges. It's not Master Pastry Chef.

                            Judge Joe is still a jerk with his questions. If you challenge someone, not everyone is going to fawn all over you when you ask dickhead questions - some will snap back, as Cutter did.

                            Surprise at Dan Wu, as he showed promise at the very beginning. But based on his cake's dryness, figured it was him going over Cutter.

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                              maisonbistro RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 16, 2014 10:43 AM

                              I used to love Master Chef. key word: used to. I don't like a show that assumes the viewers are idiots. Their challenges are impossible. First of all, no on can bake a red velvet cake or make doughnuts without a recipe, just off the top of their heads. Baking is chemistry, and you need to know how much of everything. Second of all, it is all but impossible to make batter, bake the cake from scratch, and have it cool enough to ice- unless they use blast chillers- and even then. I had the same issue with the doughnuts.... impossible to make a yeast dough, let it rise properly, fry, cool and glaze in an hour. And the pie. Every baker worth their salt knows that pie dough needs to be chilled before baking, and that the pies- as shown at the end of the episode, had obviously been chilled- since any pie right out of the oven, will be runny. Can we, the viewing audience not be treated with respect, and told that the contestants are shown recipes, and that the time frame is not accurate? And although I love me some Gordon, if I hear him describe something as "stunning" one more time......

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                                chefhound RE: maisonbistro Jul 16, 2014 11:47 AM

                                I don't disagree with you but to be fair, it has been mentioned on previous Masterchef threads, the contestants are given a demonstration off-camera. They aren't actually thrown into the kitchen and told to make a cake.

                                I can't remember if they have a written recipe or if they are allowed to make notes but I distinctly remember someone posting this information. I believe that the poster got the information from Ben Starr's blog.

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                                  LindaWhit RE: chefhound Jul 16, 2014 12:03 PM

                                  In Season 1, cameras showed the eventual winner, Whitney, with what turned out to be a printed recipe on her workstation, so I think they get copies of the same basic recipe, and then perhaps riff from there.

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                                    girloftheworld RE: LindaWhit Jul 16, 2014 07:54 PM

                                    there is a drawer at their station with the recipe in it.
                                    they dont cook anything without having cooked it at least once off camera first in a practice class

                                    I have it on good authority

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                                    maisonbistro RE: chefhound Jul 16, 2014 03:18 PM

                                    Well, to my knowledge they do not state that anywhere during the show- so they are assuming the average viewer does not know this. This is really no longer a cooking show- it's just fake, fake, fake. Because what they really need then is the person who can best follow a recipe.

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                                      ennuisans RE: maisonbistro Jul 16, 2014 03:40 PM

                                      I think this sort of thing falls under the disclaimer "portions of the show that did not affect the outcome may have been edited". If they all had recipes then it would be as fair a playing field as it could get, so no reason to show it.

                                      Which is not to say I disagree with you. In fact I quit the show once already because of the manipulation, but it's not as faked as Storage Wars or any of those "historical" shows my dad insists on watching.

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                                    sockii RE: maisonbistro Jul 16, 2014 07:28 PM

                                    All these shows are fake, fake and fake. It's just what you have to accept. I've heard it direct from someone who works behind the scenes on a certain Food Network competition That Will Not Be Named...the time limits that you see everyone rushing around to on that show are not really enforced. It's all about editing and creating drama. And of course MasterChef contestants get recipes for the baking and other detail-oriented challenges. Unless you have a photographic memory you're not going to know or remember the exact proportions to make every pastry in the known universe that they might come up with for a challenge. It's just common sense that it's all editing monkeying.

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                                      jimonyc RE: maisonbistro Jul 17, 2014 05:35 AM

                                      ....in contrast to something like THE GREAT BRITISH BAKE OFF (as close to a non-'fake' tv food competition show as we're likely to see), where, for example, contestants are given 2.5 hours for an angel food cake and 4 hours for a chocolate layer cake.

                                      Recipes are used by contestants for every bake, and there is never any attempt to hide it.

                                      Each episode has a "technical challenge' where each contestant must work off of a recipe that is provided -- usually lots of edit shots of contestants bent over their bench studying the recipe here. What they do that is a little interesting is that the provided recipes in this challenge will be missing certain details, with the expectation that the contestants will draw on their knowledge to fill the gaps. For example, the recipe might read, "bake until done", without oven temperature or timings being provided.

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                                      stones RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 17, 2014 05:41 AM

                                      cutter is a total TOOL! He's almost as bad as the philly girl.

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                                        cwdonald RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 06:41 AM

                                        Cutter may be a tool but Joe is worse....

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                                          stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 06:45 AM

                                          joe may have some politeness issues for sure, but he IS an expert and when he is telling a cook something they should just shut up and listen for the important stuff. Cutter is not capable of just shutting up and listening. He is obviously more concerned with presenting himself as Joe's equal and NOTHING could be further from the truth.

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                                            cwdonald RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 07:55 AM

                                            If you have ever eaten at any of his family's restaurants you would not call him an expert. The food is dreadful.

                                            Joe is a rude arrogant person who has no place on television.

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                                              stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 08:12 AM

                                              Seriously, i have eaten in most of his places and you're ridiculous. Food is outstanding. Del Posto, Becco, Esca
                                              to name a few. And Eately is supper cool place. All always full.

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                                                cwdonald RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 08:31 AM

                                                Those are Batalli not Joe. His family places Lydia's kitchen are dreadful. I have eaten at them in KC and Pittsburgh. I would sooner go to Olive Garden.

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                                                  stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 08:42 AM

                                                  Have you been to NYC. That's where i reside and these place are terrific and you are wrong about being just Batali's . They own Three of the top 50 places in NYC!
                                                  Babbo,Del Posto and Becco. Plus Eately! and other places. Hey, anyone can have a one off bad experience somewhere but really to minimize him like some are doing is ridiculous and in very bad taste.

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                                                    C. Hamster RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 09:10 AM

                                                    I have only been to Lidia's restaurant Felidia not to her places in Pittsburgh and KC but it is decidedly not dreadful and mentioning it in the same sentence as Olive Garden is a bit much.

                                                    Becco is a place opened by Joe and Lidia and is very good, too.

                                                    I have also really enjoyed Babbo, Otto and Del Posto, which are joint ventures between Joe and Mario.

                                                    Eataly is sheer brilliance.

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                                                    LindaWhit RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 08:31 AM

                                                    stones, I see that this is your first post on Chowhound, but there's no reason to get personal. cwdonald doesn't like the food at his restaurants; you do. But that doesn't make cwdonald ridiculous. Food likes and dislikes are an opinion. Yours differs.

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                                                      stones RE: LindaWhit Jul 17, 2014 08:37 AM

                                                      hey, the man owns several restaurants with all very high zagat ratings for a reason and ALL very successful. I have nothing personal against any poster, but please to call out Joe as riding coat tails of his mom is weak at best and i HAVE been to all those places and many others. The reason for the high reviews and success is well founded because the product at all different price points is that good. It's really not subjective . I don't think it's appropriate to make remarks trying to minimialize what this man has accomplished, its actually very impressive.

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                                                        LindaWhit RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 08:42 AM

                                                        Yes, it is subjective. Everyone has different opinions.

                                                        News reporting should be objective, based on measurable facts (although it is now objective less and less).

                                                        Food reporting is subjective, based on personal likes & dislikes of presentation, how the food tastes, ambiance, noise, service, etc.

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                                                          stones RE: LindaWhit Jul 17, 2014 08:51 AM

                                                          ok but if you have three top zagat rated and successful place in NYC i think it is not fair to post a derogitory comment about food , quality and service without a nod that it's certainly not the VAST majority opinion. Fact is they put out great food , expensive but great! To suggest this man's life work amount to nothing is classless. Agian , i don't even like him but give him credit he so obviously has earned.

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                                                            madeliner RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 12:02 PM

                                                            "but please to call out Joe as riding coat tails of his mom is weak at best"

                                                            I am not seeing where anyone did that before you posted this

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                                                              stones RE: madeliner Jul 17, 2014 12:03 PM

                                                              look harder.

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                                                                madeliner RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 12:22 PM

                                                                I looked at all the posts before you posted your comment about the coat tails but see nothing

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                                                                  stones RE: madeliner Jul 17, 2014 12:32 PM

                                                                  i just reposted. here it is again

                                                                  cwdonaldRE: girloftheworld about 4 hours ago

                                                                  Exactly... he is not an expert in anything and has no business being on tv. He is living off his relationship with his mother, and with Mario Batalli. He should be relegated to the dust bin of history.

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                                                                    madeliner RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 12:49 PM

                                                                    thanks didn't see that

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                                                    C. Hamster RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 08:33 AM

                                                    I have eaten in his and his family's restaurants many times and the food is decidedly not dreadful. Some of it is extraordinary.

                                                    But he is not a chef. He partners with chefs and his mother is a chef. He is a super successful businessman.

                                                    But he is an asshat on the show.

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                                                      stones RE: C. Hamster Jul 17, 2014 08:44 AM

                                                      i too think him very pompous but that doesn't take away from the fact he is a bonafide expert. Expert in food and the buisness of food. He knows how to cook.

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                                                    girloftheworld RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 08:07 AM

                                                    joe is not a chef. joe is the son of a chef... and a business owner

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                                                      cwdonald RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 08:12 AM

                                                      Exactly... he is not an expert in anything and has no business being on tv. He is living off his relationship with his mother, and with Mario Batalli. He should be relegated to the dust bin of history.

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                                                        stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 08:27 AM

                                                        so you do know he is a fully credentialled sommelier, yes? You do know that he is the main driver of Eately and that he basically put together the buisness plan for their restaurant group? Geesh you sound like that phily girl on the show, give the man credit . He is a proven winner.

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                                                          MsDiPesto RE: cwdonald Jul 21, 2014 05:57 PM

                                                          Watching it right now and thinking how the judges consist of two chefs and, what, the biz guy?

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                                                            stones RE: MsDiPesto 1 day ago

                                                            you mean wine expert. Hence all the wine in the basket.

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                                                          stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 08:23 AM

                                                          first i don't particularly like Joe but , give credit where its due. He is not just a biz owner, he is a highly credentialled sommelier and a highly succesful restaurantuer with multple establishments at all different price points and they ALL do very well. That's a big deal in that industry and there are few people who have accomplished that.

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                                                            cwdonald RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 08:37 AM

                                                            That may be true but they are not opening restaurants on the show, they are cooking. He has no place on the show. Wine is not part of the show, wine pairing is not part of the show. He should be renamed the trashman because all he does is spit out food and throw food in the garbage. They could drop him from the show and no one would miss him

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                                                              stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 08:48 AM

                                                              agian, there is no arguing he comes across pompous. But there is equally no arguing he is a expert in food period. He knows when someone has made crap! And
                                                              he knows when something is extarodinary. This is not just some foodie. And i don't even like him.

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                                                                cwdonald RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 09:51 AM

                                                                Batalli is the genius behind all those restaurants that you mentioned not Joe. I have eaten at numerous Battali places and they are great. I give Joe no credit for any of them.

                                                                Joe is a personality, adds nothing to the show, and no one would miss him if he were gone.

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                                                                  stones RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 10:01 AM

                                                                  obviously you don't know the relationship between the two and what Joe brings to the table.Certainly Mario doesn't keep expanding the partnership and splitting the money with Joe because he is so handsome.

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                                                                  girloftheworld RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 10:24 AM

                                                                  Actually, not really. this is arbitrary at best. Gordon can tell if someone has made "crap" he can talk about technical flaws he can say if you had brined the chicken itnmay not dried out. you did not add enough leavening in your pastry dough to get a rise.. Joe is not a Chef... he basically really is nothing but a glorified foodie. He is not a "food expert" he has not studied gastronomy he has eaten a lot. He is no more no less an expert than any other person who has made a life of enjoying good food, He actually is just some foodie with a rich mommy.

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                                                                    stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 10:31 AM

                                                                    wow , way to belittle a man's life work. He IS a totally qualifed in everyway expert to judge this competition.
                                                                    Glorified foodie? really? How many foodies run a restaurant empire and tv show? It's just plain silly to suggest he's not a chef. Do you really think he never worked the line in his whole life? you can't be serious.

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                                                                      girloftheworld RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                      Wow you don't read near as much as I thought you did. Joe is a money man. He gets the money together for restaurants.( when his daddy didnt give it to him) He is a 'front of the house" guy. Worked the line? seriously?
                                                                      Tony Bordaine he is not. I dont know why you think the moon and stars shine from this man but he is a spoilt arrogant twit who has never worked a day in his life. ( he also stole his servers tips and was sued for it)

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                                                                        stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 11:09 AM

                                                                        get it right, he and Mario were sued for it . and i keep saying i don't partifulary like him. But i will give him credit for building an empire in the toughest market and a very difficult industry. Not recognizing his accomplishments is just silly and you come off sounding like....well.... like Cutter.

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                                                                        LindaWhit RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 11:08 AM

                                                                        http://entertainment.time.com/2012/08...

                                                                        "Bastianich was always the consummate back-of-house guy, the one who counted receipts after hours and fired servers who stole from the tip jar. "

                                                                        Later on in the Time article, it notes "When he was a boy in Queens, his parents ran a modest restaurant called Buonavia, and Joe and his sister Tanya had to help out." But no mention of what helping out was (I doubt it was working the line as a boy), other than riding with his father with a tray of poultry in the back seat of a hot car.

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                                                                          healthytouch101 RE: stones Jul 17, 2014 12:35 PM

                                                                          He and Batali skimmed over $5M in tips. read it here: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style...

                                                                          Or here: http://www.grubstreet.com/2012/03/mar...

                                                                          They SETTLED for $5.25M which means more was likely involved. That makes him a no-goodnik in my book. Teed-me-off about Batali, too. I wanted to like HIM. Joe, I never liked watching.

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                                                                            stones RE: healthytouch101 Jul 17, 2014 12:38 PM

                                                                            i dont like him either. But is 100% overqualified for this contest.

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                                                                    Worldwide Diner RE: cwdonald Jul 17, 2014 11:20 AM

                                                                    Stop trashing Joe. He's just playing a role. It's like trashing an actor because he played a villain.

                                                                    In real life, he's a successfuly businessman. I don't know how qualified he is to be a judge, but does it matter? As I understand it, the judging isn't based on merit anyway.

                                                        3. Firegoat RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 17, 2014 09:15 AM

                                                          I am very concerned about the shoes not feeling well enough to come to the show this week.

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                                                            girloftheworld RE: Firegoat Jul 17, 2014 09:28 AM

                                                            LOL--- I know wondered that myself

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                                                              LindaWhit RE: Firegoat Jul 17, 2014 09:35 AM

                                                              I think we got one eyeroll from her in the balcony, and that was it. And I was totally fine with just the eyeroll and no focus on the Shooz.

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                                                                Firegoat RE: LindaWhit Jul 17, 2014 09:51 AM

                                                                But the shooz have a more pleasant personality.

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                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Firegoat Jul 17, 2014 09:55 AM

                                                                  Well, OK, I'll give you that.

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                                                                    girloftheworld RE: LindaWhit Jul 17, 2014 10:57 AM

                                                                    I sooo am waiting for the Shoe's cookbook Solefull Flavour

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                                                                      C. Hamster RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 11:09 AM

                                                                      BWAH

                                                                      That was a good one

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                                                                  stones RE: LindaWhit Jul 17, 2014 10:05 AM

                                                                  seriously, the point of the shoes???What up with those?

                                                              2. C. Hamster RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 17, 2014 10:52 AM

                                                                Is it me or did Jaimee seem less squirrelly on this episode?

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                                                                  stones RE: C. Hamster Jul 17, 2014 10:58 AM

                                                                  be nice

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                                                                    girloftheworld RE: C. Hamster Jul 17, 2014 11:02 AM

                                                                    I think we didnt see her as much

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                                                                      stones RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 11:11 AM

                                                                      she is very smartly flying under the radar at this point. That kid has skill.

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                                                                      LindaWhit RE: C. Hamster Jul 17, 2014 11:12 AM

                                                                      I can't recall her even being on this episode, except watching her walk over to the "girls" team.

                                                                      Am still wondering why it also wasn't called the "boys" team. IIRC, it was the "men's team" vs. the "girl's team".

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                                                                        healthytouch101 RE: C. Hamster Jul 17, 2014 02:48 PM

                                                                        I like Jaimee. She seems genuine and didn't throw a hissy fit when her dessert was stolen by another contestant. If that had been Leslie, he would still be whining for extra favors to make it up to him.

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                                                                          jimonyc RE: healthytouch101 Jul 17, 2014 03:15 PM

                                                                          Yep -- I'm with you on that. Let's see if the MC-US producers can show a little imagination and not trot out one of the usual suspects for the win. (Sorry, but Leslie would be my second choice for the contestant that I would want to win. I'm more inclined to believe that he is a good guy than that any of the heated exchanges he's been involved with are remotely genuine.)

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                                                                            healthytouch101 RE: jimonyc Jul 19, 2014 07:14 AM

                                                                            Yes, Leslie's food is good. It is his attitude that is annoying. But it must be hard to be older and around such young people with so much disdain. I hope he is a nicer guy in real life. He brought out his best when paired with the Ahren and they did well.

                                                                            Being under those circumstances with people nearly 24 hours a day; I daresay I would be at the end of my rope, too, at times.

                                                                      2. ennuisans RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 17, 2014 04:33 PM

                                                                        No one else hates Elizabeth, the redhead? She has even more ego than Leslie, not to mention wearing ridiculous heels on occasion.

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                                                                          LindaWhit RE: ennuisans Jul 17, 2014 04:36 PM

                                                                          She was a bit overbearing early on, but she also has not had a lot of recent camera time. I'm sure she'll gear back up again.

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                                                                            girloftheworld RE: ennuisans Jul 17, 2014 05:05 PM

                                                                            Nope... she is delightfully confident and adorable.

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                                                                              Worldwide Diner RE: ennuisans Jul 17, 2014 06:52 PM

                                                                              Her obnoxiousness has yet to shine....her time will come.

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                                                                                girloftheworld RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 17, 2014 07:06 PM

                                                                                Nope ... we are alllllll rooting for her.... remember she is the one that " We already cast an adult that is too similar to you it would look awkward to have a Jr. version you would come across too mature by comparison" Soooo she better welll go the distance

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                                                                                  ennuisans RE: girloftheworld Jul 17, 2014 07:36 PM

                                                                                  Oooooohhhhhhhh. Ok then I'll blame editing.

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                                                                                    C. Hamster RE: girloftheworld Jul 18, 2014 05:43 AM

                                                                                    So Elizabeth = girl?

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                                                                                      girloftheworld RE: C. Hamster Jul 18, 2014 07:33 AM

                                                                                      I will admit there are shots where we do look verrrrry much alike.( i posted a pic awhile back) and I doooo roll my eyes a lot. and even thought I was very helpful to some of the other contestants I also was kind of snarky( imagine) ..I told a kid she was "killing me and if she was going to keep holding the knife blade while cutting I was going to save time and chop her fingers off for her"

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                                                                                  NonnieMuss RE: ennuisans Jul 18, 2014 05:22 AM

                                                                                  Is that the Drew Barrymore girl with all the faces?

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                                                                                    ennuisans RE: NonnieMuss Jul 18, 2014 09:47 AM

                                                                                    That sounds right. I hadn't noticed her making faces before but now that you mention it she can get expressive at times.

                                                                                    The one that got into it with Leslie early on because he talked too much.

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                                                                                      girloftheworld RE: ennuisans Jul 18, 2014 10:07 AM

                                                                                      ya-- she makes faces... so actually it isnt that I am mature..it is she is immature... she just got cast first hahahha

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                                                                                        breadchick RE: girloftheworld Jul 18, 2014 04:21 PM

                                                                                        I'm confused. I think I remember you said you wanted to be on MasterChef junior, so you wouldn't have been able to be cast for the season now airing? I assumed you were a teenager. Your posts above are a little confusing, but that may be just me? Either way, I do hope you get your shot at it.

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                                                                                          girloftheworld RE: breadchick Jul 18, 2014 04:35 PM

                                                                                          Right.. I didnt get cast on MCJ... which will air after this.. I made it pretty far in the process... however according to my rejection pep talk
                                                                                          1. I am too mature
                                                                                          2.I can actuallllly cook why am I wasting my time with this it would be really frustrating
                                                                                          3. I am too close in appearance and mannerisms to an adult they cast and it would look odd to the viewer.

                                                                                          I dont think I am going to mess with reality TV... just stick with doing my live demos and stuff around here.

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                                                                                            breadchick RE: girloftheworld Jul 18, 2014 05:03 PM

                                                                                            Good for you and I have no doubt you'll get where you want to be in the food industry.

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                                                                                  madeliner RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 18, 2014 01:00 AM

                                                                                  what happened to stones?

                                                                                  he seems to have left the building

                                                                                  too bad

                                                                                  I enjoyed your posts Joe

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                                                                                    NonnieMuss RE: madeliner Jul 18, 2014 05:23 AM

                                                                                    I thought for sure it was MK at first, then the Joe love started. Now I'm confused.

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                                                                                      madeliner RE: NonnieMuss Jul 18, 2014 12:43 PM

                                                                                      who is MK?

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                                                                                        NonnieMuss RE: madeliner Jul 18, 2014 01:10 PM

                                                                                        Malibu Ken, a.k.a. Leslie the Teenaged Witch.

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                                                                                      stones RE: madeliner Jul 18, 2014 10:25 AM

                                                                                      sorry i had to make the twice daily bank run from all my highly successful restaurants here in NYC. Tiring counting all that dinero. Good thing i'm not succussful. :)

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                                                                                        Worldwide Diner RE: madeliner Jul 18, 2014 11:46 AM

                                                                                        You spoke too soon. What made you think Stones left?

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                                                                                          madeliner RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 18, 2014 12:51 PM

                                                                                          he was posting like crazy and then nothing, guess he had things to do :D

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                                                                                        madeliner RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 18, 2014 09:18 PM

                                                                                        re: Cutter, respect goes both ways:

                                                                                        "Petroleum Landman Cutter Brewer of Beaumont, Texas, who used to jump out of planes in the military in Search and Rescue."

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                                                                                          joycebre RE: Worldwide Diner Jul 18, 2014 10:02 PM

                                                                                          I'm just finishing up binge watching Masterchef Au. Tonight I was procrastinating, and caught the latest Masterchef US. A red velvet cake? The Aussies had to reproduce a dessert with a sorbet, poached pear, caramel, ganache, walnuts and a bunch of other stuff, all got up to look like a little sorbet egg in a nest. Very pretty dish. About 95 steps to assemble it. And the US people have to bake a cake? (and work in a diner? couldn't really tell because the cable failed during that section.)

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                                                                                            DGresh RE: joycebre Jul 19, 2014 03:13 AM

                                                                                            yes it was "work in a diner". And pie girl for the life of her could not cut a stacked club sandwich without smushing it. Cooking diner food comes down to timing and experience, but doesn't require a heck of a lot of creativity or finesse. For that matter neither does a cake.

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                                                                                              girloftheworld RE: DGresh Jul 19, 2014 07:44 AM

                                                                                              "For that matter neither does a cake."
                                                                                              nope did it at 2 using some tiny pans for my dolls

                                                                                              come to think of it I may have even had "sparkly" heels on

                                                                                               
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                                                                                                ennuisans RE: DGresh Jul 19, 2014 10:17 AM

                                                                                                I wondered at the time if a serrated knife was a bad choice for cutting a multilayered sandwich.

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                                                                                                  girloftheworld RE: ennuisans Jul 19, 2014 12:28 PM

                                                                                                  I have used a serrated knife to shrimp burgers and sometimes other messy sandwiches..... but I think you are right a good sharp chefs knife would have been better

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                                                                                                  joycebre RE: DGresh Jul 19, 2014 03:46 PM

                                                                                                  here's a picture of the dessert the Aussie cooks had to replicate. From a description, not seeing the dish or even having a recipe.
                                                                                                  http://www.realityravings.com/2014/07...

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                                                                                                    girloftheworld RE: joycebre Jul 19, 2014 04:13 PM

                                                                                                    Oh my that looks yummy! is the caramel spun into the "spaghetti? " of is it a gel and forced though a tube using caregeen?

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                                                                                                      joycebre RE: girloftheworld Jul 19, 2014 04:25 PM

                                                                                                      the spaghetti is a roasted white chocolate ganache stabilized with gelatin (in the original) and piped into the spaghetti shape, iirc. Most of the home chefs didn't manage that part (I couldn't have either). But they did an amazing job anyway. And it's not a red velvet cake, lol.

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                                                                                                        girloftheworld RE: joycebre Jul 19, 2014 04:47 PM

                                                                                                        ohhhh yummmy. I am not a big sweets person so Red velvet cake makes me go a bit numb in the corners of my mouth

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                                                                                                          jimonyc RE: joycebre Jul 19, 2014 04:54 PM

                                                                                                          Would have been fascinating to see how Emelia (AKA "the panna cotta queen") would do with this challenge compared to the 4 contestants that were actually in this pressure test, none of which have shown extraordinary ability with desserts.

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                                                                                                            girloftheworld RE: jimonyc Jul 19, 2014 05:56 PM

                                                                                                            I am not very good with desserts..so anybody who can do amazing desserts just dazzles me... I think the preciseness throws me. Cakes ok... a tart sure... but my go to is a pot o creme that is so easy it is impossible to mess up... There is no way I would have got past poaching the pear... without very detailed instructions and lots of time.. . I think the onllly one of the MC that may have been able to would have been Francis ...and maybe Jamie...

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                                                                                                              joycebre RE: jimonyc Jul 19, 2014 07:32 PM

                                                                                                              I was impressed at how well they did. I doubt I could do that well, and I'm a pretty good cook. I really don't like panna cotta though. I'm surprised how often it comes up in competitions, because I think it's icky. :)

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                                                                                                                girloftheworld RE: joycebre Jul 19, 2014 08:26 PM

                                                                                                                I love panna cotta anything creamy like that.. My sister ..who actually does not like to cook ..makes amazing flan... she can bake..She also loves chemistry. What is the difference between Custard? Flan and Panna Cotta?

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                                                                                                    madeliner RE: Worldwide Diner 2 days ago

                                                                                                    i'll make another thread if that is ok

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                                                                                                      girloftheworld RE: madeliner 1 day ago

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