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What a bunch of silliness

Most of all the entire spring roll thing was wrong on so many levels
They obviously wanted an egg roll - not a spring roll

I am surprised at the judges, I think Graham (?) actually said they wanted something a few levels above a takeout eggroll

Look at any decent Chinese cookbook and there are no recipes for a "takeout" eggroll

Dan said he knew how to do wontons and dumplings-I am not surprised,they are well known Chinese dim sum treats

Also when I have seen and eaten a spring roll, they are no way like the rolls I saw on the show, a spring roll is a delicate fairly transparent skinned snack and they have no "bubbles"

"Dan you should be in your element (or some such comment)" stereotype much?

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  1. I was thinking the same thing. Those are egg roll skins, not spring roll skins. That's the problem with these shows doing ethnic dishes. The judges don't know the dish. These judges have obviously never had a real spring roll. PF Chang's doesn't count, judges. How can they judge what they don't know?

    And why did Courtney not have to cook? Just because she won last time she gets a free pass? Doesn't seem fair. Don't the winners usually just get to be team captains?

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    1. re: chefhound

      I would think the judges know the difference btwn a spring roll and an egg roll - they all live in major cities. Gordo and Elliott are pretty familiar with Asian cuisine. Why they insist calling an egg roll a spring roll is beyond me though.

      1. re: chefhound

        "And why did Courtney not have to cook? Just because she won last time she gets a free pass?"

        I figured that was so that they could have teams of two, without any extra people.

        But given Gordon's increasing fixation on her shoes, and the showrunners' desire for a villain maybe she just got a pass.

      2. I thought it was bizarre they were having them make their own wrappers --- for spring rolls. I recall watching Ming Tsai and Top Chef contestants making spring rolls and they always use some sort of store-bought wrapper... surely if that's good enough for them....
        Also read an interview with Ahran this week where she talked about all the crap she's gotten on social media for screaming at Leslie during the wedding episode and how she and Leslie actually get along great. May be a good lesson for her.

        1. Your name is Madeline! You should be able to bake a madeleine! This is right in your back yard! Are you finished? Have you given up? At least one of you is going home today!

          1. I also thought "those are egg rolls, not spring rolls" but at least according to Google, both types might be called "spring rolls" (Vietnamese vs Chinese)

            https://www.google.com/search?q=sprin...

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            1. re: DGresh

              I hate to disagree with Google but the ones in the pictures under Vietnamese are called fresh rolls, not spring rolls.

              Vietnamese spring rolls have smooth wrappers, just like the Chinese ones but usually have a filling of pork and shrimp, and sometimes taro.

              The Chinese ones have smooth wrappers and a filling of pork.

              The bubbly skinned ones are called egg rolls and are usually filled with vegetables and bean sprouts.

              1. re: chefhound

                I'm no expert but the spring rolls I've ever had have been that thin wrap. Rice paper?

                1. re: ennuisans

                  The thin, smooth spring roll wrappers are opaque.

                  The rice paper wrappers are semi-tranparent and are used for the fresh rolls (not fried). You can fry the rice paper wrappers but they fry up differently.

                  Here's a picture of the most common brand. As you can see, you can't see the filling.

                  http://importfood.com/media/pohpiatod...

                  1. re: chefhound

                    Thanks for that. It would have been the rice paper ones I've had; you can see slivers of carrot and so forth inside it through the skin.

            2. I just realized I stereotyped Dan as well assuming he knew about wontons and dumplings by default because they are Chinese

              apologies

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              1. re: madeliner

                he grew up in CHina and said he grew up making the food

              2. Just a note - if we're going to have new threads each week, would be helpful to link it on the previous one, so everyone knows. We've not usually had separate threads for Master Chef as we do for Top Chef, so I thought the one started on June 30th was going to be extended like the original one until it got too unwieldy. I've posted a link there to this one.
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                My response over there after watching last night was:

                I'm truly tired of Courtney. She's really condescending. I hope she gets her comeuppance.

                Dan and Cutter's combo dish was light years away from anyone else's. Spending 4-1/2 minutes non-discussing what they were going to make really screwed them over. Just PICK UP STUFF in baskets and go!

                And was Gordo being a bit condescending to Dan expecting him to know how to make spring rolls since he's Chinese?

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                1. re: LindaWhit

                  My thought was that it wasn't "condescending". It was downright racist.

                  Imagine saying, hey, you're a black guy from the South, Big Willie, therefore in this challenge for [stereotypical black people food], we expected more out of you.

                  Racist treatment of Asian Americans is still alive and well and very well-accepted in mainstream media and by the general public. For example, search for the thread on CH about a restaurant called "Chink's Steaks" in Philadelphia. It got pretty heated and 2 out of 3 posts were moderated away.

                  1. re: HungWeiLo

                    I can't disagree with you at all but that username tho.

                2. I was not happy that Francis b went home and how they said "Is this how you cook spring rolls in Orlando?"

                  No we don't cook spring rolls like that here, we have a very ethnic Asian part of town (Vietnamese) that would know the difference between spring rolls and egg rolls.

                  I think Francis is better than that. Perhaps it was the greasiness on why he went home over cutter.

                  1. I've very concerned for Courtney's shoes tonight. I hope they do okay.