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Tipping in Europe

EWSflash Jul 10, 2014 07:40 PM

I'm going to Germany/France/Czech republic soon, and I would like to know the general tipping customs there.No tip? Tips for some services? I have no idea, I haven't been to any foreign countries except Mexico, and any help would be appreciated.

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    Harters RE: EWSflash Jul 11, 2014 02:22 AM

    We have no common practice in Europe. Different countries have their own ways of doing things. For example, in France, service is already covered by the menu price and nothing further is required by way of a tip - although you may wish to "round up" the bill by leaving the change or a € or two. It's a while since I visited Germany but recall that there's a greater "rounding up", if you will - more like 5% than a few coins. I've no idea about the custom in the Czech Republic.

    You'll find that most countries fall into one of three categories for tipping. The French & German ways, of course. And a third way, where more traditional tipping is common (usually at around 10%) - although an increasing number of places in those countries, such as Ireland and the UK, now add a discretionary service charge to the bill, rather than old-fashioned cash tips.

    I suspect European servers generally love North American visitors. Unlike you, many will not ask advice as to local customs and just tip at their normal (20% ?) rate regardless.

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      DukeFan RE: Harters Jul 14, 2014 09:27 AM

      You will also see some european restaurants (especially in tourist destinations) try to take advantge of this. In france a few weeks ago, we received a bill in a cafe with a "suggested tip" on it.

      When i went back with a few french colleagues, we received an entirely different bill with no such message

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        Harters RE: DukeFan Jul 14, 2014 09:35 AM

        I've had similar "taking advantage of" in New York. Bills coming with the "large party" percentage tip already included; others with unreadable scribbles at the bottom adding a %. I haven't worked out exactly what they were up to - either ensuring they get a tip from a tourist by adding the percentage or, on the other hand, hoping that we'd tip as well. Sneaky. And only ever experienced that in NYC - we're hoping to revisit Florida next year and will be interested to see what happens there, bearing in mind it's also a destination for non-American tourists.

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          nocharge RE: Harters Jul 14, 2014 09:51 AM

          In Miami Beach, which has a huge percentage of international visitors, it's quite common. I always assumed it was to protect the servers from getting stiffed by European tourists.

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            Harters RE: nocharge Jul 14, 2014 10:01 AM

            I wonder if they only do it to foreigners or to all customers.

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              nocharge RE: Harters Jul 14, 2014 10:17 AM

              Don't know for sure, but I have a sense they do it for all customers. The credit card slip would have an entry that showed the surcharge plus a note that it took care of service and that no additional tip was needed.

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                Harters RE: nocharge Jul 14, 2014 10:39 AM

                Good to know that they probably don't discriminate against foreigners. Sounds like the system is pretty much how it would operate in the UK - our places that don't have old-fashioned tipping will state on the menu that they add a discretionary service of x% (usually 12.5% in central London, 10% rest of the country) and it appears on the bill as a separate line.

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            PhilD RE: Harters Jul 14, 2014 12:33 PM

            I was in Miami and Key West last year and they calculate a 18% tip on all bills. It's not added as a service charge but as a pre-calculated amount you "choose" to pay. It seemed standard for all "tourists" even those from other US states.

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              medrite RE: Harters Jul 14, 2014 12:42 PM

              I live in Los Angeles and often see the "suggested tip amount" for various percentages printed at the bottom of the check. I've also received checks where a tip of 16-17% has already been added in, especially for large parties. I always chuckle at that one because, left to my own devices, I'd tip closer to 20% (assuming the service was good), but hey, whatever...

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                Harters RE: medrite Jul 15, 2014 06:02 AM

                I think the "suggested tip amount" is quite common in my experience - certainly not confined to touristy places (although I've never holidayed further west than TN)

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                hal2010 RE: Harters Jul 14, 2014 05:03 PM

                Then there's that Portuguese trick where they put a plate of appetizers on the table as soon as you sit down, without a word, then charge you for every piece you eat.

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                ospreycove RE: DukeFan Jul 14, 2014 09:41 AM

                In Rome at a rather well known restaurant, the waiter also mentioned, "the tip is not included", I amswered in Italian. "Do you want me to tell the table there that the tip is not included?", He abruptly left the check and walked away, the table I was refering to was an local Roman family.

                On another occasion, I overheard a tourist,(USA), say to a guide "Should I tip in a restaurant?" the answer "Oh, of course we are just like the States now", I guess the guide was trying to help bring Italy out of her financial crisis!!!

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              nocharge RE: EWSflash Jul 11, 2014 07:34 AM

              If you google "international tipping guide" or "global tipping guide", you'll find lots of free resources on the internet, like this one.
              http://www.cntraveler.com/travel-tips...

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                PhilD RE: nocharge Jul 11, 2014 02:47 PM

                I always question the quality of this type of advice. The link you give for example has Australia down at 10 to 15% but it's generally a no tipping country (staff get paid union negotiated wages by law). In France people leave a few coins or round up to the value of notes and not ten percent. Other countries on the list I am very familiar with have very different guidance to the. Orms I have seen my local colleagues apply.

                To be frank I see a lot of these guides written to salve the conscience of the American traveller who feels uncomfortable tipping less than 20%. Many, many countries don't have tipping cultures, many have set service charges embedded in the bill, and many gave unionised or legislated pay have overtime rates (with paid holidays and pensions) so there is no need to add to the waiters pay as there is in the US.

                Excessive tipping is a American cultural export that a lot of us living on other countries really don't want. Please follow the local norms, and please take advice from good sources - American travel agents based in America (which seemed to be who compiled the advice in the link) may not have the best perspective or even the expertise they profess to have.

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                  nocharge RE: PhilD Jul 11, 2014 04:36 PM

                  "please take advice from good sources"

                  Good idea! Now, where can I find those sources?

                  As for your assertion about Australia being "generally a no-tipping country", even the locals seem to believe that things are a little bit more complicated than that.
                  http://www.goodfood.com.au/good-food/...

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                    Harters RE: nocharge Jul 12, 2014 02:31 AM

                    I believe Phil is also a local.

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                      nocharge RE: Harters Jul 12, 2014 02:48 AM

                      And other locals seem to have different opinions, so why should we take Phil's word as gospel? Most others seem to recognize that this is an issue of some complexity.

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                        Harters RE: nocharge Jul 12, 2014 03:04 AM

                        Well, even the article you link to suggests that Australia is generally regarded as a no/low tipping culture but that is under pressure from American cultural import.

                        There's also the interesting comment that, whilst tipping is growing, the level of tip is decreasing. In my own country, the "going rate" for a restaurant tip used to be 10% but I have sense that many people now leave less than that, if they tip at all.

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                          nocharge RE: Harters Jul 12, 2014 03:28 AM

                          One factor that can influence tip levels is dining trends. If substantial tipping is normally associated with expensive fine dining at fancy restaurants and the trend is that that people increasingly prefer more casual places, that could have an impact.

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                            Harters RE: nocharge Jul 12, 2014 03:41 AM

                            I think you have a point with that. That may also be linked to economic pressure in society with folk thinking "why should I be tipping someone who is probably already earning a higher hourly rate than me". When my brother in law started to drive a taxi, perhaps 10 years back, he reckoned most people would tip. Now, he reckons he's lucky if he gets a couple of tips in a shift with many customers waiting even for very small change.

                            That said, I think Phil has a point about many of the guides being written with American consciences in mind. For example, in the linked article section about Spain, there's a suggestion of rounding up by 7 - 13%. Whereas my Spanish relatives would actually only ever leave the loose change.

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                              PhilD RE: nocharge Jul 12, 2014 04:09 PM

                              Maybe in other countries but the egalitarian Australian culture had never really held the two differently. And in this translates into the fine dining culture which is generally very casual. So, based on my experience no real difference between the two.

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                        PhilD RE: nocharge Jul 12, 2014 03:39 PM

                        "GoodFood" seems to have a bit of a campaign going at the moment to increase tipping in Australia. I suspect it's a publication staffed by industry insiders who are simply pushing tipping here, I note all the comments are from waiters and restaurant owners not the great unwashed public.

                        They recently had another tread about the problems pin on credit cards would bring when they replaced signature cards (by law in August). The article covered all the ways people could still tip. Interesting the avalanche of comments that followed appeared to indicate that the customers thought this was all BS and they saw no reason to tip.....it was almost un-Australian to do so.

                        Then again this week they publish another article that says some restaurants may introduce 10% service charges to make up for the inability to tip with the new cards....!

                        Restaurants in Australia have become very expensive, in part as a result of the previous labour governments changes to employment legislation. These increased set wage rates in industry awards, prescribed overtime rates upto triple time, and increased shift premiums for "anti social" hours - like weekends. Bottom line is a waiter working a public holiday is paid pretty well...!

                        So firstly no need to add a tip, secondly many can't afford to. Many main corse dishes now hit $50 with starters in the $20 to $30 range. Add 10% as a tip and it's getting crazy.

                        In early part of this century restaurant prices increased dramatically. The result was a long long list of closures as diners voted with their wallets and stopped eating out. My instinct says we are about to see the same market adjustment.....and don't get me started on $9 for half a pint of craft beer.

                        Phil - enjoying a wonderfully sunny Sunday morning in Sydney.

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