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Freds Franks only open for 2hrs a day

Carl owner of Freds Franks posted on facebook today that the town of Wakefield passed a law forcing him to move a 100 feet every two hours. He said he can't do that and will be only open from 11:30 to 1:30 until further notice. Such a shame. Looks like it'll be a while before I can get over there due to my hours.

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  1. that's BS, way to kill a well loved business Wakefield

    1. I don't know him or them or it, but wow, that's a douche move.

      1. Carl told me once that some of the brick and mortar places in Wakefield had complained that he was taking business away from them. It doesn't make sense because there are no restaurants that serve the same types of food as Carl does. This is pure local politics at its worst. I hope he fights it and wins. The sad thing is that Carl has always been a supporter of any of local charity events that are held in Wakefield.

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        1. re: RoyRon

          I hope he just leaves Wakefield. There are tons of other surrounding towns that would support him. I understand why he likes his spot, but I'm sure there is another where petty laws won't get in this way.


        2. this, in a word is BULLSHIT! I hope someone in Wakefield starts a petition.

          1. That aint right! How long was Fred there before Carl bought it? It's a landmark. It's good for the town, and a great stop when heading up north. His location should have been grandfathered protecting him from new regulations for new food trucks.

            Edit: This old article may be of interest. Something smells like old fish, and it aint Fred's.


              1. re: hyde

                He should move to another spot in another town. It might not be as scenic as his current spot right at the lake but perhaps he can trade scenery for a space with more traffic (both vehicular and foot).

                1. re: Gordough

                  I don't get it.. Wakefield usually has great attitudes towards this sort of thing...I would really love to know what changed.. and why.. No wonder I haven't seen Carl yet... and come to think of it, the RIchies slush guy might be missing too. I swear I saw a truck today, tho, at one of the parks of North Ave, and what about the vendors at the festivals or the farmers market vendors? There must be some kind of alternate permit he can sign.. there's got to be one ornery person who dug up some ancient ruling..

                  1. re: Gordough

                    such a bummer for Carl- I live in Woburn and I am sure folks at Horn Pond would welcome him! Come on over!

                2. Just saw on hiddenboston that things are getting worse for Fred's Franks. This is starting to look like targeted law making and enforcement. Pretty insane.



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                    1. re: hungrytommy

                      I feel angry and I've only stopped by a handful of times when travelling north. For me it has always been a destination. Somethings not right in Wakefield.

                      1. According to Carl's Facebook page, the Wakefield Board of Selectmen are going to discuss Fred's Franks in a private meeting tonight. If you want to show support you should call their office and let them know your opinion...



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                        1. re: Ladycale

                          Yeah, Fred's Franks just posted this on their Facebook page.

                          "I went to the Selectman's office this morning and he said it's not a public meeting."

                        2. This is terrible news. I just e-mailed each Wakefield town selectman and selectwoman to respectfully express my support for Fred's Franks. If they don't reconsider, hopefully Carl can find an even better location.

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                          1. re: lipoff

                            I rarely do this but I intend to contact the Town of Wakefield tomorrow and inform them that I will do everything possible to make sure that my family never spends a dime in their town if their decision is not reversed or a very, very good explanation for the law is not shared. I doubt they will care but strength in numbers yada yada. Between this and the closing of Sushi Island, the culinary reasons for setting foot in Wakefield are dwindling to nearly none. I simply cannot get up there in that two hour window if it is only 11:30am to 1:30pm.

                          2. I wonder if someone nearby just recently purchased a new expensive home and decided the smell of bbq all day was offensive? Akin to buying acres next to a pig farm and then trying to shut them down.
                            I really hope this is resolved as his business is positive for the lake and the community.

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                            1. re: Bellachefa

                              I want to live in a world that smelled of BBQ, I don't understand people who don't love that smell

                              1. re: devilham

                                I agree, and that is just a silly monday couch quarterback theory, based on nothing, although we have seen farms targeted before by new home owners that knew they were buying next to animal smells.

                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                  It's like the old Daily Show piece about a family who moved to The Castro in San Francisco, and then complained that it was "too gay". So you moved to the gayest section of the gayest city in America, and you think it's too gay? It's like moving next to an airport and complaining that "planes are loud". While never having had the opportunity to try Fred's Franks, I'll be sure to seek them out once he gets out of Wakefield, or gets a fair shake.

                                  1. re: Bellachefa

                                    Oh it happens for real, I remember in Brookline the place that became the Fireplace started out as a real deal BBQ joint, and they shut them down due to complaints about the smell....it's pretty ludicrous

                                    1. re: devilham

                                      I dunno, I can imagine living in a small studio apartment in Brookline, 90 degree+ week, and BBQ blowing in your only window all day every day to the extent that you feel like you can't open your window... I love Q, but not so sure I'd love that.

                                      I lived in the North End for 8 years until a resto put a huge industrial AC right under my bedroom window. When the compressor was running, 8 feet from my bed, it rattled my fillings, I actually had to move...

                                      1. re: StriperGuy

                                        StriperGuy, if you moved into a small studio apartment next to a bbq joint, would you then feel entitled to insist that the bbq joint move or shut down? How about if you moved into an apartment next to a location that was zoned for commercial use, including restaurant?

                                        1. re: StriperGuy

                                          But your experience doesn't fit in to this 'theory' You lived there before the industrial AC unit was installed and as a resident your quality of life was effected. My 'bogus theory based on nothing' is about new homeowners residents that move next to a fish plant and then try to change bylaws because they don't like the smell of fish on a 90 degree summer day.... or they knowingly move next to a vacant lot that a few dozen school busses have used for years to queue and warm up before picking up the kids. Again, I am talking about bs theories based on nothing, but something in Wakefield smells like 3 day old lake fish, and it's not Fred's.

                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                            Don't get me wrong, the Wakefield situation is total hooey on the town's part.

                                            The Fireplace BBQ piece was not at all the same scenario.

                                            Move next to a pig farm then try to run them out of business, not fair.

                                            Been happily living in Brookline for 15 years... and all of a sudden your house is full of BBQ smoke 365 days a year, not so fun.

                                            1. re: StriperGuy

                                              Sure, not so fun, but quite possibly within the scope of what was allowable when you moved in. If you live in an area zoned agricultural, your neighbor may not be keeping pigs when you move in, but they are still entitled to start keeping pigs at any time thereafter.

                                              1. re: LilBrownBat

                                                Uhhh, you're wrong.

                                                This HVAC unit WAS in fact a code violation and the resto essentially admitted as much, but told me to go pound sand.

                                                This was an industrial ROOF unit that they essentially illegally bolted to the side of a building within 4 feet of a residential window. Totally illegal.

                                                But in the 8 months it would have taken to get that sorted out with the city of Boston, I had no place to sleep.

                                        2. re: devilham

                                          That was The Roadhouse which is now Fairstead and Barcelona. The school behind them complained that children were getting sick.

                                          Might have been a good thing because they almost burned the building down.

                                          1. re: Unfoodie

                                            Is it true that's a Hassidic school? I can't think they'd be happy about the smells of smoking pork.

                                    2. re: Bellachefa

                                      That sort of new-to-town NIMBYism is exactly why many rural communities are enacting right-to-farm ordnances.

                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                        The think is, there aren't any homes in that area. It's all commercial/industrial. Or highway. That's why it was such a great location. I'm with Gordough on this. Let's get him to Horn Pond. Gene's AND Fred's coming to Woburn? Heaven!

                                        1. re: Chris VR

                                          Let's get him to Boston. How about where Speeds use to be?

                                          1. re: catsmeow

                                            from a bucolic lake setting right off the highway to a asphalt tractor trailer parking lot? would you want to make that move?

                                            1. re: Bellachefa

                                              I'm not sure what asphalt tractor trailer parking lot you're referring to... I was thinking of the parking area at Horn Pond in Woburn, which I think has the same bucolicity (bucolicness? sounds like a disease of some sort) as where he is now.

                                              You're right that the easy on-easy off highway location is great and I hope he can stay there, but if Wakefield's Selectmen are going to be a bunch of wankers, I hope he doesn't let them jerk him around and can move to a location where he's actually seen as an asset.

                                              EDIT: Whoops, you weren't talking to me. Sorry for the confusion!

                                              1. re: Chris VR

                                                Speed's - Newmarket Square - iconic for fans.

                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                  Not as nice a setting but great for business and more convenient for me. :-)

                                                2. re: Chris VR

                                                  I also think Horn Pond would be perfect and in fact I mentioned this to Carl, the owner of Fred's Franks, one time because he was considering expanding his business by adding another trailer. He told me that the city of Woburn is worse than Wakefield when it comes to granting permits. He siad it gets very "political" there.

                                                  1. re: RoyRon

                                                    I don't think it wise to speak for Carl at this time. this is the internet and a public forum.

                                                    1. re: RoyRon

                                                      Having delivered mail in Woburn for two decades, I can confirm that it is a very political town.

                                          2. any news/update after the town meeting?

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                                            1. re: Karl

                                              Sounds like no dice, from what he's posted on his FB page. But he'll be at Medford's Farmers Market today 3-7pm.

                                            2. So, you want to get really outraged? There are two businesses in Wakefield that had Peddler licenses. (Fred's Frank's and a slush stand that is down by the common, both have been there for many years without incident). With the new law, Fred's was shut down (by the police). The slush stand, which is supposed to move every 2 hours has not moved once and is not being hassled at all. (Rumor is the owner of the slush stand knows someone at town hall). Citizens have called and been told 'the slush stand, is not a concern at this time'. Sounds to me like this was a farce by the town to get rid of Fred's and then go back to not enforcing the law.

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                                              1. re: sfb911

                                                So a slush stand that takes little effort moving every 2 hours is not being forced to move, or having police visits, but a grill stand with 2 green eggs, which is not easy or safe to move every two hours is being targeted and forced to shut down? And the town council told him it was a closed meeting in which I am sure he is not allowed to speak about by order of council.

                                                Something stinks at the lake, and it's no Fred's.

                                                It's a sad world.

                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                  The Globe did an article on Fred's back in May: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regi...

                                                  I wonder if contacting the article's author would get some media pressure on the town of Wakefield to let Fred's remain (or fairly enforce the law and make the slush stand move)? I grew up in that town and sadly, I'm not surprised.

                                                  1. re: Tante

                                                    Definitely needs lots of sunshine shed on this. Wakefield town government, like that of most of the neighboring municipalities, depends on on media ignoring it - suburban municipalities often fester not with big time venality, but with lots of we-cover-for-each-other we-go-along-to-get-along kinds of low-rent corruption.

                                                    1. re: Karl S

                                                      Here's a link to the details of the Selectmen's meeting discussing the issue:


                                                      Worth noting that the blogger who posted this also posted an article back in 2007 title "Fred's Franks Must Go". I suspect he's influential in Wakefield and one of the people who's been putting the pressure on for quite a while, it seems. (http://marksardella.wordpress.com/200...)

                                                      1. re: Tante

                                                        Move over Salem, there's a new witch hunt in town.

                                                2. re: sfb911

                                                  Been watching this thread and it is frustrating to see what appears to be happening here, but Frank *could* hire a lawyer and have not seen that he has and ultimately, why would you want to stay where you are not wanted. There are surely other locations that will keep this business going (or not).

                                                  1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                    I think Carl stated quite clearly he was seeking legal council.

                                                    Are you married Bob? How bout your wife or partner kicks you to the curb and sends you shipping after you spent the last 8 years building a life while embracing the community?

                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                      Luckily, marriage is not the same as business or politics...eh....let me think on that a bit.

                                                      Right, saw he was seeking legal council, but not that he actually hired one. Perhaps I was reading too literally, but later on his Facebook, he said he went to the Selectman's office, etc. as opposed to his lawyer. So I concluded he has not retained one, but I could be wrong.

                                                    2. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                      Mmmmmmm lawyers are expensive. Hot dog carts are not so profitable.