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This was a new one for me. There's a popular fish stand at the one I go to; usually a line. Today I arrived in line, there were 3 people ahead of me, plus two "Shopping Bags" after the last folks in line. I stood behind the bags. Just as the line moved up to the point where I really needed to move up, I stepped around the bags. Immediately a woman comes over and says "Oh these were my bags", picks them up and sets them down in front of me, kind of wedging herself into that spot as well. I shrugged and didn't say anything. It seems to me that once I'd stepped around them, she should have left them where they were and gotten behind me (though honestly I think the whole idea of saving a space in line is just plain wrong and she shouldn't have done it to begin with).

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  1. People will never stop this kind of behavior. You either stand up for yourself in these situations or not.

    1. Some people are more important than others, dontcha know?

      1. I live in Israel and this is completely normal behaviour in the eyes of most people here. At the grocery store, it's done with carts.

        Drives me NUTS, and I've actually witnessed fights over it in line, but the line-holders seem to have a slight edge.

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        1. re: sailrox

          I've lived in NY and MA. It is common for people in the checkout line at a grocery store to leave their loaded cart for a few minutes while they hurry off to get an item they forgot. Either the shopper in front of the cart or behind it will move it along as the line moves. Only if the absent shopper has not returned by the time the cashier is ready for him/her would the person behind the unattended cart move up and go ahead of it.

          I see nothing wrong with the bags holding a place in line and would not get in front of them unless all the previous line had been served.

          1. re: greygarious

            I get the thing in the grocery store-- Here I would have had to physically pick up her bags and move them along, which seems a bit odd to me.

            1. re: DGresh

              I am quick to criticize the overly-important types but I don't see this as an example. Unless I were physically unable to move the bags up, I would do so without a second thought. I would also intervene if anyone attempted to take them and walk off with them, under the assumption that the actual owner would be returning to the line, not taking off.

              1. re: greygarious

                Ok, I guess that's why I asked! Certainly wouldn't want to call out someone if people generally thought it was ok behavior. I just would never leave my bags in a line; my husband maybe, but not my bags :)

                1. re: greygarious

                  I would intervene if someone attempted to take them but I wouldn't feel comfortable moving them.

            2. re: sailrox

              I was in a grocery store yesterday and took my 3 items up to the only open express line. The cashier was just standing there looking bored. There was a cart with about 10 more items than you should have in express sitting about 5 feet back from the belt. No one ahead of the cart, nobody attending to the cart, nobody anywhere nearby who looked like it was theirs. So I put my stuff on the belt. And the cashier suddenly wakes up and says to me, quite peevishly, "Excuse me, but I'm helping another customer!" I sort of stood back for a second and gave him a puzzled look and who should arrive but a woman and her daughter, each clutching another half dozen items to their chests. They walked by me and dropped their stuff at the front of the belt. The cashier started ringing them through and I just left my stuff and walked out.

              1. re: hal2010

                I would have told the manager first and then walked out.

                1. re: hal2010

                  *started*? Wow. That's ridiculous. What was the other cart for then?

              2. These things are always kinda funny. On some days, I would've smiled and offered a gracious apology before stepping back. On others, I would've been figuring out where to dispose of the body.

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                1. re: MGZ

                  Yeah, that's kind of how i felt. I mean, it would have been weird to stand there behind two shopping bags with a big open space in front of it, right? So I moved. But once I moved I felt like the spot was mine :)

                  1. re: DGresh

                    Sometimes we bring our own clouds. Other times, we're just smiling on a sunny day (or the lady's really pretty).

                    I guess you could always drop some fish scraps in her bag next time, but 'til then, find consolation in having friends to vent to (and/or a daiquiri).

                    1. re: DGresh

                      -------------------

                      These things are always kinda funny. On some days, I would've smiled and offered a gracious apology before stepping back. On others, I would've been figuring out where to dispose of the body.
                      -----------------------

                      MGZ, I am EXACTLY the same way.

                      Makes me break out the old "girl-fight" term, "Careful, I'll cut a bitch..." LOLZ.

                      My local big grocer ran out of ALL hot dog buns yesterday by 6:00pm . I asked customer service to see if they had any in the back. They brought out a small cart of all that were left in the back and by the time I got from customer service back to the bakery section it was like a big ole' Filene's Basement Wedding Dress Sale knock-down drag-out fight by mainly women over the buns.

                      It was good entertainment though. I mean HELLA good.

                      Meanwhile, I bought my hotdog buns...um...elsewhere.

                      As to the OP, I don't see the bags as placeholders alot. Carts on occasion.

                      It's all about etiquette, not entitlement.
                      You're not there as a customer when cashier time comes? Sorry, gone. My time is as important as yours. Be a self-absorbed "It's all about me" c#*t or p*&^k on your own time. Not mine. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

                      Oh-----and I am long on patience and manners, but not when I am held at bay from others who lack them.

                      1. re: DGresh

                        I'm curious, what was this woman doing while not standing in line waiting to get her fish? Shopping in another stall?

                        While I'm cool with a shopping cart being left in line while someone runs back to get something they forget, especially if I get a "do you mind if I go get the potato chips? I completely forgot them for our cookout tonight!", I disagree with a farmers market placeholder of shopping bags. There's little else to do at a farmers market but wait for someone to wait on you - especially at a fishmonger's stall, where they don't have it out for you to bag yourself.

                        1. re: LindaWhit

                          I presume she was shopping at another stall, or perhaps she went off to chat with someone. She was gone about 4-5 minutes or so (at least). I stood in the same place behind the bags while the people in line were waited on, and I only moved up when the last humans were being waited on, as I wanted to be "there" when it was time. She was roughly my age (way beyond mother of young kids who would run off!) and seemed to be alone.

                          1. re: DGresh

                            Yeah, in either case, her shopping bags don't constitute a "Save My Space" holder. You *did* say she immediately came over and said her bags were saving her spot on line - which means she just stepped off the line so as to not queue up like everyone else.

                            So unless she told the person in front of her that she'd be right back, and that person chose not to say anything when the line moved, she just didn't want to stand on line. And she was out of line in shoving back into line. In my opinion.

                            1. re: LindaWhit

                              Around here, we like to say "If you see something, say something". Call the cops! That would embarrass her and teach her a good lesson.

                              1. re: coll

                                Around here, you'd get a citation for wasting the cops' time with a false call.
                                This "save my space" holder is full of entitlement, and no way would I wait behind her bag.

                                1. re: Leonardo

                                  In NY we're sort of skittish about abandoned packages, but guess it could be sort of a regional thing? Around here the cops would take it seriously, which is why I wouldn't really do it.

                                  In case you don't know what I'm talking about
                                  http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/S...

                                2. re: coll

                                  Just like in an airport.

                                  1. re: viperlush

                                    They just shut down our local elementary school yesterday because of something that someone found in a house being cleaned out for sale. This is how we roll around here, always on edge.

                                3. re: LindaWhit

                                  I would have asked (rather loudly), "Whose bags?" If I didn't get a response I'd have moved in front of them.

                          2. re: MGZ

                            I would probably have snarked "I think I prefer the invisible you."

                          3. In Spain, there is often not a formal queue for things. Usual practice is to ask "who is last" and then you know it's your turn next. Generally it works - except on the occasions when some elderly lemon-sucker thinks it fine to push in front simply because you're a foreigner. In which case, I put on a big smile and say "Well, if you're in such a rush..."

                            1. Baffles my mind. When this has happened to me I just let them go ahead. Clearly they think that they are more important than others and it's not worth it to me to challenge that.

                              1. Wait-- what's this "line" of which you speak??

                                When we returned to the US in '11, ChowTeen was flummoxed by ordering in counter places like McD, because she'd spent a decade learning how to navigate the vagaries of getting the attention of the cashier in China.
                                She couldn't figure out why everyone "hangs back" at places without a true line-up system, AND then at places with lines, people either plod along or actually cut and save and whine-- not the surprisingly independent/ democratic/ individual way it was in Beijing.

                                1. In my world, I keep my place in line by standing in line. No other method is fair or valid.

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                                  1. re: Leonardo

                                    I'm with you. If the lady had said "oh, I forgot x, I'll be right back", all would be cool and I'd probably move her bags.

                                    But to just assume? Nah.

                                    1. re: sunshine842

                                      The thing is, the FM is not like the supermarket, where you pay once, and certainly most if not all of us have run back for the bag of hot dog buns or plain yogurt we forgot to get. But she would be shopping at a different vendor, different transaction, so..... she just didn't feel like waiting in line for 4-5 minutes like the rest of us. So I don't even get the "I forgot" thing. But I agree, I'd give her way more of a pass if she asked rather than just leaving her bags at the end of the line.

                                      1. re: DGresh

                                        I've forgotten stuff that I paid for at other vendors....

                                        1. re: sunshine842

                                          I'm still kicking myself at the nut butter I left at a vendor 2 weeks ago. I can't find it anywhere and I know I bought it...

                                        2. re: DGresh

                                          I don't carry my (heavy) purse around at fairs or FMs, just a tote bag containing my wallet. Many times I have put my wallet on the table, after paying, while I put my purchases into my tote, and almost walked off leaving the wallet, or credit card, behind.

                                          She wasn't there when you took your place in the line, so it wasn't like she could ask if you'd mind holding hers. For all you know, the absent shopper realized she forgot to put whatever she bought at the last stall into her bag, or left her wallet there, and went back for it.

                                          1. re: DGresh

                                            Oh, oh,oh, but yes the &^$# it is.

                                            What DGresh? You have seperate rules for Farmers's Market's vs. Grocery Stores? Huh?
                                            No.

                                            Each vendor. Separate transaction. Right?
                                            If not, then it's a single vendor market. EVEN easier then. Just like a grocery store? Right?

                                            Many sound like those that decide to not obide by the white parking lot lines and cut across every lane and wonder why "ZOMG-I got hit by someone actually driving within the correct parking lot lanes" fools that I see all the time.

                                            And I mean weekly.

                                            If I need something I forgot, I get out of line, go get it,l and get back in line again.

                                            Y'all just crackin' me up.

                                            <thumbup>

                                            1. re: jjjrfoodie

                                              I guess here's my logic. If I'm at the grocery store, and there's a line, and as I'm about to get into the line and remember that I forgot something, I go get it. No place holding. If I'm halfway down the line, I (run) and go get it, because otherwise I'd be at the end of the line.

                                              She left her bags at the end of the line.

                                              This lady, who "forgot" something, can go get it, and enter (a different) line, then come back to the end of the fish line, or she can wait in the fish line and then go wait in the other line (which isn't a line at all, in this case). So she's really just not wanting to "waste" the fish line time. Which I think is kinda rude.

                                              1. re: DGresh

                                                I'm with you. And if she missed moving her bags along, that's her problem. No way I would pick up someone else's bags and move them along (unless they had asked me to mind their place in line or I saw some extenuating circumstance such as chasing after a small child or being momentarily distracted). The original behaviour is IMO obnoxious so I wouldn't feel any reason to enable it.

                                                1. re: julesrules

                                                  And if all of us were as "efficient" as she, we would all leave our bags in a neat little line, and the poor schmuck at the end of the line who doesn't do this can move everybody's bags forward!

                                                  1. re: DGresh

                                                    Lol that is the logical extension!

                                                    1. re: julesrules

                                                      It is, seriously.
                                                      Where does it end?

                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                        When the poor schmuck at the end of the line pays for everyone's purchases too, I guess.

                                                    2. re: DGresh

                                                      I'm an avid flea market/farmer's market attendee.

                                                      The scenario you're talking about would depend on how long the person was away from those bags.
                                                      I'd make a decision, based on how busy I am, what the appropriate time would be. If I was tired of waiting then I'd simply step in from of the bags and step to the counter.
                                                      If the person with the bags came up and made a scene then I'd simply ask the person why her time was more valuable than mine and proceed. I wouldn't back down.

                                                    3. re: julesrules

                                                      I was thinking that, too.
                                                      If it's a mom with a baby/small kids, I'll go out of my way to help.
                                                      An entitled arse who thinks their time is more valuable than mine?
                                                      Not so much.

                                            2. re: Leonardo

                                              even DH? (though he never comes with me so I can't really use the method)

                                            3. I'm in the camp that thinks these "place holder" folks think that your time isn't as valuable as theirs.
                                              Sure, it would be great to be as efficient as possible and shop AND hold your place at the very same time.
                                              But if the line starts to move and you aren't there to move your bag or your cart, I'm stepping over it and you've lost your grade school advantage.

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                                              1. re: monavano

                                                If the line moves and you aren't there, you've been gone WAY too long.

                                                1. re: coll

                                                  Exactly.

                                              2. I only act once they have clearly created an externality that I bear the costs of.
                                                If their actions don't result in me waiting longer than I otherwise would have, no problem, though it is still kinda shitty of them to shop and wait simultaneously, but it doesn't directly effect me so at that point I would probably just avoid confrontation if they came back quickly.

                                                However, if they aren't there and the line moves, I'd move past them. If they had a problem I'd tell them that their time is not more valuable than mine, and Monavano's logic would prevail.

                                                1. The answer is the absent place-holding can be ignored without worrying one has been blameworthy etiquette-wise. The place-holder is free to try, but wrong to expect others *ought* to defer to her.

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                                                  1. re: Karl S

                                                    This!
                                                    It's entitled enough to think that other "waiters" will honor such passive aggressive behavior, but to think that you won't get left behind, and that "waiter" will move your shit ahead FOR you, in your absence, is just beyond allowable.

                                                    At that point, you're behind me and behind anyone else who refused to put up with such silliness, and I will stand my ground at that point if you make a fuss.

                                                  2. Yesterday at a farmer's market a farmer was selling his strawberries and lettuce and eggs and frozen chickens and chicken pieces. While he was busy selling to the customer in front of him a woman in her sixties came up behind him and opened his freezer door and was attempting to steal a frozen chicken. The customer he was selling to saw her and said to the farmer: "I think that lady is trying to steal a chicken". He turned around and the woman blithely dropped the chicken and wandered off into the crowd.
                                                    She didn't look like she was starving to death.

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                                                    1. re: Puffin3

                                                      Wow.
                                                      Sad.

                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                        I say "wow" and "sad" too, but for a different reason.

                                                        I would not jump to the assumption that the woman was deliberately trying to steal the chicken. Some degree of senility may have been involved in that she may have been confused enough to think it was okay to open the freezer and examine the chicken as you would in a supermarket, or to a greater degree, where she thought she was in her own kitchen. I'd let the farmer know someone had opened the freezer but not speculate as to why.

                                                        1. re: greygarious

                                                          Interesting story. There's actually a vendor at the market here who expects customers to open up the various coolers looking for what they want. At first is really confused me, but that's how they operate. However, other vendors don't have such a set up so perhaps the lady was confused and then embarrassed.

                                                          Is a drop and run chicken sold at a discount?

                                                          1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                            All the vendors at the farmers markets I go to encourage you to open the coolers and look at stuff, the coolers are on top of tables so you can easily look at the goods inside. Never seen it any other way.

                                                            1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                              This is a good point.
                                                              If the cooler is behind the counter (with a chalkboard or the like, parsing out what's available), then the producer pulls the product out.
                                                              It's easy to tell that this is the set up, IME.
                                                              If the cooler is in the "perusal" area, then yes, open and inspect and pick you pleasure.

                                                              I've seen both, and I shop at farmers market a lot, luckily!

                                                              If it were obvious that the buyer open up coolers to pick their goods, then there's no reason for me to "panic" and throw something back in.

                                                        2. re: Puffin3

                                                          Perhaps the more tactful response would have been, "I believe the woman behind you needs your help." Any implications could be made by the other parties. Not sure at all that I would have presence of mind to be so tactful.

                                                        3. Dgresh, was this in Pleasantville? My husband and I were just commenting yesterday after our trip there how the clientele doesn't live up to the name of the town. Lots of people oblivious to anyone else existing other than themselves....

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                                                          1. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

                                                            I think farmers markets in general now attract a lot of that kind of clientele, even though you think it would be the opposite.

                                                            1. re: coll

                                                              True, especially here in Westchester, anyway... although Ossining's market (and Ossining in general) is pretty much the opposite, very friendly and down to earth, so I try to go there when I can.

                                                              1. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

                                                                Yeah guess I have blinders on, I'm thinking here on the east end of Long Island only.

                                                                1. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

                                                                  ossining is just so much smaller (and only 5 minutes closer) that I tend to go to Pleasantville

                                                              2. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

                                                                Yup Pura-Vida in Pleasantville.

                                                              3. I am surprised at you people! The only polite way to handle it is to use your foot to scoot the place-holding bags forward to hold their owner's place. (You have to use your foot, because your own hands are full, of course.) And if some of their peaches or strawberries get a little mooshed up in the process, well geez, I'm so sorry about that. But at least I held your place in line!

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                                                                1. re: ricepad

                                                                  Excellent!

                                                                  1. re: ricepad

                                                                    ...and if the sole of your shoe juuuust so happens to have remnants of dog-dung or discarded chewing gum, and those gooey remnants juuuust so happen to end up on the offending bags...heh.

                                                                    I like your style, ricepad.

                                                                    1. re: spoonlicker

                                                                      The vendors set-up was such that the chicken lady was obviously attempting to steal the chicken. Maybe she was senile or something.
                                                                      Last year this same farmers market has three vendor have their money stolen. A small group of five or six professional thieves were caught eventually. They hit a few farmer's markets.
                                                                      The 'mo' was all of them would pretend to be buyers at the same time thus causing the vendor to momentarily lose track/sight of their 'money box' behind their counter.
                                                                      Now most vendors keep their money safer.

                                                                  2. Unless the person using the bags as a placeholder were elderly and/or disabled, such that she had taken a seat somewhere nearby because standing was a physical challenge, it's way out of line. In the former circumstance, no problem, of course.

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                                                                    1. re: masha

                                                                      Neither of the above. I'd say a vital 55 or so.

                                                                      1. re: DGresh

                                                                        Somehow that is exactly the person I was picturing...

                                                                      2. re: masha

                                                                        I'd just like to mention that some of us, who are *compromised in some way* may not appear so. I'm 55 and experience complications from auto-immune diseases. But because I color my hair (I like colors!) and am still able to walk, people think I'm younger and therefore more "fit".
                                                                        Things are not always as they appear.

                                                                        1. re: KarenDW

                                                                          That is always a good reminder.

                                                                          1. re: KarenDW

                                                                            Of course we can't assume someone isn't disabled in some way because they don't appear so.
                                                                            But, if you need to step out of line to multi-task so you get the shopping done quicker, do let the person behind or in front of you know what your doing.
                                                                            Moreover, ask if they mind you doing so.
                                                                            I think we agree that if we're told, at least it's some notice and recognition that no one who is actually standing and waiting in the line tacitly agrees to "hold your place" while you shop.
                                                                            The courtesy extends both ways and I think the good folks here are more than happy to assist a mom or disabled person.

                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                              <the good folks here are more than happy to assist a mom or disabled person>

                                                                              Of course AND I always intuitively recognize which of these people may be taking advantage of their circumstance. I was shocked recently with a woman in a wheelchair who slammed into me, trying to get to a ride at Disneyland, without even the slightest 'so sorry'. She was on a mission and to hell with everyone in her way.
                                                                              Not everyone in these categories is courteous.

                                                                              1. re: latindancer

                                                                                I'm laughing recalling my dear stubborn mother.
                                                                                She refused to get a scooter to get around in her independent retirement facility, because practically every ornery SOB in there had one, not even needing one.
                                                                                They just wanted to get to the dining room first and were so rude in the hallways and elevators.
                                                                                Jeez, that pissed her off and *that* was not good for her heart condition.

                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                  Whoopie Goldberg did a little rant about people at Disneyland in wheelchairs and scooters.
                                                                                  I remembering laughing so hard at her stories about people slamming into her and her friends…running over their feet, etc.
                                                                                  Her descriptions of the people weren't too PC but she was 'right on' with her analysis.
                                                                                  'Ornery SOB' or something of the like was discussed.

                                                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                                                    Since my husband's in a wheelchair (although I push him and hopefully don't hit anyone in the process!) I'd love to see that one.

                                                                            2. re: KarenDW

                                                                              I'm 46 and have been disabled since my early twenties, but appear perfectly healthy. Appear.

                                                                          2. Your in the right. If you drop your bag in line. Better hurry your ass back with the item you forgot. This means before the line moves. Or be sent to the back of the line. You lost your space in line. Sorry.

                                                                            1. I thought of this thread the other day, at the farmers market.
                                                                              I was in line and the woman ahead of me wanted to go and grab another apple, so she apologized, ran back to grab the apple and said thank you when she got back to the cashier.
                                                                              Very nice, very thoughtful, and she had a little boy with her... in a Superman cape ;-)

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                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                I would have made an exception for Martha Kent, too!

                                                                              2. If there was any sort of gap between the bags and the last person in line in front of you, that's where I would be standing. If confronted, I would simply reply that I was unaware of the custom of line holding and wish her a good day and turn to face the front of the line.

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                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                  I was just kind of shocked that without a word (other than "these were my bags") she picked them up and plopped them in the 12-18 inches between me and the person in front of me!

                                                                                  1. re: DGresh

                                                                                    I think often with these kinds of questions it's not really a matter of right or wrong, but knowing how to deal with it in the moment (although in this case I suppose there was a bit to talk about ... but people here have asked question not far from "the waiter spat on me ... should i have complained?").

                                                                                    Yeah, it's hard to know what to do at that point since manhandling her bags would be an escalation ... and with that option, or just jumping in front, details like your age/gender/size might factor in ... and verbally insulting/mocking her is best done if you have a certain kind of wit and can read the immediate crowd. What I might have done is to take out my smart phone and taken a picture of her [actually at a farmer's market, i would probably have had a real camera, so that would have been an option too] ... I probably would have added some commentary about what kind of captioning I was going to add to the picture on uploading.

                                                                                    BTW, I agree with the analysis that if you return before the line moves, that a "de minimus" and life goes on as before. But if you are gone while the line advances, your bag at most stays fixed ... I suppose it is nice not to have it "slide" back to the beginning ... that is sort of self-regulating in terms of matching the cost to your actions and ambient conditions.

                                                                                    --------------------

                                                                                    For people in the SF Bay Area: The conflict I most often get into with people is at CHEESEBOARD when they "dispatch" a member of the party to hold a table when they are still 10 people from the front of the line. On occasion I've just sat down with "the tables are for people who have picked up their food already" ... and I can usually go toe to toe with people who make unpleasant comments ... It's usually along the lines of "so do you think you are the most clever person in the line to have thought to grab a table early ... or are you just more rude?" The only time it was a little awkward was when one party had an 80 year old, but we ended up splitting the table [it was the kind of situation where if it was all your group, you would have accomodated that number of people at your table, but usually a stranger wouldnt have crowded in at that point]. Although the 80 yr old was standing in line, so it wasnt a totally preposterous situation.

                                                                                    1. re: psb

                                                                                      I wonder what it would take for places like the one you described (Cheeseboard) to have a table bouncer -- an employee who checks that a person or group have a receipt (or one of those order number placards or whatever) before even allowing them into the seating area. I'm sure people would still try to game the system, but at least there would be an employee to run interference, vs. customers having to deal with the stress of it. I feel ya on that one!

                                                                                      1. re: spoonlicker

                                                                                        I was at a popular lunch eatery in Paris and they had someone lead you from the checkout to a table. No one was allowed to sit down without being led (I assume others were looking out for that). It makes sense. Those who hog a table while waiting end up using the table for much longer, meaning fewer tables overall are available. But as long as people do this, you're kind of an idiot if you don't do it as well.

                                                                                      2. re: psb

                                                                                        Signage helps.
                                                                                        A lot.
                                                                                        There's a place in Eastern Market in D.C. called Market Lunch.
                                                                                        It gets mobbed on weekends- people go crazy for their bluebuck pancakes and other things.
                                                                                        It's a to-do DC thing, as well as a past time for locals.

                                                                                        You DO NOT sit at the communal table until you get your food IN Hand.
                                                                                        Not while you're waiting in line to order at the counter.
                                                                                        Not right after you put your order in.

                                                                                        When you get your food, you sit.

                                                                                        Oh, and no perusing the newspaper at your leisure.

                                                                                        You eat, enjoy, maybe converse a little, then you get your ass out of the seat and make room for the next person.

                                                                                        There are signs everywhere and it's just a well-known meme.

                                                                                        An it works!

                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                          Signs may help more with some problems than others, but they dont mechanically solve the problem ... they arent cognitive failures and a "nudge" isnt quite enough.

                                                                                          CHEESEBOARD also has a sign saying "please return the condiment units" (grated cheese/chilli flakes, special green sauce) to the central area, and people certainly do not do this.

                                                                                          If they added a sign, at most it would give "crowdsourced enforcers" the higher ground, as they could point to it, rather than get into an argument about what the norm is.

                                                                                          I see these kinds of things from places like CHEESEBOARD and TARTINE as an example of the failure of communism in action, as most of the patrons are likely to be communist sympathizers.

                                                                                  2. I think you find assholes everywhere not just a farmers market. I had a similar thing happen to me at TD Bank a week or so ago. There are 3-4 tellers open, one line of people waiting, a teller opens you walk to that teller. Well I'm next in line and the teller to the far right (I'm standing center) and the lady behind me decides she is next in line for the teller on the right, and walks around me to her "window". The teller saw what was happening and looked like she was preparing to tell the lady I was next in line, but the woman was older, perhaps in a rush, whatever the reason I just smiled at the teller and shook my head, no, it's not a problem.

                                                                                    Sorry it happened but such is life. People are assholes at farmers market's, or banks, or pretty much everywhere. You just can't avoid them.

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                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                      Sometimes it's just better to concede and let the jerk go about their business.
                                                                                      Not worth it, unless it's worth it.

                                                                                      I was thinking *again* about this thread at the FM this morning.
                                                                                      The market is held in a school parking lot and although there's ample parking, the market is just so popular that when you go an hour or more after opening, you'll be scrambling for a place to park.
                                                                                      For such an enjoyable and relatively laid back activity (most times for me), you really have to strap on a big set to pull in, park, and pull out!
                                                                                      Once, I saw this poor woman's gorgeous new Lexus SUV absolutely blocked in her parking space by some jackass's sidways pick up truck.
                                                                                      A can opener wouldn't have helped that poor lady get in her car, let alone pull out.
                                                                                      I thought, "this is a farmers market! Is there no decency left?!!"