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Faster dishwasher ??

Replacing an 8-year-old KitchenAid because it has gotten really noisy.

I covet a quiet machine.

But kosher cooking has certain constraints. Like when you're cooking ahead for the next 2 - 3 days and need to run it a lot and want each cycle to finish fast. Or precooking Friday evening dinner after work Thursday and want to run a load and have it finish fast so that you can fill it, start it again and go to bed.

Looking at a Miele Futura Dimension Series G5675SCSF because it has a turbo cycle that can wash a load of pots in 40 minutes.

But, has anyone found a dishwasher that offers speed AND quiet without springing for a Miela?

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  1. We looked long and hard when we did our kitchen last year and ended up with a Bosch, which we really enjoyed. In our flat in London, the people also had redone their kitchen recently and went with a Miele. Our verdict is that the Bosch is better. Unfortunately, it needed service a few months ago, which isn't a very good sign but was covered by the warranty.

    1. We have twin Miele Dishwashers in the island of our main kitchen (which replaced KitchenAid) and we love them. They are substantially faster than the KitchenAid or the Hotpoint in the upstairs kitchen.

      1. Adina...
        You might also want to cross post this on the Cookware board.

        1. As far as fast goes, you can't do better than a Hobart commercial unit. We had one in a previous home. Expensive new, but relatively easy to find on the used market. 90-second cycle makes it as fast as you can get. For heavy soiling you can run 2 cycles. As far as Kosher goes, it doesn't get easier. You can buy different trays for meat and dairy (and Pesach) and run a couple of empty cycles between each. It gets insanely hot - 192 degrees - which fully sanitizes (and effectively kashers, at least according to our local sources - your local authority may vary).


          Oh, and it's very loud, but only for 90 seconds at a time.

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          1. re: ferret

            I'm assuming you mean 192 C, since 192 F is not really hot at all.

            1. re: queenscook

              212 F is Boiling, so 192F is HOT
              100 C is Boiling, so 192C would likely be steam, not water

              1. re: bagelman01

                My one caveat is that there is no "dry" cycle; you do get a burst of steam when you open it (not a hot steam, more of an evaporative steam) and if you pull the rack out then evaporation will dry the contents about 90%. You can then place them in a rack for 20 minutes or just give them a quick wipe and put away.

                1. re: ferret

                  Having been in the food business in the past I have had these machines.

                  Unfortunately, they do not meet Adina's need of being QUIET.

                  1. re: bagelman01

                    Thanks. The salesman at PCRichards (local appliance store) assures me that this is the one that's both quiet and fast. (I truly am lazy enough that I'd do one-pot meals and buy cookies for dessert if I had to wash my own pots) It can be quite a lot of pots, bowls and stuff, so I want a shorter wash cycle.. But I do need it to be QUIET. So I guess I'll have to spring for the Miele.

                    1. re: AdinaA

                      PCRichards is all over our areas as well. I do pots in the Miele dishwashers all the time. In fact, as I stated we have twin Mieles in the island of the main kitchen, and unlike many kosher kitchens that may have 2 dishwashers, they are both Fleishige. I use a lot of post and pans, etc.

                      And yes, if necessary I'll hand wash and use steel wool on some, but prefer to load and wash as I cook.

                      And as an aside for those who suggested the Hobart commercial unit.

                      Adina lives in a NYC high Rise. I don't know if it is apartment, co-op or condo, but the chances are that she would not find it easy to have a 230V line put in where the dishwasher would have to be. Most landlords and co-op boards are loathe to approve 220-230 lines into the units as they are afraid that washers and dryers will be installed in the units (against the rules).

                      1. re: bagelman01

                        I'm lucky. I do have a washer and a dryer in my Manhattan apartment bilding. But installing an auxiliary hot water heater for the Hobart would create severe space issues. In addition to the fact that building would have to approve the purchase and might balk at an appliance described as "commercial". They're good with the "home" appliances PCRichards carries.

                        Apartment life has lots of advantages (snow shoveling done by the doorman, not by me. Walk to the Met on Shabbos afternoon.) But you don't have the space or the freedom to just hire a contractor to install whatever you want that you get in the 'burbs.

                        1. re: AdinaA

                          Apartment life as its advantages and disadvantages as you say. But with 4 dogs the ability to just open the doors to the fenced yard and let them run through the acreage sure outweighs a high floor balcony,

                          When the youngest leaves the nest, I hope to again have a NYC Pied-a-terre.

                          In the meantime, daddy gets to plow snow (and jockey 4 cars), vacuum the pool and stoke the fires in the hearths, and grills, pizza oven and smokehouse.............
                          I draw the line at cutting the lawn. Mrs. B is after me to install a caretaker couple in the studio over the garage and give up cleaning, cooking, grocery shopping and driving <VBG>. I'd go along with 3 out of 4, but can't imagine giving up cooking as long as I'm physically able.

                          1. re: bagelman01

                            Yeah, I'm not above hiring a machine to wash the dishes, but I really enjoy cooking.

                          2. re: AdinaA

                            The Hobart I had had an integral heater that boosted the incoming to 192. There's a sanitizing version that does not have a heater.

                      2. re: bagelman01

                        I did mention that in my post, although it's only noisy for a couple of minutes at a time. We have a dead-silent Bosch now and I'd trade in in a heartbeat for the Hobart. I could run 6 or 7 loads though in less than half an hour and have everything put away in far less time than the Bosch takes for a single load.

                        We do a lot of smoking and the racks end up being a bit of a mess. 2 cycles though the Hobart and they were clean. I don't even bother trying to put them in the Bosch.

              2. I agree w/ Ferret, the Hobart Commercial under counter dish/barware washer is excellent. Less than 2 minute cycle, sanitize with hot water or chemical, (different machines), built like a tank, no frills just a powerful, efficent, dependable machine.

                1. I have a Hobart under the counter dishwasher in my kitchen. It has a 90 second cycle and I love it. Several things to know about it before you order on one eBay:

                  The rinse temperature needs to exceed 182 F so you probably will need a booster to get the water that hot. Also the dishes will be almost too hot to touch.

                  The dishes come out wet but dry quickly.

                  There isn't a rack for silverware- or at least I don't know of one. I just put the silverware on the flat rack.

                  It isn't quiet but for 90 seconds you can live with it. Our kitchen is in a great room with the TV. I just start the cycle at the start of the commercials which are SO loud you can hear them over the dishwasher.

                  The racks need to be taken out of the dishwasher. We lift ours on the counter above the dishwasher. So if you have any problems lifting things that might be an issue.

                  It holds every single one of my pots, pans, cookie sheets, and plastics!! The only things that don't go through the dishwasher are special champagne glasses that my mother bought at Steuben Glass. We have a separate glass rack for other wine glasses.

                  The local Hobart dealer will not service it. Actually they told us we could put it on the stoop and they would service it there but not come into our home. We did find another person who services Hobart independently to come and service it for much less than Hobart would charge.

                  We get the detergent and rinse aid at a local restaurant supply store. Don't have to use Hobart products.

                  Talk to your plumber and electrician about how much it will cost to install.

                  We paid full price for a brand new dishwasher (got a good bonus that year!!). To ME it was worth every penny. I have several large (30 plus) parties a year and do a lot of canning, baking and candy making. This makes my life much easier.

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                  1. re: AGM_Cape_Cod

                    There's little difference in plumbing, but it needs a 220V line (ours was above the fuse box in the basement so it was about $250 to install).

                    1. re: AGM_Cape_Cod

                      A 90 second pot cycle. That's astonishing.

                      1. re: AdinaA

                        We joked about only having to buy a single place setting and then washing it and passing it on to the next diner.

                      2. re: AGM_Cape_Cod

                        That is epic.

                        When I buy a house I want to put in a restaurant style pull down dishwasher.