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Obama cuts the line at Franklin BBQ in Austin

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http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/15639...

Apparently Obama is the first to cut the famous line at the BBQ joint. Even Anthony Bordain waited his turn in line. You'd think he could have used that time in line to meet some real people in Texas and gotten some good perspective.

On one hand, I get it. He's the president, he has better things to do than spend 2-3 hours in line. Probably a security risk. (If its that big a security risk, maybe don't go, have one of your zillion lackeys go and stand in line for you and get it for you ahead of time.) But he also seems to have plenty of time to spend 2-3 hours on the golf course when it suits him. Would I prefer he be doing presidential business than standing in line? Yes. But he's the one that chose the line.

On the other hand, this is a democracy. You know, everyone is equal and such. If he was the queen of England, I could see cutting the line. Royalty and all that and what they believe. Just rubs me the wrong way, when again, he could have had an assistant easily be standing in line for him for hours while he was doing other presidential stuff.

It's good to be king.

      1. re: rockycat

        It's at a food place. This is the food and media board. It is in the media.

      2. So, did everyone in the line behind him yell at him, "No cuts!" If not , what's the big deal? Yes he is the president, he is busy and he wants good BBQ. I'm ok with that, and any other president.

        A bunch of red staters in the back of the line would be expected to tell him to go to the end of the line. But maybe, while they disagree with nearly everything he does, they respect his position and respect that he appreciates good BBQ.

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        1. re: RC51Mike

          apparently some people were not happy with it.
          http://austin.eater.com/archives/2014...

          my point was more, at what point does someone get the money/celebrity value to skip the rules?

          1. re: Firegoat

            I dunno, maybe when they are elected President? There are limits to egalitarianism, maybe this is it.

            1. re: Samalicious

              Wow, wow, oh wow. That's why we fought a war of independence.

              1. re: smoledman

                I thought it was over tea, not BBQ.

            2. re: Firegoat

              But wait...why were people upset that he wanted to go to Stubbs at first. Is there a problem there?

              More on topic: a subsequent article notes that cutting the line saved Austin thousands of dollars in police escort time, so there's that.

              1. re: ennuisans

                Ooookay, apparently last year he stopped at Stubb's and it's just an unpopular place to be in Austin.

                http://austin.eater.com/archives/2013...

            3. re: RC51Mike

              Yup. That is what I do, whenever a President, Royal, or Dictator cuts me in line....I yell...." HEY......NO CUTS!". The nerve of some world leaders. They have no class ;)

            4. I guess I hope to spark discussion on at what point is a person rich enough, celebrity, enough or what not to be able to ignore society's rules. A congressman? How about a state house rep in your state? How about your local bank president? Or the local manager of Wal-mart? At some point in our society rules don't apply. Just wondering where that point is for discussion purposes. Not interested in discussing politics.

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              1. re: Firegoat

                I spent my career in local government land regulation. Routinely, Joe Biden, Gore of Goretex fame, DuPont, Walmart, MBNA- at the time one of the largest credit card banks, pharma giant Astra Zeneca, developers and any connected pol always went to the head of the line. Always. The rules apply. What people don't know or don't want to acknowledge there are two sets of rules. It has always been that way.

                1. re: Firegoat

                  The rules never apply to people who have no class. Nuff said.

                  1. re: Firegoat

                    I think that world leaders get a pass. They can go first. They have enough problems.

                    1. re: Firegoat

                      Rich? Celebrity?
                      He's the President of the United States of America! I cannot imagine feeling upset by this, no matter which president and whether or not I'm a supporter.

                    2. He probably didn't eat it, just a photo op. I mean really, would you you eat anything from Texas without it being tested for just about everything, if you were Obama.?

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                      1. re: genoO

                        Okay, that is kind of funny. Kind of goes against Michelle's diet rules for school lunches.
                        I'm really not trying to be anti Obama here, was just trying to get a conversation going on at what point in our democratic society can you do whatever you want?
                        And, to be fair, if I was in line that day I'd be taking pictures and not bitching.

                      2. I guess it would have been better if he'd had a staff member wait in line for him.

                        Wow, the vitriol in the comments section is beyond scary.

                        1. Seriously, Bourdain had to wait compared to the leader of the free world. I'm no fan of Obama and voted against him twice, cut him some slack if he wants to squeeze in 8 or 9 holes. He has a busy schedule which can change at a seconds notice. George W. Bush was speaking to an elementary class as planes were slamming into the World Trade Center. By the way, we are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic.

                            1. re: MplsM ary

                              I like how the url reads "texas couple sore" while the headline reads "not sore".

                            2. Every time I hear about this place and how people wait in line for 2-3 hours for plain no frills BBQ it just boggles my mind. To each their own I guess.

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                              1. re: miss_belle

                                They wait for quintessential Texas BBQ in its purest form. Side orders and sauce not necessary, although sauce is available and maybe three side orders. It's all about meat, and here are some meat porn photos.

                                http://franklinbarbecue.com/menu/

                                http://franklinbarbecue.com/photos/

                              2. This is just a thinly disguised attempt to sneak a political discussion into Chowhound under the pretense that it has something to do with food. It doesn't. Anyway, here's my take on it:

                                1. The President (regardless of party) should not be standing on line at a food joint because security demands that he get in and out quickly (as you note) and because he has a busy schedule (which is mostly the people's business, not private business). He should not, however, be precluded from making stops on short notice. It may not seem fair to some. Too bad.

                                2. Golf is a scheduled activity and there have been golfing presidents of both parties. The President is not wasting time on the golf course. He is always accompanied by aides who keep him informed of any matter which requires his immediate attention. All vacations are working vacations. The President never gets a true "day off" when he is not on call.

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                                1. re: GH1618

                                  I'm surprised his wifey let him eat BBQ.

                                    1. re: BubblyOne

                                      Do you really want to know? Just enjoy the BBQ. Brisket that doesn't need sauce is probably as healthy as BBQ gets, and I give it a plus (FWIW).

                                    2. re: SteveRB

                                      The guy still smokes, AFAIK ...

                                  1. At my restaurant if there was anyone I wanted to skip line, I would make it so. My cousin Ralphie would be allowed to cut the line. My house, my rules. I don't care about "fair"--most of life is not fair.

                                    My guess is that the proprietor appreciated the publicity of having him stop there, as well.

                                    Waiting in line for 3 hours for anything optional, I just don't understand. Even Texas bbq. My time is worth more than that to me.

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                                    1. re: healthytouch101

                                      Anyplace where people wait 3 + hours in line doesn't need extra publicity, trust me.

                                      1. re: healthytouch101

                                        ^^ This.

                                        I was reading through this thread, trying to figure out what my opinion would be. It's not about politics, though some will make it that way. Buy I think.... if those who run the establishment will allow a person to cut the line, good for them! It's nice to have preferential treatment, no matter who you are. Good for you if you can get it. I myself have waited in line for Franklin's brisket, and it was worth every minute. If I could cut, I might eat twice. Go Mr. Prez, and I hope you chose to have some from the point!

                                      2. I'm the Pres.. Get out of my way. That's the perks. Stand for hours in a line to get barbecue. I don't know. Is it worth the wait ?

                                        1. Let's take bets on how soon this thread gets locked :P

                                          1. Maybe the First Lunch Lady will have something to say about this.

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                                            1. re: Antilope

                                              "You've got yourself a growing image problem. How about you are seen cutting in front of people at a BBQ joint?"
                                              Dear Lord help us!

                                              1. re: Puffin3

                                                '"You've got yourself a growing cortege of political image hackers. How about you are seen idling Air Force One, Marine One and the Beast and freezing your security detail while you wait 3 hours in line for BBQ?"

                                                Now, if it were the Queen...

                                            2. President Obama is not the first president to drop into a busy barbecue joint on a trip. The previous president (George W. Bush) also liked barbecue and stopped for some when he was in Chatanooga for only a few hours. Don't you think he received executive service? The only reason you read stories like this about the current president is that his critics are petty, bent on turning every trivial thing he does into something to complain about.

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                                              1. re: GH1618

                                                No more so than the critics did of the previous president. It goes both ways.

                                                1. re: GH1618

                                                  Really? I'm not an Obama fan. Nor was I a Bush fan. As a casual observer, I'd say most presidents take their fair share of flack...

                                                  1. re: FattyDumplin

                                                    It is pettiness on both sides over matters of zero importance that is the problem with the political "discourse" (and I use the term lightly, as it really resembles a mud-slinging contest for the most part) in this country.

                                                    I'll never get used to that, I guess.

                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                      yep, it's why i'm such a cynic about politics in general.... the real issues are secondary to all the general bullshit and posturing.

                                                2. Quote from the link in the OP

                                                  According to a tweet from KEYETV’s Deeda Patton, owner Aaron Franklin believes the president was the first ever to cut the line.

                                                  The first ever? I doubt Franklin would lie, but I'm surprised he was the first ever.

                                                  In other news, the story about the lemur and the baby that was linked on the same page was pretty amusing.

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                                                  1. re: rasputina

                                                    At least the lemur didn't eat her baby. But did seem to enjoy the baby toys.

                                                    1. re: rasputina

                                                      The first in his establishment, perhaps. Not the first ever, anywhere, certainly. Normally, such a person with an entourage would not just drop in unannounced. An advance party would check the place out and make sure the group could be accommodated. When Bush stopped for BBQ at a busy place in Chattanooga, they had a room waiting for him, and they didn't let any new customers in while he was there. Executive privilege. Nobody complained about it.

                                                      1. re: GH1618

                                                        Was there any indication at all that Franklin wasn't speaking about his own restaurant only? I certainly wasn't implying otherwise.

                                                        1. re: GH1618

                                                          Why would Aaron Franklin comment about somebody cutting the line at an establishment other than his own?

                                                      2. As a fiscal conservative and no fan, I would let him cut in line.
                                                        It's ridiculous to think that he or his staff, would wait 3+ hours in line. .
                                                        Nobody's got time for that!

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                                                        1. re: Beach Chick

                                                          If anything, having him cut in line just saves the media circus for the people that are waiting. Personally, I'm not waiting 3 hours for any restaurant. Which is why I never went to Franklins when I lived down there. On the other hand I had great brisket numerous times at Black's in Lockhart and it was a closer drive.

                                                        2. .< If he was the queen of England, I could see cutting the line. Royalty and all that and what they believe.>

                                                          If I saw the queen of England try to cut in front of me in a line up, I'd tell her to go back to freakin' England!

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                                                          1. re: petek

                                                            From what I've read about Royal visits, the Queen wouldn't be picking up anybody's tab at the head of the line.

                                                            .

                                                            1. Don't forget that anywhere a President stops has been screened by the Secret Service, background checks run on all employees, secret service people in the kitchen, etc. The president doesn't go anywhere on a whim.

                                                              It may be an honor for a restaurant, but it is also a pain in the neck. If I were a restaurant owner, I would want to get it over with as quickly as possible. Sure it will be nice to have the picture on the wall, and to tell your grandkids you met a President, but it is a real disruption. Get it over as quickly as possible!

                                                              1. Hey what about the Chase credit card commercial? I'm pretty sure it looks like chef Nobu Matsuhisa cut in line and then wanders back to the smoker, getting preferential treatment. The nerve.

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                                                                1. re: RC51Mike

                                                                  Darn! Now I have fiddle music on the brain...

                                                                2. Bill Clinton tried to cut me in line once. I said excuse me Mr. President but I was here first. He just kind of looked at me and said go ahead then.

                                                                  2 large coffees to go please!

                                                                  True story.

                                                                  Anyway back to regularly scheduled programming.

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                                                                  1. re: AdamD

                                                                    Guessing this was pre or post presidency.

                                                                    1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                      Hard to say. Clinton loved him some fast food during his time in office.

                                                                      1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                        I'd guess pre or during -- he did have bypass surgery post presidency and is now vegan. I loved the guy and voted for him twice but man oh man did he cause huge traffic jams by jogging on the mall early in his presidency before he got a clue.

                                                                        1. re: HokieAnnie

                                                                          This was post. I live in the same town as the Clintons, although they are not around as much as they used to be.

                                                                          This was at the local deli.

                                                                      1. I just saw Chef on the weekend and they stop at Franklin amd I thought of this thread... After seeing it in the film it makes me want to make a trip down to Texas.

                                                                        1. Open only for lunch and a two- three hour wait? Holy Shit! And there is a fair amount of cash payment in BBQ!
                                                                          I'm cancelling Cordon Bleu and my slave labour stage at Heston Blumenthal! Deciding not to take up my acceptance to Wharton sure was the right decision!

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                                                                          1. re: Vinnie Vidimangi

                                                                            And they sell out. Someone at the back of the line missed out that day.

                                                                          2. In DC, Obama and Michelle get out a bit, and yes, it's a bit of a hassle.
                                                                            Roads get closed, etc. etc.
                                                                            But you know what? If you had his job and the security threats to you AND your family, on a daily basis, I'd think you'd deserve to cut in line so that your Secret Service detail could mitigate the inherent risks of doing something that the rest of us take for granted any day, any time.

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                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                              The whole thing was simply a photo op.
                                                                              If he wanted BBQ so bad he could have had the SS phone ahead and pick it up.
                                                                              In 'real life' of course no President would ever just 'drop in' to any eating establishment........like ever without the SS having cleared every employee in advance, checking every customer for CC and on and on.
                                                                              A SS would be standing over the dude putting the food together and the dude cooking it.
                                                                              Now that we've understood 'real life' does anyone here still believe Obama simply told his SS to "pull over. I'm going in there and cut the line to get me some BBQ". Yeah right.

                                                                              1. re: Puffin3

                                                                                Of course it was a photo op!!
                                                                                Obama is still going to cut in line, glad hand, and maybe eat the food.
                                                                                Welcome to the world of political spin.

                                                                                BTW... Obama and other presidents have caused inconveniences in and around DC, where they live, just because they actually want to go out, shop and eat, like normal people.
                                                                                Many times, it's just for them, and the hoi polloi aren't as inconvenienced.

                                                                                Look, I don't get the whining over the fact that a president cut in line when he could have had someone fetch his food for him.
                                                                                Of all the things that the President affects, this is a flea on an elephants butt.
                                                                                Big deal.

                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                  "Perception is reality".
                                                                                  Lot's of us could act in ways other's couldn't get away with because we have money and privilege but we don't.
                                                                                  It's called showing 'class'.
                                                                                  'Old' money compared to 'new' money.
                                                                                  The worst crudest behaviour in a restaurant I have ever seen was committed by some punk who had just inherited a few million bucks.

                                                                                  1. re: Puffin3

                                                                                    This isn't about being nouveau riche- it's about a president doing something to bump his ratings.

                                                                                    Could he have stood in line for hours with the common folk?
                                                                                    I don't know, maybe, but why would he?

                                                                                    Just be glad that the SS moved him in and out safely, and move along smartly.

                                                                                    I guess I've lived in DC for too long to get in a lather over this, and I've got some inconvenienced stories to tell- namely, having the President visit my favorite hamburger joint 2-3 times, and bring the world's attention to it.
                                                                                    It took YEARS for those lines to die down!

                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                      And if he had waited hours for food, I'm sure there would be those whining about the waste of money/time, etc.

                                                                                      Yeah, living in this area, the worst thing is for a president, any president, to visit your favorite places because that means we'll never get in for a long time. I went through Dairy Godmother withdrawal!

                                                                                2. re: Puffin3

                                                                                  Sure, there is a photo-op aspect to it. But all presidents get out in public once in awhile, and only Obama is criticized for it. Can anyone find documentation of anyone complaining that President G. W. Bush was simply staging a photo-op when he stopped for BBQ in Chatanooga?

                                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                                    No doubt some would like him to use the service entrance. I find that flavor to a lot of the criticism of him in general.

                                                                                      1. re: grampart

                                                                                        You betcha.

                                                                                        White men wrote the book on entitlement. All previous presidents have been white. I have never heard this complaint before. Relationship between these factors? I find it entirely possible.

                                                                                      2. re: foiegras

                                                                                        You took the words right out of my mouth, though I was thinking more in terms of "staying in the back of the bus".

                                                                                        How dare he, president or not!

                                                                                3. He also bought lunch for everyone in line as well as the camera crew. I didn't hear anyone complain about it, except someone here that wasn't there.

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                                                                                  1. re: dinwiddie

                                                                                    "He also bought lunch for everyone in line..."

                                                                                    Are you sure about that? That would have cost thousands of dollars. I read somewhere that he dropped $300 bucks and paid for the meal of one couple.

                                                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                                                      <he dropped $300 bucks and paid for the meal of one couple>

                                                                                      Ok... $300 for one couple, like two persons? That is expensive BBQ.

                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                        I assumed the $300 was for the couple, Obama, and whatever staff was with him.

                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                          Oh I see. Got it, got it. Thanks.

                                                                                        2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                          My understanding it was BBQ for the couple's family (family of 4?), the President, and his follow-on staff.

                                                                                    2. I think a president can skip the line if he wants to. Ultimately, it actually comes down to the owner of the restaurant if you think about it. It is his/her business.

                                                                                      If you are owner of a restaurant, you bet you can go straight into the kitchen and get what you want. So I think we can acknowledge that the owner himself/herself does not have to wait in line. Now, expand this idea. Any person the owner wants to serve directly is fine. If you are the son or daughter of the owner, you may able to skip the line too -- as long as your father/mother is ok with it. Do any of us think the wife of a medical doctor need to make a one-month advance medical appointment to see her husband for medical advices? Or do you think she can just walk in anytime to see him for advice? Do we call that "cut the line"?

                                                                                      As for the president, I am pretty sure the owner either already approved this or will approved this. As such, with the blessing of the owner of the restaurant, the president really wasn't cutting the line per sa. He was never in the line.

                                                                                      <On the other hand, this is a democracy. You know, everyone is equal and such>

                                                                                      You don't really believe that do you? For example, if Obama ever need a organ transplant, do you really think he will have to wait in the organ transplant line?

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                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                        Ok, I read a bit more in this articles and others. Apparent, the owner, Aaron Franklin gave the permission. In this case, his business his decision.

                                                                                        'The restaurant's owner, Aaron Franklin, told the Austin American-Statesman the president is the first person he's allowed to skip the line, adding that Obama ordered enough meat to "feed a small village."'

                                                                                        Now, back to BBQ. 5 hour long wait? Who wait in line for 5 hours for barbecue? I think 1 hour is the longest I am willing to wait in line for barbecue.

                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                          I waited over 90 minutes at Oklahoma Joes in KC, and I got there at opening time. Folks queue up there at least an hour before the place opens. Moral of the story there is phone in your order and take it to go.

                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                            People who really want to try the BBQ. I'm not sure I'd wait for BBQ but I've waited for plenty of other stuff. Some people stand in line all night for Black Friday. I think I stood in line for hours to watch a new movie release. Definitely waited to ride amusement park rides.

                                                                                            1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                              To both cwdonald,

                                                                                              I guess I don't mind to wait slightly over an hour for food if I am with someone and talking to him/her. But standing alone for over one hour is too long for me. Some articles even claim that place can take 5 hour. Who would actually wait for 5 hours? So I show up at 9AM, and I don't even get my food until 2 PM?

                                                                                              I did stand in line for hours (6-8 hours) :) when trying to into certain classes. Back then class registration was not done online. We mailed in our choices and get assigned. If we really want certain class, then we can camp out and register in as wait list. It was fun back then. A bunch of friend just camped out and talked for hours, and finally register into waitlist in the morning.

                                                                                        2. You know that thread about writing a comment and then deleting it before you post…

                                                                                          1. Ha. No matter what he did, he'd be criticized... "Hey, why's the president waiting in line for 2 hours for BBQ." vs "Hey, why's he able to cut the line".

                                                                                            That being said, if I were in line, I would've spoken up. He's the president, not some god. And I didn't vote for him and don't really agree with many things he's done (sorry, political views... smacking myself), so no, I don't feel any desire to let him cut in line.

                                                                                            Ending this now, before I really go on a rant.

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                                                                                            1. re: FattyDumplin

                                                                                              Some of you will get this. Some will prefer not to:
                                                                                              A ship arriving from Ireland carrying immigrants docks in NY in the early 1800's. A British 'elite' demands to have his luggage taken down the walkway. "You there! Pick up my luggage this instant and take it to my coach!" Irish immigrant: "I will not. We are all Kings in this country sir".
                                                                                              This is what made America the greatest country ever in world history friends.
                                                                                              No one has the 'right' to cut the line. Even for the daily photo op. Even a President..............ESPECIALLY!!!!!!!! THE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                              1. re: Puffin3

                                                                                                Anyone has the right to skip the line (actually he skipped the line, not cut the line) as long as the owner allows. Yes, this is America, and it is exactly because it is America that the owner can decide how he wants to run his business. He can decide if he wants to serve his mother before you, and he can decide to serve the president before you.

                                                                                                'The restaurant's owner, Aaron Franklin, told the Austin American-Statesman the president is the first person he's allowed to skip the line, adding that Obama ordered enough meat to "feed a small village."'

                                                                                                1. re: Puffin3

                                                                                                  That's a silly analogy which just doesn't hold up. While we don't have a privileged class, we nevertheless have privileges of rank, and presidents have a lot of privileges while in office. For example, he doesn't have to wait for red lights. His motorcade barrels through town with a police escort which stops traffic at every intetsection. It isn't just a matter of being too important to wait, it's a matter of security. Everywhere he goes in public, he doesn't linger unnecessarily. That's all presidents, not merely this one.

                                                                                              2. This thread is reading like it belongs on The Huffington Post. Just sayin'.

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                                                                                                1. re: grampart

                                                                                                  It's actually fairly restrained compared to how it started out. Many of the original replies are gone.

                                                                                                  1. re: Samalicious

                                                                                                    Including two of mine, that were very, very mild.

                                                                                                    1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                      At least for me, it's an innocuous thread. Kind of fun to read and debate, if so inclined. Some may mean it more innocently, others may have an agenda (won't attempt to speak for the OP). I thought it was interesting and you even learn a little about the posters' personalities, so heck, I'd say leave it on.

                                                                                                      1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                        I agree FattyDumplin. There is much to learn for everyone. If you read my responses to the original (Firegoat), I told him that the president should able to skip the line so long that the owner permitted it, which he did.

                                                                                                        Reading the original post a few more times, I did think about this a bit more. Obama didn't just skip a line in any restaurant. He didn't pull over into a diner with a 5 minute waitline. He pulled into a BBQ joint known to have a 5-hour wait time (probably a bit exaggerated). This is not at all the same as what GH said about motocrade barrel through town with a police escort. The police escort is necessary and important for our national security. Deciding to go to a busy BBQ joint and skip the line is a matter of choice. GH said it isn't just a matter of being too important to wait, it is a matter of security. If security is really the issue, why the most busy restaurant in town?

                                                                                                        < Maybe the mods need to get out more in order to see this for what it is.>

                                                                                                        Maybe it is better the mods do not read too much on other internet sites. This way they don't read too much into things and be more even handed.

                                                                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                          So the president should be certain to humbly eat the crappiest food at the least busy restaurant in every town he visits?

                                                                                                          If I were anywhere nearby, I'd probably be at Franklin too. Personally I think it speaks well for him that he makes food a priority. Certainly there was other food he could have eaten--healthier food, more convenient food. But he wanted to eat the top-rated BBQ in Texas and perhaps the country, and what right-thinking person wouldn't? Our president appears to be a chowhound.

                                                                                                          1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                            <So the president should be certain to humbly eat the crappiest food at the least busy restaurant in every town he visits?>

                                                                                                            Did I actually say that? I didn't say he shouldn't eat there. I said that going to the busiest restaurant in town with a huge crowd does not equal to security. So I think the argument that he was forced to skip the line because of security does not flow well with logic, and that shouldn't be the sole defense.

                                                                                                            The motorcade with police escort is necessary. This one.... not really.

                                                                                                            <Personally I think it speaks well for him that he makes food a priority.>

                                                                                                            Then, exactly my point, it wasn't about just security. He was using his privilege for food enjoyment. Can he do this? Of course, he can. This is his privilege and people on the so called right wing should understand that he is our president and he has certain privileges. At the same time, people on the so called left should not pretend he is doing this solely for security. It is for a photo-op and for food enjoyment.

                                                                                                            He can go to camp David to play golf. It is for his privilege and it is for his enjoyment. He doesn't play golf for his security.

                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                              I don't think anyone's saying he went to Franklin for security reasons. They're saying he didn't stand around Franklin for hours for security reasons.

                                                                                                              Whoever's in the office, their hair generally goes gray pretty much immediately, and this president is no exception. Whoever's in the office, they should still be able to enjoy their life, whether it's jogging, golf, burgers, BBQ, horses, whatever it is. I view evidence that the person in one of the highest-pressure jobs on the planet remembers how to enjoy life as a very positive sign. (And I hate the word privilege with a purple passion. And find it ironic that it's being used in a discussion that is, after all, about BBQ--the people's food last I checked. Food you and I can have anytime we want without the planning that goes into a minor military operation.)

                                                                                                              1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                <I don't think anyone's saying he went to Franklin for security reasons. They're saying he didn't stand around Franklin for hours for security reasons.>

                                                                                                                Like I said, security was not the primary reason of the whole incident. He was using his privilege to get a photo op and get some nice food.

                                                                                                                <And I hate the word privilege with a purple passion...>

                                                                                                                First, I wasn't the first person who started using this word on this thread. Second, it is actually an accurate term. We have right, duty, responsibility and privilege....etc. It certainly wasn't his individual right or his responsibility to skip/cut the waiting line.

                                                                                                                <And find it ironic that it's being used in a discussion that is, after all, about BBQ--the people's food>

                                                                                                                You do understand we are not discussing his ability to eat BBQ, right? It was his ability to skip/cut a line -- common food or not. You cannot do what he did in Franklin to skip/cut a line. Why not? Because you don't have the same individual right? No, because you don't have the same privilege. You can find a different term for later if you hate it so much.

                                                                                                                <Food you and I can have anytime we want without the planning that goes into a minor military operation>

                                                                                                                Playing baseball is also a people's game too, but throwing the first pitch ceremonial pitch is certainly a honor and a privilege:

                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremoni...

                                                                                                    2. As it seems all viewpoints have been aired, posts have become increasingly unfriendly, and the discussion has become about the discussion and its suitability, we're going to lock this now.