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Long Gone But Not Forgotten! Manhattan Memories

Luchow's on East 14th Street; Mamma Leone's on West 48th; Ratner's on Delancey; The Stork Club on East 53rd; HoJo's in Times Square.

One more of lesser reknown was El Coyote on Broadway between NYU and the Strand bookstore.

Classic New York destinations.



So what were your favorites?

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  1. I have memories of Ratner's back in the early 70s, when it was good and I was a little kid. The HoJo on 47 St. (I think that was the corner) held special memories for me because I went to High School of Performing Arts on 46 St. between 6th and 7th, and not only did I go to the HoJo now and then with friends, but my math teacher treated me to an ice cream sundae there when I got 100 on the algebra Regents test.

    Some other well-remembered places include Foo Joy, again from the 70s, Leshko's (80s), a good Sichuan restaurant on the 2nd floor of a long building between 109th and 110th Sts. and Broadway (late 70s), and a place one door from Chatham Square on East Broadway that specialized in Manchurian hotpot (70s).

    My parents really liked Gitlitz, but I didn't like pastrami yet in those days (I did like roast beef sandwiches there, I seem to remember).

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    1. re: Pan

      When we were high school seniors, we'd come in from NJ and order a cocktail at the 47th Street HoJos. They'd never card, and we thought we were oh, so sophisticated.

      There was a huge Woolworth on 34th Street that made the best fried chicken--either to be eaten at the counter or taken out.

      And no one's mentioned Chock Full O' Nuts. My local one was on Madison. Cream cheese on date nut bread. Mmmmm.

      1. re: JoanN

        Back in those days of High School, we used to go to:

        La Crepe and Teacher's(Teacher's Too)

        My first venture to upscale Fine Italian was Piccolo Mondo.

        For Chinese...HSF

        1. re: fourunder

          I loved Piccolo Mondo. That was the first restaurant where I had marinated, grilled zucchini. What an eye opener that was. Great restaurant.

          1. re: fourunder

            Teacher's Too was a favorite of ours in the early years of our marriage.

      2. Ratners for sure. Hwa Yuan on east broadway, little Szechuan on Oliver street, tin pan alley in times square (pork chops and Mac n cheese served in an anarchist lesbian punk rock dive)

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        1. re: debinqueens

          debinqueens: What anarchist lesbian punk rock dive are you talking about? Where? About when? In Tin Pan Alley, Times Square? Please let me know--for sure. (Just wondering why I can't place it).

          1. re: ZaZa

            the place was actually called Tin Pan Alley, and it was on 49th street in one of the old SRO hotels that used to be so common around that area. i forget which faceless clump of stuff replaced the building. the place had a lot of great bands play ... a lot of post-no wave type people, art rockers, poetry readings and a cat that would walk the bar as you tried to eat. i found one photo online....i never took any myself back then.

            1. re: ZaZa

              Thanks. I knew Arthur Russell (cello); he used to play with Philip Glass, et al. Had a look at the website. It was good to see pix of him again.

              Those were difficult years; we lost so many people. He crossed the threshold many years ago.

              It's no wonder I enjoy life to the utmost now.

              1. re: ZaZa

                ZaZa: I'm a big fan of Arthur Russell's music. The last decade has seen a resurgence of interest in his music. Much of his unreleased material has been released (just check Amazon or iTunes) and his music has been used for the soundtracks of at least one film and a commercial in the UK (search YouTube for "Arthur Russell/This is How We Walk on the Moon/Commercial T-Mobile UK"). And, in a month, the Red Hot organization will be releasing a compilation of covers of Arthur's music by major contemporary musicians, benefitting AIDS charities.

          2. When my wife and I graduated from law school together (New York Law - evening division - 1979 -- after 4 years of classes!), we invited both families to New York for the graduation -- it was a big deal. We took everyone out (maybe 20 people) to a Chinese banquet at Chef Ma on Pell Street in Chinatown. I went in the week before, set a per person budget for the banquet with the management, and told them to figure out the menu. It was great! And I prepaid so there was no wrangling for the check by my dad and my wife's dad. A fun day to celebrate a great achievement for both of us!

            1. I have a Ratner's story.

              We were eating there back in the late 1970's sometime.

              My wife found a huge cockroach in her blintz.

              From then on, the place was always "Bugner's" to her "because I haven't found a rat in my food yet."

              We did continue to eat there -- but were more careful about inspecting the food.

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              1. re: JimmySee

                Diner to Ratner's waiter, "What's that roach doing in my blintz?
                Waiter to diner, "Sleeping?"

                1. re: BluPlateSpec

                  The roach we found was cooked! And imagine! A roach in a dairy restaurant! That goes against all kashruth dietary laws!

              2. 20 Mott Street for dim sum
                Jim McMullin's, a reliable East side neighborhood place
                Ennio and Michael in the Village

                1. Luchow's, definitely. But also Schrafft's, Horn & Hardart, Prexy's for chains. Oh, too many to mention! My parents used to go to Al Schacht or the Assembly for steak, Mercurio for "northern" Italian. And what about the Belmore (sp?) Cafeteria? And the drugstore soda fountains, Manhattan style? Our neighborhood one was at Tepper's pharmacy on 34th near Park, but also Goodhue at 35th and Madison (still remember the butter pecan), and Henry Halper (?) at Madison and I think 56th, with lovely delicate sandwiches. We used to go to the Vanderbilt Hotel for roast beef, and sometimes Rumpelmayer on Central Park South for ice cream or hot chocolate.

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                  1. re: mbfant

                    My parents always stayed at the Barbizon Hotel Central Park South and my mother and I adored Rumpelmayers, I had forgotten about it, mbfant. Also re: Chock full of Nuts, that was the first breakfast I had after flying in to New York for the first time from Puerto Rico in the small hours, wonderful coffee pre-Starbucks!

                    1. re: bronwen

                      Wasn't Rumpelmeyer's in the St Moritz Hotel? At least that's what I recall.

                      1. re: Bkeats

                        Most definitely in the St. Moritz on Central Park South.

                        1. re: City Kid

                          The Barbizon Hotel for Women was on Lex -- the Barbizon Plaza was on the corner of 6th and CPS -- it's now some Trump this or that. When we moved to NYC in late 1973, we were put up by my company at the Windsor Hotel, southwest corner of 58th and 6th, for five months!

                          1. re: City Kid

                            My Mother used to take me to Rumpelmeyer's for Hot Chocolate. The consistency was thick, dark, and delicious; it had to be stirred prior to pouring.

                      2. re: mbfant

                        You do not remember me... I wrote you several years ago
                        about a restaurant in Rome "Molto"... went,it was great.
                        More interesting, I see from your post you are an ex New Yorker. I too grew up on CPS ..240 to be exact and ate at
                        the Assembly with my parents, sat at the counter at Hapers
                        with my Mother on Saturdays and ate and got stuffed animals at Rumpelmayers and ,of course, remember Schrafft's.
                        So nice to go down memory lane with you. This fall we are going to Florence & Siena... any suggestions? Stay well .

                        1. re: Georgia Peach

                          Actually, some weeks ago I had occasion to think about that post when I found myself in the most distant reaches of Parioli and walked past Molto. "Ah, so there it is," I thought to myself and had a look at the menu, which seemed convincing. The place looked good, but not so's I'd cross town to go there specifically.

                          I am tickled to "meet" somebody else who remembers those places. Here's a menu from Henry Halper:

                          I don't think of myself as an ex-New Yorker but as a New Yorker who spends most of her time elsewhere. You'd better ask about Florence and Siena on the Italy board, and in any case, I'm not too good on them. Ruggero and Cibreo are the two in Florence I like best, but I never stay long enough to do justice to the possibilities.

                          1. re: mbfant

                            That's a really interesting menu! When does it date from? I didn't expect to see bacillus milk and fermillac on an old menu. Postum has an interesting history, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postum Broadway soda is another thing I've never heard of: http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/n...

                            1. re: mbfant

                              Amazing to hear from you. Many thanks for your reply.
                              I truly enjoyed seeing the menu from Halper .... I vividly
                              remember sitting at the counter with my Mother ( I was 5 -6 yrs.) and she always ordered the Sliced Egg w Sardine
                              sandwich... doubt if she had mustard. Don't remember my
                              lunch...Florence, we will check the Italy board..thanks..
                              know Cibreo..Good to hear from you once again.
                              If you are ever upstate NY ( we are in Saratoga) ...let us know.

                        2. The Lime House on Mott and Bayard , Il Puglio's on Hester in the 1970's,Hong Fat on Mott st

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                          1. re: scunge

                            Larre's (French) on West 56th Street, where I tasted calf brains for the first time.

                            Ratner's, where my aunt got into a screaming match with a waiter after he caught her dumping the basket of onion rolls into her handbag.

                            Mamma Leone's, big favorite for charity luncheons before Wednesday matinees. It was here, accompanied by my grandmother, at the "muscular dystrophy luncheon" that I won my first and last raffle prize: a 13" B&W tv set

                            Hobeau's, bluefish dinner for about $4.95 on First Avenue in the 50s

                            Keneret, Syrian restaurant with great mussels (?) in W.Village.

                            Sea Fare of the Agean, West 50s, for "fancy" Greek seafood; shrimp with feta cheese in a tomato sauce, which became my "special" recipe for preparing at home

                            1. re: erica

                              Larres reminded me of my intro to French - la grillade on 8th and 55th. My mom still speaks fondly of the mussels.

                              A more recent departure and a favorite of mine for 20 years was Rio Mar on ninth in the actual meat packing district. The bar freebies were plentiful and got more ornate as the evening rolled on

                              1. re: debinqueens

                                You mean the drag queen sex workers, who hung around outside the place? There was a beautiful old Kalori Pear Tree on the corner by Gansevoort that went aflame in color during the Fall season.

                                1. re: ZaZa

                                  i was actually talking about food, ZaZa. you'd get a bowl of peanuts with drink one, some chorizo or cheese with drink two, by four or five in, you were basically getting downsized entrees for free.

                                  the sex workers were also very sweet, mostly.

                              2. re: erica

                                There was also a Sea Fare in Manhasset, L.I. (on the Miracle Mile). I only remember what my father ordered--either Bluefish, or Shrimp Scampi.

                                We also went to the Sea Fare on West 56th Street, between 5th & 6th Avenue.

                            2. Smokey's barbecue in Chelsea

                              There was a tiny south American (Chilean, I think) place a few blocks south of NYU (I think on 3rd St) that had an amazing seafood soup.

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                              1. re: plf515

                                Smokey's barbecue on 24th Street & 9th Avenue. Their hot (spicy) BBQ sauce removed the punk-painted nail polish off my nails. It was about 1979, and I raved about the place.

                              2. Not gone, but perhaps forgotten, is when Spark's Steak House was mainly a beer and burger joint on East 18th Street. Even then they had great steaks, and we'd enjoy them sitting in wooden booths in our jeans and T-shirts.

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                                1. re: JoanN

                                  No idea spark was a simple bar.

                                2. I can remember Luchow's from when I was a kid. My uncle, who had an executive position with Avon in Mexico, would occasionally come into NY and treat my family to dinner at Luchow's. I always ordered goulash, and also was able to indulge in an appetizer of creamed herring; I can still taste it. That would have been the late 1960's. I don't remember when it closed, but I know that when I went to rock concerts at the Palladium Theater on 14th Street as a teenager (late 70's), I remember thinking, "This empty place next store is where Luchow's used to be." In Little Italy, I loved Luna's and the old Umberto's. Luna's had some of the best Italian food I had ever eaten. Even though I had stopped eating veal parmigiana, I made an exception when dining at Luna's because it was exceptional. Umberto's I initially went to because of the "Crazy Joe" Gallo ambiance (you could actually still see bullet holes in the wall; a waiter pointed them out to me not long before it closed), but I came to enjoy the limited menu. I always had a fish salad, followed by linguini (with medium sauce) and calamari. The medium sauce was way hot enough, but a foolhardy friend once tried the hot sauce and turned purple trying to down it without bursting into tears. When you had to use the bathroom downstairs (passing through a twisting labyrinth of a hallway), it was exactly how Donald Goddard described it in his biography of Gallo entitled, "Joey." I can't remember the name of the place that opened up in the old location. I ate there once, but the location had become unrecognizable, and the food was, in my opinion, less than impressive. I know there is (or at least was) a "new" Umberto's located down the street, but I never tried it.

                                  1. For for my husband, it's Mocca, a Hungarian restaurant.
                                    I only went once with him and I remember him ordering a large plate of fried calf's head or leg. He ate the whole thing and I decided to marry him.

                                    For me, there used to be a neighborhood restaurant called Caliban on 3rd ave around 25th street. I used to go there like 2-3 times a week with friends. It was really a good restaurant with really good food at reasonable prices. I still salivate over their excellent french fries and mussels in white wine sauce and some other specialties like chicken in tomato sauce and broiled fish with lemon sauce.
                                    I really miss those times.

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                                    1. re: Monica

                                      When I was driving a cab back "in the day," there were a few places of note that had taxi stands out front - and decent grub.

                                      Of course, the famous Belmore Cafeteria (really made famous in Scorsese's Taxi Driver), at 28th & Park Avenue. 24 hours. Tickets like at Katz's. A classic dive filled with all sorts, especially at 4 A.M.

                                      Then there was Kay's, on Lex and 78th St. Now a Starbucks. Still has a small amount of parking for cabs only on 78th. But you could get a full london broil dinner, with roll, potatoes, vegetable, cup of coffee for about $5. And the short-order cooks there were the best.

                                      Ray's Pizza was another stop for a quickie - the one on 76th and 3rd.

                                      And late at night, we'd always line up outside the Playboy Club, with the hopes of giving a ride home to one of the staff beauties.

                                      1. re: mitchleeny

                                        The Belmore was on 28th and what is now Park Avenue South but used to be Fourth Avenue, next door to my father's office when I was a child. I still remember the stuffed cabbage. I also remember when Park Ave. South was invented and my father's address changed and how silly we thought it. We lived in the 30s on Park and my mother could always get an off-duty cab to take us home in the late afternoon by pointing out that our address was on the way to the Belmore.

                                        And yes, of course Chock full o' Nuts. I remember one on the west side of Madison probably in the low 40s.

                                        1. re: mbfant

                                          That Chock Full o' Nuts was, I think, right down from Brooks Brothers, next to J Press when the latter was still on Madison.

                                          1. re: hazelhurst

                                            Whole-wheat donuts (crispy on the outside, but soft inside). Cream cheese on date-nut loaf was also a favorite.

                                            1. re: ZaZa

                                              I LOVED those donuts but didn't know what they were, or how to describe them. I do not like donuts but would pursue those if I had a lead!

                                              1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                They were powdered, not glazed.

                                                Although I seldom eat donuts, I recommend the DONUT PLANT. For the best selection, go to the Donut Plant directly.

                                                Their Creme Brulee is really good (but very different from the Chock Full of Nuts Whole Wheat Donut). The cake-filled donuts are also very good. Maybe you'll enjoy their oatmeal donut.


                                                1. re: ZaZa

                                                  Alas, I live in California now, and I have tired to like donuts again, but I think I only like that one.

                                        2. re: mitchleeny

                                          I remember Kay's, although I don't think I ever ate there. IIRC they also had a newstand or packaged food or something.

                                        3. re: Monica

                                          Remember Caliban well. I lived around the corner and used to go almost as often as you. It was one of the few places I felt comfortable sitting at the bar with a book or a manuscript and didn't have to worry about getting hit on. And those mussels and fries were indeed great.

                                          1. re: JoanN

                                            I loved the crowd there. Now I really miss their thick cut french fries. I know the restaurant was sold to the bartender at Irish bar right across the street..not sure what happened to it. I wonder where their chef is cooking right now...

                                            1. re: Monica

                                              No idea where the chef is, but I do know that Richard, one of the bartenders from that time and an ex-marine, is now one of the name partners in a Wall Street financial adviser firm.

                                              1. re: JoanN

                                                What have I been doing while a bartender beame a partner at a wall street firm.

                                                1. re: Monica

                                                  Ha! He was bartending at Caliban while he was a student at NYU. Went on to bigger and better things. Or at least, more lucrative.

                                            2. re: JoanN

                                              I loved Caliban. I lived down the street. They had the best steak tartar. It was not mushed up with a lot of "stuff" - basically just ground sirloin. Not too finely chopped. So funny that so many people remember it.

                                              1. re: JC2

                                                I think Caliban was the first place I ever had steak tartare. Those were my burgeoning foodie days.

                                                1. re: JC2

                                                  If you lived in that neighborhood around that time, perhaps you remember the name of a Filipino restaurant on the West side of 3rd in the mid-20s? They used to have the most amazing pork adobo (but I don't think they called it that; it was just pork in garlic sauce). I've been trying to remember the name of the place, and to recreate the recipe, for years. Both without success.

                                                  1. re: JoanN

                                                    sorry JoanN I don't remember any Filipino restaurant. I moved out in 84. Was it after that time?

                                                    1. re: JC2

                                                      No, considerably before. Probably early '70s. I recall it was on a southwest corner, maybe 24, 25? It was just a joint, but that pork in garlic sauce is one of the food memories that has stayed with me all these years. Never since had an adobo that could beat it.

                                                      1. re: JoanN

                                                        Hi JoanN, that must have been Philippine Garden. My husband and I ate there years ago when dating and we still joke about the "nuclear shrimp" that were so enormous 3 took up an entire plate, stuffed with beef.

                                                        1. re: City Kid

                                                          You're right! That's it! Been trying for years to remember the name of that place. (Shouldn't have been so hard, should it?) Thanks so much, City Kid.

                                                      2. re: JC2

                                                        Didn't realize Caliban was that old.
                                                        I lived on Lex and 25th and my regulars were Caliban, Turkish kitchen and that Afghanistan restaurant.

                                                        1. re: Monica

                                                          I was talking about the Filipino place, not Caliban. But I lived on 27th & 3rd from about '71 to '77 and I believe Caliban opened soon after I moved there.

                                                2. re: Monica

                                                  I went to school with the daughter of one of the co-owners (I believe he was) of Mocca. It was not a great Hungarian restaurant, but it was genuine and honest, and I do miss it. I haven't had Hungarian sour cherry soup in a long time.

                                                  1. re: Pan

                                                    That made me think of the Red Tulip on East 75th. It was a mediocre Hungarian restaurant but it was MY mediocre Hungarian restaurant.

                                                    1. re: southernitalian

                                                      I believe Czech Praha was also on E. 75th.

                                                      1. re: penthouse pup

                                                        And later on, Vienna 79 brought upscale MittelEuropean dining to East 79th Street.

                                                    2. re: Pan

                                                      We did the duck at Charda's Hungarian restaurant in the 70's

                                                  2. Manny Wolf's (since PRE-1977)
                                                    The Gripsholm
                                                    The Brussels
                                                    Christ Cella
                                                    Cafe des Artistes (more recent death)
                                                    Oak Bar at Plaza (whatever comes in there next won;t be "it")
                                                    Le MArmiton
                                                    Top of the Sixes (not for food but as a memory of things tourists did and you took people there for the view)
                                                    Luchow for sure
                                                    Numerous long narrow bars on the West side, 44th street, and quite a few on X.econd and Third

                                                    1. The Peacock in the West Village. Back in the mid-70s, when my husband (then-boyfriend) was a grad student at NYU. Also Chumley's from the same era.

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                                                      1. re: masha

                                                        I was just talking about The Peacock last night since we drove right near it's original location after our dinner at Annisa. It was originally on 4th Street, just east of 6th Ave, and my then boyfriend lived on 4th just west of 6th. When you didn't go to a movie or a show or out to dinner, the question was always, "Want to go out for coffee?" And The Peacock was the spot. There was an older woman who was the waitress, and she never, ever, acknowledged that you'd been there before, even though we went there for years, and even after it moved to Greenwich Avenue.

                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                          Yes, did you ever have their "rum cake"? It was like no other rum cake I've ever had. Would love that recipe.

                                                          As I recall, we frequented the original location. This would have been mainly in 1974-75. I think they moved to the Greenwich Ave location a year or 2 later.

                                                          1. re: masha

                                                            I'm sure I never ordered it because I didn't like rum cakes then. What was it like?

                                                            1. re: roxlet

                                                              As I recall, it was a layer cake, with a chocolate/coffee frosting between the layers. The rum flavoring was much more subtle than a baba-a-rum, which is what I typically think of when I see "rum cake" on a menu.

                                                              1. re: masha

                                                                So the rum flavor was in the cake? May be it was brushed with it.

                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                  I'm really not sure. We are going back 40 years. All I remember is that it was delicious.

                                                                  1. re: masha

                                                                    The "older woman...the waitress [who] never, ever, acknowledged...you'd been there before" is the person who made the delicious rum cake you describe so well.

                                                                    The delicate consistency of her "chocolate/coffee frosting" between fluffy light layers--I can still taste this delectable "rum cake" with only a suggestion of rum that we enjoyed with fluffy cappuccino, of course!

                                                                    I remember the woman quite clearly, as if she was with us today. I quietly adored her because she made this splendid cake and was noble enough to serve us. She wore her hair up in a French twist. Her thick ankles were supported by orthopedic-type shoes that did not disguise a slight limp.

                                                                    She did not move to the new location after The Peacock moved from Greenwich Avenue. I never went to the new place; anyway, they did not have her rum cake.

                                                      2. La Maison Japonaise — fusion way ahead of its time!

                                                        Maxwell's Plum was fun for brunch and introduced me to the word schlag.

                                                        Larre's had the rudest waitresses ever and super dense (not good) chocolate mousse.

                                                        Miss Mamma Leone's most of all.

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                                                          1. re: psnative

                                                            That was probably my first Manhattan brunch place. Very chic for a girl from Sheepshead Bay. Loved the Tiffany lamps.

                                                            1. re: ellenost

                                                              Ellenost, getting a bit off topic here, have you been to the Smith museum of stained glass windows at the Navy Pier in Chicago, if so did you recognize the stained glass hanging light from Maxwell's Plum? it is not a Tiffany but it certainly looks like one, you will recognize it from the restaurant immediately. In addition to that lamp they have a respectable collection of Tiffany glass. Crazy unexpected place for a museum but the odd location only adds to its eclectic charm.

                                                              The food at the Navy Pier is not worth mentioning if you go definitely take the opportunity to dine at one of downtown Chicago's great restaurants.

                                                              1. re: chowdom

                                                                I haven't been to the Smith museum, but since I love stained glass, I will definitely check it out next time I visit Chicago. Thanks for the recommendation!

                                                        1. All those Indian restaurants on the block between 1st and 2nd Avenues on East 6th Street! There must have been 20 to choose from. Our favorite was Panna -- heated by a coal stove when we started going in there (mid-70's), with only one toilet in the back (tenement plumbing).

                                                          I'm sure there are still loads of Indian cuisine on the block -- but the names have changed and the locations upgraded from the dirt cheap menus and facilities we remember.

                                                          It was my introduction to Indian cuisine.

                                                          Also in the East Village -- The Ukrainian National Home restaurant and Kiev Restaurant

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                                                          1. re: JimmySee

                                                            I loved Ukrainian National Home restaurant. I thought it still existed-- has it closed down? Hearty food for not a lot of money. I used to eat like a pig in there. I'd order 2 dishes: the goulash and noodles, and the combination platter. Washed down with a few beers. (This was back in the days when my waistline could afford such a repast.) Sorry to hear it has closed down, if that's the case.

                                                            1. re: legsdiamond12

                                                              Good news - it's still there and still good. You should go again.


                                                              1. re: Bob Martinez

                                                                Thanks. I've been missing that place for way too long, and it's time.

                                                            2. re: JimmySee

                                                              My favorite Indian restaurant on E. 6th St. was Sonali.

                                                              1. re: ellenost

                                                                mine was just around the corner on second avenue -- curry mahal. it's still there, and it may not have changed, but it wasn't quite the same. the polish girl in me always loved the dish of cabbage that came with the set meal at most of these places. :)

                                                              2. re: JimmySee

                                                                There was an urban legend that all the Indian restaurants on E. 6th St. shared the same kitchen.

                                                                There was also a macrobiotic joint in amongst all the Indian joints. I believe it was called The Cauldron.

                                                                1. re: famdoc

                                                                  There were two, The Cauldron and The Well

                                                                  1. re: BluPlateSpec

                                                                    THE PARADOX, for vegetarians, during the late 60s.

                                                                    1. re: ZaZa

                                                                      Haha. I remember The Paradox! I used to say that the paradox was that you could spend so much for food and have it taste so bad!

                                                                2. re: JimmySee

                                                                  Oh yes, the Kiev. They had fabulous vegetarian chopped liver. They were also open late. I so miss that place.

                                                                3. Well since I was a Columbia rat, the West End will always hold a lot of memories. Food was for shit, but I drank a lot there. So on the other hand maybe I don't actually remember as much as I think I do.

                                                                  I remember the first time I went to Trader Vic's in the old Plaza Hotel. That was the epitome of South Pacific cool when I was oh so much younger.

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                                                                  1. re: Bkeats

                                                                    It's still there, isn't it? As part of a Cuban place.

                                                                    I got drunk there a couple times during grad school (even though I went to Fordham, we sometimes hung out there).

                                                                    1. re: plf515

                                                                      The original West End Bar is gone. A poor simulacrum took its place.

                                                                    2. re: Bkeats

                                                                      Gosh, Trader Vic's. As a teen, I was chosen to represent my town at a special event at the U.N. Afterwards, my chaperone took my to Trader Vic's for dinner. I was too shy to eat a real meal, and just ordered the fruit salad. It was served in half a pineapple!

                                                                      I never saw anything so classy in my life! I talked about it for months after I got home, and duplicated it many times back in the day.

                                                                    3. I was a hostess at Schrafft's which was a wonderful New York job. All the showgirls from Radio City Music Hall came in with their sugar daddies, little old ladies sat in corners drinking copious Manhattans and I was chased around by burly guys in fur coats from the clothing district. Also I'm English and most of the waitresses were Irish and didn't much like me so it was rather amusing!
                                                                      I miss Lutece, Cafe des Artistes, Carmine's Seafood in the Seaport, also funnily enough The Magic Pan, I always went there with my father when he came to visit me. And please re-open the Oak Bar at the Plaza. I hate that it's not open!

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                                                                      1. re: bronwen

                                                                        Ah - the Magic Pan. My date night restaurant in the 1970s.

                                                                      2. -Kiev on E. 7th and 2nd.
                                                                        -America on E. 18th and Bway
                                                                        -El Pollo (Peruvian Chicken) on 1st Ave in the 90s...great chicken and a great stuffed potato filled with ground beef and egg.
                                                                        -Manny's Car Wash, 3rd Ave UES
                                                                        -Sand Bar (1st Ave/85th St)

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                                                                        1. re: olympusnyc

                                                                          I didn't know Manny's Car Wash was gone. I used to play their open blues jam on occasion.

                                                                          1. re: Pan

                                                                            Soul Food BBQ w/really good open jams at MARTIN'S on West Houston Street. (Back then, the music was The Smoker). It was a long, narrow place with diner-like booths, extending from West Houston to Downing Street, with a door on each end.

                                                                          2. re: olympusnyc

                                                                            Yes! The Kiev. When we were feeling flush, we'd go there instead of Wo Hop. Mushroom barley soup, big slices of challah bread and breaded chicken cutlets.

                                                                            America - Huge space w/ a huge menu. I always associate it w/ the city's emergence from the rough and fun 80's.

                                                                            El Pollo - back when they were the only place for Peruvian chicken marinated for 24 hours in whatever made it taste so good.

                                                                            The burger counter whose name escapes me on the east side of Lex bet. 78/79 w/ some old dude working the grill, counter and cash. Just the counter, a few tables, and big, greasy $5 burgers w/ fries.

                                                                            Skyline Diner - closest 24hr diner to me that had solid, reliable, diner fare.

                                                                            Coconut Grill - all I miss is the chocolate bags filled w/ raspberry mousse.

                                                                            The restaurant where Uva on Lex bet 77/78 is now. Italian resto w/ a backyard. I miss the smoked salmon fettucine alfredo. Don't judge me.

                                                                            Silver Spurs on B'way and 9th. Been going there since high school cuz 10 oz burgers and waitresses in tight jeans.

                                                                            St. Marks Pizza on 3rd and St. Marks. They always threw extra cheese on whatever slice you ordered before tossing it in the oven.

                                                                            Cafe Borgia on Bleecker cuz late night espresso and dessert fueled discussions about important stuff.

                                                                            Casa della Fontana or something like that on Bleecker. Had a fountain inside, a downstairs section, and was like the TARDIS, bigger on the inside than on the outside.

                                                                            And yeah, the Woolworth on 34th St. and Chock Full o' Nuts.

                                                                            1. re: GoodGravy

                                                                              You forgot the Needick's

                                                                              Hotdog and orange drink.

                                                                          3. +1 on
                                                                            Foo Joy
                                                                            the Automat.
                                                                            Cavenaughs on 23rd St.
                                                                            The Quilted Giraffe
                                                                            Réné Pujol
                                                                            Yuet Sun the BBQ duck place on Pell St.

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                                                                            1. re: bobjbkln

                                                                              Miss The Quilted Giraffe--celebrated passing the NY Bar exam there, and it was one of my earliest fine dining restaurants in NYC.

                                                                              1. re: ellenost

                                                                                After I finished school and began working, I had my first ever closing dinner at the Quilted Giraffe. Didn't know nuttin bout fine dining as I was a bit of a bumpkin that had somehow ended up in NYC. My most vivid memory of the place was when we were having after dinner drinks and the waitress(?) came by with a box of cigars (that certainly is a long gone practice). The partner I worked for was a big cigar fan and told me to take one. So I took one and lit it up and began puffing. I was sitting next to the client's CFO's wife and she looked at me and said "young man are you old enough to smoke?" I replied with a bit of my still then present southern drawl "Yes, ma'am I am."

                                                                            2. Horn and Hardart automat on 42 and Lexington. Schrafft's anywhere by 47 and third. Bickfords 47 and 3rd.

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                                                                              1. re: wincountrygirl

                                                                                There was also Horn & Hardart on 57th Street. Enjoyed the little windows that enclosed their delicious hottie dogs & beans.

                                                                              2. Oh, and Hick's ice cream on 49 between Madison and fifth.

                                                                                1. Friday's before it was a chain it was terrific. First avenue and 63rd street. Champlain was a lovely true French in the theater district.

                                                                                  1. Ratner's for sure. Just discovered someone stole my Ratner's cookbook (with the recipe for the garlic knots). :(

                                                                                    Capsouto Freres, sad victim of Hurricane Sandy; and just recently Gascogne.

                                                                                    and how could I forget "Z?"

                                                                                    1. Éclair Bake shop GCT, 30 + years ago it was excellent. By the time Éclair closed it had morphed into a run down type of bodega.
                                                                                      The auto pub because as a kid I thought it was very, very cool to eat in a car.
                                                                                      Trader Vic's I can still taste their coconut covered ice cream ball dessert and I can still see the insane communal sized glow in the dark drinks going by ...
                                                                                      Maxwell's Plum for the scene, the food not so much...seems like another lifetime ago.
                                                                                      Giordano's W 39th.
                                                                                      The numerous, long gone, independent, affordable, good coffee shops...truly a thing of the past...
                                                                                      Edit: Memories of some truly amazing and life altering meals in Chinatown. My Dad's best friend Julian was Chinese and he would take us to the most foreboding looking places always a flight down and do all of the ordering for the table in Chinese which was necessary because nobody spoke any English...we were always the only Caucasians in these restaurants.
                                                                                      The really good chocolate cake at the outdoor café at the Bethesda fountain, Central Park.

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                                                                                      1. re: chowdom

                                                                                        The Eclair on 72 St. between Amsterdam and Columbus was a regular hangout for my family. I also loved Miss Grimble's for fantastic cheesecake. And for a neighborhood bakery, Cake Masters was excellent when they had their good baker (my local branch was on Broadway near 100th St.).

                                                                                        1. re: Pan

                                                                                          Eclair, I'd forgotten. What a great pastry shop. Also, there was a shop, I think called Leonards in the 80's east side. My mom got my birthday cakes there - mocha layer with extra flowers. And Greenbergs - another one gone.

                                                                                          1. re: Pan

                                                                                            OMG! Eclair! When I was in college, we would go there for the napolean. That was fabulous.

                                                                                            1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                              Yes, I remember their Napoleons. I loved their regular and chocolate eclairs, too. My brother always got the Black Forest cake there, or the opera cake, I forget which.

                                                                                              1. re: Pan

                                                                                                Ah. I grew up across the street from the one on 54/1st. I still crave their chocolate sandwich cookies and chocolate peach cake. I wish they had a cookbook out as they don't make then like they used to.

                                                                                            2. re: Pan

                                                                                              The Eclair had good Viennese style pastry, and food.

                                                                                              The Royal Bakery on 72nd St., bet. B'way & West End Ave. had delicious Chocolate Babka.

                                                                                              Sutters on the corner of Greenwich Avenue & 10th St. had a delicious mocha-apricot buttercream cake with toasted slivered almonds on its side.

                                                                                              1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                I don't remember Royal Bakery. When did it close?

                                                                                                1. re: Pan

                                                                                                  The Royale Pastry Shop, the bakery said to have been the inspiration for Seinfeld's Schnitzer’s of the chocolate babka and black & white cookies, closed sometime around 2000. It's been replaced by a Jenny Craig. Oh, the irony.

                                                                                                  1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                    Hold it, when did it open? It was on 72 St. and I never knew about it?

                                                                                                    1. re: Pan

                                                                                                      I don't know when they opened. We used to go to the Royale Pastry Shop for Chocolate Babka, around 1966/onwards. I also enjoyed their Napoleans. (It was in the middle of the block, on the north side of 72nd Street, bet. Broadway & West End Avenue). It was a kosher bakery.

                                                                                                      1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                        Well, I'll be damned. Were they better than Cake Masters was at its best?

                                                                                                        1. re: Pan

                                                                                                          Oh yeah! They had really good Chocolate Babka with the big crumbly stuff on top and lots of chocolate inside. Comparatively, Cake Masters was awful.

                                                                                                          Remember the Seinfeld episode when Elaine and Jerry were trying to get a Chocolate Babka for a party? By the time their number came up, they could only get a Cinnamon Babka; so there was an issue. They bought it at the Royale Pastry Shop.

                                                                                                          Apart from their Babka, Eclair was the preferable source for pastry.

                                                                                                          1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                            Another solid all-purpose bakery as Jon Vie on 6th and 12th, making a full range of sweets, inc. babka, but for my memory a wonderful apricot-prune tart.

                                                                                            3. re: chowdom

                                                                                              There is a Eclair bakery now at 53rd and 2nd...though not associated with your 30 yr old bakery, this place really makes awesome eclairs.

                                                                                              1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                TRADER VIC's Coconut Dacquiri.

                                                                                                1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                  LANCIANI PATISSERIE on West 4th Street, bet. W. 11th & Perry Street.

                                                                                                  1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                    That was the last place I know that had delicious chocolate eclairs with vanilla cream filling. The rule now seems to be that the filling is chocolate too. phooey.

                                                                                                2. Ah, Larre's.. A favorite spot when I worked at 56th and 5th…and Luchow's when I lived in the neighborhood. Sigh…
                                                                                                  There was a great Chinese rest. on West 13th between 6th and 7th… can't remember it's name.(I knew it in the '60s)Also, the Jon Vie bakery on 6th between 12th and 13th. And if one didn't want to got to top of the 666's there was Stouffer's in the basement. And I'm another who misses Henry Halper and the cucumber , tomato and watercress sandwich. And the Ruc Czech rest. on E. 72nd
                                                                                                  St with great weiner schnitzel and poppy seed dumplings.

                                                                                                  1. On Central Park South -- both Rumplemeyers and Prexy's (the hamburger with a college education!) were stops we made when visiting the 1964 World's Fair and I was 14 years old or so.

                                                                                                    Still there last time we visited was Arturo's Coal Oven (pizza) on Houston in the Village -- an old law school hangout.

                                                                                                    And how about El Faro on Greenwich Street at Horatio in the far west Village. Wonderful Spanish cuisine served in cast iron pots, all to be washed down with pitchers of sangria.

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                                                                                                    1. re: JimmySee

                                                                                                      el faro was wonderful and now, gone. arturo's is still there. i had a friend who lived above it for a while, and got free pizza because she had to deal with the coal oven scent pretty much 24/7.

                                                                                                      in the central park area, one that i recall going to only a couple of times with the parents of people i knew -- Madame Romaine de Lyon. impossibly fussy place with delicious omelettes.

                                                                                                      1. re: debinqueens

                                                                                                        Speaking of Central Park, does anyone remember Nirvana, the upscale Indian restaurant that wowed with a mirrored and embroidered ceiling tent of bright Gujarati cotton? On CPS, on a high floor with a great view of the park. Rumor had it that is was one of Keith's favorite places.

                                                                                                        Another midtowner with a view was Top of the Sixes, on Fifth, a popular place for Saturday night "dates."

                                                                                                        And yes, remember Smokey's BBQ on 8th (?) or 9th (?) Avenue, no frills place back when Chelsea was considered a marginal neighborhood. (Work colleague of mine had moved to Chelsea in the late 70s from Columbus and 72nd, which was considered a high crime district, Needle Park and all that...) One Chelsea place we liked was El Cid, tiny Spanish spot that used to draw flamenco dancers and musicians who would arrive fully frilled and heeled after shows....

                                                                                                        Here is one more, but I have only the spottiest memories, and wonder if anyone else can fill in detail:

                                                                                                        My grandparents were Kosher, but somehow were able to eat at the French Romanian Restaurant, famous for their "Romanian tenderloin," which I believe was strip steak. (Not sure about the "French part of the name..maybe it connoted "fancy")

                                                                                                        Just as popular with the relatives on that side was a deli named Henry's, which was Kosher. Very no frills, I remember Henry's as being next door to Katz on Houston (grandfather would not eat there). I've mentioned Henry's to many people over the years, but all I've drawn is blank looks. Anyone care to shed some light???
                                                                                                        Many thanks!!

                                                                                                        I will try to dig out some old matches and come back with more memories...

                                                                                                        1. re: erica

                                                                                                          Oh, yes. Nirvana. Loved that place. Used to take out-of-town guests there frequently. Such a great atmosphere; such a wonderful view if you could get a table by the windows.

                                                                                                          1. re: erica

                                                                                                            We were too "local" to go to the Statue of Liberty and my father had other places with good views but he relented re: Top of the Sixes when I was a boy and we went there the night before sailing on my first trip to Europe. Stouffer's was a nice warm-up to the Holland-America Line offerings. I recall the night--and the view--with affection.

                                                                                                            1. re: erica

                                                                                                              Is that Sammy's Romanian Steak House on the lower east side ("schmaltz it up at Sammy's!")? Sammy's had bottles of schmaltz (chicken fat) on the tables as a condiment. We visited there once in the 1970's -- that was enough for me.

                                                                                                              1. re: erica

                                                                                                                Are you talking about the Parkway East?

                                                                                                                Calvin Trillin said it closed because one meal made most people full for a week.

                                                                                                                1. re: plf515

                                                                                                                  The restaurant was named the French Romanian Steak House and I think it was on the south side of Delancey.

                                                                                                                  And the deli near Katz was definitely Henry's.

                                                                                                                  1. re: erica

                                                                                                                    Is SAMMY'S ROMANIAN STEAK HOUSE the place you remember for Romanian Tenderloin? It's still there.

                                                                                                                    SAMMY'S ROMANIAN STEAK HOUSE
                                                                                                                    157 Chrystie Street, near Delancy

                                                                                                                    1. re: erica

                                                                                                                      NIRVANA: The view of Central Park was splendid during the Autumn months.

                                                                                                                  2. re: JimmySee

                                                                                                                    El Faro is what I was thinking of when I went to a Spanish place in the Village. This one was not nearly as good.

                                                                                                                    1. re: JimmySee

                                                                                                                      I so miss EL FARO; it was a local spot really appreciated by the neighbors. To date, there is still not a restaurant on that corner, which makes it rather difficult.

                                                                                                                      EL FARO's Paella Valenciana w/ Lobster; Shrimp with Green Sauce, Shrimp Diablo, Imported & Local Chorizo (plain or with wine sauce, Shrimp Ajillo, homemade potato chips, their salad dressing....

                                                                                                                      1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                        Pork with Almond Sauce, Chicken Villaroy...

                                                                                                                    2. The Automat. I was taken there when I was 10 and for an out-of-town kid, I was duly impressed.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: mtlcowgirl

                                                                                                                        A joke about the automat

                                                                                                                        A new immigrant is at the automat. He has 10 pieces of pie on his tray and his still putting coins in. Someone asks him why he keeps putting money in and he says

                                                                                                                        "I keep winning!"

                                                                                                                      2. oh geez, i keep thinking of more. i remember the slightly -- very slightly -- upscale polish restaurant Baltyk at first and first. the only place in nyc that i remember finding czarnina (polish duck blood soup). that was one of my grandma's specialties as a cook, and, on her one and only visit to nyc, i took her there to try their version, which she dubbed very good.

                                                                                                                        midway through our meal -- this was 1983 or so -- a homeless man came in and started going table to table asking for food. my nana gave him some bread, butter and something from her plate. she was a heck of a gal.

                                                                                                                        1. I've never really enjoyed Americanized Chinese food, except at a place called Dish of Salt. I can't remember the address - somewhere in Midtown West, maybe by Radio City - and the decor was rather welcoming.

                                                                                                                          I have good memories of Peppermint Park (evidence of it is by the current front entrance, it might be a Baskin' Robbins) too. It was on 1st in the upper 60s.


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                                                                                                                          1. re: BuildingMyBento

                                                                                                                            Dish of Salt was on 47th...a restaurant ahead of it's time.

                                                                                                                            1. re: fourunder

                                                                                                                              Dish of Salt was a great restaurant, elegant space and talented chef /kitchen.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Pookipichu

                                                                                                                                This was the first restaurant I was taken to by my boss of my first post-graduate school job. I thought it was the hight of elegance.

                                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                  It was one of the few places that I felt represented Chinese cuisine well in N.Y., but was dinged for being expensive "for Chinese food". Something I find to be a nonsensical recurring theme in this city.

                                                                                                                                  They had a chef's tasting meal that was extraordinary.

                                                                                                                            2. re: BuildingMyBento

                                                                                                                              It was not the authentic style of Chinese food that is more popular now, but our family's weekly place was Keewah Yen on 56th between 5th and 6th. My grandparents had gone to its predecessor restaurant, House of Chan, for years, so my parents knew the owner and maitre d'. We loved that place.

                                                                                                                              1. We used to enjoy Pireus My Love, a Greek restaurant upstairs from street level on the north side of 57th Street west of 6th Avenue.

                                                                                                                                Also Smokeys on 95th and either Amsterdam or Columbus -- where the bbq sauce came in mild, medium, and hot varieties. I asked one evening what the recipe was for the medium -- which was pretty hot -- the answer was one part hot and 15 parts mild. I never ordered the hot!

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                                                                                                                                1. re: JimmySee

                                                                                                                                  You can still buy the hot sauce: the family moved to Florida and it's now called Mrs. Smokeys. http://mrssmokeys.com/

                                                                                                                                  Long gone: Mrs. Herbst on the UES.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: swannee

                                                                                                                                    I'm surely not going to scroll down 89 posts to see if something was already mentioned. But here's some good ones.
                                                                                                                                    Quilted Giraffe
                                                                                                                                    Mama Leone's ( bad food but famous)
                                                                                                                                    Tommy Tang's
                                                                                                                                    How's Bayou ( one of the first cajun places in NYC)
                                                                                                                                    Joe's ( McDougal St.)
                                                                                                                                    Ennio and Michael's
                                                                                                                                    Ideal ( German)
                                                                                                                                    Budapest ( Hungarian)
                                                                                                                                    Buffalo Roadhouse
                                                                                                                                    Orange Julius
                                                                                                                                    Zum Zum
                                                                                                                                    Hong Gung
                                                                                                                                    New China Inn ( Bklyn)
                                                                                                                                    Grabstein's ( Bklyn)
                                                                                                                                    El Faro
                                                                                                                                    Capsouto Freres
                                                                                                                                    Hamburger Harry's

                                                                                                                                    1. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                      I liked Louisiana Community Bar and Grill, which used to be on Broadway between Houston and Bleecker. Nice spicy food - great desserts, too, but they all seemed like double slices, which was too bad.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Pan

                                                                                                                                        That place was great - was a huge swing and rockabilly club in the late 90s. There was also a nice two story pan-Latin place a bit north I believe that had an excellent Cubano. (They also had a great music scene and a balcony overlooking the dance floor.)

                                                                                                                                        1. re: lambretta76

                                                                                                                                          Bayamo, upscale Cuban food. They had a great dessert - dulce de leche ice cream with bananas flambeed in rum.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                        I remember a Cajun restaurant somewhere in the 20s; I think the name was Louisiana, and the chef was Abe DeLaHoussaye. My sister and I ate there fairly often, but the one dinner I remember most was the one where she reached down to put her bag under the table and found a rather large bag of white powder.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                          I think the same chef opened a place called Texarkana, but do not remember where this was...more like the early 80s, though.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                            texarkana was on west ninth or tenth, just east of sixth. i *think* it may have been in the space where alta is now.....

                                                                                                                                          2. re: erica

                                                                                                                                            erica: The cajun place was called LOUISIANA; it was located on 8th Avenue, between 16th & 17th Streets, I believe.

                                                                                                                                          3. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                            I remember How's Bayou. There was also Gulf Coast just off West St. There also used to be a cajun place on Greenwich in Tribeca in the early '90s. Can't remember the name but I did a lot of drinking there.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                              Was Gulf Coast the place with all the palm trees? That was a destination spot for a bunch of us on the UWS. So was Maroon's; not as long gone as many in this thread, but still missed.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                No palm trees at Gulf Coast. Had a old Gulf Oil sign on the outside. It wasn't UWS, more west village. The only place I remember with fake palm trees is Sugar Reef. Now that is a blast from the past for me.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                  Oh, yes. Gulf Coast. Phenomenal pork chops.

                                                                                                                                                  And you're right. It was Sugar Reef I was thinking of with the palm trees. Still have a cookbook with recipes from that restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                    I went to Sugar Reef frequently. It may have been the first hint of gentrification among East Village eateries, because though it was super-informal, the prices were slightly elevated compared to all the Polish and Ukrainian pierogi places/diners.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pan

                                                                                                                                                      if you can believe it i only recently got rid of my beloved sugar reef tee shirt - i took such good care of it like linus's blanket, but it finally fell to rags lol

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                    GULF COAST was on the corner of West 12th St. & West Street (across from the Hudson River)--a turquoise building, remember? It has been an empty lot for years, since it collapsed in neglect; eventually it was torn down.

                                                                                                                                                    Those were the daze when the Far West Village was really the Far West Village.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                                                      oh heck yes. loved the place. on my second or third visit, i went solo and ate my meal, only to discover i'd left my wallet at work. it was late and i was mortified. told my waitress, who seemed a little skeptical, but not terribly so, and she got the manager -- who basically said 'okay, come back later this week to settle the bill.' i did, of course, with an extra tip for the server, who was there. :)

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                                                        In terms of local dive-y joints, we never liked Gulf Coast as well as Automatic Slims.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                          The Look of GULF COAST & Tortilla Flats (which is still there) was innovated by the same person; his name is Stan.

                                                                                                                                                          AUTOMATIC SLIMS is still there. You can still enjoy the place, their food and all--but you won't be hearing strong bass in their music. They keep the bass toned down, because of neighbors.

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                                                          Once Gulf Coast closed, I always wondered why they closed and why no one ever opened another spot in its place. Maybe cuz it was pretty remote and the WS path wasn't what it is now.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: GoodGravy

                                                                                                                                                            It was a real estate issue when the landlord died. That's why a number of places closed in the West Village.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, it was probably owned by Robert Gotleib, who owned half of the far west village back in the day. He died young, and without heirs or a will, as I recall, and I always wondered how they unwound his estate, which was very closely held to say the least.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                Robert Gottlieb's estate is an unfortunate story, as explained below:


                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, interesting. I wonder what, if anything, has happened in the last 4 years. Can you say Bleak House?

                                                                                                                                                  3. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                                    As a kid, I loved the food as well as the ambiance at Mamma Leone's.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: foodwhisperer

                                                                                                                                                      Gee, haven't seen Hamburger Harry's mentioned in a looong time!

                                                                                                                                                      Does anyone remember a restaurant called Girafe? It might have been in Midtown East. I had some quality white asparagus with melted parmiggiano each time I went.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: BuildingMyBento

                                                                                                                                                        Girafe..was it in a townhouse in the east 50s?

                                                                                                                                                        Also in that area was Louise, Jr.
                                                                                                                                                        And on the corner of 54th Street@SecondAvenue, an upscale Italian in a painted-yellow building (not gone) named Toscana?

                                                                                                                                                        And on East 49th, The Box Tree, and near there, a Mexican place, La Casa de los Milagros.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                          The Mexican on 49th was Fonda La Paloma. Fonda Los Milagros was originally on 55th btwn Mad & Park, then moved to 53rd, btwn 2nd & 3rd where Solera(?) is now. There was another, more casual Mexican across the street and downstairs called Bonampak. On the 56th & 8th, I spent a lot of time at Tapika, now a bank.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: DrewEck

                                                                                                                                                            Thanks! Reaching back even further, there was an upscale Spanish restaurant named Toledo. It may have evolved from the World's Fair. Do not remember the location. I do remember, vaguely, the Mexican Bonampak. On 53rd, Ay Chihuahua had a long run between First and Second Aves, but this was just generic Mexican American as I remember. Surprise, I just looked it up and it is still around!

                                                                                                                                                            There were also a couple of successive Spanish places just off First, in a location in the east 40s near the UN.
                                                                                                                                                            One of these, Marichu, was run by Teresa Berrenachea, a well-regarded Basque chef who ohad another Marichu in Conn. This may have been the first Basque-inspired restaurant in the City. Then there was Alcala, in the same space.

                                                                                                                                                            In the same area, I remember a South Indian, Madras Woodlands, that also catered to the UN crowd.

                                                                                                                                                            We also had the French Le Manoir and Le Madrigal, somewhere in East Midtown (??)

                                                                                                                                                            And then there was Sign of the Dove, on Third, owned by a dentist. Isle of Capri is still around near that location.
                                                                                                                                                            Gino's on Lexington was also in that neighborhood. And, of course, the French Le Veau D'Or.

                                                                                                                                                            And Nanni, and Nanni Il Valetto. Presumably run by Nanni! Forget where those upscale Italian siblings were located.

                                                                                                                                                            I'd better quit now or I will be sitting here all day! I will have to dig up my collection of old restaurant matches.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                              Right. And Oscars seafood around there too.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                Le Veau d'Or is still there.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: hazelhurst

                                                                                                                                                                    I had no idea it was still there!!!

                                                                                                                                                                    I also remember a "fancy" Italian, on East 34th Street: Nicola Paone. (Sp?)

                                                                                                                                                                    My dad liked Marchi's, in a townhouse in the East 40s, I think. It was a set Italian meal and it was quantity over quality as I remember.

                                                                                                                                                                    Remember the days when there would be a glass/plate of celery and black olives on the table when you sat down? Maybe some other things, too.

                                                                                                                                                                    And then there was Pearl's, a midtown Cantonese famous for "lemon chicken." And Canton, in Chinatown, that may have been run by the same woman...I think these were favorites of Craig CLaiborne.
                                                                                                                                                                    Canton was famous for their Chicken Soong, as I think they called their lettuce-wrapped chicken dish.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: eLizard

                                                                                                                                                                        I had no idea! Still there, on East 31st, not in the 40s as I wrote earlier. And from a brief look at their site, the menu has not changed:


                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                        You spelled it correctly: Nicola Paone. Not really long gone. Only closed in '98. I worked nearby and used to drink--I mean eat--lunch there frequently. Remember the Veal Boom Boom?

                                                                                                                                                                        I also remember, must have been in the late '60s, I wore a pants suit to a business lunch there. They told me "No pants allowed" for women, so I went to the ladies room and took them off. Good thing those early pants suits had tunic-length tops and mini-skirts were fashionable.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                          Good for you, Joan! It's probably difficult for a generation younger than ourselves to believe today that women could not dine at many NYC restaurants wearing pants. My Dad took me to visit a college near Boston in the late 60s. We planned to dine at a seafood restaurant...Anthony's Pier 55 or some such.
                                                                                                                                                                          It was a no go because of my haute preppy John Meyer of Norwich matching pants and cape!

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                            I remember Nicola Paone since that was the neighborhood where I grew up. I have even a vague memory of when it opened, and when it closed it seems to me the place was vacant for a long time. I definitely remember Veal Boom Boom on the menu but I don't remember the details. I recall the place as very pleasant and the food good, though when I began to go to Italy I recoiled at their practice of offering spaghetti as a side dish. And I definitely remember calling for reservations and being told, "Please, for the ladies, no pants." That must have been the era of the first pantsuits, late sixties. Don't know how far into the seventies they were able to sustain that policy, but they must have been one of the last holdouts.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                              If I recall correctly, Veal Boom Boom was a veal scallop rolled up with a slice of prosciutto inside a thin slice of eggplant and stuffed with mozzarella cheese. LOVED it.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                            Canton was very good at one meal we had and mediocre at the others, but always overpriced. I don't miss it.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                              Along with the celery and olives there was often green onion with the tops sort of frizzled.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, it was a townhouse! Did you like it? Do you remember when it opened?

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                        The charming BOX TREE was also in a townhouse. It was a lovely place.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: BuildingMyBento

                                                                                                                                                                        Up there in the (long-necked) heights of opulence, it was called "The Quilted Giraffe": initially on 50th off Second Ave, and then Madison @ 55th:

                                                                                                                                                                        Imagine a $135 prix fixe in 1975; the equivalent of $442 in 2014!

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                                                                                                                          Right. I was thinking of The Leopard.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. Remember Dobson's and Cherry restaurant on the UWS? Cherry was run by a Japanese couple who made great comfort type meals. Dobson's was where a lot of B'Way type folks gathered after shows. Great memories.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. Tads Steaks in Times Square. Chewy, fatty steak with a huge baked potato and a butter laden piece of "garlic bread"

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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: scottncg

                                                                                                                                                                          Remember Tads well. When we were teenagers, we'd take the train in from NJ to Times Square to drink, sometimes score illegal substances, take in the garish "sin palaces" that existed at the time, and sometimes take in a "legitimate" movie (we saw Lucio Fulci's "Zombie" at one of the few 42nd Street movie houses not specializing in porn), and no trip was complete without a stop of Tads. We were teenagers with less than discriminating tastes, and even less money in our pockets, and Tads could sometimes make us feel that we were "big spenders" even if the steaks were a minefield of fat and gristle (I didn't really know what a good steak was until years later I ate at Sparks and had a steak that must have been four inches thick without a smidgen of fat or gristle on it). In Times Square, I think we also occasionally ate at a cheap Chinese place called...if I remember right..."China Bowl."

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: legsdiamond12

                                                                                                                                                                            tad's is still alive, and serving the same purpose. there's a location on 50th, next to "the world's largest friday's" that i tried for nostalgia's sake about a year ago. sometimes nostalgia should be left unexplored.

                                                                                                                                                                            i remember china bowl much more fondly. it was down the street from a job i had in the early part of the '90s -- working on the launch of a short lived magazine called MTV to Go (also as good as it sounds). the art director and i would go there to drink off a bad day, and soak up whatever went in with cheap Cantonese that i recall being pretty decent. i may be wrong on that one since my critical faculties were usually a bit impaired when there. the vibe -- old-fashioned, plush, surprisingly polite -- is etched in my mind, though.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: scottncg

                                                                                                                                                                            Tad's maybe forgotten but is not gone.

                                                                                                                                                                            But for bad cheap steak, how can you leave out Beefsteak Charlie's?

                                                                                                                                                                          3. Very short lived -- but anyone dine at Seasons of My Heart -- opened by the wonderful Susan Trilling in Tribeca-area? Only in operation for a year or so in the mid-1970's. Susan has several cookbooks on Oaxachan and maybe cajun cuisine.

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                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: JimmySee

                                                                                                                                                                              I did not know that restaurant, but Susana Trilling is considered one of the authorities on Oaxacan cooking.

                                                                                                                                                                              I do remember The Ballroom in Tribeca, before Tribeca became trendy and crazy pricey and where, (I think) the chef was Peruvian Felipe Rojas Lombardi, who died in his 40s.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. Susan was a friend of a friend and catered house parties down in alphabet city that we would never miss. When she opened Seasons of My Heart, it was a big deal for us. We've drifted apart over the years, but she's a wonderful, talented, beautiful lady.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. Some of my Manhattan Memories of wonderful food that I still crave are:

                                                                                                                                                                                Col Legno, a great simple Tuscan restaurant on East 9th
                                                                                                                                                                                Sabor, a wonderful Cuban restaurant on Cornelia Street
                                                                                                                                                                                Rosolio on Barrow Street
                                                                                                                                                                                Centanni on Carmine Street
                                                                                                                                                                                Shopsins when Eve was alive
                                                                                                                                                                                The chocolate eclairs at Craig's Bakery on First Ave and 19th street
                                                                                                                                                                                El Faro (spanish, west village)
                                                                                                                                                                                Il Faro (Italian, east 14th Street)
                                                                                                                                                                                Ottimo on West 24th street
                                                                                                                                                                                Horn & Hardart rice pudding & cucumber salad (separately)
                                                                                                                                                                                'Ino on Bedford Street
                                                                                                                                                                                The Starthrower Cafe on Greenwich Ave
                                                                                                                                                                                Boca Chica on First at First
                                                                                                                                                                                Inside on Jones Street
                                                                                                                                                                                Roma Pizza on Bleecker Street

                                                                                                                                                                                And yes, when I was a kid my parents loved deer season at Luchows, but it never sucked me in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DavyTheFatBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                  Col Legno was a good place - always honest, good food, and a good wine list, and it was always a civilized, adult environment and exhibited the work of local artists, changing exhibits every month. It was a little pricey for its time, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DavyTheFatBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                    Luchow;s also did a turtle soup back when it was still seen around town (and even in Brooklyn, at Gravesend Bay). Gage & Tollner had it, too. Allowing the death of G&T is a blot on New York's honor.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. okay, one last one (i think) from me - and it's such a specialized one, i almost want to spin it off into a new thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Princess Pamela's on East First. a remarkably strange place, run like a speakeasy and looking like an apartment (which it may well have been). run by a woman of that same name, and serving southern food that ran the gamut between transcendent and borderline awful, depending on the day.

                                                                                                                                                                                    you didn't really get a choice about what to eat -- she was ahead of herself in that way, this being 1982/83 -- and you stood a chance of getting the boot a la shopsin's. you also stood a chance of her asking 'what would you like to have, i'll see if we can do it' and sit at your table singing to you -- there was usually a live jazz combo, sometimes with big names, in the house.

                                                                                                                                                                                    anyone else recall this place? or know what might've happened to pamela?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: debinqueens

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, Princess Pamela was one of a kind. She also wrote a cookbook in 1969 that was published by New American Library:

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Here's two old threads about Princess Pamela's, where I spent exactly one (very) memorable evening.


                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't feel quite old enough to make a valuable contribution to this thread, although I usually feel plenty old. Why, I used to go to Gourmet Garage when it was actually in a garage, and to Citarella when it was just a small fish store with a really cool window display:


                                                                                                                                                                                        But there are plenty of places that I miss, some of them already mentioned. The Mill in Morningside Heights, the Man Ray and the Zig Zag and the Bright Food Shop in Chelsea, Joe Jr. on 6th & 12th, Kiev & Christine's in the East Village, Pita Express on 1st & 15th. And the Tiffany Diner, where we used to go after Area, where we were once serenaded by a drag queen in head-to-toe Norma Kamali, and which was on...some street, I don't even know. Maybe the best way to really feel part of a neighborhood - or a city - is to mourn what it has lost.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: small h

                                                                                                                                                                                          And one more - El Teddy's, which was (I think) the first place I had upscale Mexican. It hasn't really been gone that long, according to this:


                                                                                                                                                                                          But I remember going there for a friend's birthday dinner in the late '80s and being absolutely scandalized that the bill came to $40/person. Who would have the gall to expect people to pay $40 for dinner & drinks? (I remember who it was, but I'll keep that info to myself.)

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: small h

                                                                                                                                                                                            And not too far from El Teddy's was Capsuoto Freres, owned by three brothers, in a beautiful building on Washington Street. They lasted for 33 years until closing after Hurricane Sandy. I'd guess that many people made their first foray into Tribeca for "special occasion" dining at that restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Also, just off West Street near the tunnel there was a long-running old-school Italian restaurant that was rumored to be a Mob hangout.....Fratelli Ponte, or Ponte's. Closed not too long ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                              I had my first Mother's Day brunch there years ago. Although I was a long-time downtown resident, it was my first meal at Ponte's. I remember being surprised by how good the food was.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                CAPSOUTO FRERES was in a beautiful building. However, they served me a runny souffle, so I never went back. We used to tip toe past the oven when a souffle was being baked; they are a delicate matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Giovannis Atrium
                                                                                                                                                                                          The Delphi
                                                                                                                                                                                          Tennessee Mountain
                                                                                                                                                                                          The Fisherman's Net
                                                                                                                                                                                          Hawaii Kai
                                                                                                                                                                                          Le Petite Auberge
                                                                                                                                                                                          Cafe Brussels
                                                                                                                                                                                          Hong Wah
                                                                                                                                                                                          Not Manhattan but Lundys

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: psnative

                                                                                                                                                                                            Hawaii Kai - good grief, I's forgotten, Almost had my sweet 16 there but had it at a place called Ginza which was a Chinese buffet/disco on 60th Street. I don't think we can leave the Copa out of this thread either!!

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: wincountrygirl

                                                                                                                                                                                              My sister had her sweet 16 there too! We thought it was so hip!

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: psnative

                                                                                                                                                                                              La Petite Auberge was a great favorite. I was a founding member and can barely walk by the spot without crying. But they went out on top so there is that.

                                                                                                                                                                                            3. There was this BBQ/soul food place on 27th between 5th and broadway I believe. it wasn't cheap either.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Mr. somethings...the owner used to park his van in front

                                                                                                                                                                                              Before all the BBQ joints, this was the real deal also had
                                                                                                                                                                                              great honey dipped fried chicken and authentic sides

                                                                                                                                                                                              UGH what is the name of that place????

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: AdamD

                                                                                                                                                                                                Mr. Leos! Man the food was good!

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: AdamD

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mr Leo's! I remember that place. But I don't remember BBQ there, just soul food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: plf515

                                                                                                                                                                                                    yep, classic BBQ combo platters good ribs and chicken
                                                                                                                                                                                                    wasn't cheap though and I have no idea if they had a smoker on site

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Sloppy Louie's down by the Fulton Fish Market. The freshest fish in town bar none. Brightly lit, everything painted with white enamel and all long tables family style. We used to play tennis under the inflatable dome on the pier and then have supper there. Nothing ever compares.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: BluPlateSpec

                                                                                                                                                                                                    that was a pretty special place. the fish market area was so much more interesting before it was the "seaport"

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: BluPlateSpec

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh my goodness. Sloppy Louie's. Yes. Yes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: BluPlateSpec

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Holy cow! Sloppy Louies, yes! And Luchows, the Bellmore Cafeteria, Ratners, Balkan Armenian, Abbey Tavern...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: rockycat

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Used to have lunch from Sloppy Louies all the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          And Front Street Restaurant was there too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Did anyone here ever dine at The Palace? I remember it being featured by Andy Rooney, who ripped it to shreds. I believe it was billed as the most expensive restaurant in America at the time. A poor woman interviewed on the show lamented about how she couldn't get a date to take her to The Palace. One time, she had a fish on the hook, but when they sat down, the guy read the prices on the menu and got up and left.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Terrific idea for a post.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I can think of a lot of restaurants that have come and gone during my decades here in NYC, so I'll limit my list to places I actually visited. Some of them may have been mentioned already, so apologies for that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Bavarian Inn on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Lorelei on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Kleine Konditorei on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Ideal Cafe on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Hawaii Kai in the Times Square area
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Nedicks all over town, especially the one at Madison Square Garden when it was at 49th and 8th
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Forum of the Twelve Caesars (forgot the location but will never forget the one visit)
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Jack Dempsey's in Times Square
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *The Automat on 42nd on the East Side
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Gage and Tollner in Brooklyn
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Riverrun in Tribeca
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Smokestack Lightning in Tribeca
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *O Henry's in the Village (W4th and 6th Ave)
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Horn of Plenty in the Village
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Italian Kitchen in Times Square
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Maxwell Plum on the East Side
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Dangerfield's on the East Side
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *Sazerac House in the Village
                                                                                                                                                                                                          *the ubiquitous Blarney Stones all over town, most now gone

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm sure I'm missing a bunch. Thinking of these places really brings back memories...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: BrookBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                            "*Forum of the Twelve Caesars (forgot the location but will never forget the one visit)"

                                                                                                                                                                                                            48th St. btw 5th & 6th -- where A.J. Maxwell's Steak House now is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Sneakeater

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Near Fonda del Sol..the original one..on 6th, I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              My parents had ashtrays from Romeo Salta and Quo Vadis....those were before my time..both in West 50s, I think. Romeo Salta was one of the first upscale "northern Italian" restaurants, but Romeo himself was from Puglia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: BrookBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Great list. Another vote here for the Horn & Hardart Automat(s) as the classic NY eatery in 1950s, early 1960s. As the OP mentioned, "RIP," but the automat still reigns big in my memory banks

                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Help me with the name of this restaurant on West 34th St. (north side between 8th and 9th). It was a seafood restaurant, quite large. Their dessert specialty was Nesselrode pie.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: bobjbkln

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not helping here -- but the first Chinese restaurant we frequented when we moved to Manhattan in late 1973 was on the south side of West 34th Street between 7th and 8th across the street from Macy's -- a second floor walk-up. Dang if I remember the name -- they served Cantonese food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: penthouse pup

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thank you penthouse pup. It's been bothering me for a while.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: penthouse pup

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      my nana used to take me and one lucky buddy to paddys' for steamers,lobster,corn on the cob and the best salt rolls in the world i miss paddys and my nana.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. One Spanish restaurant I remember is Sevilla -- near the unlikely corner of West 4th Street and West 10th Street in the west village -- because West 4th swings north west of 6th Avenue, and West 10th Street turns south! Not as good as El Faro, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: JimmySee

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sevilla is still there. We go every Christmas Eve. It is beloved in our family.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Red Wine Shrimp at Chung Yung on 27th St between 6th and 7th Ave! Back in the 80's and 90's

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Nedick's for Orange soda

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Goody's for $2 XLB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nathan's in Times Square

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: fourunder

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I liked noodle soups at Goody's. Good, cheap place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Pan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Luther was the man. The House Special Tofu with Water Spinach and the Braised Carp Casseroles were a couple of my favorites.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I would have listed Hsin Wong...but Yee Li are the same owners and they are still around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: fourunder

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Mission Orange soda, the drink of summer. Don't know what gave it that bright orange color and don't want to know now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hire's Root Beer from the barrel dispenser at Nathan's in Coney Island. Mumm, that and those greasy, crinkle cut french fries with loads of ketchup, another taste of summer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. I think a special nod should be given to Windows on the World.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: fourunder

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Absolutely! It was lovely. Remember having 2 nice dinners: one with a beautiful view the other with the clouds so heavy, no view at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ellenost

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i only went there a handful of times for private parties, passed plates/buffets, but the experience was lovely. the food was mostly very good and the service was impeccable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: fourunder

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We had a reservation for 9/24/01.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Sloppy Joe's on South Street. The Ruc on E72 St off Second Ave, one of the last good places to get Czech food. And Ray's Pizza on First Ave between 58 & 59 Street - this really was the original Ray's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Sweet's - seafood near Fulton Fish Market
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chandlers Steakhouse - midtown
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Trader Vic's - basement of the Plaza
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bo Bo - Chinatown - "special shrimp"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and a special shout out to:


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chuck Lawrence

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had a French friend whose husband (also French) was an art director at some magazine. They had been taken to Florent late one night, and she raved about a couple of the dishes there, but they couldn't remember where it was or what it was called. It was very under the radar.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Chuck Lawrence

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I used to go to Florent, I thought how progressive they were with just the grape varietal and price on the wine menu. I would walk there by myself scared half to death! Also cash only, they would take an out of state check!! I was floored.. That's how long ago! Checks!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chuck Lawrence

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ah FLORENT. No restaurant has survived in that spot. So much for greedy landlords...It's been empty for some time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Oscar's Salt of the Sea on Third Ave. at 63rd. St., good sea food, good prices and Oscar. Read about it here at:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (Jeremiah's Vanishing New York)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Mocca, and everything that was Hungarian in Yorkville, and
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bonte Pâtisserie on Third Ave at 75th Steet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Maryld

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mocca's chestnut dessert was wonderful. Never seen it anywhere else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. How about Asti's where The Strip House is now at 13 E. 12th Street. They used to sing opera while you ate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. My father was in the garment center and occasionally he would let me and my sister miss school and go with him for the day to the showrooms for him to do his seasonal buying.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We didn't know from cafeterias since we went home from school for lunch so it was a treat when he took us to Dubrow's on 7th Avenue in the 30's. I loved how you can pick out your own food! My favorite was the tuna sandwich and I loved the chocolate pudding too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: valerie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wasn't Lou G. Siegel near there? I think that one was Kosher.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: valerie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DUBROW'S had fabulous cheese blintzes; they provided sour cream in a small paper cup on the same plate. DUBROW'S blintzes were much thicker RATNER'S blintzes and quite delicious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Always enjoyed RATNER'S blintzes--both blueberry & cheese.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Anyone remember the UES Italian restaurant next to the Friar's Club--Monte something?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. The Burger Joint and the Pizza Joint, side by side on the west side of Broadway north of 79th Street -- not very good -- but cheap and casual!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Some great memories here-
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            How about
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chealsea Central?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. There was a little French restaurant on W56th Street that my friend and I used to go to all the time. They had a particular chicken dish that I adored, and the prix fix dinner also included dessert -- either a frozen eclair or a creme caramel. The starter of choice was grilled grapefruit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm wondering also if anyone remembers La Griglia in Little Italy. It was a tiny restaurant that had an amazing garlic bread that had a cheese sauce poured over it. If you had that as a starter, there wasn't room for anything else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. I used to think the Brew Burger made the best hamburger on earth. As a teen, a favorite pastime was to catch some movies in Times Square with a friend or two, hit up the Brew Burger, then try and peek past the bouncer at the Metropole Go Go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had my priorities in order back then.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Casa Brazil on East 85th Street... in a townhouse.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And in the '70's (I think) there was a great Indian restaurant on East 86th…. Sahib.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Does anyone remember a place in the 60's called Coffee Villa? It was a coffee house that had great burgers up a rickety staircase on 58th off Fifth. They tore it down when they built 9 West 57th. Also, there was a diner/coffee shop - Leo's? on Madison in the high 70's. or maybe it started with and S. Oh, the memory is shot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. OMG, don't forget the 411 (at 411 Bleecker st); the chef/owner's name was Gus!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also Esther Kee's in Chinatown.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Still miss Keneret, while Dardenelles on University Pl was more upscale (why no Armenian places anymore?).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Magda's on Grove St.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was friends with the owners of Il Faro on E 14th, which was French/Italian (they were from around Nice).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I fondly remember a snack at Sutter's when friends of the female inmates in the prison across the street were shouting affection for them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And there was an upscale soulfood place on E 72nd in the early 70ies, with jacketed waiters.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Jane Street Seafood Cafe was a special occasion place.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The hamburgers at Country Cousin on 3rd (Bonte's was across the street).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think that the Gulf Coast was on Washington St in the west Village.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Smokey's BBQ was on 9th av, just below 14th.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I loved El Pollo, which is now Pio Pio on 1st.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think that Peppermint Park was the successor at the original Maxwell's Plum location.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The French Roumanian was indeed on the South side of Delancey--I went there and ordered red wine and almost chocked on the syrupy sweet stuff.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To the other memories of Luchow's, I have to add the wonderful oompah music at holiday time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Maybe we should all meet at Tad's!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: GaryUES

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So was Keneret Armenian? I mentioned it above but I had always thought it was Syrian. But, really, I would have been hard pressed to know any dishes from either cuisine back in those days..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Having grown up with close Syrian friends, I love their cuisine, but Keneret was Armenian.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Kramer's bakery on 2nd ave.- great black and whites

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Cherry on Columbus avenue - a diner that served oyako don

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Teachers/Teachers Too on Broadway

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There were so many.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was trying to remember that bakery. Yes, and I think marzipan rainbow cookies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Bun N' Burger on 34th street just east of Park Ave. Craig Claiborne, legendary food writer for the NY Times gave this place a fabulous review in the late 1960's. The owner/cook offered just four items; burgers (with melted cheese if desired) , thick cut fries, apple pie and coffee. He purchased the meat fresh every day at the meat market (in what's now "The Meat Packing District). When that meat was used up, no more burgers for that day. Inside was a counter, no tables, and at lunch time there was always a line outside waiting to get in. Sometime later someone bought the place, opened several more branches around Manhattan, added many items and went out of business.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: BluPlateSpec

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I loved Bun N'Burger. There were several in Manhattan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I don't think anyone has mentioned Ying's (Chinese in the West 60's with a garden that is now a senior center). Or Monsoon (UWS). Or Madras Woodlands (by the UN; now on LI). Or the "health food" place on lower 5th near Barnes & Noble whose name I can't remember. On E. 6th, Prince of India for purely sentimental reasons. Or Ellen's Coffee shop when it was on Chambers St. Or the place that was in the Woolworth Building. Or Gage & Tolner. And especially -- although I can't imagine anyone else would know it -- the Polish hole in the wall on 5th Ave. in Brooklyn at 39th St. or so with the sauerkraut, pea and other soups that could easily support a spoon standing up, a roast turkey always in the back, the owner who would always come out with another half chicken when you were finishing your portion because you were obviously still hungry!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: alc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I did mention Madras Woodlands, above, but had no idea that they were now on Long Island.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Speaking of Indian, is it my imagination or did a branch of the venerable Gaylord's operate in Manhattan for a while?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also remember an Indian place on Park in the high 50s..east side of the avenue. Akbar? One of the few upscale Indian places at the time (??)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also, when I lived on East 19th Street, there was JOanna's, which must have been among the first upscale places to open on the streets just west of Union Square Park. Was this the photography district, or was that just off Park in the 20s (??)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                [slightly OT]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The photo district ran along the west side of Fifth between 23rd and about 16th; there were some sales places along Park, but not heavy-duty processing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There was a Gaylord's in Manhattan once upon a time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, Gaylord's was on 1st av, near E 6th St. I liked it so much that I eventually ate at the one in New Delhi about 10 years ago. Ellen's on Chambers had the best apple turnovers ever. The last time I passed Gage and Tollner there was a cheap clearance store there; so sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: GaryUES

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But wasn't there once a Gaylord's in midtown, too?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I knew them from India and remember being so excited to learn that they had arrived here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes: Madras Woodlands (same owner) is now on Hillside Ave in New Hyde Park. Many years ago it was my introduction to South Indian vegetarian cooking. I think it was the only such restaurant in NY at the time. I discovered it on LI completely by accident.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I remember the first time I ate at Madras Woodlands -- I was completely blown away. I don't think I've ever had dal as good as theirs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I had possibly the best breakfast of my life at Madras Woodlands in Delhi, but I remember hearing that the New York branch was not at all comparable; I don't remember whether I visited it or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In the East Village, Madras Cafe was on 2nd Av. between 4th and 5th for a couple of decades and was not the best South Indian vegetarian restaurant in Manhattan but was very dependable and good. Unfortunately, they closed a few years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Madras Woodlands
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1627 Hillside Ave
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      New Hyde Park, NY

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      same owner, but a lot less upscale in price and atmosphere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Moe's-excellent veal chop.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mr. Mike's-giant and excellent cutlet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. How about Trattoria Alfredo on Bank and Hudson? It was THE Italian restaurant in the 70s.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Roxlet, we obviously frequented a lot of the same haunts in the WV in the 70s! Went to Alfredo's for New Years Eve in 1978 and many times just for dinner as well . As I recall, Alfredo at his zenith had 3 restos in NYC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: masha

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I lived a block away on Abingdon Square. Alfredo was a big deal in the restaurant scene in NY back then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh, yes!!! Trattoria Alfrredo was a great spot! I think I still have a cookbook by Alfredo..have to check. Did he also open a place in the "new" CitiCorp center on Third/Lex and 54th St? I remember that there was an Italian "Alfredo" in that space when the building opened.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But I actually miss Tavola Calda da Alfredo on Bleecker Street more, even though it was his more downscale restaurant...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: DavyTheFatBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There was also a wonderful Italian in the village - Restaurant 68. I forget what street it was on but I can picture it - on a corner..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DavyTheFatBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just glanced over at Alfredo Viazzi's cookbook and can remember host Ken (his son I believe). Great staff and food. His sister ran Trattoria de Alfredo the other place up near the Village Nursing Home on Eighth Ave. Alfredo worked with Elaine of Elaines I think.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              These days I frequent Bar Pitti in the neighborhood or drive out to Don Peppes near JFK. Can't think of anything better for the money.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, yes, yes! We read about Alfredo's in the NYT and went there several times. Alfredo would always briefly sit down with us and ask how we liked the meal. What a great, intimate place that unfortunately does not exist anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                NADINE'S, in the same spot...maybe the next restaurant at that location.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I barely remember Trattoria Alfredo, but NADINE'S was a good restaurant, at one time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ZaZa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BEATRICE was a wonderful family-run Italian restaurant on W. 12th St., which we patronized for many years. They had great Shrimp Francese.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "The Beatrice Inn" is a totally different restaurant (same location, different owners).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Circa late 1960s, I had Belgian waffles several times at a cafe in the theater district- wish I could remember the name of the place! The cafe was either part of a hotel lobby or right next to a hotel. The wait staff in formal white and black, foreign accents, and I thought it was the classiest place in the world. I stopped there for my Belgian waffles several times as a teenager, and one particular server had the people-skills to act like he remembered me from visit to vist. So, many years later, having moved away from metro & suburban NYC, I was back on a visit and could not for the life of me find it. I wandered up and down the neighborhood streets and finally decided that may be a teenage memory that will forever have some mystery elements to it. Anyone else remember a place that sounds like my cafe?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I'm surprised to see no mention of Sign of the Dove...perhaps I missed it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can't say it was a favorite of mine but my parents got engaged there...52 years ago!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: valerie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      long gone but not forgotten and not necessarily good...iconic nonetheless

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sign of the Dove was mentioned upthread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ellenost

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thx I'll take another look. I just remembered the Edwardian Room at the Plaza Hotel, I had foie gras for the first time there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And speaking of the Plaza, what about tea in the Palm Court? And, of course, Trader Vic's? And there was a little place on 58th Street up some stairs where my friends and I would sometimes go to lunch before an afternoon movie at the Paris (or was the Paris the one near Reuben's and the one west of Fifth the Plaza?). And what about Reuben's? Wasn't it 58th near Madison?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So, mbfant, I think you are talking about Coffee Villa - I mentioned above. on 58th and yes, right near the Paris - up a flight of stairs and went when they broke ground for 9 W 57. I loved that place, Good burgers. The Paris was 58th off Fifth between 5 and 6th.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Reuben's, of course. 58th 5th/Mad... right off 5th. They had
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              a revolving door entrance with giant teddy bears on the over
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ledge inside. How's Lindy's ? Bway 49th St.Went on Sundays with best friend and parents after Sunday school. Any memory of the Longchamps chain??? These chats are amazing!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Georgia Peach

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Had my first, and practically only, blintzes at Lindy's, and of course it remains the gold standard for cheesecake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, remember Longchamps too!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Coffee Villa -- the name doesn't ring a bell, but since I'm drawing a total blank, that doesn't mean anything. The location is exactly right. I used to go in the mid-60s, maybe late 60s.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, exactly,the right timing and location. Small place up a flight of stairs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Reubens was moved around it was on 6 East 58th
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                the Original Russian Tea Room

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  High Tea in the PALM COURT, Chamber Music...and a long table with pastries when you enter....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've forgotten more places than I remember. How sad. Good call!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Does anyone remember a little Jewish deli next to the Filmore East? There I had the best tuna sandwich in my life. And the Bus Stop Cafe on the corner of W 12 and Hudson? The best egg salad sandwich made with still-warm eggs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: debinqueens

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bus Stop Cafe is still there (I think) but was redone at least a decade ago - lost some of it's charm!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Does anyone else remember the Soda Fountain at Bigelows - I had Root beef floats there with my mother when I was very little.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Provence was on Macdougal - - They sabered a champagne bottle for my 16th birthday - or maybe high school graduation - I think I still have the cork!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    THE SODA FOUNTAIN AT BIGELOWS...egg creams & ice cream sodas!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. The Tip Toe Inn

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Every coffee shop (as opposed to coffee bar) that used to have blue and white coffee cups with the Acropolis on it and 99cent egg/potato/toast/coffee breakfasts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Lutèce. My wife had recently been to Lyon and for her birthday I surprised her with reservations for lunch at Lutèce. When we got there we were seated right at the time of our reservation. As we were eating, André Soltner, the owner and chef stopped by to see how we were enjoying our meal. He was known as a very democratic person. Once when the President of France called to eat that same day, André Soltner refused to cancel any existing reservations to make room for him. I doubt if any "Star Chefs" today would do likewise.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: BluPlateSpec

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On my profile page, where it asks the best meal you've had, I wrote the roast chicken at Lutece. It was a fabulous restaurant, and Soltner always came by to ask about your meal. So much of what I had there was revelatory.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Parioli something… Romano?? Townhouse in East 80's.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Upscale Italian.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Cucina Stagionale
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cabana Carioca
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shagorika on 2nd Ave. - great inexpensive Indian food
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Little Shanghai - amazing bowls of noodles

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Lived on the UES from 1985-90. On E. 86 St. Between 1st and 2ns, there was a Belgian place called Flammand. Outstanding food, great value. Owner was always generous, comping us dessert or drinks. He closed the place when he and the chef (whose name, I think, was Bernard) had a falling out. Subsequently discovered the owner had a bit of a coke habit and committed suicide shortly after closing the place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            +1 for Larre's, which was my Grandma's favorite. Also +1 for $4.95 curry dinners on E. 6 St., which, we believed, all shared a common kitchen. Sugar Reef. "Cuban-Chinese" on UWS (rice and beans for $2).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Arlequino on Perry St. Breaded artichokes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: famdoc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If the Cuban-Chinese you're referring to on the UWS is La Caridad, it has expanded and is still going strong (although I don't think the rice and beans are only $2 any longer).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I still miss the Irish Pavilion, on East 57th. Great tea and brown bread and a lovely shop. It was a spinoff of the World's Fair. There must have been others too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, yes, Maureen! I think that the restaurant Toledo was also a spinoff. And the Italian Pavillion, in the West 50s.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Even closer to my neighborhood, there was the distinctly old-school Elizabeth White's, on First Avenue @ 54th Street. A few blocks south, ribs at Wiley's. Fish at Hobeau's. And we can't leave out the popular Mayfair.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And Billy's, on First Avenue (space now occupied by Jubliee, whose original location was in the space once occupied by Cafe Europa, on 54th off First) which was touted as the "oldest restaurant in New York," although I thought that dubious honor belonged to Fraunces Tavern in the financial district.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not so sure about Toledo. On 36th between Madison and Fifth (or thereabouts)? If so, I believe it occupies the former premises of the wonderful Ararat (another for the list!) and belongs (or belonged) to Placido Domingo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And that reminds me of Charlie (Charley?) Brown in the PanAm building.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And Cedars of Lebanon, 29th between Park and Madison.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mbfant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, Charley (or "ie") Brown! Were there others in that building back then?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And did I mention the original La Fonda del Sol, in an office bldg (Time Life?) on 6th?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just looked up Toledo and I am amazed to see that they are still around, in a "new" location. Maybe I am wrong about the World's Fair connection, but I am pretty sure there was a Spanish restaurant that had its genesis at the Fair.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Are you thinking of Pampano and Placido Domingo? Or does he own several restaurants?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Orsini's on West 56th off Fifth was quite the place in its day....lots of famous names reportedly dined there. That entire block, and the block of 55th between 5th and 6th, was lined with restaurants, most or all of which are gone now, except Benihana.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. And I also remember Oscar's Salt of the Sea (I believe that was the entire name) where I once went with a friend of mine at a time when I didn't care much for fish, lol.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. There used to be a szechuan restaurant on Irving Place south of 16th st. They had the best cold sesame noodles that I ever tasted which was also the opinion of anyone who had the good fortune to eat there. I believe the owners sold the place in the late1970's and the food was never the same. Another Hound remembers them too:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone else remember this place?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. To make it easier for folks who may concerned about the possibility of posting a repeat restaurant I have done my best to compile a list of places already mentioned. Thanks to those of you who have shared memories and stories of old NY...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    IMO it is worthwhile to read through each and every post in this thread... And yes... I have too much time on my hands!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Akbar, Park high 50's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Al Schacht
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Auto pub
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bavarian Inn on 86th
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Beefsteak Charlie's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Belmore Cafeteria
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bethesda café, Central Park
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Billy's on First Ave
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Blarney Stones all over town
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bo Bo - Chinatown
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Boca Chica
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bonte Pâtisserie
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Brew Burger
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Brussels (The)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Buffalo Roadhouse
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bun N' Burger on 34th
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bus Stop Café
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cabana Carioca
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cafe Brussels
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cafe des Artistes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Capsuoto Freres
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Carmine's Seafood
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Casa Brazil
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chalet Suisse
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chandlers Steakhouse - midtown
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chef Ma
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chelsea Central
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    China Bowl
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chock full o' Nuts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Christ Cella
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chung Yung on 27th
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Coffee Villa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Col Legno
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cote Basque
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Country Cousin on 3rd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Craig's Bakery
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cucina Stagionale
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Czech Praha
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dardenelles on University
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Éclair Bake shop
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Edwardian, room Plaza Hotel
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    El Coyote
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    El Faro
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    El Pollo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    El Teddy's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Elizabeith White's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ellen's Coffee shop, Chambers st
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ennio and Michael's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Esther Kee's,Chinatown
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fonda La Paloma
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Forum of the Twelve Caesars
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    411 Bleecker st
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    French Romanian Steak House
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Friday's before it was a chain
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gage & Tolner
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gino's on Lexington
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Giovannis Atrium
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Greenbergs, bakery
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gripsholm (The)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gulf Coast
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hamburger Harry's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hawaii Kai
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Henry Halper
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hick's ice cream
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    47th Street HoJos
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hong Fat
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hong Gung
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hong Wah
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Horn & Hardart Automat on 42nd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Horn of Plenty
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How's Bayou
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ideal Cafe on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Il Faro,E 14th
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Indian restaurants bet 1st and 2nd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Inside on Jones Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Irish Pavilion
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Italian Kitchen
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jack Dempsey's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jane Street Seafood Cafe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jim McMullin's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joe's, McDougal
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jon Vie bakery
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kleine Konditorei on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kramer's bakery on 2nd ave
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    La Casa de los Milagros
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    La Crepe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    La Griglia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    la grillade
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    La Maison
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Le Madrigal
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Le Manoir
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Le Marmiton
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Le Petite Auberge
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lime House
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Little Shanghai
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lorelei on 86th Street
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lou G. Siegel
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Louisiana Community Bar and Grill
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Madame Romaine de Lyon
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Madras Woodlands
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Magda's on Grove
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Magic Pan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mamma Leone's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Man Ray
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Manny Wolf's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Manny's Car Wash
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mary's in the Village
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maxwell's Plum
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mill (The)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mr. Leos
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mr. Mike's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nanni Il Valetto
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nathan's in Times Square
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nedick's, all over town
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nicola Paone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Numerous long narrow bars on the West side
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    O Henry's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Orange Julius
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oscar's Salt of the Sea
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oscars seafood
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Paddy's Clam House
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Palm Court, Plaza Hotel
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Parioli Romanisimo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pearl's, midtown Cantonese
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Peppermint Park
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Philippine Garden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Piccolo Mondo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pireus My Love
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pita Express
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Princess Pamela's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Quilted Giraffe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Quo Vadis
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ray's Pizza on First Ave,58 & 59
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Red Tulip
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Réné Pujol
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Restaurant 68
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rio Mar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Riverrun in Tribeca
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Roma Pizza, Bleecker
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Romeo Salta
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ruc Czech
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sand Bar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sazerac House
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sea Fare of the Agean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seasons of My Heart
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sign of the Dove
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sloppy Louie's, seaport
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Smokestack Lightning in Tribeca
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Smokey's BBQ
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sortk Club
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Starthrower Café
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sugar Reef
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sweet's - seafood near Fulton Fish Market
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tavola Calda da Alfredo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Teachers/Teachers Too on Broadway
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tennessee Mountain
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Ballroom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Box Tree
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Cherry on Columbus avenue
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Fisherman's Net
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Palace
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Ruc on E72
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tiffany Diner
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tip Toe Inn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tommy Tang's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Top of the Sixes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Trader Vic's, Plaza Hotel
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Trattoria Alfredo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Windows on the World
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ying's Chinese in the West 60's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yuet Sun
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Zig Zag
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Zum Zum

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    21 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Holy cannoli! That's a great list!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Great effort, thank you! Add Vienna 1979 to the list.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And speaking of the Austro-Hungarians, who could forget Danube, of a later vintage?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: erica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Actually it was Vienna '79 because it was originally on 79th Street and retained the name when it moved to 60th Street (actually merged with another Austrian place there).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ooh Ooh, just remembered another favorite. Cafe de Bruxelles. First place I ever had belgian frites. Best frites you could get in the city for the longest time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And for any other Columbia types who are old enough, there's the College Inn. I can't count the number of late night meals I had there. Always preferred the College Inn grease to Tom's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I loved it too, Moules-frites were spectacular!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bkeats

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                <Always preferred the College Inn grease to Tom's.>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Same here. One very late night (or very early morning), three friends and I went to College Inn to have breakfast specials. We ordered, got the food, and ate it. Our waitress cleared everything and reset the table without dropping the check. Then another waitress came by to ask what we wanted to order, thinking we'd just arrived. So we ate again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Add Cafe Geiger which was on 86 Street near Kleine Konditerei. Quite a list! Readers may want to visit the Lost City blog -- http://lostnewyorkcity.blogspot.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: penthouse pup

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the link. I would like to know what happened to all the Konditorei and little Hungarian restaurants in Yorkville---last time I was up in the city all I could find was one crummy Hungarian join that gave me heartburn even before I had finished my first course.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow what a list. I lived in the city in the late seventies to early eighties. I have fond memories of these places that I used to dine and drink at

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Il Nido
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Sanctuary
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Artie's warehouse
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Macaronie Factory
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Greene street
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mama Sitka

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: toonik

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Il Nido made the most divine malfatti.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I Loved the zabaglione they made table side.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: toonik

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Was the Macaroni Factory that place on like 9th avenue with the fresh pasta store in front and tables in the back? The wine was served in juice glasses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: penthouse pup

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh well. Knew it was Macaroni something! Ok, I'll add Supreme Macaroni!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: wincountrygirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I believe Giadorno's was around the corner from Supreme Macoroni...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: penthouse pup

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MANGANAROS was about a block south of SUPREME MACARONI COMPANY, across the street on 9th Ave., around 37th St. "The Home of the Hero"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: toonik

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Was Artie's Warehouse the restaurant in an old loft building on 19th or 20th St. between 10th and 11th Avenues? At the time it opened it was in the absolute middle of nowhere. It was really ahead of its time.