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Jun 10, 2014 05:47 PM

5pm Father's Day Dinner in LT, need recs 60pp all in. Must take res.

So I need a res for Sunday @ 5. I called Kagaya and they're booked up until 7 :(

Need recs for not-so-adventurous parents. Would also prefer to avoid sushi. I'd try b.o.s. but that's way too advanced for my parents.

help me CH, I'm drawing a blank. Kokekoko would be an option...but I'm so so SO against their black plate system.

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  1. Wow. 60 ppl on 4 days notice? That's tough.

    Try Le Ka.

    Maybe Stocking Frame, but they have an odd reservations system.

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    1. re: ipsedixit

      60pp incl. tax + tip, party of 4. no real drinkers in the group.

      I'll check out le ka, I was pretty impressed by them @ gold standard or w/e.

    2. Get a ton of good takeout stuff and hit angel city brewery? Lots of space there

          1. re: ns1

            thanks. alas. i got nuthin'.

        1. Try your luck at Noé Restaurant at the Omni Hotel (next to MOCA). Not on the Chow radar these days, but I've had great food on occasion here.

          They open Sundays at 5PM.

          $45pp gets you a classic 3-course tasting menu.

          Go here then click on their "Noé Wine Prix Fixe Menu" link:

          1. What black plate system are you talking about at Kokekokko?

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            1. re: BacoMan

              Regulars/devotees get served on black plates. The noobs get white plates. The perception is that black plates = better cuts, better service. (I am a "white plater" when I eat here.)

              I don't mind the ichigen no okotowari way of reserving seats at other restaurants, but this particular bit of "Japanese-ness" I just don't like...

              1. re: J.L.

                Oh, interesting. It seems overly theoretical though.

                I went and I was obviously a white plater, but I still found the food to be very good, and satisfying for a fairly cheap price.

                I am not sure I recall seeing anyone with black plates. But why does the thought of someone else possibly getting a bit better service/food because they are a regular bother people? I am sure regulars at any place get better treatment than the non-regulars, don't they?

                1. re: BacoMan

                  >> I am sure regulars at any place get better treatment than the non-regulars, don't they? <<

                  Yep. But there's no need to scream it out to the rest of the dining room with such starkly contrasted plates.

                  Well, it annoys me, anyways.

                  Foodwise: Yeah, even as a white plater, the food's not bad.

                  1. re: J.L.

                    I mean, if no one had told you about this supposed system, would it have affected your dining experience? (Or did the restaurant staff actually tell you this when you were dining there? I guess I could see how that might be sort of offensive.)

                    The food's good regardless. (Though I've never been early enough to get the fabled chicken butt =P)

                    1. re: BacoMan

                      The servers educated me on "the system" on my first visit, when I asked about the black plates others were using.

                      If you're a Stephen Chow fan, you'll remember that the chicken butt is reserved only for Mother-In-Law. :-)

                      1. re: J.L.

                        Hmm, I guess I can see how it might be off-putting if the staff literally took the time to point it out to you. Sucks.

                        Not a Stephen Chow fan. So I guess I should take my mom there and say she is my step mom in order to get some chicken butt?

                  2. re: BacoMan

                    One specific example: special chicken heart only available for black platers. Special chicken heart available first come first serve at shin sen gumi.

                    1. re: ns1

                      Wtf? How did Kevineats becomes a black plater there? Surely he isn't a regular...he almost never eats at the same place twice in one year!

                      1. re: BacoMan

                        how do you know he's a black plater? this is the only review I could find:


                        note: i recognize that special heart is listed here, but other reviewers specifically mention that it is only available for black platers. Who knows what has transpired in the 5 years since KE wrote this review.

                        1. re: ns1

                          Yeah, I was going off his ability to get all the special dishes, off menu stuff, etc...

                          How else could he get it if he isn't a black plater?

                          1. re: BacoMan

                            "I was at Kokekokko about a month ago with a so-called VIP, and had a great experience. The food overall was superb, and I was even able to try some of the "secret" non-menu items.

                            However, the place is well known for its subpar service to the uninitiated, as alkylyou mentioned. I'd try to go with a regular if possible."


                            "I just went to Kokekokko recently with a VIP regular:

                            The special items we got were:
                            • Bonjiri / Tail
                            • Tokujo Hatsu / Special Heart
                            • Seseri / Neck
                            • Kawa / Skin

                            All were very good. I'm told that if you want to order these items, it's best to do so early, as they tend to run out rather quickly. Or, they may just tell you that they ran out because they're saving it."


                            1. re: ns1

                              Ah, guess that explains it.

                              Well, that sucks. I guess I am lucky I still had an ok time there.

                              Why doesn't Kevin still use Chowhound? Too famous now?

                              1. re: BacoMan

                                I suspect he still lurks. I seem to recall someone on the board recently accusing him of getting paid for clicks on his blog (which he denied), so my guess is he's a bit nonplussed.

                                kevinh? If you're out there feel free to comment.

                  3. re: J.L.

                    I agree...I hate that kind of shit.