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The Apple Pan just precipitously increased by 15 cents on most of its items.

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And yet i still do believe that it has quite the inelastic demand if my high school geometry is correct.

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  1. Well it is usually full and there are people waiting for seats, so go figure. I think it is good, but it too expensive for me. I would go there alot more if the bill were more reasonable. A family of four would have difficulty getting out of there for $65-$70 with tax and tip.

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      1. re: bringiton

        The staff is well paid (these aren't teenagers pumping out McDonald's at the minimum wage) and the ingredients are good. Likewise the owners are foregoing the real estate sales potential by keeping their small establishment in a high dollar area. If they moved to the burbs and hired kids the prices and quality would be lower.

          1. re: mc michael

            "Quality Forever" is their motto. I love the pan (especially a combination on rye toast).

            1. re: CastironJim

              For a city that is infamous for tearing down the old and putting up the new every 15 minutes or so the AP represents something worth celebrating, even considering the "outrageous" (sarcasm) 15 cent price hike.

            2. re: mc michael

              can you expound on "ingredients are good"? Tillamook and liquid smoke"?

              or is one literally paying for landowner's unredeemed "real estate sales potential"?

              1. re: TonyC

                or is one literally paying for landowner's unredeemed "real estate sales potential"?
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                Bingo. And they own that property so no worries to them about a landlord increasing their rent ten fold etc.

            3. re: bringiton

              That's incredibly hard to justify then...

              For not much more money you could go somewhere like Plan Check, or even Father's Office.

              They are lucky they're an institution. I don't begrudge them their price increases though. They should increase the prices until people stop coming, and given their reputation people might continue going even if the burgers were $20.

              The place is good, but the options for a $15-$25 range meal are just way too good in LA for a simple burger and fries to compete in that arena seriously to me.

              Idk...maybe I'm just not a burger person though.

              1. re: BacoMan

                agreed, which is why I never bothered going there.

                1. re: ns1

                  ns1, you've never been to apple pan before ????

              1. re: ipsedixit

                Just my annual price increase update.

                I can't remember if you're a fan of the pan or not.

                I guess it's not an issue.

                1. re: kevin

                  Did you expect them to keep their prices the same forever?

                  Do you expect your income (or salary) to remain the same forever? If you do, then that's a *you* problem.

                  1. re: kevin

                    The price of a pound of ground beef has hit $3.55 a pound, a record high even when adjusted for inflation, according to government readings for February. That's up 56% since 2010. The average for round steak is at $5.28, among the highest prices seen in the last 20 years.

                    1. re: wienermobile

                      Shoot, in that case, I guess they could have raised it by 45 cents even.

                      1. re: kevin

                        Langer's has said they must raise their sandwiches around 50 cent each due to the price increase In N Out just went up around 15 cents a burger.

                          1. re: wienermobile

                            ….and believe it or not because of Arby's Smoked Brisket there is now a brisket shortage.
                            "Arby's has managed to create major buzz for its limited-time-only Smokehouse Brisket Sandwich, and apparently the menu item is having a major effect on the brisket economy. TMBBQ's Daniel Vaughn estimates the fast-food chain's 3,300 stores use up "a half million pounds of raw brisket per week" to meet demand for the sandwich, causing a major spike in brisket prices: from roughly $2.50 per pound in early March 2014 to $3.15 per pound by mid-April."

                            1. re: wienermobile

                              Arby's singlehandedly affected or is it effected brisket prices ???????????

                              1. re: kevin

                                Same thing happened to tomato prices when McDonalds added them to their menu many years ago.

                                1. re: wienermobile

                                  Though Apple Pan has never served tomatoes and never will.

                                  1. re: wienermobile

                                    When McDonalds has a cherry pie special, they basically kill the national cherry supply.
                                    That is the reason it is not on the menu for a longer period of time, as it sells very well.

                                    1. re: carter

                                      If China ever got into pastrami, it might make the No 19 at Langer's a meal all unto itself that would rival a night at Urasawa in terms of price and maybe even exclusivity.

                                      1. re: ipsedixit

                                        Ipsedixit, dont repeat that pastrami comment!!!!!!!!

                                2. re: wienermobile

                                  Has anyone tried the Arby's smoked brisket?

                      2. I'm more impressed that you knew what the former prices were. We know they aren't cheap, but those who like the product, really like it.

                          1. Just out of curiosity, how much would a burger, fries and coke cost? I can't get their website to load to check the prices.

                            Thanks

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                            1. re: PaulF

                              Burger about 7.45. Cheese. 50 cents more.

                              Fries 2.75.

                              Soda 1.75

                              Roughly 13 before tax and tip. If I did myrrh correctly.

                              Soda

                              1. re: kevin

                                Thanks Kevin.

                                I was looking at the estimates up thread ranging from 65 - 100 dollars for a family of four and was having trouble picturing that amount. But four burgers, four fries and four drinks with tax and tip are going to get you right up there to 60 something dollars easily. I guess if you add in four pieces of pie, you're getting to a pretty expensive meal for what it is.

                                As an aside -- I like AP and could see our family indulging once in a while. The place I can't wrap my mind around is Smashburger, which is in the same price range and not nearly as good or even as nostalgic as AP. I don't think I have any reason to ever eat in a SB again and the only time I did it the first time is because there aren't that many choices in LA Live that are really quick to eat in before a hockey game.

                                1. re: PaulF

                                  I am always amazed when I get the bill - and this doesn't happen to me at any other place. The prices don't sound that bad when you look at them on the menu but when you get the bill, you just about fall over. If a family of four gets burgers, fries and sodas, and then even splits a couple pieces of pie, you are going to be spending the better part of a Franklin by the time you walk out. The food is good, but there are other places I'd rather spend $75 at. Plus, I hate the way you have to wait in a disorganized mob to get a table and they stares you get from people behind you to gobble down your food and get out in under five minutes.

                            2. Not surprised, inflation is affecting all food prices for everyone.....drought here is especially affecting beef prices.

                              That said, however, there are so many more places with better food & burgers, in a better atmosphere (with alcohol available at least!) for that kind of money. I can't fathom spending that much to feed my family of 4 just for the "nostalgia"....

                              1. So what makes the price increase "precipitous?" Would it have been not precipitous if the increase was a cent per day over a 15 day period? Just giving you shit, Kevin. But, given the lukewarm comments about the burgers, what do you think is the reason for the consistent wait for seats: the burgers or the pies? I like to go for the pies, and I just have a burger if I feel a need for some non-dessert before gorging on the sweet stuff.

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                                1. re: Wayno

                                  I think their pies are possibly the best in LA, it beats out Pie N Burger for me usually as well as Jongewaard's bake n broil.

                                  By "precipitous" I was exaggerating I guess.

                                  But I will say this the Pan does have a pretty inelastic demand so that as they raise their prices the customers clamoring in for a seat will still remain steady.

                                  But at a certain point there will be a drop off like when each burger is say $15 per if it were to rise that high in the next year or so which won't really happen.

                                    1. re: BacoMan

                                      everything is better than Pie Hole, even Philippe's.

                                      No wait, I retract, Pie N Burger might be worse than Pie Hole.

                                      1. re: TonyC

                                        i still have a soft spot for pie n burger.

                                        no peach pie with the whipped cream for you ?????

                                        1. re: kevin

                                          I like the apple pie with crumb top from house of pies. Nice pecan too.

                                        2. re: TonyC

                                          Care to elaborate on holding such a strange opinion?...

                                    2. re: Wayno

                                      .15 isn't percipitous. The problem is the total price you pay to eat there.

                                      1. re: bringiton

                                        It's not the $0.15 by itself.

                                        AP is the Disneyland of restaurants. Every year they raise the price, yet they never seem to lose business.

                                        When I first went to Disneyland in 1998, I paid $28 to get in with the S. Cal discount.

                                        A few weeks ago, I went with my little niece and, with the current S. Cal discount, paid about 350% more for my ticket than I did in 1998.

                                        Adjusted for inflation, it should have been about a 75% increase, or a little over $40. I paid about $90.

                                        The Apple Pan has a pattern of similarly out-of-whack increases. Contrast that with In-N-Out's prices, which are pretty much in line with inflation from the 1950s.

                                        Mr Taster

                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                          Well, businesses should increase their prices until they have the optimum amount of customers coming in. Can't fault them for using their brand name in a capitalist economy can you?

                                          Just don't go to such places and hopefully they will die out eventually.

                                          1. re: BacoMan

                                            My kind of economist!
                                            BM - You da man!

                                          2. re: Mr Taster

                                            You're right but AP has a better burger and better fries than In-N-Out (and I like In-N-Out).

                                      2. I go to Apple Pan, maybe once or twice a year. Always sit in Hector's section. He always remembers what I like. I get a Hickory Burger with grilled onions and iced tea. No dessert and no fries.I am normally alone. Not a budget buster for a solo diner eating what I eat. I love, love, the Apple Pan burger. It is one reason to eat red meat (which I rarely do).