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Adam Richman goes too far

  1. That was prettttty stupid.

    1. Wow. That's beyond rude. Sounds like he was Posting Under the Influence.

      1. So he was a little rude, but there was nothing wrong with "thinspiration." He should have dismissed his critics in a more gentlemanly way.

        Losing 70 lbs is terrific and he should be proud of that.

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        1. re: GH1618

          Actually, if you know the 'history'/background of the word, you would know what is wrong with it.

            1. re: GH1618

              I am aware of that. That said, there are people who randomly refer to death marches or make comments like "hey, is this thread ready to have the doors shut and the gas pumped in?" who are probably (hopefully) not promoting the holocaust, but could use some sensitivity training nonetheless.

              1. re: linguafood

                I didn't know the connotations behind the word. However if someone corrected me and told me why it could be offensive, (especially if I worked in a high profile job and especially in FOOD) I would thank them for the information, and apologize to anyone I inadvertently offended... then I would go off and enjoy my new television program.

                1. re: Firegoat

                  Right. I think that is the point many here are trying to make. Tough one to understand, apparently :-D

                    1. re: Firegoat

                      The Ana movement is huge Huge HUGE in Asia.
                      ChowTeen has a friend who was hospitalized in 2008 and is Still championing the cause.

                    2. re: linguafood

                      It's kind of insensitive comparing the holocaust to anorexia, no?

                      1. re: Siegal

                        It's flirting with Godwin's Law, I think.

                        1. re: Siegal

                          I wasn't comparing the holocaust to anorexia, but rather pointing out the ignorance about using 'loaded' terms.

                          Surely, you understand the difference?

                          1. re: linguafood

                            I do. But the whole point it's just It's really unnecessary to bring that up in a conversation about a tv personality and crazy twitter people. It trivializes it

                            1. re: Siegal

                              The reason I brought this up here is b/c I have read comments and jokes like that here on CH, which is not only trivializing and insensitive, but incredibly bad taste. And that's really all I have to add at this point.

                          2. re: Siegal

                            I agree. Actually, I thought it was quite inane to compare people's knowledge of gas chambers to people's knowledge of a Twitter hashtag.

                            Using a term that refers to a well recorded and taught-in-every-school historical act - one that can be considered one of the most horrific periods in the history of the modern world, to a Twitter hashtag that a small demographic is familiar with is pretty out there. Gas chambers? Loaded term. #thinspiration? Not so much.

                            Even at 39, I probably skew towards the younger range of Chowhound users and I had no idea what #thinspiration meant to some people in the Twitterverse. Ask any sixth grader about mass killings in gas chambers and they know.

                            Comparing the two as equal is pretty insulting on a variety of levels.

                            I don't fault Richman for using the term, and I still think it is silly that he was attacked for it, but yeah...as a public personality, he should have handled his responses better. There is really no excuse for suggesting to someone that he go and kill himself.

                            1. re: Justpaula

                              I think Lingua's point was misunderstood.

                              1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                That's ok, it's teh interwebz. You get used to it after a while '-D

                      2. re: linguafood

                        Saying thinspiration is meaningless in 99% of cases. Who says he even knew it was a word and he thought he made it up?
                        In fact, thinspiration is not even a word listed in a dictionary...except Urban Dictionary (quite a source for those intellectual minds) meaning "
                        a.)A person's thinspiration is usually an Image or Photograph, but can be many other things like: Lyrics, Poems, Quotes, Sayings, etc..

                        b.)An inspiration to stay thin. "

                        get over yourself. It is meaningless.

                        1. re: genoO

                          He was criticized for being a dick about it *after* he knew the background.

                          And reading some of the crap he wrote afterwards, he can go fuck himself.

                          Bummer, I always kinda liked the guy.

                          1. re: linguafood

                            I used to like him too. Pity that he, like so many other people when they get to celebrity status, forget that it is the customer, whether in a restaurant, or a viewer on TV that put them there.

                            1. re: linguafood

                              I'm with you.

                              And I also suspect that a public figure spewing venom like that on social media might have been on the sauce or otherwise not thinking clearly.

                            2. re: genoO

                              Nobody's judging him for being uninformed, it's his reaction AFTER he got complaints that got him in trouble. Much like if Paula Deen had simply acknowledged that her choice of words was inappropriate (rather than trying to justify their [racist] cultural context) she would not have caused the uproar that ensued.

                              1. re: genoO

                                Actually, the word is not meaningless because words gain meaning according to social use. (Goodness knows this is why so many people argue that incorrect usage is acceptable.)

                                More importantly, this was a term used on twitter with a hashtag, and that increases its social meaning, because it functions as a search term and can create directed feeds. Someone liking and pursuing Richman's hashtag, intended for himself, could readily stumble upon this other existing field. In that way, he affiliated himself with these groups (the pro-anas and the like).

                                Obviously he didn't intend to and that's why people wrote to him-- to point this out. Noone was incensed with him or giving him grief, just pointing this out.

                                And then he responded as he did, which was in a manner utterly unacceptable-- so much so that his programmes are now on ice.

                                His response was disproportionate to what he received and his apologies began as non-apologies and have started to work their way into the lukewarm.

                            3. re: GH1618

                              He was more than " a little rude."

                              1. re: GH1618

                                That was the point. When someone disagrees with you - especially when you have a high profile - you approach the situation with a little more thought. It wasn't the first post that got him in trouble, it was the second.

                                1. re: ferret

                                  Celebs sometimes forget they are in the public eye and what they say online is like the shot heard round the world. He only apologized for using the C-word and making the suicide comment after his show was pulled.

                                  Now of course, he'll portray himself as the victim.

                                  I have an idea - New TV show starring Adam Richman and Paula Deen, called Big Mouths, Little Brains.

                                  1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                    Paula Deen press release from two weeks from now: the newest addition to the Paula Deen online network will be Adam Richman!

                                2. re: GH1618

                                  "Thinspiration" may have been the trigger word for his commenters, but that's not where he went too far, or what got his show pulled.

                                  Comments to his critics, like this one, are where he was beyond rude: He fired back with his own remarks -- including one regrettable comment: "Grab a razor blade and draw a bath. I doubt anyone will miss you."

                                3. Let's see if he keeps it off, that's the test of time.

                                  1. This isn't as much about a word that some find to have a negative connotation, it's about Richman's hair-trigger response.
                                    It was a non story until he made it a story.

                                    Really, really dumb move.

                                    I don't get social media, for the most part, and this is exhibit A.

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                                    1. re: monavano

                                      I don't get social media either. That's what happens after reading what a fat POS you are for the thousand time. You blow up.

                                      1. re: emglow101

                                        However, if you're a public figure that relies on likeability and public viewership then "blowing up" is a career misstep.

                                        1. re: ferret

                                          Huge misstep.
                                          Unplug from Twitter and play some Angry Birds, dude.

                                          Just walking away, turning off, or otherwise engaging will take your mind off of some anonymous person's rantings.

                                          Adam has to get that kind of willpower, too.

                                        2. re: emglow101

                                          I just don't get why anyone, especially a celeb, would sit there and read, let alone engage back against, this utterly meaningless drivel.
                                          I would hate "having" to have a Twitter account.

                                          1. re: monavano

                                            Ironically it's all about having control over your own publicity.

                                            1. re: ennuisans

                                              I think celebs at his level need to have their PR people or an intern control the social media messages.
                                              Personal attacks on social media can make people lose their minds.

                                      2. I think for every ten people stopped on the street maybe 3 or 4 might know who this guy actually is. He's not exactly what I would call a household name. Not like Paula. Guess only time will tell. They've only postponed the show so far.

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                                        1. re: miss_belle

                                          I've liked Richman for years, *because* of his mild-mannered-guy-on-the-streets persona.
                                          I hope he can right the ship.
                                          The quick apology was a start.

                                          1. re: miss_belle

                                            He has 636,000 followers on Twitter. Very large following. Not me though. I don't like him or his shows.

                                            1. re: miss_belle

                                              He's hosting another show this month, a cookoff show on NBC called "Food Fighters". I wonder how that will play out.

                                              1. re: ennuisans

                                                Oh brother, that's just what we need is another cookoff/throwdown show. And with a name like FOOD Fighters no less. I won't be watching it that's for sure.

                                              1. re: beevod

                                                To the first offense, I agree.
                                                To the second, not so sensitive- it was an ugly, deplorable thing to say.
                                                You just do not go there.

                                                1. re: beevod

                                                  Not really. He just doesn't sing my song. More of a Meh, than a Nay. YMMV.

                                                  1. re: EatFoodGetMoney

                                                    Same people who gave a fuck about Gilbert Gottfried's tasteless tweets, joking about the Japanese tsunami, which got him fired from the most stupid easy job in Hollywood- sounding like a duck.

                                                    Someone, somewhere gives a fuck when you lose your 6, more like 7-figure income.

                                                    I'm not saying that I'm going to lose sleep over what he tweeted, but there are plenty of people who will be calling for his head after this.

                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                      I guess I just don't pay attention to what people say unless they generally say intelligent important things. This guy is just some ass clown who has a tv show, why does anyone even give 2 shits what he says?

                                                      1. re: EatFoodGetMoney

                                                        He's got a huge following, so you have to think outside yourself and put yourself in their shoes, or anyone's shoes who have been let down by someone they admire.

                                                        I like him, but don't care if he gets another gig.
                                                        Same for Paula Deen.

                                                        It doesn't mean that their faux pas don't have real world consequences that are worthy of consideration and broader discussion.

                                                  2. I was annoyed by Richman in his show Man vs. Food. I didn't like the repackaging of that show, and I am quite sure I would not watch his latest show, when it is finally telecast.

                                                    I also think he should delete his Twitter and Instagram account.

                                                    I remember years ago getting advice that when responding to an insult with the written word (paper, back in the day) that you should write the letter and leave it alone overnight. That's the problem with these social media applications, there is no cooling down period to collect rational thoughts.

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                                                    1. re: John E.

                                                      I think the not cooling off is because people write crap that they'd NEVER say to your face, then you fire back in kind.

                                                      It's all about the lack of face to face interaction where normal social norms go bye bye.

                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                        When teenagers do it, it's cyber bullying. Except that's when it is a personal attack on someone you know.

                                                        Personally, I don't have any of these types of accounts. I don't even have a Facebook page despite the requests. It's just not something I'm interested in.

                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                          I had a Facebook page for about 6 minutes. I wish I hadn't. I spent way too long trying to kill it before I figured out all you can do is go idle. I would shoot in the head if I could, just make it go away forever.

                                                          1. re: DuffyH

                                                            My father had a Facebook page for about that length of time. My nephew was stationed in Iraq and wanted my dad to have a Facebook page. Since my retired father was a prominent businessman in his industry, he got tons of request to be 'friends'. He asked me what that meant. I told him he would be exchanging messages with them and that any or all of them would see whatever he says on his Facebook page. I told him he could put photos up on his page and have all kinds of fun. He told me to delete it and never speak of it again. He will occasionally get an e-mail from Facebook telling them how much they miss him. He asks me to get them to stop sending him that crap (unsubscribe). He hasn't received any of those messages in a while. It's possible they got the hint.

                                                            I spend enough time here and other websites that I visit daily. To quote Betty White, "It seems like a colossal waste of time to me."
                                                            (To Facebook fans...I understand there are good things about Facebook. I just choose to not avail myself to them.)

                                                    2. He was stupid - but people are WAY to easily offended these days every time a celeb or public figure makes an off comment they are thrashed - yet listen to and read how people actually converse - we should all have a little leeway to say something dumb once in a while and we should all probably try harder not to as well.

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                                                      1. re: JTPhilly

                                                        If someone called your mom the C word, and said she should die, etc... she might be a bit offended. Honestly, after a short hiatus, he'll be back. Sadder but hopefully wiser.

                                                        1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                          being offended would be the whole point I think.

                                                          1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                            my mother taught public school the Bronx for 30 years and has 3 adult step children - worse things have been said to her - she can hold her own very well.

                                                            still, yes, offended, of course but there is a difference between offended and scandalized and if you don't think much of the person hurling words like that at you that have little weight. It is truly hurtful to be insulted or otherwise assaulted by someone you care about - but a semi-celebrity getting into a nasty twitter fight - not keeping me up at night.

                                                            1. re: JTPhilly

                                                              I honestly don't think the point of his firing is because the person he said nasty things to was personally offended. Rather it was in a very public forum and got a lot of negative attention of people going "ew, what an unsavory fellow".

                                                              TV shows are financial entities and require having sponsors want to tie themselves to the show and the stars promoting the show. If you don't think that your star can keep sponsors or that your star may alienate viewers, cheaper to pass on it. If television personalities want environments that aren't as heavily tied to sensitive sponsors - go into podcasting and/or try to get on XM radio. Basic cable ain't your venue.

                                                              1. re: cresyd

                                                                I imagine that Richman had some sort of morality clause.

                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                  I'm sure. If school teachers have been able to be fired after having pictures of them posted on facebook with alcohol - then there's no way Richman's contract doesn't have a morality cause.

                                                                  Just spend some time on AskAManager for all of the things not-famous people can and do get fired for all the time. No one's saying Richman should go to jail or never get a job ever again. He's just not going to be the star of a tv show right now.

                                                              2. re: JTPhilly

                                                                However, had your mom said that to the kids, she would have been reprimanded. Her boss would have taken action. In this case, Adam Richman's boss took action.

                                                                1. re: JTPhilly

                                                                  Your example involves your mother taking this from students. I'm glad you chose this example because it is commensurate with the Richman case IF we turn it around. Your mother did not respond to lip by telling people to kill themselves and using foul language. And I'm sure that if a teacher (a person in power*, a person with a larger platform in this scenario) cursed at a student or told him to kill himself, there would be strong response.

                                                                  Richman is free to write what he wants, and I imagine the women on the receiving end didn't fall into a heap. However, they did talk about it, because it was a stunningly incommensurate response and because it shows some extraordinarily bad judgement on the part of a man who receives an even larger platform though the television networks, and said network realised there was a problem, and a PR problem at that. (Also, what cresyd said.)

                                                            2. Publicity stunt to get attention for the show when it does debut? As long as they spell your name right thing going on? Keeping up with his image as a bad boy? I suspect this is what may be going on.

                                                              1. at least for once, a public figure/celebrity faced with a comeuppance said "I'm incredibly sorry to everyone I've hurt."

                                                                and not the usual dipshit sidestep of "I'm sorry IF I've offended/hurt anyone" which (to me) implies the reader or viewer has a sensitivity problem.

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                                                                1. re: hill food

                                                                  That's the most telling difference between an apology, and the faux apology: accepting responsibility for the consequences of your actions. The "if" throws that away, as does language like "those who were offended by what I said" - instead of "those who I offended".

                                                                2. As usual, media blows it up to be something seemingly important.

                                                                  1. Maybe Robert Irvine should start a new show, "Cooking Show Impossible", where he attempts to repair the career of wayward TV cooks and chefs. Paula Deen, Adam Richman etc would take his advice or not on the pilot episode. ;-).

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                                                                    1. re: Antilope

                                                                      Bring in Igor from Restaurant Takeover/Makeover because then there might be fistfights.

                                                                      1. re: Antilope

                                                                        I think Irvine would be qualified for a TV chef rehab show. He is certainly more qualified to do that than he is qualified for his current show.

                                                                        1. re: Antilope

                                                                          The only problem with that idea is what to do after the pilot episode. Guess they could always dredge up Anne Thornton( I liked her dessert show) and god only knows who else. Oh geez, this doesn't even bear thinking about..

                                                                        2. I quite like this commentary: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...

                                                                          The comments section contains some gems as well.

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                                                                          1. re: PhilD

                                                                            I like it also. The word is not the problem. Richman is not responsible for anyone's eating disorder.

                                                                            On the other hand, the more I read about Richman ( I had never heard of him before this imbroglio), the less I like him.

                                                                            1. re: GH1618

                                                                              I don't really have an opinion about the man, but I do worry about the PC nature of this type of reaction. I quite like it when a personality gives as good as they get on-line.

                                                                              I prefer people to be real rather than totally PR'd. If you see the real person its easier to get a read of them for example Gordon Ramsay may well be a really nice person with a manufactured nasty persona for TV. Whilst Justin Bieber seems, IMO, be a less than wholesome based on some of the recent press.

                                                                              1. re: GH1618

                                                                                No one said he was responsible for an eating disorder.

                                                                                It is curious that everyone keeps focussing on 'thinspiration'. Yes, it is a term used by pro-Ana groups and yes, Richman used it, most likely unintentionally.

                                                                                But that is not why there has been blow back. It comes from his disproportionate and hostile response to those telling him about the word.

                                                                                So why the continued focus on weight loss and 'thinspiration'? Is it because it a grants people more of a harrumphing posture than dealing with hateful behaviour?

                                                                                And the Comment is Free, like many of the CIF, is ugly when the author justifies/sympathises with Richman's response. Look, I can understand getting upset, but telling someone to kill themselves because no one will miss them anyway is something that comes from a very angry person-- someone in need of therapy. Perhaps one of you can remember that it was repeated posts like that which got him into hot water?

                                                                                1. re: Lizard

                                                                                  Yes, his inappropriate response was the problem. He should have told off his critics in a more dignified way. He was a bad boy. OK?

                                                                                  1. re: GH1618

                                                                                    Just wanted to say something, what with you perseverating over a moot point. No need to get upset.

                                                                            2. When I was in the Navy, we used to call that, "Stepping on your own d***."

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                                                                              1. re: al b. darned

                                                                                I just confirmed this with ex-Navy (submarine) DH.
                                                                                "It's like you just can't even get out of your own way"

                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                  Actually, in the Surface Navy it meant the same as, "Shooting yourself in the foot" or "Putting your foot in your mouth."

                                                                                  In other words, you f***ed up really bad and it was your own fault.

                                                                              2. Some seriously dumb things to say. Someone with his media experience should be a littlee more davy.

                                                                                I'd had no idea about the connotation of 'thinsperation' I can see it being an honest mistake. But his reaction just boggles the mind.

                                                                                Perhaps Paula's PR person is available.

                                                                                1. Yeah he's an idiot and deserves whatever consequences he receives. You've got to know better when you live in the public eye you can't be telling people to go kill themselves. Stupid idiot.

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                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    I would understand if he told someone to go eff themself but do not understand how he arrived at telling someone to kill themself.

                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                      I think telling someone to kill themself is about the worst to say to them.

                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                        I don't know if anyone can recover from that.
                                                                                        Not only did Richman tell someone to kill themself, painfully, I might add, but he suggested that someone's father really should have worn a condom.
                                                                                        That's just pure hatred, not just an obscenity-laced rant.

                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                          Now, now, he could have resorted to the meanest most hatefilled insult of all.

                                                                                          "The best part of your father dripped down your mothers leg"

                                                                                          Now that's obsenity laced.

                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                              It's one of the worst ugliest ones I ever heard firsthand. I simply blinked and stared them down in silence with an arched eyebrow, nonplussed.

                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                Good response- there are just no words for that...

                                                                                            2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                              The meanest insult I ever heard was when a guy I know said about his boss, "If he had any friends, he'd retire."

                                                                                    2. Well I was wrong. As I switched the channel as he pimped himself out to force feed himself, I always thought he was better then that and they should give him a real show.

                                                                                      Now he's sold himself out to Walmart.

                                                                                      Cut your losses Adam boy. Blame it on the diet drugs and take a long vacation.

                                                                                      They'll welcome you back. But some will never forget what a putz you became. Or maybe you always were?

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                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                        I forgot about Walmart- I've seen the commercials.
                                                                                        I wonder if Walmart will drop him.

                                                                                        eta: Apparently Walmart is sticking with Richman for now.
                                                                                        The same company that dropped Paula Deen for admitting to using the N-word.
                                                                                        So, go slit your wrists, you should never have been born and c*nt don't rate badly enough.
                                                                                        Hmm, interesting.

                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                          they've surely quietly pulled his campaign ad at the least. no need to stir the pot in a media frenzy, simply quietly show him the door with a gag order.

                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                            I think there's a chance they might still drop him.
                                                                                            But you're right- they are just silently hanging back, laying low and waiting to see what the fallout is.

                                                                                        2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                          An association with Wal-Mart seals it for me. That's really low.

                                                                                          1. re: GH1618

                                                                                            yup, so far he has promoted binge eating, suicide and the Waltons.

                                                                                            1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                              If you are experiencing "meat sweats", you are doing something wrong!

                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                Adam has had shows on TV for years, made more money than the above average person . He has been able to travel and get to know chefs and people personally being part of his job.
                                                                                                He managed to lose 70 pounds and anyone with a brain knows this is 80% will power...if not more.
                                                                                                This whole uproar over something he said is just a complete waste of energy. He has surpassed anything most will ever do in their entire life.
                                                                                                Cut it some slack, find another place to vent your rage about an unjust life.

                                                                                                1. re: genoO

                                                                                                  You're post is so off point that I'll just SMH.


                                                                                                  ps... watched him for years, been on CH for years with my support, met him once on location- very, very nice guy.

                                                                                                  How's that for rage?

                                                                                        3. Never thought Adam Richman had such cruel mean thoughts, he seemed like a nice guy. That's the only good thing about people saying what they feel, you do get a glimpse of what they really are like.

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                                                                                          1. re: hueyishere

                                                                                            I suspect there are two sides to this story.

                                                                                            The "Adipose Activist" - yes a real blog name belonging to Amber Sarah a boston college student - she and her friends who promote it's OK to be fat are the protagonists on the other side of this story (interesting link http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate...).

                                                                                            I thought it intriguing that Richman seemed to get into an argument with a group rather than random individuals.

                                                                                            I also read an interesting statistic on a UK site regarding the "thinspiration" bit - 6.5% of the UK population have eating disorders like anorexia, but 65% of the UK population are overweight. I appreciate both are serious issues but it is interesting that one issue gets more attention than the other in the bear up over Adam's post.

                                                                                            1. re: PhilD

                                                                                              I don't have any real opinion of Richman, but I can see your point.

                                                                                              Fact is we have an internet argument that (quickly? eventually?) degenerated to the point of nasty insults. As internet arguments sometimes do. But we only see the insults posted by Richman, and not the actual comments leading up to those insults because the story was reported by one of the arguing parties, not both. Richman took down the argument - maybe because he was being an asshole, or maybe because it was bad press regardless of how the fight was instigated. "Kill yourself" seems shocking coming out of the blue, but not in the context of plenty of internet arguments I've come across.

                                                                                              1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                "Kill yourself" seems shocking coming out of the blue, but not in the context of plenty of internet arguments I've come across.
                                                                                                Sad, but true.
                                                                                                It just disappointed me that Richman crawled into the cesspool of pointless hate.

                                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                                  Agreed. At the very least, his comments showed a lack of savvy, creativity, and high-mindedness.

                                                                                                  My point was just that if you're already in a full-blown monkey fight, it's no longer a huge breech of etiquette to fling a little shit.

                                                                                                  1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                    That made me chuckle, thanks.

                                                                                                2. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                  While it may not be in the general course of internet fights - the reality remains is that he had far more to lose given the visibility and nature of his job.

                                                                                                  I've heard a number of older personalities (varying degrees of fame) talk about the reason that they don't have twitter accounts is because they fear they'd be fired within a week. Basically, they know themselves, they know their sensitivities, and that they'd probably lash out at some point in a way that would put their job in jeopardy.

                                                                                                  His job is to be likable. He damaged that image. But even someone like Anthony Cumio (XM talk radio personality) can now get fired for being nasty on social media when their on-air personality is to be a bit nasty and not PC. If this is someone's industry of choice, learn the standards and know the risks.

                                                                                                  1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                    Hence the lack of savvy I mentioned above.

                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                      Totally agree with the "lack of savvy" line and understand that it's safest these days to be squeaky clean etc etc.

                                                                                                      However, I do have a concern about the mob mentality that seems to take over if anyone steals over the line independent of any of the reasons or provocation.

                                                                                                      Internet bullying is a new phenomena and the mob reaction seen in these sorts of instances seems to be a very real example of it. Someone slips up, they get called out by a vocal (bullying) minority, others join in, more follow, and something quite trivial gets out of control with a reaction totally out of proportion to the original indiscretion.

                                                                                                      If it was high school and a kid did something minor wrong (dated the wrong boy/girl for example) got picked on by a small clique and then the rest of the school piled on making the kids life hell. What would we think?

                                                                                                      1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                        I think that the power dynamics here make that comparison inappropriate. A more apt comparison in my opinion would be that if a teacher got angry and snapped at a student using inappropriate language. If the student body response to that was "this is not someone we want as a teacher" - that would be a more similar comparison.

                                                                                                        Adam Richman is in a position of power - or perhaps more accurately having exchanged one kind of power for another (i.e. the power to express yourself freely in order to be on TV and have a TV audience). If I want to be a teacher, but don't think I'm able to control saying the occasional obscenity - I leave myself open to disciplinary action. If I want to be a celebrity/public personality and am not able to refrain from that style of debate/argument - then I leave myself open to disciplinary action.

                                                                                                        Perhaps over the past 2-3 decades the goldfish bowl on our lives has become more critical - but within the past 5 years, I really don't have sympathy for someone not getting this as a professional liability.

                                                                                                        1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                          But a teacher has a duty of care and certain clearly defined professional standards. There needs to be a distance between teachers and students for obvious reasons. And that is not just a moral duty but in many countries also a legal one ( plus all the professional codes of conduct etc).

                                                                                                          I argue that is very different from how new media works, the barriers between to broadcasters and consumers have broken down, especially in the peripheral world of low budget TV channels. The consumers (bloggers) also have significant more power due to the access and reach that twitter etc gives them. The democratization of media means the relative power status of the protagonists is quite different. It's also further complicated because "we" want our media personalities to be "real" rather than cleaner than clean - so the lines between right and wrong are very blurry (which is not the case with teacher/student).

                                                                                                          However, to slightly argue against myself, I think I recall cases of students bullying staff members, even before social media started....and there is always "Lord of the flies"

                                                                                                          1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                            I agree that the lines get very blurry particularly when I think of radio personalities like Don Imus and Anthony Cumia who made careers entirely off of being non-PC, and then do one non-PC act that gets social media mainstream traction and leads to their termination (temporary or not). While I am no fan of either of them, I have far greater sympathy for them as they exist in a world that really looks to push and challenge the boundaries - and then all of a sudden get penalized for the personality they've been encouraged to develop.

                                                                                                            It's hard for me to feel similar sympathy for a Travel Channel personality. If you go on the Travel Channel or any other broadcast largely reaching for PG content with occasional dabbles into PG-13. Maybe Richman saw himself as a potential TC replacement for Anthony Bourdain's more adult oriented content - but it's just hard for me to have any sympathy about where he took that debate/argument. Now, if he was working on Knife Fight (on Esquire) that's clearly going for a more adult dynamic, then again there would be some context on the type of tone and social media presence he'd be looking to cultivate. But as a family friendly, TV-Everybody type host - I don't feel bad for him.

                                                                                                            1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                              Excellent point- a distinction *with* a difference.
                                                                                                              The proverbial line is drawn in difference places for different people, depending on their public persona, like say for example, Mr. Rogers and Howard Stern.
                                                                                                              Extreme, I know, but I remember back when I first moved to D.C., I listened to a Shock Jock named "Greaseman".
                                                                                                              The "Greaseman" put shock into shock jock- and he was making a really, really good living doing so.
                                                                                                              Until he went too far.

                                                                                                              I don't wish upon Richman the end of his career, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities when you go too far... on Twitter of all things.
                                                                                                              Throwing your career, or the possibilities of greatness for your career, away on Twitter is like flushing money, dignity and class down the toilet.
                                                                                                              It's just too simple to avoid, especially for someone as intelligent as Richman.

                                                                                                              A little summary on the demise of The Greaseman:

                                                                                                          2. re: cresyd

                                                                                                            Unless you belong to the NYC teachers union, mess up and get to sit in a Rubber Room collecting pay and benefits for the rest of your miserable stinking life.

                                                                                                            "Adam Richman is in a position of power".

                                                                                                            Huh? What kind of power of position does Adam Richman have? Too funny.

                                                                                              2. I expect this is the end for him. He was a minor media figure without any particular talent beyond an approachable everyman persona. Without that to offer, and he made certain no one will view him that way again, there is absolutely no reason to put him on TV.

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                                                                                                1. re: Kater

                                                                                                  His strong suit was his "man on the street" and he did it well.
                                                                                                  I posted above that I met him briefly on location (Philly) and he was so, so nice to this fan who wanted to meet him at 8am, while he and his producer were busy scouting locations.

                                                                                                2. This guy is famous for shoveling obnoxious amounts of food down his gullet and trying not to throw up afterward. I'm shocked that he's a d*** in real life (sarcasm). That he even had a show to begin with is telling of American culture...and we wonder why we're fat.

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                                                                                                  1. re: BostonLover

                                                                                                    Yet, Sonya Thomas, a competitive eater, known as "The Black Widow", weighs in at 98-lbs. and she's been shoveling obnoxious amounts of food down her gullet for years.
                                                                                                    She makes a good living at it and people are riveted watching her.
                                                                                                    Richman has been transparent about his eating habits outside of filming.
                                                                                                    He never ate like that as a matter of course, exercised intensively and was closely monitored by a doctor.

                                                                                                    I always had concerns for his health, that this binging would eventually catch up with him, and have been vocal about it.

                                                                                                    I just don't think we can pillory Richman for the fact that he's very, very good at drawing eyeballs to watch him eat, and blame America's obesity problem on shows like this.

                                                                                                    That, he does not deserve to go down for.

                                                                                                  2. The putz is getting a pass from the Waltons

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                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                      money talks, bullshit walks. It's all about who you know.

                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                            I figured I pushed it far enough but that's the way it works.
                                                                                                            he will still be making a tidy sum with benefits. No worries.
                                                                                                            All this stupid ranting just made his worth go up 15% in a week. Nice.

                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                          Apparently the C word isn't nearly as offensive to the Waltons/Board of Directors as the N word.

                                                                                                          Although I do agree with another poster that WM will quietly let him go. Like they don't have enough problems with this and that concerning their business practices.

                                                                                                          As an aside: I just noticed Marissa Mayer of Yahoo fame is on their BOD. I must have missed that bit of news before.

                                                                                                          1. re: miss_belle

                                                                                                            Well thats because calling a black person a nigger is much much worse than calling a woman a cunt. This isn't even close.

                                                                                                            1. re: MVNYC

                                                                                                              Not according to the two black women I asked.

                                                                                                        2. Not sure if this was posted. Me thinks Bettendorf woman doth protest and play the innocent a bit too much.

                                                                                                          Color me cynical.


                                                                                                          she sounds a bit like one of those bullies - we all know them - that grab onto someone like a rabid starved pit bull.

                                                                                                          At least he admits to his behavior.

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                                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                            Bella - agree. I also wonder how stormy the internet storm really was. Was it really viral reaching millions across the world, or was it a little wind passing in a group of friends?

                                                                                                            1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                              Then this woman posted a comment to his Instagram and, after no response from AR, posted to her own Instagram asking her followers to let AR know he was wrong to use that hashtag. That's when things got ugly...

                                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                Once again, Adam is a successful business man and this hack lives in Bettendorf, Iowa. I have traveled through that fine village, hoping I won't get a speeding ticket.

                                                                                                              2. The most telling point about this whole incident is that mainstream media sites have become the thought police for social media, and entertainment brands are scared to death of that. Because in reality, the entire incident was so innocuous nobody should really care less.

                                                                                                                In most of these cases the need for "sensitivity training" amounts to nothing more than how to avoid getting screwed by the media. It is about PR, not ethics or morality.

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                                                                                                                1. re: calumin

                                                                                                                  ... the entire incident was so innocuous nobody should really care less. ...

                                                                                                                  I don't see how this incident is even vaguely reminiscent of the "Thought Police" in 1984. Richman opened his mouth and then stuck both feet and all the way up to his knees. Then after removing his feet from his mouth he metaphorically unzipped his trousers, took out his d***, and stomped on it with both feet at the same time. His only saving grace, IMHO, is that he didn't use any ethnic or racial slurs.

                                                                                                                  While his "#thinspiration" hashtag may have been innocuous (and maybe even innocent) at first, his reaction to being called out on it surely wasn't. Starting with calling the woman called him out "the C word" and then telling someone to commit suicide ("Grab a razor blade and draw a bath. I doubt anyone will miss you." ) could hardly be described as a slip of the tongue.

                                                                                                                  Mere mortals have lost jobs (sacked or not offered a job in the first place) over postings on social media far less offensive than this. I don't think he should be given a "Get Out Of Jail Free Card" just because he's a celebrity.

                                                                                                                  It makes no nevermind to me whether he stays or goes, as I seldom watch him anyway. I wouldn't of watched his new show, either. Not because he was the host, but because it's the same old rehash of all the other shows like this that have gone before him.Yaaaawn! And I am not any more likely to purchase Walmart meat whether he's their spokesman or not.

                                                                                                                  1. re: al b. darned

                                                                                                                    You're proving my point. You don't seem actually offended by his posts. Your argument is that his posts don't conform to some kind of social norm of how people are supposed to act on social media. And when people go outside those bounds, they have to pay a penalty. You seem quite happy with your metaphors about the way in which he did some socially unacceptable things.

                                                                                                                    It's really childish. What is strange to me is why people even care about this in the first place or why people take such joy at watching people ruin their careers for breaking these dumb rules about social conformity.

                                                                                                                  2. re: calumin

                                                                                                                    "mainstream media sites have become the thought police"

                                                                                                                    That's hardly a new thing. Entertainment brands - way before social media - have long sought to engineer things via the media for a desired effect and avoiding a 'thought police' effect. Why were gay stars paired with stars of the opposite sex if not to avoid the "media thought police"? It was all about selling the "right" image and avoiding the "wrong" one. This is to say nothing about the connections between media and politics going all the way back to the early 20th century and yellow journalism.

                                                                                                                    None of this stuff is new, it's just in a different box.

                                                                                                                    1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                                      but the boxes used to be prettier...

                                                                                                                      1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                        Bring me the social constraints and limitations that I'm used to please!

                                                                                                                        1. re: cresyd

                                                                                                                          I can do without some of those boxes (ie gay stars should be able to live their lives without worry for their career) and there are some boxes that ought to be better made (Lindsay Lohan really ought to rethink her PR/publicity strategy).

                                                                                                                          Richman? ehh this is a tempest in a teapot.

                                                                                                                  3. WM is still running Adam's hamburger commercial as of this morning, so he may be OK with that deal.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                      "All publicity is good publicity" maybe a little trite but I think there are few things that really are bad and really change public perception significantly. The recent child abuse scandals in the UK are an good example one of them.

                                                                                                                      Most media managers are savvy enough to recognize this, and calibrate the response accordingly. They even appreciate that a "celeb" with a bit of attitude appeals to lots of consumers - especially red meat eaters.

                                                                                                                      I think his series was postponed not cancelled - no doubt giving the opportunity for sone "bad boy" publicity closer to the broadcast date. After all Ramsay has created a whole image that has led to his media success - and given the amazing talent he nurtured and developed in his kitchens his real personality is probably very different to the one we see.

                                                                                                                    2. I saw a teaser commercial for Adam's new show on NBC, so I guess he's out of the dog house.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                        He's half-in, half out. The Travel Channel has yet to put his other new show back on schedule. In any case, his bank account won't suffer, and he's not hiding out, just ducking some questions. Looks like his PR folks brought him to heel.

                                                                                                                        1. re: mcsheridan

                                                                                                                          No mention that what he said was wrong. Just that he is learning to cope with his "0 to 60" career.

                                                                                                                          He doesn't get it, never will.

                                                                                                                          1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                            Bottom line: he doesn't want to stir the pot anymore and become another Paula Deen story. Better to just keep quiet now. I'll bet NBC execs had his agent explain as much, too.

                                                                                                                        2. re: monavano

                                                                                                                          I suspect that much of the season of "Food Fighters" has already been filmed.
                                                                                                                          NBC won't take THAT much of a loss.

                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                            Also as of last night Man vs Food was still airing in reruns on TC.

                                                                                                                          2. Without reading his twitter account to see all the details and just relying on the article I can fully understand Adam Richman. He posts a picture and then includes a hashtag which is not politically correct enough for some idiots. I think the PC movement in this country is going way too far and he is just doing the right thing and DGAS

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                                                                                                                            1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                              Most of the outrage isn't about the #, but his responses.

                                                                                                                              Go read.
                                                                                                                              It's NSFW, by the way, which might support the idea that he was in error.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                                                I can understand his reaction especially as it is based on people being way, way overly PC and the best response is to be particular non PC. (Do these people really expect that everybody checks every word if it is used in a different context somewhere and than it has to be only used in the way those people want ?)

                                                                                                                                1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                  The outrage isn't about the #,
                                                                                                                                  but his responses.

                                                                                                                                  Go read.


                                                                                                                                  1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                                                    Did you read my comment - I said I can understand his reactions and subsequent tweets

                                                                                                                                    1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                      I genuinely agree with you about the PC/Internet backlash phenomena.
                                                                                                                                      I really wanted to know how you felt after you read his actual words.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                                                        Sometimes you need a rather rude response to wake up more people that we have to stop those overly PC people from imposing their rules how, what and when we can speak (on social media)

                                                                                                                                        1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                          You keep referring to "overly" PC people. Is there a certain amount of political correctness that allowable in your view? A line which one should not go over lest you impose your own rules on how what and when people can speak their mind?

                                                                                                                                          1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                            Obviously this is a discussion board where we all express our own opinions which are subjective and it will be impossible to find a objective way to define any "lines". And so it has to be done case by case and in this particular one the original metioning of "thinspiration" from somebody who just lost 70 pounds isn't even close to be offensive and theree shouldn't be any calls on him to not use the word for his achievement just because another group also uses it in their context (which they still can do). I have problems with any groups trying to impose definitions of any words according to their rules on everybody else. From me that is a good example for being overly PC.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                              Right. The thinspiration comment wasn't meant to cause offense, nor was the reply by another Instagram user pointing out that the word had another specific meaning. It became offensive with Richman's reply, which would be spelled out as "Do I look like I give a f---?"

                                                                                                                                              Richman inadvertently used a word that is used by many to promote a life-threatening lifestyle, and in his words he did not care. For me that is a good example of having his head up his ass.

                                                                                                                                              And you know, it happens to all of us. He wanted to celebrate his own accomplishments and instead got reminded of the struggles of others. He felt blameless in his word choice, and in fact he was, but the scorn and mockery he followed with was pretty shameful.

                                                                                                                                              And for that he's apologized, and I think sincerely. It's easy to get carried away on the Internet sometimes, and forget that people are people no matter how different their opinion is from our own.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                                                "Richman inadvertently used a word that is used by many to promote a life-threatening lifestyle, and in his words he did not care. For me that is a good example of having his head up his ass."

                                                                                                                                                Sorry but I have to disagree with that - just because somebody uses a certain word in a certain context I (or anybody, even a public figure) shouldn't have to research before posting anything if this might potentially have any other meaning. I think DILLIGAF is not the most politically correct but understandable response. And it is not only that the person who responded to him about the "misuse" of the world just wanted to bring up that it is also used in another context but expected even an apology. Here from her blog "...we’ve all used words by mistake, we’ve all stumbled and said something offensive and didn’t realize it. It happens to the best of us, and it’s totally understandable. But when you’re called out for saying something that does active harm, especially if you’re somewhat of a public figure, you listen, you apologize, and you don’t do it again. A perfect example would be when Jonah Hill was recently demonized for throwing a homophobic slur at a paparazzo."
                                                                                                                                                So now she compares his use of the word to some "homophobic slur" - Seriously ? And he has done "harm" by using the word ""thinspiration" ? No, but some people seem to believe they can force their believes every other person and that what i call overly PC.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                  BTW, his cunt remark was based on a comment which included "...Next time you fuck up, (and you will you clearly have no responsibility for your own words or actions)..."
                                                                                                                                                  Again a cunt reply is not the most politically correct but understandable response. The only comment he shouldn't have done as far as I can see is the one about suicide but every other of his posts including curses like fuck etc. were just reaction on posts from other people including similar words. (And yes you always hope that nobody gets hotheaded but sometimes things happen - for this I also highly recommend the youtube video from Lewis Black about the use of the work fuck)

                                                                                                                            2. Folks, at this point, it seems like everything has been said about this, and the discussion is turning personal as well as repeating itself. We're going to lock it now.