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Poor Whole foods!......frankly it couldn't happen to a better company, I find them pretentious and overbearing

However....................read the article......where does the $$$ go.......not back to the people who got duped into paying more, but into the state coffers And of course, the salaries of all those in the DA's office that worked so hard to get the "corporate monster"

It seems to be a growing trend that we must all hate Big Bad Corporations and immediately think bad of them regardless of fact. Witness the viral effect on KFC lately.

But what concerns me more are these zealous ATTY Generals who love to rake in the $$$ to the state coffers instead of getting it back to the citizens. Eliot Spritzer was the penultimate of that................It's right up there with the countless "class action" lawsuits where the folks affected may or may not get a few pennies, but the law firms get mega-bucks. These are not Erin Brockavich's (sp?), just greedy kids with nothing constructive to do.

When we formed this country, we made 2 very big mistakes..............insurance.......and litligation lawyers for things like this

Love or hate tobacco or the companies, .but they have paid thru the nose. And what happens with these mega-fines? They go to support the power greedy pols and their campaigns. I'd love to see an acctg of how these funds are then used once they go into the States' "general coffers"

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  1. Wait, insurance is the root of all evil?

    1. Eliot Spritzer was the penultimate of that............

      HUH?

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      1. re: C. Hamster

        As A.G. of New York State, Spitzer was notorious for indicting companies on some baseless charge or another. After the indictment, he'd try to find proof of said crime--as opposed to having proof in the first place.

        1. re: Maryld

          Companies? I thought he was the guy busting prostitution rings and then got caught with his pants down. Literally (well, sorta).

          1. re: linguafood

            Not sure if the prostitution ring busts were for AG business or Spitzer's personal pleasure. He was quite vicious as AG of New York-- accusing CEO's, etc. of wrongdoing without any evidence. Basically, he's a very flawed and extremely arrogant man who misused public office.

          2. re: Maryld

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...

          3. re: C. Hamster

            He was second to last?

          4. Apropos of nothing, but: You do know penultimate means "next to last,", don't you?

            http://i1.wp.com/kathleencaron.com/wp...

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            1. re: jmckee

              I used it because that's my opinion of the guy..perhaps there could have been other choices.

              I think of it more as "lowest of the lows"

              1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                It really doesn't come close to "lowest of the lows". It really relates to sequence, not "bad" or "good". It's commonly misused but it means:

                "next to the last: for example, the penultimate scene of the play. "

            2. What was the fraud? (I don't watch much tv)

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              1. re: blythe

                Not setting the tare before weighing take out foods in containers.

                1. re: mcf

                  read it again. That is not correct.

                  1. re: genoO

                    Close enough. From the reporting I saw, I think the dollar total was really small. Not saying folks shouldn't get a fair deal, but this is really over reaching and the competitor who made the complaint sure got his buck's worth.

                    1. re: mcf

                      Right, close enough. It's bad enough I read such an insignificant story once.

              2. Folks, the article is interesting, but the framing about insurance and lawyers really isn't particularly related to food in any way -- it just happens to be a food business on the receiving end of this case. We'd appreciate it if people could keep this discussion focused on Whole Foods and anything about the case that actually relates to food rather than getting into the more general issues that the original poster brought up.

                Thanks.

                1. This post is about politics, not food. I live in California and the action seems entirely appropriate to me. Consumers have a right to expect honest weights and measures, and this is they are enforced. This is clearly an appropriate use of state power to regulate and enforce.

                  As for getting the overcharges back to citizens who purchased food at the WF deli, that is clearly impractical. Think about it. How would that work?

                  I'm pleased that consumer protection is taken seriously in California.

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                  1. re: GH1618

                    Exactly.

                    nb

                    1. re: GH1618

                      I would think it better that WF be made to reduce prices for an appropriate amount of time, then give the $$ to the state

                      1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                        In a republic, the people are the state, and the people have to pay to enforce the laws. It is appropriate to get something back once in awhile. Your approach would not compensate individual people for their actual losses, either, so there would be no point to it.

                    2. Sounds like sloppy/lazy cashiers. Tare weight for each given container needs to be entered at the checkout. I doubt the containers weighed much, but that isn't the point.

                      I'm sure other stores aren't any better; they're being made an example of, most likely.

                      I once weighed a whole chicken from Trader Joe's just because I had my scale out, and the weight was quite a bit less than the weight on the label.

                      These things happen more often than we think.

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                      1. re: sandylc

                        I can't remember the last time I saw a checker have to adjust for tare weight. It's usually done by the checkout software--press the salad bar button, weigh the item, price is adjusted (one hopes). And if it's not programmed in, that's the store's liability.

                        1. re: ennuisans

                          There are different sizes/styles of containers on the salad bar. And isn't "pressing the salad bar button" one method of accounting for tare?

                          1. re: sandylc

                            In the markets where I've bought food from a salad bar, each size has its own produce code which the cashier puts in to go forward with the sale. Then the checkout software automatically adjusts the price depending on what size that code goes with.

                            On self checkouts, this is simplified to the point of a "salad bar" button, either large or small.

                            In your example, cashiers are somehow checking out salad bar purchases without putting in a tare weight, which would mean not entering a code, which would mean not ringing the purchase up at all. Right?

                            Seriously, it's not the cashiers.

                          2. re: ennuisans

                            I see it several times a week at my local stores. The natural grocery I use (part of a large grocery chain) has the tares on a list for the staff to use as reference, posted on the wall.