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The Pastrami List 2014

wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 07:38 AM

LA Weekly's 10 best Pastrami Sandwiches in Los Angeles. The battle begins now..,
10. The Hat
9. Johnnie's Culver City
8. The Original Rinaldi's El Segundo
7. Brent's
6. Eastside Market and Italian Deli
5. The Oinkster
4. Jeff's Gourmet Kosher Sausage
3. Smoke City Market
2. Langer's
and
1. Wexler's deli
http://www.laweekly.com/squidink/2014...

 
 
 
 
 
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  1. JAB RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 07:43 AM

    It's ridiculous to have both deli / kosher style and non deli / kosher style on the same list.

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      chrishei RE: JAB Jun 2, 2014 09:06 AM

      I'm ok w/ that. The real issue, for me, is them using this list and the smoked fish one as methods of washing Wexler's Deli's kosher balls. The timing was way too convenient. That being said, I do like the pastrami (and the smoked fish) at Wexler's. That rye bread though, could use some work.

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        jessejames RE: chrishei Jun 2, 2014 09:26 AM

        I agree and good point re the smoked fish list too. This reeks of bullshit "journalism." LA Weekly showing itself to be an advertising flyer and/or a platform for the unqualified.

        Related corroborative note: Wexler's pastrami sandwich doesn't even belong in the top ten period.

        Looking at the photo of the author on her twitter page, she weighs less than the sandwich I had at the Carnegie Deli. You do the math.

        Yes, I have a passion for pastrami and this list shows a passion for bullshit and lacking journalistic integrity.

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          Jase RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 02:39 PM

          Right because someone's appearance is a good criteria to judge their abilities #sarcasm.

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            jessejames RE: Jase Jun 2, 2014 02:43 PM

            Fair point. So is don't trust a skinny chef or pastrami expert.

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            iheartcooking RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 07:35 AM

            I'm super skinny but I eat like a football player. All my fat friends are picky eaters lol

      2. Servorg RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 07:48 AM

        I recently read someplace (on a blog I think) that Brent's will hand cut their pastrami "thick" for you. Do you know if that's true? I've never thought to ask. Definitely a different beast when a good quality pastrami is done in that thicker style cut.

        Here was a nice LA based pastrami article from 2012 http://nowimhungry.com/food-trucks-qu...

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          wienermobile RE: Servorg Jun 2, 2014 07:59 AM

          In my humble opinion Brent's deserved to be near the top. Next time I'm in I will ask for hand cut and see what happens.

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            polldeldiablo RE: Servorg Jun 2, 2014 11:45 AM

            Maybe it was Chowhound :p I read it 2 days ago on the post 'Brent's cabbage soup' from 'Pitcher' about hand cut and extra thick options.

            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6096...

            I too didn't know that and plan to try both soon :p

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            jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 07:50 AM

            What a load of shit.

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              Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 07:57 AM

              "What a load of shit."

              That would be a completely different judging contest.

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                TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 09:35 AM

                seeing OP eat thru the list a few weeks ago, yes, it'd seem there would be loads of it coming out the other end, especially because she did The Hat, Eastside italian and Brent's within 2(?) days.

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                  Servorg RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 09:37 AM

                  The exact opposite effect may actually have taken place...

                  Tony, have you noshed on the pastrami at NY Famous Deli in Eagle Rock?

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                    TonyC RE: Servorg Jun 2, 2014 09:53 AM

                    *sigh*

                    KNEW this going to bite me in the ass terms of losing foodie cred (not that I had any). Was suppose to Saturday, but got a SWMBO veto. Oddly, they choose to open Saturday, but close Sunday.

                    More feedback would be lovely, and h/t to mst3k ( http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4838... )

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                      Servorg RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 10:13 AM

                      If you don't have any foodie cred I am so far in the hole I can't even see daylight at the top of that shaft...and the fact that they don't open on Sunday means that my getting there to sample the pastrami hovers somewhere between improbable and highly unlikely.

              2. wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 08:03 AM

                Has anyone had the Pastrami at Smoke City, if it's anything like the Pastrami at Big Mista BBQ I'm so there.

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                  jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 08:07 AM

                  This is some PR bullshit not passing editorial must(ard).

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                    Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 08:13 AM

                    PR? Pastrami Reuben? Any conversation about pastrami is in "good taste" as far as I'm concerned.

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                      jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 2, 2014 08:22 AM

                      Public relations. Payment for press. Wexlers and window dressing. That's my hunch. Glorified advertising.

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                        Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 08:25 AM

                        I've discovered that my taste buds can cut right through all the payments and glorified advertising without even breaking a sweat (although they do break a drool).

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                          Papuli RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 03:15 PM

                          Do you really think that's how it works?

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                            noahbites RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 03:36 PM

                            You can complain all you want about authors not actually knowing what they're talking about. That's more than fair.

                            The one fact I can assure you of is that the editor of the food section at LA Weekly does not give two shits (not even pastrami-constipated shits) about public relations, nor does she have any interest in being paid off for press.

                            I can go on a huge rant about the flaws of top 10 lists in food journalism, but at no point does that rant devolve into accusations of payment for press.

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                              Servorg RE: noahbites Jun 2, 2014 03:39 PM

                              Hey, don't you know when a food writer/publication doesn't mirror the personal bias of some of those on the Inter Web it can only be explained by an evil conspiracy of payoffs and low down skullduggery?

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                                jessejames RE: noahbites Jun 2, 2014 03:46 PM

                                whatever --- wexlers was number one with this rag before they even opened. there's lots of other kinds of backscratching and "friending" and promoting and tweeting that are different types of incentives. The relationship between the LAW and Wexlers is suspicious. More significantly to this hound, the pastrami is disappointing

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                                  noahbites RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 04:08 PM

                                  Stick with, "the pastrami is disappointing." It is certainly the most compelling part of your argument.

                                  In my opinion, debating the quality of various foods with people who have eaten said foods is the backbone of this board. The quality of the people debating it is what makes this board great.

                                  I kindly encourage you to focus on the food itself and less on speculative accusations.

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                                    jessejames RE: noahbites Jun 2, 2014 04:56 PM

                                    I'm suspicious. That's reasonable. Crap pastrami rated number one. What's a bigger crime than that?

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                                      ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 04:59 PM

                                      getting opinions confused with facts?

                                      ;)

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                                        jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 2, 2014 05:17 PM

                                        facts: it's two artisanal grassfed organic new breed cooks/chefs friending/promoting each other before the article is published; it's repeated LAW asskissing of Wexlers which started before they were opened and now spans three articles; the pastrami sandwich sucks.

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                                          ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 05:21 PM

                                          404 facts not found.

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                                            jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 2, 2014 05:23 PM

                                            in order:

                                            check the relevant twitter pages.

                                            check the three LAW articles

                                            try the sandwich.

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                                              wienermobile RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 05:26 PM

                                              It's Pastramigate all over again….

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                                                jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 05:28 PM

                                                at least we are focused on the important stuff

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                                            TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 05:38 PM

                                            Again, if you don't believe noahbites, Squid Ink's editor solely responsible for publishing that piece today is really one of the few remaining players in the non-pay-for-play food writing game.

                                            Trust this: not even free ramen nor Sichuan fried diced chicken would suffice as bribes, much less some PR freebies. it's ok to drop the mic and let this one die.

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                                              jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 05:41 PM

                                              Feel free. It's a bad article and the author and publication don't deserve praise.

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                                                Papuli RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 06:38 PM

                                                "one of the few remaining players in the non-pay-for-play food writing game." That's not true either, though. Tell me who you think is doing pay for play.

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                                            noahbites RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 05:11 PM

                                            Ha. I haven't actually tried Wexler's yet. Though I'm certainly curious.

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                                            Wayno RE: noahbites Jun 2, 2014 05:45 PM

                                            I haven't yet tried Wexler's either. But I intend to. From what I've read here, the bread is deficient, esp compared to Langer's. What I'm curious about is how the meat alone - just a pure tasting of pastrami with no condiments or bread - would stack up against each other (Langer's v. Wexler's).

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                                              kevin RE: Wayno Jun 2, 2014 05:47 PM

                                              Get some slices of Langer's to go.

                                              Then set up shoppe at Wexler's and get a few slices,

                                              have a slut or two as a palate cleanser.

                                              that's what i'd do.

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                                  cdub RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:56 AM

                                  good pastrami. it's cured and smoked. don't think it's steamed. very smokey. i'd put it towards the list. the one time i had big mista's pastrami, thought smoke city had it beat.

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                                    Tyus4pt8 RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 11:33 AM

                                    I've had it plenty of times and it is absolutely fantastic (though very much a completely different experience from a deli pastrami--much smokier and fattier).

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                                      chrishei RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 11:44 AM

                                      Super peppery & smoked, but was rather dry the one time I had it.

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                                        Jase RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 02:34 PM

                                        I've had it several times and it is very good but tends to lean towards the drier side compared to most. They do hand cut everything so you can request thicker if you want.

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                                          Steve2 in LA RE: wienermobile Jun 5, 2014 12:14 PM

                                          The pastrami at Smoke City is my "go to" when I'm willing to make my own sandwich. (Their "fixin's" leave something to be desired). But when I have good deli mustard, a loaf of unsliced rye and great dill pickles, I'll pick up a pound of their pastrami and go to town. That said, at $17.70 a lb, it's possibly some of the more expensive pastrami going.

                                        2. wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 08:14 AM

                                          Surprised no Greenblatt's.

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                                            Servorg RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 08:17 AM

                                            Have you been to the NY Famous Deli http://www.nyfamousdeli.com/ in Eagle Rock to try their pastrami yet? So much pastrami. So little time (probably due to how much pastrami I've been eating my time is shorter than it would be otherwise).

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                                              cdub RE: Servorg Jun 4, 2014 02:10 PM

                                              tried to go today. out of pastrami at 1pm...

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                                                Servorg RE: cdub Jun 4, 2014 02:12 PM

                                                Hopefully that is NOT what they are famous for...

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                                              jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 08:24 AM

                                              Why would they want the real competition listed? Only the obvious, langers.

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                                                JudiAU RE: wienermobile Jul 14, 2014 01:34 PM

                                                Agreed. I like Greenblats a lot. Better bread than a Wexler.

                                                We were atWexler thus weekend and enjoyed it was the Ruben that was really really good. My four year old kept screaming stop eating all the sauerkraut!!!!

                                              2. wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:01 AM

                                                I have had Wexler's pastrami both at Mezze and Umamicattsen but not a Wexler's Deli in GCM. Can anyone who's had it compare it to the others? The first two were very good but they sure couldn't beat Langer's for me.

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                                                  Ciao Bob RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:25 AM

                                                  I can't speak to the pastrami but the budget and/or publicist are obviously better this go round.

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                                                    jessejames RE: Ciao Bob Jun 2, 2014 09:27 AM

                                                    exactly.

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                                                  selfportrait93 RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:27 AM

                                                  Just wondering about the methodology of picking "the best of...". Is it the opinion of the writer after tasting all of the above or a conclusion after a poll of several diners or some other "scientific" way? Just wondering.

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                                                    TonyC RE: selfportrait93 Jun 2, 2014 09:55 AM

                                                    For this series, it's always chickswithknives eating through a filtered group, then writing about them.

                                                    It's great seeing her literally eat through these on IG. It's a money losing proposition, so at least you know she did it out of love/obsession/OCD/self-hate/world peace.

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                                                      Ciao Bob RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 10:39 AM

                                                      Thanks TC
                                                      But, are you disputing the allegation that, say Wexler's at No. 1, is not pay-to-play and the author means to say it truly deserves that rating?

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                                                        Papuli RE: Ciao Bob Jun 2, 2014 03:17 PM

                                                        Of course he is. Do you really think that's how it works? That she's been paid off?

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                                                      A5 KOBE RE: selfportrait93 Jun 2, 2014 03:46 PM

                                                      Curious about methodology as well as it does seem like the author dismisses other sandwiches at places like Brent's and Langer's such as their reuben offerings. Did the author have the #19 or pastrami on rye like the picture shows? What are the other pastrami sandwiches that did not make the list?

                                                      Did the author include places such as Plan Check, ink.sack, and Gleenblatts or were they simply overlooked?

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                                                        jessejames RE: A5 KOBE Jun 2, 2014 03:52 PM

                                                        she doesn't even know what the #19 is, or the other delis...I know, Greenblatts only been around since 1926.

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                                                      Burger Boy RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:54 AM

                                                      If this is the same as Ummamicatessen then I say it is good@ But you can tell by looking at the rye bread it is sub standard! Langer's Deli has the BOMB rye! Extea Bakery, a commercial outfit does amazing rye also, Extea is the old Pioneer Family! Great breads! To many PR firms and Publicists getting BS placement! Horse Thief BBQ is a great example! That stuff should be called Dog Food BBQ!

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                                                        jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 10:06 AM

                                                        https://twitter.com/ChickswKnives/sta...

                                                        don't piss off people with knives??

                                                        Not calling you a heretic, calling you a ...

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                                                          Mr Taster RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 10:32 AM

                                                          Tony cracks me up (sometimes). Definitely this time.

                                                          When people write about things without having an appreciation (or working knowledge) of the foundation and context of their subject, you get this weird arbitrary mashup.

                                                          Seeing The Hat lumped in with Langer's is laughable-- not because one is superior to the other, but because they're two totally different beasts (that just happen to come from the same type of animal.)

                                                          This is akin to that time Clarissa Wei did conflated Mongolian hotpot with Taiwanese hotpot (and she should, theoretically, know better...)

                                                          Mr Taster

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                                                            TonyC RE: Mr Taster Jun 2, 2014 01:30 PM

                                                            "When people write about things without having an appreciation (or working knowledge) of the foundation and context of their subject..."
                                                            --
                                                            Rachel Narins has been catering, teaching, writing, etc. for a long time. She may not be famous, but to say she has no appreciation for pastrami is insane. She is also a card-carrying Member who has been to Wexler.

                                                            Some people I know still hasn't taken a bite of Wexler's smoked fishes. ;)

                                                            OTOH, The Hat is still disgusting, as is the Oinkster.

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                                                              jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 01:44 PM

                                                              her tweet:

                                                              "DEEPLY amused & biting my (very defensive) tongue over this CHOW reaction thread."

                                                              Tongue -- let's keep another great deli meat out of this LA Weakly (and yes, that pro-Tom Cruise puff piece you did a few weeks back was also BS PR).

                                                              as far as cooking, teaching, writing...looks like the whole new grass fed locally sourced organic such and such friends met and supported each other on the podium...her list shows she's not credible.

                                                              I do agree the lox at wexlers is dynamite.

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                                                                TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 02:13 PM

                                                                that pro-Tom Cruise puff piece you did a few weeks back was also BS PR
                                                                ---
                                                                me? or Rachel? *confused*

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                                                                  jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 02:15 PM

                                                                  LAW

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                                                                    TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 02:18 PM

                                                                    ah, right. was it at least interesting to read? I found it heartening cuz deep down I also have an Napoleonic complex.

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                                                                      jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 02:24 PM

                                                                      Cruise piece came across to me as an advertisement/damage control piece to me...used to think these kind of magazines didn't need to go down that road and could be countercultural...now, it's delayed commercial cultural.

                                                                      RE this BS pastr-ocity of journalism...is it some kind of tell when a writer and the number one ranked subject "follow" each other on social media? are certain food people just exchanging pats on the back and forgetting about actual journalism? Where's Lester Bangs when you need him. He'd be all over this: woody bread and dried out pastrami.

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                                                                        ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 02:33 PM

                                                                        RE this BS pastr-ocity of journalism...is it some kind of tell when a writer and the number one ranked subject "follow" each other on social media?
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                                                                        Food writers following the restaurants they like to eat at. More at 11.

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                                                                          jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 2, 2014 02:41 PM

                                                                          You shouldn't be friends with the subject and expect readers to find your opinions objective.

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                                                                            ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 02:49 PM

                                                                            follow =/= friends

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                                                                              jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 2, 2014 02:51 PM

                                                                              fair enough.

                                                                              also fair enough to laugh at this crappy article based on it's own lack of merit without even considering the biases etc.

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                                                                                ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 2, 2014 02:51 PM

                                                                                no arguments there.

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                                                                Mr Taster RE: TonyC Jun 2, 2014 04:08 PM

                                                                >> Rachel Narins has been catering, teaching, writing, etc. for a long time.

                                                                So has Joanne Weir.
                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/903119

                                                                Mr Taster

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                                                                cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 10:35 AM

                                                                I'm going to call bullshit on this one.

                                                                The mix (and it's one that I really dislike) of places represented here is specifically filtered to offer a mix of pastrami styles.

                                                                You and I agree that the Jewish iteration of pastrami is king. I think we'd both go as far as to say that other idioms of pastrami are even gross. But that's an opinion and perspective.

                                                                To say that the author is just ig'nant because you don't like the places represented is silly.

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                                                                  Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 11:21 AM

                                                                  cacio e pepe,

                                                                  >> To say that the author is just ig'nant because you don't like the places represented is silly.

                                                                  That is not what I said. In fact, I specifically said the list was nonsense, "not because [Langer's] is superior to [The Hat], but because they're two totally different beasts"

                                                                  Rachel Narins' pastrami mashup is akin to a comparison of NY style pizza with Imo's.

                                                                  Someone from St. Louis might be OK with the comparison, but New Yorkers (the ones with the lengthy pedigree, legacy, and tradition of pizzamaking) are going to have a problem with it.

                                                                  It's totally legit to compare Totonno's to Patsy's, for example (or to make it analogous to LA, Vito's with Joe's). It's an apples-to-apples comparison. All things being relatively equal, you can do a meaningful comparison of the relative texture and char of the crusts, the acidity vs. sweetness of the sauces, etc. because they're made in the same tradition.

                                                                  But to compare those pies with Imo's, which is characterized by a saltine-cracker thin crust, highly sugary tomato sauce, and "provel" (aka Italian-style Velveeta which is all but non-existent outside of Missouri, thank Jebus), doesn't lend itself to any sort of telling or meaningful comparison.

                                                                  If Narins had done a comparative list of LA style pastrami- again, pastrami made in the same style and tradition. (i.e. Comparing Johnnie's to The Hat), that's a-ok with me. No chow cred lost on that one.

                                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                                    kevin RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 02:09 PM

                                                                    If she did do that she would have a few different lists because sometimes where's the exact cut-off line ?????

                                                                    for instance, should The Oinskter be in contention with kosher-style pastrami or dirty fast food pastrami or is there a third category that it can be boxed into ??????

                                                                    just saying.

                                                                    but i do get your oranges to apples and apples to apples thesis framework.

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                                                                      Servorg RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 02:18 PM

                                                                      I don't think this whole "comparison" deal is going to be presented as a peer reviewed journal article in which the pastrami under discussion in the LA Weekly is going to get sorted out as "kingdom - phylum - class" with DNA being the defining characteristic to finally get them properly profiled. If it's kosher, if it's not kosher, if it's from the Hat or you have the left overs under your hat on the way home from the pastrami lunch you just departed from.

                                                                      I say get a grip. Taste it and rate/rank it for yourself. And if you like it better then say so. But really, this is (channeling my inner Shakespeare) "much ado about nothing."

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                                                                        kevin RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 02:23 PM

                                                                        I think it's much ado about something.

                                                                        though i do hate those shapskepearean words like "ado", etc.

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                                                                          Servorg RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:29 PM

                                                                          I think it so much doo-doo about pastrami ratings...

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                                                                            kevin RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 02:32 PM

                                                                            doo doo i get.

                                                                            but not "ado" those shapksepearean words rub me the wrong way.

                                                                            no joke.

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                                                                              Servorg RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:37 PM

                                                                              "but not "ado" those shapksepearean words rub me the wrong way."

                                                                              The fault, dear kevin, is not in our stars (or our smoked meat)...But in ourselves

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                                                                                kevin RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 02:55 PM

                                                                                yeah, it's just my stupid tastes.

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                                                                                  Servorg RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 03:10 PM

                                                                                  One last Shakespeare quote that fits this thread very well - "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war" (sorry, kevin - my last ado! as I must be nearly as extinct as a Dodo).

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                                                                          jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 02:39 PM

                                                                          pastrami's a popular topic on this board and with me, and I'm not losing any sleep over some stupid article, but calling it out for what it is: complete bullshit.

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                                                                          cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 02:25 PM

                                                                          Thanks for the lengthy reply, but I'm struggling with it.

                                                                          In my mind:
                                                                          Ignorant = not having "an appreciation (or working knowledge) of the foundation and context of their subject."

                                                                          Sorry. I think you need to own that.

                                                                          I have no idea what your pizza analogy applies to. *If* Imo's was in NYC and not confined to the Midwest. And *if* someone was writing a top 10 list of slices in NYC. And *if* someone put Imo's on that list. Then you might have something. That's not the case here.

                                                                          Look, I think goyisher pastrami is patently disgusting. I don't get it at all. But the common trait in all of Narin's choices is that they are in LA. These are the best, regardless of style, that *she* thinks LA has to offer. Narin's is putting her name next to a list that claims if you go to all 10 of those places then you will get a broad range of the best that LA has to offer in the world of pastrami.

                                                                          I guess I just get sick of the personal attacks on food writers, writ small or large. In this thread alone, Narin's is accused of participating in the foodie equivalent of payola and of being too ignorant to even write on the subject (for shit pay, I might add).

                                                                          I'll say this about the list. I think Johnnies and the Hat are foul. I think Oinkster pastrami is just a failure. I also think the exclusion of Greenblatt's is unfortunate. Placing ordinals on the choices makes the list even worse. I think she *is* guilty of bad taste. I'm with you there.

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                                                                            jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 02:47 PM

                                                                            it's a shitty article...she wrote it. it's a top ten with only ten candidates. she's putting her name out there, it's fair game. Payola is not what's being said - what is being said are that there are other issues/motivations besides what's the top pastrami sandwich that, to me, make it more than just bad taste but intellectually dishonest journalism.

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                                                                              Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 03:24 PM

                                                                              >> I have no idea what your pizza analogy applies to.

                                                                              It could just as easily apply to an article where someone says "BEST PIZZA IN LA" and lists both Vito's and Hollywood Pies. You can draw no meaningful comparisons between the two, because although they're both called "pizza", and they both contain crust, sauce and cheese, they are altogether different foods. To weigh them by the same metric, simply because they can both be found in LA, gives the reader no meaningful comparison with which to compare. (i.e. how do you compare a great cornmeal crust to a great yeast risen crust? They're totally different foods. They have no common traits which you could measure, in order to determine which has the chewier crust, which has the best developed yeast flavor, which has the crispiest texture, etc.)

                                                                              If you want to call the article "DIFFERENT STYLES OF PIZZA TO BE FOUND IN LA", and then proceed to list where one can find exemplary examples of Chicago, NY, LA, etc., well that that's a different story. But to lump Chicago and NY pizza together as "pizza" illustrates a lack of critical thinking, or a lack of knowledge about the history and traditions of each of those types of foods.

                                                                              Mr Taster

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                                                                                cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 03:32 PM

                                                                                Nonsense.

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                                                                                  Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 03:51 PM

                                                                                  Chicago deep dish pizza is, essentially, a cornmeal crust casserole, while New York pizza is essentially a leavened, yeast-risen flatbread with toppings. I've made both at home (Cooks Illustrated recipes, both), and although they use a few common ingredients that come from a common source (Italian American tradition), they are altogether different foods.

                                                                                  In the article, Narins is taking pastrami made in the New York Ashkenazi Jewish tradition, and comparing it equally with this odd phenomenon of LA-goyische pastrami. Different preparation, different presentation, but from a common source.

                                                                                  Not sure what you're calling out as nonsense. I see them as directly analogous.

                                                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                                                    cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 04:39 PM

                                                                                    Like ns1, I'm hitting the road here. I've defended a stranger long enough from claims of dishonesty, shoddy journalism, etc.

                                                                                    You choose to draw fine (and some not-so-fine) distinctions between types of pizza. But that is a choice that you make. Yes, Chicago-style pizza is quite different than Neapolitan style pizza. Imo's (your original comparison) is yet another style of . . . wait for it . . . pizza.

                                                                                    At what point are the distinctions meaningful or meaningless? How tightly conscribed do lists need to be? If we do a top 10 XLB list, shall we limit it to a list of pork filling? Is pork and crab muddling this too much? Should all lists take a cue from Serious Eats, a site that takes a nod (and some employees) from America's Test Kitchen, and put in "Methodology" section?

                                                                                    I'd argue that all of the above are subjective. But you want to know what's I find nonsensical, not just objectionable, from your post.

                                                                                    This: "But to lump Chicago and NY pizza together as "pizza" illustrates a lack of critical thinking, or a lack of knowledge about the history and traditions of each of those types of foods."

                                                                                    Perhaps it's the reader needs to think critically here. Each of the entries has a picture of the sandwich as well as a description of how the sandwich is prepared, how the sandwich is constructed, and from what traditions (if any) the sandwich comes from. Context is provided.

                                                                                    Again, you call out the expertise of the writer based on what? an inclusiveness that you merely don't care for.

                                                                                    I think goyisher pastrami is gross. It's still pastrami.

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                                                                                      jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 04:48 PM

                                                                                      but it isn't Pulitzer prize material here

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                                                                                        Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 04:52 PM

                                                                                        I just read through each one of the restaurant write ups. Shoddy journalism? Really? Thought the piece was pretty entertaining for this little human interest subject. Did the author run over your pet frog while rushing to get to her next pastrami sandwich? Really passing strange that this little LA Weekly piece got you so riled up.

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                                                                                          jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 04:56 PM

                                                                                          maybe I got a little too much time on my hands today! it's not personal, but when your top ten is selected out of ten total and 6/10 stink, and you're the supposed expert, and the reader is a big pastrami fan, the juices flow...best wishes to the writer on the next piece (which I hope isn't corned beef).

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                                                                                        Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 05:25 PM

                                                                                        >> At what point are the distinctions meaningful or meaningless?

                                                                                        In one way, you make my point for me... I alluded to this in one of my early posts, where I said comparing DiFara with Totonno is meaningful, but comparing DiFara with a Oaxan tlayuda is not, even though both are flat breads with sauce and toppings. When you take the history and tradition out of it, your comparative analyses are based on rather arbitrary criteria.

                                                                                        >> I think goyisher pastrami is gross. It's still pastrami.

                                                                                        I never said goyische pastrami wasn't pastrami, nor did I say that Chicago (or Imo's) wasn't pizza. They're all extremely different preparations of some very different foods that have, at some distant point in the past, a common Italian American heritage.

                                                                                        To attempt to draw direct comparisons between very different foods bound together because history has given them the same name, and because they have some distant common ancestor, seems arbitrary at best.

                                                                                        Mr Taster

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                                                                                        ozhead RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 02:14 PM

                                                                                        Like comparing the brisket my New York grandmother made for Passover with a smoked brisket from Texas.

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                                                                                          Mr Taster RE: ozhead Jun 4, 2014 03:06 PM

                                                                                          There you go.

                                                                                          If the headline was "Best 10 brisket dishes" and two of the contenders were Texas BBQ vs. foil braised brisket w/ onions, wouldn't you be left scratching your head at the absurdity of it?

                                                                                          I mean, they're both brisket, what's the problem?

                                                                                          Mr Taster

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                                                                                            ns1 RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 03:14 PM

                                                                                            I mean, they're both brisket, what's the problem?
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                                                                                            nothing. they're both brisket.

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                                                                                              Mr Taster RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 03:18 PM

                                                                                              It makes no sense. They're both brisket, but they're prepared so differently that they're essentially two different foods. You could technically throw some cholent into the mix and it would fit the title of the article, but still be nonsensical within the context of trying to do a side-by-side, ranked evaluation.

                                                                                              Mr Taster

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                                                                                                TonyC RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 03:31 PM

                                                                                                They're both brisket, but they're prepared so differently that they're essentially two different foods
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                                                                                                Except when it's not:
                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9215...
                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9068...
                                                                                                (unless you count the kosher cert)

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                                                                                                jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 03:24 PM

                                                                                                Pastramis brisket too. So's corned beef.

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                                                                                                  Mr Taster RE: jessejames Jun 4, 2014 03:44 PM

                                                                                                  So a food writer who does a ranked listicle of "Best briskets in Los Angeles" and ranks:

                                                                                                  1. Bludso's BBQ brisket
                                                                                                  2. Langer's pastrami
                                                                                                  3. Magee's corned beef
                                                                                                  4. Takosher brisket taco (w/ chili sauce, raisins, and sauerkraut)

                                                                                                  ...how do you do a meaningful analysis between the four? Where's the common ground? There isn't any. The list is a relatively meaningless mashup.

                                                                                                  Now, if you did a list of "Best Jewish Pastrami Sandiwches in LA"... set your ground rules as "pastrami on rye with Gulden's and a pickle", now we're cooking. With criteria narrowed, you can really dig into that.

                                                                                                  With those criteria in mind, consider this hypothetical listicle:

                                                                                                  1. Langer's
                                                                                                  2. Brent's
                                                                                                  3. Greenblatt's
                                                                                                  4. Roll N' Rye
                                                                                                  5. Wexler's
                                                                                                  6. Canter's
                                                                                                  7. Art's
                                                                                                  8. Nate N' Al's
                                                                                                  9. Label's Table
                                                                                                  10. Factor's Famous
                                                                                                  11. Pico Kosher Deli
                                                                                                  12. Izzy's

                                                                                                  With the criteria firmly established, a meaningful methodology is easy to work up.

                                                                                                  Thick/thin cut
                                                                                                  Tenderness/chewiness
                                                                                                  Saltiness
                                                                                                  Quality of seasoning rub
                                                                                                  Depth of smokiness
                                                                                                  Texture of rye
                                                                                                  Flavor of rye
                                                                                                  Pickle soft/crunchy
                                                                                                  Pickle vinegared/lacto
                                                                                                  Pickle quality of seasoning (i.e. too many "treif" seasonings like clove?)

                                                                                                  See? You can do a meaningful cross-evaluation on the Jewish pastrami list, because you're evaluating several of the same types of foods on common traits.

                                                                                                  You can't develop anywhere near as extensive or as meaningful an evaluation for the first wacky pastrami list, because they're really totally different dishes, linked by arbitrary criteria (i.e. "all can be found in LA, and are made from brisket.")

                                                                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                                                                    kevin RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 03:48 PM

                                                                                                    cloves are treif ??????

                                                                                                    what's a listicle ???????

                                                                                                    And numbers 1, 3, and 4 aren't even pastrami.

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                                                                                                      Mr Taster RE: kevin Jun 6, 2014 11:20 PM

                                                                                                      Sorry, I meant "wacky brisket list".

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                                                                                                      Servorg RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 03:49 PM

                                                                                                      Differences can be just as interesting, if not more so, to discuss as similarities. Too similar can be boring at times. It depends on the writer and the way the reader responds to their take on things.

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                                                                                                        ns1 RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 04:30 PM

                                                                                                        rather than try to make sense of it, i just say "the writer has no idea what he's talking about" and move on with my life; you can't please everyone.

                                                                                                        having pastrami/corned beef/brisket co-mingled in a single brisket article doesn't make sense to me, but having various types of pastrami compared on one pastrami list makes perfect sense. YMMV.

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                                                                                                Steve2 in LA RE: Mr Taster Jun 5, 2014 12:24 PM

                                                                                                Pastrami is a method of preserving meat, ergo, any version of pickled, spiced and smoked meat qualifies. This from Wiki: Pastrami (Turkish: pastırma, Romanian: pastramă, Yiddish: פּאַסטראָמע pastróme) is a popular delicatessen meat usually made from beef, and sometimes from pork, mutton or turkey. The raw meat is brined, partially dried, seasoned with various herbs and spices, then smoked and steamed. In the United States, although beef plate is the traditional cut of meat for making pastrami, it is now common to see it made from beef brisket, beef round, and Turkey. Like corned beef, pastrami was originally created as a way to preserve meat before modern refrigeration.

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                                                                                              TonyC RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 03:42 PM

                                                                                              Also not understanding how Joanne Weir's TV show is relevant to Narin's writing/cooking/teaching.

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                                                                                                jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 3, 2014 03:45 PM

                                                                                                I like how this pastrami writer is a "teacher" --- she aint teaching pastrami

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                                                                                                  TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 03:48 PM

                                                                                                  is anyone in LA "teaching" pastrami?

                                                                                                  Oinkster's pastrami was the result of having been "taught" by the master himself -- stuff of urban legends, btw -- and that's far worse than Wexler's.

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                                                                                                  Mr Taster RE: TonyC Jun 3, 2014 03:55 PM

                                                                                                  Just saying that being a teacher and/or being famous doesn't necessarily mean much. (i.e. Joanne Weir, Guy Fieri, Sandra Lee, etc.)

                                                                                                  What does matter is what ends up on the page.

                                                                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                                                                    Mr Taster RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 04:04 PM

                                                                                                    There's a lot of fluff journalism out there, Tony. I ignore most of it, but when the fluff cuts too close to my heart, as Narins did with this thing, I'z jes gots to say something about it.

                                                                                                    Ultimately, if she reads this and takes my advice, all that will happen is that her future articles will be more focused, her analysis of restaurants will be more critical, and her pieces will be better written as a result. As a food blogger, I'd think you'd be on board with that.

                                                                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                                                                iheartcooking RE: cacio e pepe Jun 12, 2014 07:52 AM

                                                                                                I could use some advice distinguishing good pastrami from bad. I mean I know the stuff that resembles cold cuts is bad. But other than that, I've never met pastrami I didn't like. It's salty meat!!

                                                                                                This LA times list sucks because it is not helpful to someone like me. You all have very strong opinions about the places on this top ten and I'm left no better educated on where to get good pastrami and what standard to hold future pastrami.
                                                                                                The best I've had is Katz's in NYC but I'm sure everyone will say it's a tourist spot and therefore not good or whatever.

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                                                                                                  Servorg RE: iheartcooking Jun 12, 2014 08:01 AM

                                                                                                  First question. Which pastrami places from the list that started this thread have you tried the "salty meat crack" at? If you've tried it at more than say 3 places, are you able to rank order them from worst to best?

                                                                                                  If you can't tell or you don't have a favorite then I think your plea about getting advice to distinguish good from bad is doomed to failure since the only one who can tell "good" from "bad" is you.

                                                                                                  And, if you can't tell one from the other as to which you like best, I envy you in some ways as that means wherever you go, there you are (having your favorite salty meat crack).

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                                                                                                    jessejames RE: iheartcooking Jun 12, 2014 09:09 AM

                                                                                                    katz's is super touristy but many pastrami fans would say it's the best. It's not my favorite, but top 5 still.
                                                                                                    Try Langers, Greenblatts, Nate n Als and Labels for starters for deli style pastrami like Katz's (and a range of prices and deli accomodations) and see what you think.

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                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 09:15 AM

                                                                                                      The prices at Katz's have really shot up right now. Katz's Pastrami sandwich is $18.45

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                                                                                                        jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 09:23 AM

                                                                                                        it's more expensive than Carnegie which gives you possibly 3X as much pastrami and katz-kissers (ne good people that prefer katz) aside is better and less touristy for this hound.

                                                                                                        ps photo for you wm

                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                          wienermobile RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 09:49 AM

                                                                                                          Thanks so much . Do you know the current price of that sandwich?

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                                                                                                            jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 09:50 AM

                                                                                                            $17.99, table service.

                                                                                                            http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/24...

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                                                                                                              wienermobile RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 10:16 AM

                                                                                                              It all makes Langer's seem like a bargain.

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                                                                                                                jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                Katz does but not Carnegie...not when you consider it's the size of two langer's sandwiches, at least.

                                                                                                                I like the flavor of Carnegie too, juicy and bit of sweetness but for all that meat it's not too salty that you're cooked afterwards...love langers, katz, Greenblatts but for me this sandwich remains the top dog.

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                                                                                                                  wienermobile RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                  What does Greenblatts's currently charge for their pastrami sandwich?

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                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                    12.95
                                                                                                                    I do overstuffed extra 2.50

                                                                                                                     
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                                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                      ...At that price Greenblatt's is really a good deal

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                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                        Labels is the deal at 8.50 sometimes 7.50 but a notch down in quality. Still 2x as big as langers

                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                        kevin RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                        The greenblatt's pastrami sandwich looks correct to me.

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                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: kevin Jun 12, 2014 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                          true but IMO unlke Langers where I always get the pastrami there's a lot of other good stuff on the menu that tempts me at Greenblatts esp the thanksgiving plates and that juicy dark meat turkey sandwich...the chicken soup also blows away langers.

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                                                                                                                    kevin RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                    Though Langer's is about a fourth the amount of pastrami.

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                                                                                                                      jessejames RE: kevin Jun 12, 2014 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                      Puny pussy California size. Good but too small.

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                                                                                                                        wienermobile RE: kevin Jun 12, 2014 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                        Yes but Langer's is soooooo darn good.

                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 10:53 AM

                                                                                                                          Yes it is! I need to do the overstuffed there next time like greenbkatts. I usually get a side of corned beef hash.

                                                                                                                           
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                                                                                                                ns1 RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                The prices at Katz's have really shot up right now. Katz's Pastrami sandwich is $18.45
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                                                                                                                polldeldiablo RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                Growing up near the ESB in manhattan, I grew up on carnegie which changed numerous times over the years. It was the pastrami which all pastrami compared to 25-35 years ago, then they changed owners/family and the quality was still there but the portion was cut in half literally. Then they increased the portion to normal but decreased the quality and increased the price. Last 2 times I went I'd consider the quality to have dropped like 70% from 30 years ago and the portion/price to be the same counting for inflation. It's sad when you think that Carnegie used to be king and now it's unfortunately considered below Katz. That being said, I used to like Carnegie's back in the day, then I had tried Katz and found it reasonable but not as good as Carnegie back in the day, but then after reading some posts regarding pastrami in NYC and reading Ipsedixit's recommendation of Pastrami Queen I had decided to try it for myself as it's the only one I hadn't tried in NYC. Judging just the pastrami by itself, it was easily the best I had in NYC in recent times, probably not as good as the original Carnegie's but damn close. The downside was everything else and by everything else I mean the location was BFE(UES), the seating area is a joke(maybe 6 tables all cramped) and the decor I believe was renovated in the past 10 years so it had no charm whatsoever. That being said, I go for food, not for ambience and I will go back there for Pastrami again to see if it wasn't a 1 time thing.

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                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: polldeldiablo Jun 12, 2014 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                  id like to try pastrami queen. I've also been to the Carnegie for decades and agree somewhat up and down but up again now. I never liked katz better.

                                                                                                                  I think the gentrification of downtown and harry met sally is behind katz' popularity, and well the sandwiches are good too...

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                                                                                                                    kevin RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                    and so is meg ryan.

                                                                                                                    and that orgasm.

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                                                                                                                      polldeldiablo RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                      No question about the gentrification as when Carnegie was king, Broadway and off/off off Broadway plays were the Manhattan nightlife.

                                                                                                                      Also remember that the location of Kat'z even with the gentrification is far more desirable that Carnegie ever was for tourist purposes. It's just south of Soho, it's near Russ&Daughter's, it's near chinatown and st.marks place. Carnegie is near Columbus circle and Central Park which doesn't get the same kind of traffic.

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                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: polldeldiablo Jun 12, 2014 01:14 PM

                                                                                                                        exactly, but ironically, some folks say that it's Carnegie that's too touristy not Katz's.

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                                                                                                                        lastZZ RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                        Katz's gets a lot more TV exposure. They are on the Travel channel in their eternally repeated shows such as America's manliest sandwiches. Have you ever tried the knockwurst there? Also called a "special" it looks like a really fat frankfurter with lots of seasoning and garlic. You dish some hot sauerkraut on it. Last time I was at Katz's (1995) I had one instead of pastrami. But I grew up in Queens so had my fill of Katz pastrami over the years. Years ago there were many neighborhood Jewish delis as good as Katz's. They were Kosher style same as Katz's although now that Katz will serve meat with cheese in a Reuben they are not kosher style.

                                                                                                                        Which means a deli with meats that are not kosher but other kosher rules are followed such as no shrimp salad on the menu. Or even bacon these days in Jewish owned delis desperate to stay in business! Kosher style also meaning no meat and dairy at the same meal

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                                                                                                                          gr8pimpin RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 08:48 PM

                                                                                                                          The secret item there is the knoblewurst -- I've had a few of these sent to me by a friend and it's awesome!!

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                                                                                                                            lastZZ RE: gr8pimpin Jun 13, 2014 12:34 AM

                                                                                                                            !!! I never had one. It looks like a stronger (mo garlic spices etc) version of the knockwurst plus a bit dried out like hard salami that's been hanging

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                                                                                                                              wienermobile RE: lastZZ Jun 13, 2014 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                              Here's what Katz's Knobleworst sandwich looks like...

                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                               
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                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                                That bread looks atrocious. But I like the meat. I like the hard salamis from Katz.

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                                                                                                                                  polldeldiablo RE: jessejames Jun 13, 2014 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                  My favorite hard salami has and still is probably 2nd avenue deli though their dine in seating area is ridiculous in the sense that even someone small and skinny would have a tough time fitting in the booths. Most of my hard salami experiences were buying the hardest one's available in Zabar's along with bagels at H & H

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                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: polldeldiablo Jun 13, 2014 08:23 PM

                                                                                                                                    I love that. Good taste.

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                                                                                                                                  lastZZ RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 03:13 PM

                                                                                                                                  Thanks! Not what I expected. I figured whole sausage between two rye slices. Instead the sausage is sliced. This looks like it has more umami than pastrami from the same place.

                                                                                                                                  This needs deli mustard and pickles to cut through

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                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                    that looks a lot like a Joe Jost's specialist sandwich although Joe's has way less sausage in that motha fucka.

                                                                                                                                    and cheese, and it's only

                                                                                                                                    about 4 bucks or less at Joe Josts.

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                                                                                                                                      gr8pimpin RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 10:23 PM

                                                                                                                                      It tastes like a giant juicy kosher all beef dog, but meaty texture, a tad more garlicky, no casing yet the outside still got crunchy when we cooked it. I just ate it knife and fork with mustard and kraut.

                                                                                                                                      DELICIOUS!!

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                                                                                                                        Mr Taster RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 02:52 PM

                                                                                                                        If I may reply to my reply...

                                                                                                                        I think the real issue with this, as with many listicles, is that the piece lacks any real methodology to its analysis.
                                                                                                                        Each blurb in the Weekly listicle is a self-contained island, meaningless when applied to the broader context of the whole article.

                                                                                                                        Compare the LAW Top 10 pastrami thing with reviews on Serious Eats blog, where they make a concerted effort to establish hard criteria for their taste testing. See this evaluation of supermarket pepperoni:

                                                                                                                        http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives...

                                                                                                                        "...we are looking for a good balance of heat, spice, salt, and that characteristic spike of acidity. And while slicing your own has its advantages, it can also mean rounds that ooze more than a desirable amount of orange grease. So grease release is a factor and of course the coveted power to cup."

                                                                                                                        Compare that to Narins' stated methodology, such as it is:
                                                                                                                        "Choosing a "best" pastrami was exceptionally difficult." and "For our purposes, we didn't care if it was on a roll or sliced bread, but did judge the quality of the bread."

                                                                                                                        That's it. There is no stated methodology, other than "The best is hard to find, and we don't care what bread it's on, as long as it's quality!"

                                                                                                                        There is no analysis or discussion of what makes for the "best" pastrami, or "quality" bread.

                                                                                                                        She alludes to what makes "the best" in various blorbs, but ultimately we're left with an empty list of self-contained mini reviews rather than a cohesive piece.

                                                                                                                        I know Tony is defending her experience, but ultimately I'm evaluating what I see written on the page.

                                                                                                                        Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                          ns1 RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                          Why can't we just accept "best according to my taste buds"?

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                                                                                                                            jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 02:58 PM

                                                                                                                            because we're not writing articles for la weekly on the 10 best sandwiches in the city that tourists and other folks might actually rely on...wouldn't you be bummed if you were here from east BF, wanted a real pastrami sandwich, and got steered to johnny's or some of the other spots on the list? there's some journalistic responsibility at issue here.

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                                                                                                                              ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                              "because we're not writing articles for la weekly on the 10 best sandwiches in the city that tourists and other folks might actually rely on...wouldn't you be bummed if you were here from east BF, wanted a real pastrami sandwich, and got steered to johnny's or some of the other spots on the list? there's some journalistic responsibility at issue here."
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                                                                                                                              I got pretty mad after I ate at Katz; there is never a guarantee on food because 1) no restaurant bats 1.00 and 2) tastes are subjective. I'm sure some old jewish curmudgeon will read some other LA publication, go to Langer's, buy a #19 and be disgusted.

                                                                                                                              it's just 1 food writer and their opinion. FFS maybe Brent's is #7 on the list because it's out in BFE Northridge.

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                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:15 PM

                                                                                                                                of course never guarantees and I agree nobody bats 1000.

                                                                                                                                what's wrong with calling out this writer on her crappy article? should be expected.

                                                                                                                                ps taster disagrees but I prefer Carnegie in nyc, tho happy to be at katz also.

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                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                  BFE ?????

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                                                                                                                                    Servorg RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...

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                                                                                                                                    Mr Taster RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                    >> some old jewish curmudgeon

                                                                                                                                    Hey, I'm not old! :)

                                                                                                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                  We could.

                                                                                                                                  But then we would not have this philosophical epistemological phonological stick if the ical with your favorite variety type discussion.

                                                                                                                                  And then we'd be bored once again.

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                                                                                                                                    Mr Taster RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                    You know, if they named the article "Top 10 Pastrami Sandwiches that Rachel Narins' Foodie Group Likes the Best", I'd have nothing left to say.

                                                                                                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                                      ns1 RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                      I'm pretty sure that's understood since "best" is subjective. but hey let's keep arguing about it so this post is perpetually at the top.

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                                                                                                                                        cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 03:12 PM

                                                                                                                                        They did. It's called a byline.

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                                                                                                                            carter RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                            While the Hat has its followers, I just cannot understand how it gets placed on any list, as it is just so fatty and greasy.
                                                                                                                            Johnnie's is even worse, just dry and tasteless.
                                                                                                                            As to the other rankings, personal preferences always exist, and this was the list from her, and the PR hacks.

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                                                                                                                              ns1 RE: carter Jun 2, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                              "While the Hat has its followers, I just cannot understand how it gets placed on any list, as it is just so fatty and greasy."

                                                                                                                              cuz sometimes what you want is fat and grease.

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                                                                                                                                cacio e pepe RE: carter Jun 3, 2014 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                For me, the Hat is naaaasty. Just thinking about Johnnies sends me to the latrine.

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                                                                                                                                  BacoMan RE: carter Jun 4, 2014 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                  You know, I hadn't eaten at The Hat in years until last week when my Grandmother wanted to go. I recalled the pastrami being fairly greasy, but this time around I found it significantly less so. It was simply moist, tender, and very tasty for that style of pastrami. It's also the only time I've ever eaten pastrami with horseradish sauce. I found the sandwich strangely crave able in the end.

                                                                                                                                  I can see how it has its followers. And I generally hate chains of almost any kind.

                                                                                                                                  You do know that they dunk the Pastrami in au jus at The Hat though, right? You are not mistaking all the au jus for grease are you?

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                                                                                                                                  sunnyside RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                  Seems to be a disconnect with the Langer's entry. The article says the No. 19 is the runner up but the picture and text erroneously describe the plain pastrami sandwich as the “No. 19”

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                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: sunnyside Jun 2, 2014 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                    all around sloppy work, and what I now expect from LA Weakly....comes across as bits of google mixed with bits of high pro PR blasts ...

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                                                                                                                                      JAB RE: sunnyside Jun 2, 2014 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                      That answers that then. I'd prefer a plain Wexler's to a # 19 from Langer's as well.

                                                                                                                                    2. A5 KOBE RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                      I think I speak for many pastrami lovers in saying that having Oinkster, Smoke City, and Eastside Deli above Brent's is highly offensive.

                                                                                                                                      And what is justification for having places like Greenblatt's or Plan Check not on this list.

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                                                                                                                                        wienermobile RE: A5 KOBE Jun 2, 2014 01:51 PM

                                                                                                                                        Oh my gosh yes to Plan Check's Pastrami Nosh!

                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                          BacoMan RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 01:52 AM

                                                                                                                                          Greenblatt's is so much better than all of these places that it wouldn't be fair to let them compete.

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                                                                                                                                          kevin RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 05:45 PM

                                                                                                                                          wow, original rinaldi's ?????

                                                                                                                                          i like that joint but ….

                                                                                                                                          i found the pastrami meat quite rubbery at eastise, but the meatballs were way better.

                                                                                                                                          jeff's is the closest contender that i've ever tried to languor's but that' only when jeff's was serving the OG style on the chalkboard, which is not to be confused with the pastrami thats on the orgindary menu there.

                                                                                                                                          i like the hat way better than johnnie's. though both are in the dirty fast-food pastrami vein, however they are not exactly fast-food prices.

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                                                                                                                                            BacoMan RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                                            I guess it would just be unfair to let Greenblatt's compete because they're so much better than everywhere else?

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                                                                                                                                              Mr Taster RE: BacoMan Jun 3, 2014 10:11 AM

                                                                                                                                              Echo...

                                                                                                                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9776...

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                                                                                                                                              cacio e pepe RE: wienermobile Jun 2, 2014 09:35 PM

                                                                                                                                              I'll say this:
                                                                                                                                              1. Props to the author for writing about places she actually ate the food at. That's not *always* the case on these boards.
                                                                                                                                              2. We're looking at a 6:4 goyisher to kosher ratio. I respect the work, but I can't abide those results.

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                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                I don't think the author deserves props here.

                                                                                                                                                Did she eat at any other shops for this besides the ultimate "winners?"

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                                                                                                                                                  A5 KOBE RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                  My guess is that it was a predetermined 10 and she just sorted them to her tastes.

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                                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 09:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Then it should be called "top ten out of the ten we had." Begs the question, how were the ten selected? Well, we know Wexlers has friends at LAW. Others window dressing or selected for demographics or what? Author doesn't know what the number 19 is. that's kind of a tell as to expertise.

                                                                                                                                                    This writer/rag has tons of "public defenders" on this thread....good thing pastrami has defenders too!

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                                                                                                                                                      A5 KOBE RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Again, it is purely speculation on my part.

                                                                                                                                                      And I am sure she knows what a number 19 is, just poor editing in a rush to publish?

                                                                                                                                                      Plus, how can you take a publication seriously when all they have is medicinal marijuana and escort ads.

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                                                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I wouldn't be so sure she knows what a 19 is.

                                                                                                                                                        pastrami weed and sex -- you forgot about liquor and rock and roll.

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                                                                                                                                                          Ciao Bob RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                          <<medicinal marijuana and escort ads>>
                                                                                                                                                          Very amusing.
                                                                                                                                                          And Besha Rodell too!

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                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: Ciao Bob Jun 3, 2014 02:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Call me crazy, but I read a couple of her reviews and they were dry and boring and I stopped reading them.

                                                                                                                                                            She made my scrawls sounds half-way decent.

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                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                              artisanal asskissery with knives isn't my kind of read and is off base for a pastrami expose -- sick these folks on red medicine! (sorry porthos!)

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                                                                                                                                                                ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 02:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Did wexler kick your dog or something?

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                                                                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  ha, yeah don't mean to be mean.
                                                                                                                                                                  his lox is great.

                                                                                                                                                                  it's more about the pipeline he has with LAW that is annoying, and he's a business man so I understand it from his end, but the rag and it's list comes off as a joke.

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                                                                                                                                                                    Mr Taster RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I don't believe that LAW is pay-for-play. I just think Wexler's and LAW have a common mutual hipster foodie affinity thing going on. Distasteful? Possibly. Annoying? Sure. But not sinister.

                                                                                                                                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 03:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      not sinister but below the line of actual journalism.

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                                                                                                                                                            Servorg RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 10:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Soon enough I'll be looking for a medical escort (to push my 3 wheel trike to my numerous Dr.'s appointments) and something that will enhance what's left of my rapidly fading memory - so the marijuana idea is out...Changing over from the LA Weekly to AARP Publication undoubtedly.

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                                                                                                                                                              A5 KOBE RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Top 10 diabetic pastrami sandwiches in Los Angeles?

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                                                                                                                                                        cacio e pepe RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                        My point is that many of those kvetching here haven't even covered the 10 that the author did. So many 'hounds chime in about stuff they read, not what they ate. Not pointing any fingers at *anyone*, but you know it happens on this board.

                                                                                                                                                        I don't know this particular, but I do know the author who was running those 30 in 30 articles (ex: 30 burgers in 30 days). You can criticize the choice of the 30 or 10 or whatever that were chosen, but the author actually ate at all those places in a short period of time. She wasn't relying on what other people said or past glory. She based her list on what she consumed around the time of the article. In my world, that's collecting a lot of data and using lots of current data is a great thing.

                                                                                                                                                        The problem for me is in the headlines, and let's remember that authors of articles rarely have much to say about those.

                                                                                                                                                        And what are we talking about here? Look, I don't think Wexler's is #1 or even #2 in the city. But it's damn good and one can make at least an argument for it. It's not like she's saying Izzy's serves the best pastrami in town. Wexler's is fully legit.

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                                                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 10:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                          "Wexler's is fully legit" -- not for a pastrami sandwich, at least my opinion. It's a new shop that has some real kinks to work out and hopefully their pastrami sandwich will be as good as the bagel and lox someday very soon.

                                                                                                                                                          There are spots that have been operating since the 20's (ie Greenblatts) and the 40's (Factors) and others that leave half her list in the dust but weren't even considered...do I think Factors is top ten -- maybe not, but it ranks ahead of many on her list....

                                                                                                                                                          If the problem is in the headlines, then don't have a 'top ten in LA' headline for "LA Weekly"

                                                                                                                                                          A Pastrami crown in LA is really something to crow about, and I've got no problems with Langers wearing it historically, even though I tend to prefer Greenblatts, but at least I know a solid spot is getting some props and someone new to LA or a tourist reading the article won't be steered toward disappointment (as they will be here if they go to wexlers). This is a rinky dink new stand in the grand central market that nobody besides hounds and foodies really know about, and even they are lukewarm on it. Langers probably serves more pastrami sandwiches in a given week than this spot has collectively in its history.

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                                                                                                                                                            JAB RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                            I think your in the minority on this jj.

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                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: JAB Jun 3, 2014 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                              I don't think I am. This top ten list is total bullshit.

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                                                                                                                                                                JAB RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                I meant in reference to Wexler's not being fully legit.

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                                                                                                                                                              Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Last time I had a pastrami sandwich at Factors it was a pretty terrible experience. This was about a year ago, but I don't think I would go again as the ones I've been having at Lenny's far surpass Factors (and that's not saying all that much). I still really enjoy Brent's out in Northridge. It's all but impossible for me to get to Langer's based on their being closed on Sundays. I aim to try Greenblatt's again soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 10:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                im not a huge factors fan either -- just an example of a place that has a bit more knowhow and history than number one...in that hood, go to labels (also not on the list).

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                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  factors was kind of rubbery right ???????

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                                                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    id say it's ok -- their lox is more than ok, quite good. labels is a block away, half the price and better for the meats.

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                                                                                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Factor's used to be great. Unfortunately it's been on a downhill trip the past few years….

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                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        i think it was rubbery the last time i was there.

                                                                                                                                                                        a death knell for pastrami and yet i might just like the joint, slightly, because sometimes you happen to be in the area, etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                          wienermobile RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I feel that the pastrami at Lenny's Deli in Westwood is actually an improvement over Junior's of the last few years.

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                                                                                                                                                                            jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 03:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            juniors was way way too salty for me when I had it last

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                                                                                                                                                                    cacio e pepe RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 10:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Well, you and I are in disagreement with Wexler's. I think it's top tier, though definitively not tops.

                                                                                                                                                                    But you're pretty locked in to hating on this list so I'll let you.

                                                                                                                                                                    Frankly, I wouldn't touch pastrami at 6 of those places.
                                                                                                                                                                    Still, pretty strong work overall.

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                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 3, 2014 11:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I don't have a beef if someone wants to put wexlers in the top ten, hey the new kid on the block...intellectual dishonesty rubs me the wrong way and pastrami is, well, an important subject. I'm pro-good pastrami and proud of LA's many good spots to enjoy it...id be bummed if I were new to town or a tourist and used this list as my guide.

                                                                                                                                                                      If you wouldn't touch 6 of 10 how can u call it strong work

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                                                                                                                                                                        chrishei RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        It's okay man - take a deep breath, go to Shunji, then take another deep breath when the bill comes.

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                                                                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: chrishei Jun 3, 2014 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIC0T4...

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                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            i've never seen that clip nor movie before.

                                                                                                                                                                            i cracked up a little at the end of the clip.

                                                                                                                                                                            i wondered if it's dated or still holds up real welling.

                                                                                                                                                                            And to keep it chowish, what drink was he guzzling at top speed ????

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                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              that would be jack daniels.

                                                                                                                                                                              great film, one of my favorites.

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                                                                                                                                                                            kevin RE: chrishei Jun 3, 2014 02:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            hahaha.

                                                                                                                                                                            hey you might even get lucky and fortunate to have a taste of Shunji's take on pastrami.

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                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              im sure it would be better than 3/4 of the top ten

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                                                                                                                                                                loreeLB RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 09:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Brix at the Shore in Long Beach on 2nd has a pretty good pastrami. I'm not usually a fan as I think it's sometimes too peppery but theirs is good & they griddle it so it has nice crispy ends! Definitely worth a try!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                  JAB RE: loreeLB Jun 3, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Brix is beyond horrible. Except for beer.

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                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: JAB Jun 3, 2014 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    you beat me to it.

                                                                                                                                                                    brix is more of a craft beer bar, everything else there is mere window dressing

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                                                                                                                                                                  lastZZ RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 02:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Lots of well placed cynicism here.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. Delucacheesemonger RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    As l have mentioned before my experience with West coast pastrami, looking at those pictures makes my case very easily.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. sku RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 03:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      I really disliked Wexler's. It's the same stuff they had at Umamicatessen. The pastrami is dry and stiff without much flavor; the bread is just blah. It doesn't hold a candle to Langer's juicy, succulent pastrami and amazing bread. It was sort of sad that Wexler's tried in vain to pay homage to Langer's (Wexler's "MacArthur Park" is a sadly unsuccessful attempt to replicate the Langer's #19).

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                                                                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: sku Jun 3, 2014 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        yes and you can see that in the photo of it...but it's "artisanal" and they are new bff's with the LAW.

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                                                                                                                                                                        ns1 RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I'm out of this thread now; fastest CH thread in recent memory. my final comment: some of you guys take this way too seriously.

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                                                                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          it's just good fun talking about pastrami and it took a terrible article to bring out a lot of passion...bottom line: I just feel let down because our city has such great pastrami and this didn't do it justice by a mile so this hound had to step up.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdIev...

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                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 03:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              mighty mice in this case...im hardly alone

                                                                                                                                                                              pastrami has to be one of the most perfect foods....don't fuck with it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                Servorg RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                One cannot possibly "fuck with" personal taste...no matter what verbiage one brings to the party.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  some bad food writers glean bits and pieces off google, other marketing/online stuff and closed groups of samples, that even their own writing seems so inauthentic as to be devoid of their own personal taste.

                                                                                                                                                                                  This article just reeks "bullshit" and not even personal taste of the writer. when it's that fake, you shouldn't be writing about a subject.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Mr Taster RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Pastrami can do that to a 'hound.

                                                                                                                                                                            Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: Mr Taster Jun 3, 2014 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              woof woof mr t!

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                                                                                                                                                                              JAB RE: ns1 Jun 3, 2014 03:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              But....but....but... we're talking about pastrami here.

                                                                                                                                                                            3. TheOffalo RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              OMGWTFBBQFFSLMFAO

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                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: TheOffalo Jun 3, 2014 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                just wait for the long awaited Asian box review...it's coming.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  A5 KOBE RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  That was easy, took me all but 2 minutes

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Langer's pastrami on rye
                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Brent's black pastrami reuben (grilled sauerkraut)
                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Langer's pastrami reuben
                                                                                                                                                                                  4. Ugly Drum pastrami on rye (plain with mustard)
                                                                                                                                                                                  5. Langer's #19
                                                                                                                                                                                  6. Langer's pastrami and chopped liver
                                                                                                                                                                                  7. Greenblatt's pastrami on rye
                                                                                                                                                                                  8. Wexler's pastrami on rye
                                                                                                                                                                                  9. Plan Check pastrami nosh
                                                                                                                                                                                  10. Capriotti's Cappapastrami

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                                                                                                                                                                                    JAB RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    You're hired.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      kevin RE: JAB Jun 3, 2014 04:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      and fired :)

                                                                                                                                                                                      both no 9 and 10 are no gos.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        A5 KOBE RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        hey 8/10 that is a passing grade..haha

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                                                                                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          pls tell me about that cappriotis number...I walk by that spot on Wilshire all the time...and I finally got up to brents in Northridge...what a gem

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                                                                                                                                                                                            A5 KOBE RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 04:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            It is a poor mans rendition of Langer's #19. I mean, take it for what it is worth. I like the sandwich as a whole, but the pastrami is just meh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              around the corner from the capriottis on Wilshire in bh is that new paninoteca spot....friend had the pastrami...looked good if maybe a bit too well trimmed for my taste...I'm going to check that out next time I go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 05:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                a5, do you like capirotti's pulled turkey sandwich ???? i think it's called the bobby.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wayno RE: kevin Jun 4, 2014 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I hit Capriotti's from time to time b/c it's so close to work. I often get the Bobby, but the turkey is always pretty dry. I prefer the meatball sub. Will try the pastrami next time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: Wayno Jun 4, 2014 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    it's weird that subway is right next door almost, but then again they're not really competing for the same customers. i think.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames RE: kevin Jun 4, 2014 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      used to be quiznos

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Servorg RE: kevin Jun 3, 2014 04:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            The beauty of the choices by A5 is that no one is going to force you, me or anyone else to eat any of them against our will. Just like the LA Weekly selections. So no wucking forries...

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                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: Servorg Jun 3, 2014 04:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              but unlike kobe's, the LAW is relied on by many non-hound members of the general public that are being misled by a list that has magazine cover credibility. Noone's getting hurt, but the public could be served much better....next year they can hire kobe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          cacio e pepe RE: A5 KOBE Jun 3, 2014 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Excellent list. I'll be needing to try Ugly Drum.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Okay NOW I'm out.

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. JAB RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 04:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Wondering if the CwKs are still biting their tongues 177 posts in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: JAB Jun 3, 2014 04:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        the comments on the LAW page weren't far off from here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          JAB RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Could they be that naive?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 05:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            emkay, is that you?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 3, 2014 05:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Ha. Nope!

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                                                                                                                                                                                          nosh RE: wienermobile Jun 3, 2014 08:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Right up there at #1 would be today's hot pastrami at Label's Table on Pico. Huge mound of thin-sliced pastrami that kept falling out from the rye (admittedly more solid-textured in the middle and hard rather than crisp crusts than Langer's), nicely hot with proper ribbons of fat that made it moist and delicious. Maybe the best I've had there. A bit of a line, no parking spaces in the rear, and all tables occupied shortly after 1. I sat at the counter towards the right/rear and a guy sat down a bit after me. He ordered the brisket and liked it -- first timer, read about it being better than Factor's on Yelp (of course I told him about Chowhound). I challenge anyone to find as good and big a pastrami sandwich for $8.50 + tax (counter service, so minimal tip).

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                                                                                                                                                                                            jessejames RE: nosh Jun 3, 2014 09:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            AYCE half sour or full sour if you ask Bruce for a big plate. Nice deli and pastrami

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                                                                                                                                                                                              nosh RE: jessejames Jun 3, 2014 10:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I was going to ask him about the pickles. My sandwich came with a split small pickle on one side and a half of a bigger one on the other. All good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: nosh Jun 3, 2014 10:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I like the half sours. Just ask for a plate of pickles. Then another if u like. Bruce is very accommodating and keeps his demanding customers happy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                                                                              taiwanesesmalleats RE: nosh Jun 4, 2014 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Gave this place a shot on Saturday. Pretty good but the pastrami was saltier than I like, almost to the point of overwhelming the smoke and pepper. I actually preferred my gf's corned beef on rye. Will agree that the value is killer although negated a bit by the tiny side of coleslaw that cost $1.25.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                TonyC RE: nosh Jun 4, 2014 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm in no position to speak but...

                                                                                                                                                                                                Not nearly as good as Jeff's Gourmet when they smoke/brine their own, not as good as Greenblatt's, and with none of the history/fame/I-don't-know-the-proper-word of Nate+Al (which is also thin sliced).

                                                                                                                                                                                                In terms of QPD ratio, it's surely unrivaled at $8.50, but after couple of times of asking for-thick sliced fatty ends, I found no need to return since Kosher Corridor is further than Langer's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                And what is it with jessejames/Mr T & free pickles? How many half-sours can one eat in 1 sitting that you guys need AYCE pickle service?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 4, 2014 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  tony - I tend to agree on the pastrami, but believe their brisket is the one to get. so juicy. and au jus on the side too if you like. I also like the hard salami and other stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  pickles, I can take down two or three whole ones. they are quartered, so a whole plate or so. what can I say I like pickles. also, if it's free, it's for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  their pastrami easily better than most of this dumbass list tho.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 4, 2014 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    pickles, I can take down two or three whole ones. they are quartered, so a whole plate or so. what can I say I like pickles. also, if it's free, it's for me.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    WOW

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      gotta get your veggies

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mr Taster RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 12:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Three full sours with a full pastrami sandwich sounds about right. Particularly if you've ordered fries, it's great to have something vegetal with which to cut the richness of the meat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bite of pastrami, bite or two of pickle. How long do you think you can sustain that patters with one flimsy spear?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          ns1 RE: Mr Taster Jun 4, 2014 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Three full sours with a full pastrami sandwich sounds about right. Particularly if you've ordered fries, it's great to have something vegetal with which to cut the richness of the meat.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          like cole slaw?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Mr Taster RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            On the side, sure! Although cole slaw is fatty, so it doesn't cleanse your palate the way a good briny lacto-fermented pickle does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              TonyC RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 12:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ns1, w/b to the thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              3 full pickles is insane. y'all pregnant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              jj, brisket @ label's well noted. but it seems to come with MAYO? am i hallucinating? did the law change? or was it a customer request?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                ns1 RE: TonyC Jun 4, 2014 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                3 full pickles is insane. y'all pregnant.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                i lol'd

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 12:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah. I fucking cracked up too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And then got disgusted:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mayo with pastrami ????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wienermobile RE: kevin Jun 4, 2014 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Katz’s menu warns that a request for mayonnaise with a pastrami sandwich is made “at your own peril,”

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 4, 2014 02:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    pregnant may be how I look after too much time in one of these delis!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 4, 2014 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mayo no way dude.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    on rye, side of au jus, some horseradish. the onion roll they have there is pretty nice with the brisket too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Being a mayo-phobe, im pretty specific how I want things there and never an issue...they usually ask, mustard? or whatever....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    on the brisket, ask for the juicy part. Bruce knows what I like...one time out of 10 or so I got some grey out dry strips, but they were replaced quickly...usually so damn juicy and tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      nosh RE: jessejames Jun 4, 2014 05:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The guy who sat near me at Label's ordered the brisket and liked it. He said he wished he could order a half pastrami and half brisket -- told him I'd join him the next time and do exactly that! ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: nosh Jun 4, 2014 05:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Been there done that! I like brisket Swiss and hard kosher salami best. Try the au jus

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 5, 2014 10:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kraut works too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: jessejames Jun 4, 2014 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                me too, just give a jar of those suckers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: TonyC Jun 4, 2014 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                most of the delis just keep bringing the half sours and sauerkraut if you happen to ask for more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: kevin Jun 4, 2014 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree. I love those half sours at labels and nate n als. they don't have that kind in lots of the delis including (pretty sure) langers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mr Taster RE: TonyC Jun 4, 2014 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  >> And what is it with jessejames/Mr T & free pickles? How many half-sours can one eat in 1 sitting that you guys need AYCE pickle service?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a full sour guy, btw.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The unlimited pickle tray is just one of those things that's expected to be included in the cost of the sandwich. It just is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How would you feel if they started charging you extra for panchan? Same deal. It's just an expected part of the meal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When people go fucking with custom, it's going to ruffle feathers. Especially when it hits people in the wallet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                littlestevie RE: wienermobile Jun 4, 2014 03:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Following this from afar in lovely SD, Wish we had enough decent pastrami to bitch which one is better. Used to live in LA till about 20 years and still come up to visit mom. I saw Johnnie's on the list and I nearly choked, the only time we would go there was if Tito's was closed and we were already pickled. I don't see any love for Art's out in Studio City, before Brent's came in, it was the deli in the valley. Of course I haven't been there in 20 years but I thought it was better than Greenblatt's which seems to be getting some love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ns1 RE: wienermobile Jun 4, 2014 04:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  btw, for those of you looking for "hat" style pastrami, you should get the pastrami sandwich from Deano's. It's a Philly-hoagie style truck; I have no idea what type of purveyor they have for pastrami, but it's delicious. Not salty, not greasy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  pastrami/pickles/cheese/mustard, $10.50 for a full sandwich (12"?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ciao Bob RE: ns1 Jun 5, 2014 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nice looking hoagie!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks, ns1.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bruin2 RE: wienermobile Jun 5, 2014 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Since no one else appears they want to stick up for Johnnies pastrami on Sepulveda, I will do it. I think they are great; pricey but great. And they have the best chili cheese fries with onions, in LA. I have tried every single one of the ten except Wexlers, and I would get Johnnies over every single one. And as to the different types, if I wanted a kosher style pastrami, personally, I would go to Labels over Langers, though I acknowledge the cult status of Langers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jessejames RE: Bruin2 Jun 5, 2014 10:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've had the pastrami dip at the Adams location. To me it's greasy and good once in a while like an oki dog. I like the kosher style better tho. Seems more like "real food"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jase RE: Bruin2 Jun 5, 2014 10:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I will have to disagree. I'd love to love them. They are within walking distance. In younger years, we used to stop there for late night food on the way back down to OC after jaunts up to Hollywood.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now even with the sauce of nostalgia, it's not even palatable to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          TonyC RE: Bruin2 Jun 6, 2014 09:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Having recently had a decent chat with a Vienna Beef rep, I can say Johnnies sell more Vienna pastrami than any other restaurant/stand/shack/whatever in all of US. They have a guy who dedicates his life just to shaving VB's pastrami and placing it into the jus.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          OTOH, while it may be the king of grease bucket/ fast food pastrami in LA, it is so absolutely below Greenblatt's/Langer's it doesn't belong in the same sentence.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            nosh RE: TonyC Jun 6, 2014 10:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't think the Johnnie's on Sepulveda in Culver City is associated with the one on Adams much further east. Am I mistaken?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jase and TonyC, which are you referring to?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              wienermobile RE: nosh Jun 6, 2014 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They are not associated with each other.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                TonyC RE: nosh Jun 6, 2014 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm pretty sure we're both talking about Sepulveda, CC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This one:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.johnniespastrami.com/JPMen...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                whose pastrami is seen here:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                https://www.google.com/maps/preview/u...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: nosh Jun 6, 2014 02:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i don't think they are related.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  but both suck in my worthless opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  johnnie's reminds me of the hat. but the hat is 100 x times better of course to go along with the pastrami chili cheese fries all the fucking way.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    nosh RE: kevin Jun 6, 2014 04:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was in Pasadena last week fairly close to the Hat. When I asked for directions, was advised to hit Tops instead. (Didn't end up at either.) Any comparison Hat vs. Tops?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A5 KOBE RE: nosh Jun 6, 2014 04:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tops pastrami sucks, worse than the Hat's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And they refuse to make a pastrami reuben. WTF

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gr8pimpin RE: nosh Jun 7, 2014 04:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tops... No thanks!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I go to The Hat in Simi. Chili cheese fry is huge!! Single order is more than 3 normal :-) people can eat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          khh1138 RE: nosh Jun 15, 2014 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You do have to be careful to go to "the original Tops" rather than that other Tops. The original one is better - still nothing compared to homemade, but at least not a disaster. I thought the Hat was awful the one and only time I went, which was in...1991 I think.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jase RE: nosh Jun 7, 2014 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was referring to the Culver City one. I haven't been back in a while but PaulF mentioned there were other items on the menu that was worth it. Just can't remember right now what they are. His tastes and mine tend to align a lot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          PaulF RE: Jase Jun 19, 2014 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When I go to JP on Sepulveda I order a corned beef sandwich on a roll, which I feel is better than the pastrami because the latter can be unpleasantly fatty, with rubber bands of fat. The CB is leaner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If I don't get that, I order something with chili -- either chili fries (great greasy booze mop) or a chili dog. Sometimes I just get a hot dog with mustard, onions and relish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's not a drive across town for the food kind of place. But, as you know, I live in the neighborhood. It's fine for an indulgence once in a while.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Professor RE: PaulF Jun 20, 2014 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good pastrami should be fatty but if the fat is like rubber bands, it's likely because JP doesn't steam it long enough (if they steam it at all).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lean pastrami, though, would be a fail from the outset.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              gr8pimpin RE: The Professor Jun 20, 2014 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That may be my only complaint about Brent's: many times I have had it way too lean, trimmed of almost all the fat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      gr8pimpin RE: Bruin2 Jun 7, 2014 04:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I LOVE JOHNNIES! I just don't think of it as a Jewish style pastrami like Langers. It's awesome, just different. Pastrami dip using shaved fatty yet flavorful meat!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I crave this place often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fries and some awesome pickles... Think I'm going to go there tonight!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      FYI Some Pastrami News: Norm Langer will be appearing on ESPN LA 710 this Friday morning in the 11 o'clock hour to discuss the pastrami wager between Chief Charlie Beck and NYPD Police Commissioner William Bratton. If the Kings win, Bratton will treat Beck to lunch at NYC’s Katz’s Deli. If the Rangers win, Beck will treat Bratton to pastrami at Langer’s Deli.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. polldeldiablo RE: wienermobile Jun 6, 2014 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        No one mentioned this aspect of the list but, is this author effectively saying that the James beard's board has no idea what they are talking about by putting Wexler above Langer's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also as far as people criticizing this article, I personally only take articles about food seriously from publications dedicated to food. Such as being from NYC, I ignored ALL NY times writeups for restaurants. IMO if a publication has a section for food, then their opinion on a restaurant is solely based on 1-2 people as opposed to the peer opinion of everyone from that publication and therefore has less weight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just my 2.1 cents.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rachaeln RE: polldeldiablo Jun 6, 2014 09:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LOL.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jessejames RE: rachaeln Jun 6, 2014 09:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry for the beating you took. Pastrami is all passion. Wishing you well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 7, 2014 09:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Look at JJ being the pacifist!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's a proverbial kumbaya. Group hug people, group hug.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                happybaker RE: TonyC Jun 7, 2014 10:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                <snicker>

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  JAB RE: TonyC Jun 7, 2014 10:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Feel the love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: TonyC Jun 8, 2014 02:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    group hug.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: kevin Jun 8, 2014 02:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Let's try to make it to 300 posts…almost there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kevin RE: wienermobile Jun 8, 2014 02:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ok.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bulavinaka RE: TonyC Jun 8, 2014 03:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ...side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why don't we...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In th words of an unknown Angel Island poet,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "One has no time for friends with such narrow views..."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: rachaeln Jun 8, 2014 02:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    oh, i just realized you were the writer of the list.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ok.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jase RE: polldeldiablo Jun 7, 2014 09:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Damn is that what I was doing wrong all those years ago when I took Jonathan gold seriously even though he didn't write for a publication solely dedicated to food? #sarcasm.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ns1 RE: Jase Jun 7, 2014 10:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You see j.golds following list recently? He must be paid off by half of LA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jase RE: ns1 Jun 7, 2014 07:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        *shrug* years ago when I was just starting to learn about food, he was a big resource. If I had ignored him because he didn't write for a food publication, I would not be as far along in the path of learning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And in general, I find it amusing that if there is disagreement on a subjective topic, then there must be a nefarious reason or character defect.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        polldeldiablo RE: Jase Jun 7, 2014 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There are obviously exceptions but it generally holds true for me, such as there are exceptions to the idea that a ethnic restaurant patroned by people of that ethnicity is generally good such as Yank Sing in San Francisco which has nearly no asian but that's mostly because it's $5-9 per dim sum and is far from chinatown.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jase RE: polldeldiablo Jun 7, 2014 07:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd rather have one or two solid knowledgeable people whose tastes align with mine instead of a large quantity of herd mentality who happen to have a popular stamp of approval, regardless of medium.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I also find it a ludicrous idea in general principle that a restaurant will be good because its full of people of that ethnicity.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      andytseng RE: wienermobile Jun 6, 2014 11:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just curious... Does anyone know what

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Some of the best around is being made in ugly drums by Korean-Americans"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      is in reference to? I always wondered if there could be some interesting takes on pastrami with different spices, smokes, etc...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JAB RE: andytseng Jun 7, 2014 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        They've done some pop ups at Mendicino Farms. I described it as the love child of Langer's and Bludso's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Servorg RE: JAB Jun 7, 2014 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps, more accurately, the "love handles" child of those two dandy randy places...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            andytseng RE: JAB Jun 7, 2014 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought that it might be a reference to Ugly Drum, but the guys that make the pastrami definitely are not Korean American. But I guess the chef at mendo might be?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JAB RE: andytseng Jun 7, 2014 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Right you are. Hmmm

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                wienermobile RE: JAB Jun 7, 2014 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Photos from the Ugly Drum Pop Up at Mendocino Farms. I hope they return.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kevin RE: wienermobile Jun 8, 2014 02:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          my bad. i thought we were already at about 298 or 299.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just for a comparison here is Yelp's current best in LA Pastrami…but Brent's & Greenblatt's are no where to be found.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Langer's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. East side Italian Market and Deli
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. New York Famous Deli
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            4. Lable's Table
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            5. Johnny's Culver City
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            6. Canter's ?????
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            7. Oki Dog
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            8. The Oinkster
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            9. Wexler's Deli GCM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Steve2 in LA RE: wienermobile Jun 9, 2014 12:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not really responding, just trying to help Kevin realize his dream of 300 pastrami related posts. (Still 25 short, sorry kev)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                nosh RE: Steve2 in LA Jun 9, 2014 01:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                With the thread barely a week old, I predict 400 easy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ns1 RE: wienermobile Jun 9, 2014 02:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I stand by my statement, Brent's isn't highly rated because it's in BFE Northridge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Servorg RE: ns1 Jun 9, 2014 02:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sound like a pyramid scheme of some type.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wienermobile RE: ns1 Jun 9, 2014 02:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What does BEF mean?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 9, 2014 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Beyond Excellent Food?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mr Taster RE: wienermobile Jun 9, 2014 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here ya go, kev :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9776...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        polldeldiablo RE: ns1 Jun 11, 2014 10:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Definitely agree as Rocio's Mole de los Dioses would probably be much more talked about if it was in beverly hills/Culver city.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BacoMan RE: polldeldiablo Jun 11, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Probably true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have yet to go, because it's incredibly difficult to get out there. It's in just about the worst possible location it seems like.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I need someone to keep reminding me about it... and I am willing to drive to places. So if I have trouble going out there, I imagine not too many people in the LA food scene are.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      300!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        cacio e pepe RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As much as I like the flavor (though not so much the texture) of Wexler's Pastrami, I do hate the preciousness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        First time I went there, they ran our of rye. Okay. Fine. I think it was their first week. They've been better in the meantime, but I was able to go earlier those times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yesterday, they were out of pastrami. At 1:50ish. That's pretty unacceptable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Look, I get BBQ running out. It's a product that is best consumed fresh that day. But we're talking about a cured and preserved meat product. The very idea of the pastrami process was to increase the shelf life of the meat. There is no reason for this to happen unless the proprietor wants to artificially keep demand higher than supply. I'd say the brother's gotta get his sh*t together, but it all seems like a choice Wexler is making to keep that buzz going.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My idea was to do a Louis CK style bang-bang with Wexler's followed immediately by Langer's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I consoled myself with a Belcampo burger instead (gotta say that clove sauce/ketchup is growing on me). The Langer's Hot Pastrami sandwich was as good as ever, which is to say perfect. A happy ending after all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 12, 2014 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          when you run out of shit, you also stretch the product with puny sandwiches for extra cash...I couldn't agree more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And CEP, big Louis CK bang-bang fan here too -- nice job! I'm sort of feeling sushi/Mexican today...bang bang can be an upcoming post for u!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cacio e pepe RE: jessejames Jun 12, 2014 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can see a Kiriko ---> Tacos Punta Cabras combo as pretty enticing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jul 1, 2014 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              CEP -- this sounds like a good play now after trying TPC. But could be room for a seafood bang bang bang, like a few dozen oysters at santa monica seafood afterwards?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                cacio e pepe RE: jessejames Jul 1, 2014 11:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, man. That's outta my league! I thought I had an accordion for a gut, but bangX3 would break me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            lastZZ RE: cacio e pepe Jun 12, 2014 02:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cacio e pepe---
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The situation might be that he does not have a large enough walk in to make double the amount of pastrami. That really hot place in Toronto for a while, Caplansky's. He used to run out when he first started out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You would think a restauranteur is more concerned with selling a lot more product (equals profit) than creating a scarcity buzz

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: lastZZ Jun 12, 2014 02:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              All buzz no beef!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              misterdudeguy RE: cacio e pepe Jun 12, 2014 04:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1) i tried to have a belcampo cheeseburger with a wexler's pastrami dessert, but by the time i had my burger, the line at wexler's was way too long. not surprised they sell out. i wish i had done it the other way 'round when the line at wexler's was small/absent.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2) the ketchup at belcampo is revolting and ruins the excellent burger if you put any on it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3) i feel really fortunate to live in los angeles, where a coterie of snidely whiplashes (whiplashi?) not only own and cook in restaurants, but also work in food media to conspire to make consumers miserable.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              thank god they have nothing better to do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: misterdudeguy Jun 12, 2014 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                coterie of snidely whiplashes ?????????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Can someone translate this, please...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  cacio e pepe RE: kevin Jun 12, 2014 07:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Kevin, it's a Rocky and Bullwinkle thing. I think MDG was attempting to be clever and pulled something.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am surprised that Wexler's is selling out. Running out of bread, I can begrudgingly understand. Running out of a cured meat? No. Especially when said meat is what the place is building its brand on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And I hated that clove sauce the first time I had it. But as long as I don't consider it ketchup, it's oddly growing on me. I can't explain it. It's a forbidden love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    misterdudeguy RE: cacio e pepe Jun 12, 2014 08:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    it's cool you like that "clove sauce". i sure don't. look, see? the world didn't just end. i don't think there's any vast conspiracy at work, either. well, i can only speak for moi...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ain't it great people like different things?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    like, maybe, how some people like some pastrami, and other people like other pastrami?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    myself, i don't find wexler's running out of pastrami any odder than bbq joints running out of stuff. that's happened at some of the best bbq joints i've been to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    let's see, and, i was at a restaurant the other day, and they had run out of a bunch of stuff on the menu. yeah, it kinda stinks, but it doesn't seem uncommon to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cacio e pepe RE: misterdudeguy Jun 13, 2014 09:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You're of course entitled to your opinion. Of course the world won't end. And I'm not sure what you're talking about re: pastrami considering I've backed Wexler's product on this thread and I've backed the inclusion of goyisher pastrami in Narins's list, despite my personal distaste for that iteration if pastrami.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And of course restaurants run out of items. Not uncommon at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wexler's is the first purported delicatessen I've seen in a lifetime of eating at delicatessens that runs out of it's signature product pretty much daily and at such an early hour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BBQ makes sense because it doesn't keep. Pastrami by its nature is meant to keep. Sorry, but if a deli is running out of their signature item on the daily then it's either because they can't figure out how to operate their business at proper capacity or they are happy to create a buzz. Despite what I find to be a lovely product, this is a legitimate complaint about Wexler's as a business. A complaint that directly affects the ability to enjoy their food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      See Dominique Ansel's Cronut for another example of either an inability or lack of desire to scale to meet demand.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You can continue to take a condescending tone, but I think you'll find you're standing in a ditch.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        misterdudeguy RE: cacio e pepe Jun 13, 2014 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i'm sorry, but since smoking and curing are both methods used for preservation, it's not clear to me why smoked meats don't keep but pastrami does. smoked meats, in my experience, can be held -- if done properly, of course -- with little or no loss in quality.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        me, i find it condescending to ascribe motivations to people i don't know. why is it impossible to imagine wexler simply doesn't have the ability to make enough pastrami to keep up with demand? why would this make anyone angry? frustrated and disappointed because they can't taste the food, sure. but angry?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        running out of foods is common in restaurants; isn't that just a fact?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        don't really understand the anger towards wexler, or, for that matter, me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        maybe i'm not getting enough oxygen here in the ditch.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          cacio e pepe RE: misterdudeguy Jun 13, 2014 09:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You might not be getting enough oxygen. Don't know.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Couple of points:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There isn't a serious Texas BBQ establishment that would agree with your take on smoked brisket. You're correct that smoking can be part or a preservation process, but the way brisket is prepared does not in fact preserve it for long term keeping. The smoking is for flavor, not preservation. What you're advocating is akin to serving a steak a day after it was cooked. Sure, it hasn't spoiled, but the product has fundamentally changed. There are some things that can and are done with leftover brisket, but it's unlikely to be served straight up. So you're wrong on that count.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Second, how ironic that you think it condescending to ascribe motivations to people you don't know, yet you're ascribing emotions to me, who you don't know. I'm not at all angry. Again, I've been to Wexler's half a dozen times since it's opened. Obviously, I like what they're doing though it's partly just an academic exercise. What I dislike is Wexler's failure to deliver product consistently. You're right. It's possible he just can't do it. That's bad. There are a lot if possibilities as to why Wexler's isn't getting it done, but he isn't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          However, there have been a number of precious, hype-heavy restaurants, bakeries, etc, that thrive on the hype that limited supply generates. Wexler's seems to be operating in that mold. I don't like it. That's my call.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And sure. Running out of food is common. Like, Plan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Check runs out of beef patties all the time. For awhile there, Shunji was running out of rice at like 7PM. And remember when Zankou was running out of chicken before 4 o'clock? Oh. Right. That never happened. Point being, 86ing a dish that sold out is common. Selling out of your primary product on the daily before lunch is really over is at best amateurish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not angry. Just calling it like I see it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            misterdudeguy RE: cacio e pepe Jun 13, 2014 10:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            in my opinion, i feel differently about how mr. wexler acts and runs his restaurant than you do.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            in my opinion, i feel differently about bbq and pastrami than you do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            in my opinion, no one has written any facts here to persuade me otherwise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i apologize if you feel i've put words in your mouth.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cacio e pepe RE: misterdudeguy Jun 13, 2014 11:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think we've established that our opinions about Wexler's are different. We can bump that into fact column.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              May you continue to enjoy day old BBQ brisket.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              May you one day eat the pastrami you are so vehemently defending. It ain't half bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                misterdudeguy RE: cacio e pepe Jun 14, 2014 05:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thank you for the kind words.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i hope one day mr. wexler and his ilk stop torturing you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. PaulF RE: wienermobile Jun 12, 2014 08:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was thinking of making a list of my favorite fruits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So far I have:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1) Granny Smith
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2) Fuji
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3) Red Delicious
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              4) Jonathan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              5) McIntosh
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6) Braeburn

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was going to include Valencias and Navels ... but figured some would say that's apples and oranges.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                From Yahoo Travel today. The eight best sandwitches in America. Guess what was #1?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What: Hand-Cut Pastrami on Rye

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Where: Langer’s Delicatessen, Los Angeles

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                “This is my benchmark for all great sandwiches. The country’s best house-made pastrami combined with the country’s best rye bread. Order it hand-cut with a schmear of some deli mustard, and leave it be. With a side of extra-crispy fries and three ice teas, this is my favorite meal in the world. It’s simplicity at its finest, and in a world of over-stuffed, over-complicated sandwiches, Langer’s keeps it real with nothing but craftsmanship, history, and a dab of mustard.”
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                https://www.yahoo.com/travel/the-8-be...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  once again wm, nice photo and im ready for lunch

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JAB RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 09:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's been out for about a week. He lost me at house-made.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cacio e pepe RE: JAB Jun 13, 2014 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      True. Not really housemade, which is why Wexler's is much more ambitious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Still, Langer's does some serious magic with the pastrami they get. They put a ton of love into it, that's for sure. It's perfect!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JAB RE: cacio e pepe Jun 13, 2014 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        No doubt. I'm just kvetching about the inaccurate "journalism".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jessejames RE: cacio e pepe Jun 13, 2014 10:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          im not seeing the big deal if the pastrami is made under one roof or another. sounds like there's not enough room under Wexler's own roof and maybe some closely supervised and directed contracting would be helpful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          further, lots of bad food is "house made" -- and I'm not saying Wexler's pastrami is bad, but it's not great and it has a long way to go to be a juicy consistent product...those tough slabs in the photo are exactly what I got. Frankly and I could be wrong, but does it appear that it was cut with the grain of the meat too making it extra stringy and tough?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cacio e pepe RE: jessejames Jun 13, 2014 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree. It's about what hits the plate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Much respect for the process Wexler's goes through and I know they use more ethical meat (my reckoning).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But Langer's six ways till
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sunday.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              TonyC RE: jessejames Jun 13, 2014 12:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              just tell me you're not excited by pickled herring in cream sauce.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I dare you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: TonyC Jun 13, 2014 01:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I really liked the sturgeon and lox and hope he does sable. pickled herring not my bag...I guess it's better than ethical, hormone free gefilte fish tho!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lastZZ RE: TonyC Jun 13, 2014 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  pickled herring in cream sauce.... Delicious. It's an umami love in. Eaten with toasted bye bread that is buttered or has olive oil scattered on it. Some pickles and tomato on the side are good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pastrami umami.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: TonyC Jun 13, 2014 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'm excited though more about the sable possibly or the smoked sturgeon or BBQ cod.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kevin RE: cacio e pepe Jun 13, 2014 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  yeah, if i'm not mistaken Langer's gets its pastrami goods from the same purveyor that supplies other good delis around town, but it's something in the way that Langer's steams that shit to make it quite sui generis.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ns1 RE: kevin Jun 13, 2014 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "same purveyor" = RC provisions in Burbank, right across from the Costco.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kevin RE: ns1 Jun 13, 2014 03:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      there you go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      yeah, i couldn't remember the name.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jessejames RE: kevin Jun 13, 2014 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        you guys may be on to something...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.rcprovision.com/products/p...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wienermobile RE: ns1 Jun 13, 2014 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From Norm Langer "We have been getting our corned beef and pastrami cured and smoked from the same local supplier in Burbank for some 40+ years. The secret is what we do with it after we get it... the pastrami comes in two-to-three pound chunks which are then steamed in our custom-designed tank for at least two-and-a-half to three hours, bringing it to the perfect point of tenderness. Our version is less spicy and smoked lighter than the heavier New York style, which wouldn't go here."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          TonyC RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          just like Katz.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          it's all in the boil + steam, yes?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            wienermobile RE: TonyC Jun 13, 2014 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes…and the hand cut.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Professor RE: JAB Jun 13, 2014 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confused...did it lose you because you perceive 'house made' as a bad thing, or because you doubt the claim that it _is_ even house made?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just curious.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Had pastrami at Langer's once, some years ago. It was pretty good, but far from the best I've ever had. But I'd probably go there again next time I'm working on the left coast.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JAB RE: The Professor Jun 13, 2014 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm a Langer's fan but, it isn't "house made". As c e p stated, much more credit is deserved for "house made". The article lost me due to it's inaccuracy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ns1 RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "The country’s best house-made pastrami combined with the country’s best rye bread"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    it's not house made. just in case it hasn't been mentioned yet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A5 KOBE RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 01:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      not sure if it is stated already, but the pastrami is not house made

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Langer's pastrami plate...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. polldeldiablo RE: wienermobile Jun 13, 2014 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just thought of something umami'ish and found out it exists and am wondering if anyone has tried it and if any restaurants serves it within 100 miles of Los Angeles(It sounds THAT delicious that I'd travel that far)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wagyu Pastrami

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just did a chowhound board search AFTER posting this and found a restaurant named Alma back in dec 2012 referring to Wagyu Pastrami. Any other's?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          cacio e pepe RE: polldeldiablo Jun 14, 2014 12:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Interesting. Haven't seen it myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have personally used boneless short ribs (a fattier cut than brisket) to make pastrami and that's worked well for me. Very rich, but very tender.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 14, 2014 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wexler's Deli's statement and I believe them.."Wexler's Deli stands for three things: tradition, craftsmanship, and quality. Born of a desire to serve classic Jewish deli food made by people who care, Wexler's uses old-school methods to hand craft our pastrami and smoked salmon. After curing in a special blend of salt and spices, our meats and fish are slowly smoked in house over apple wood and sliced by hand in front of your eyes. Our pickles don't come from a jar; we barrel ferment them in salt brine. This is the real Jewish soul food. Just ask our family.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 14, 2014 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            0 for 3 on the pastrami

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lastZZ RE: wienermobile Jun 15, 2014 02:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A carefully worded statement. They don't cure the items but they smoke them. R.C. Provision prolly supplies the pastrami because who else can? Who else has it down and in quantity? But then why do they run out of it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe Wexler has another connection that is small, new, and will expand facilities now that the demand is obvious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Wexler's uses old-school methods to hand craft our pastrami and smoked salmon."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This seems deceptive. They buy from people who use these methods

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Kings Win.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              From The LA Times: LAPD Chief Charlie Beck and New York City Police Commissioner William J. Bratton (a former LAPD police chief) bet a pastrami sandwich that their home team would win the Stanley Cup. At stake was bragging rights over which city's hockey team was better - and which city's pastrami.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              On Saturday morning, Bratton signaled his intent to honor the bet. He tweeted a photo of Katz's Deli in New York and tagged Beck's Twitter account.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Do you take your pastrami sandwich with or without mustard? Congrats!" Bratton tweeted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Beck's response, after telling Bratton he was looking forward to having lunch again soon, was to tweet a picture of L.A.'s most-revered pastrami sandwich, the Number 19 at Langer's Deli.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The sandwich - tender, hand-sliced pastrami, cool Russian dressing, crisp cole slaw and Swiss cheese between two slices of pillow-soft, crunchy-crusted twice-baked rye bread - is a favorite of the Los Angeles Police Department.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              New York City loves it too - the New Yorker magazine once called Langer's Number 19 "the finest hot pastrami sandwich in the world." Even Bratton admitted the corned beef at Langer's was better than any in New York.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Hold the mustard please, slaw inside, just like @LangersDeli #19," Beck tweeted along with the picture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lastZZ RE: wienermobile Jun 15, 2014 02:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's a crap sandwich #19. Give me plain with coleslaw on the side and a jar of brown mustard. Cel-Ray soda would be nice. Pickles too

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lastZZ RE: lastZZ Jun 16, 2014 07:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not only is #19 a walking talking golem of pastrami abomination stalking LaLa Land. Its a repudiation of generations of our father's father's proper pastrami consumption. Meaning plain on rye with pickles and mustard to add-adorn-eat as needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Count me out for any
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  coleslaw
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Swiss
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Russian dressing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  etc etc etc
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  inside a pastrami sandwich. That's for people who can't buy a thrill

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Servorg RE: lastZZ Jun 16, 2014 07:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "That's for people who can't buy a thrill"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nah. That's for people who like the taste and order it the way they think is better. It cracks me when folks think that it is a good idea to dictate what other folks should like and eat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yet if the shoe is ever on the other foot and someone tells one of the #19 haters to only eat the #19 because it's the right flavor profile for everyone the fight would be on, for sure. Strange that the #19 haters can't see how illogical that position is?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lastZZ RE: Servorg Jun 16, 2014 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      #19 is for faded, jaded taste buds. True pastrami glory and wisdom accumulation via ingestion lies in the plain on rye as perfected by previous generations. There was never a need to re-invent this wheel. But to each his own on #19.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Servorg RE: lastZZ Jun 16, 2014 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jaded taste buds? You mean liking something different from what you like means that that person has deficient tastes? Good one! Taste is totally subjective. You have yours, I have mine and others have theirs. Jaded taste buds have nothing to do with it. I like the saying on CH "Dont yuck my yum" as it leaves the food choices up to the individual and no demeaning of those choices is necessary.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rachaeln RE: Servorg Jun 18, 2014 11:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lol.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.foodconsidered.com/dont-yu...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The first paragraph is relevant. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          gr8pimpin RE: lastZZ Jun 16, 2014 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That is not reinventing the wheel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The "Sky High" Pastrami is a menu staple at Jewish deli's back East as long as I remember eating Deli, in the 60s.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 16, 2014 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bratton isn't the only New York official who will have to make good on his bet. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has to send Gov. Jerry Brown a basket of buffalo wings, Italian sausage and oysters from Long Island. Brown had wagered a book of California history and lightly salted organic brown rice cakes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Servorg RE: wienermobile Jun 16, 2014 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sutter is glad that the King's won, that's for certain. And, if the truth be known, the First Dog of N.Y. is probably equally glad the King's won (lightly salted organic brown rice cakes? I have to feel that the "brown" part of that treat(?) was intentional.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wienermobile RE: Servorg Jun 16, 2014 09:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KTLA news report on the Pastrami Bet…
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy0Qk...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. A5 KOBE RE: wienermobile Jun 15, 2014 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just tried NY Famous Deli. It is a solid sandwich, nice thick cut pastrami. Bread was a bit of a disaster. Pastrami was a bit lacking in the flavor department.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is a nice option, but in my opinion there are better alternatives in LA. I would go here when in the area, but not a destination place to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Servorg RE: A5 KOBE Jun 15, 2014 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for the report. The picture of the meat makes it look really good...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A5 KOBE RE: Servorg Jun 15, 2014 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I liked Wexler a little bit more if that puts it into context. I mean, it beats at least half of those selections on that atrocious list by LA Weekly. But as I was eating, I found myself yearning for a Langer's or Brent's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        happybaker RE: A5 KOBE Jun 15, 2014 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hhmmm The meat looks good but the crust on the bread looks soft, not crispy. Yes? No?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A5 KOBE RE: happybaker Jun 15, 2014 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          very gummy with zero crisp

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cacio e pepe RE: A5 KOBE Jun 15, 2014 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That looks like a cross between Jewish rye and Home Pride.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The meat looks on point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              happybaker RE: A5 KOBE Jun 16, 2014 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ugh! How awful!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            TonyC RE: A5 KOBE Jun 16, 2014 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            agree on all fronts. that bread (at NY Famous Deli)... good god it was so bad. but the pastrami was juicy, tender, just needed heavier seasoning in the boil, I suppose. the pickles were great, and they had egg creams. the cannoli filling bordered atrocious, with way too much cornstarch. yuck.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            the only thing that really bothered me was the operations. there is just something so "off" about the service, despite everyone being friendly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              happybaker RE: TonyC Jun 16, 2014 10:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That is heartbreaking. To have the pastrami so good and the bread, so bad. I'd bring my own corn rye and swap it if I went there - but then, why go?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The service was off? Like unskilled? Too California friendly (you need a bit of attitude with the friendly at a deli to keep it classic LOL). Looks like I'm back to making my own blintzes, sigh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: happybaker Jun 16, 2014 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                katz is like that...well maybe the bread's not that bad...but should be an ez thing for them to fix but they don't care in the end -- that's why I get hotdogs and salami there!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ns1 RE: jessejames Jun 16, 2014 10:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "it's not that bad" isn't really a compliment in this context.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jessejames RE: ns1 Jun 16, 2014 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    you're right. but the fine pastrami sort of highlights it too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kevin RE: TonyC Jun 16, 2014 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                tony, which place is this with the cannoli fillings and pastrami sandwiches ?????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i got confused in the thread

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                langers or wexlers ????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                or ?????

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TonyC RE: kevin Jun 16, 2014 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  langers or wexlers ????
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  neither. kevin, get an ipad with a larger screen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A5 + I are talking about NY Famous Deli in Eagle Rock
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2501 Colorado Blvd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Los Angeles, CA 90041
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Open Saturday, not open Sunday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This place was first posted on Chow in this thread:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4838... by an infrequent poster.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The meat ball sub was fine, but definitely no Belcampo.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kevin RE: TonyC Jun 16, 2014 12:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    prices are quite resonablley for NY Famous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    includes a side for under ten bucks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chrishei RE: kevin Jun 16, 2014 12:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's like Labels cheap - very reasonable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A5 KOBE RE: TonyC Jun 16, 2014 11:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was a bit offended by those awkward picnic tables. Service for me was fine, but strange considering the half service half pay at the counter system. I could see one endure a pastrami cramp and not be able to get out of those tables.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    misterdudeguy RE: A5 KOBE Jun 16, 2014 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'll be interested to try this place.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'm also very interested, having made it this far, to go the rest of my life without being offended by furniture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A5 KOBE RE: misterdudeguy Jun 16, 2014 02:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The whole place is just odd. Starting from the weird parking lot to the odd entrance to the storefront. Then the interesting set up of furniture that is made for 4 year olds. The furniture would be even more offensive if I were 6'5 260 pounds.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    chowseeker1999 RE: TonyC Jun 16, 2014 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i agree with TonyC. :> pastrami was definitely tender and juicy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    although i'd say between Wexler's dry, awful bread and NY Deli's super soft bread, i'd rather have NY Deli's. but ideally none of the above and i'll just stick w/ Langer's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. Tripeler RE: wienermobile Jun 16, 2014 07:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Here's a great video on Jewish Delis in the U.S.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Many important people appear, including Mr. Langer himself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://vimeo.com/m/53381762

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. PommeDeGuerre RE: wienermobile Jun 17, 2014 12:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The next time Wexler's legitimately bests Langer's will be the first time

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. wienermobile RE: wienermobile Jun 18, 2014 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Does anyone get this excited about Corned Beef?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Servorg RE: wienermobile Jun 18, 2014 08:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A corny question, to be sure...(g) I've come to really enjoy those "mash up" hybrid corned beef and pastrami behemoths that are too big for my "behemouth"...(so sue me).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          wienermobile RE: Servorg Jun 18, 2014 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why don't anyone make a pastrami hash?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            OCSteve RE: wienermobile Jun 18, 2014 09:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I got curious about this myself. Here's what I came up with...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Local:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.coraltreecafe.com/menu/bre...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you're "inclined" to drive to Big Bear:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://teddybearrestaurant.com/breakfast

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There's a lamb version here:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://industrielfarm.com/menus/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Or if you're feeling ambitious:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.chow.com/recipes/30294-pas...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jessejames RE: OCSteve Jun 18, 2014 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jar does a nice pot roast (brisket) hash and eggs

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                OCSteve RE: jessejames Jun 18, 2014 09:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Good to know. I had a pot roast hash years ago in Sioux Falls, SD that was amazing but haven't ever been able to find it here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jessejames RE: OCSteve Jun 18, 2014 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just open for brunch Sundays. Nice and chill.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wienermobile RE: OCSteve Jun 18, 2014 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tavern's brisket hash with sunny-side eggs and horseradish cream on their brunch is great...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jessejames RE: wienermobile Jun 18, 2014 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                the corned beef at magees in the farmers market is juicy and nice with horseradish...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                pastrami and eggs is popular.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I like those behomoths too. here's the woody allen sandwich at the Carnegie. I can tackle that no prob but then I feel like an anaconda that just ate a goat.