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May 19, 2014 11:31 AM

Jonathan Gold Twitter Chat About 101 List, Noon

This from the Twitter machine:

@Jenn_Harris_ 10:26am via Web
Want to chat w @thejgold about his 101 best restaurants? Ask him questions using #jgold101 & he'll answer live at 12

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  1. Thanks man. Does he respond through Twitter (I'm like the eponymous chef in Chef who hasn't the darnedest clue about Twitters).


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    1. re: kevin

      Yes he has responded occasionally

      1. re: jessejames

        He's actually PM'd me a couple of times too, so I think he does respond to Twitter questions only a fairly regular basis.

      2. re: kevin

        He responded to me about Coni Seafood. The trick is to ask about a restaurant he likes or an obscure cuisine/specific dish so he can show off his knowledge!

      3. To anybody who is thinking about watching this, I would say its not worth your time.

        Key notes/the only controversial thing he addressed is he said Bucato is low bc from a traditional sense the pasta-making may not be as good as the stuff at factory kitchen. Baco Man i hope you read this.

        Said Spago is really superb.

        He was a responding to twitter questions. In truth, there just weren't very many good questions. He was candid.

        For kids he recommends Sea Harbor and Chichen Itza.

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        1. re: set0312

          So tradition wins out over flavor? Wtf?... Makes no sense. Angelini is down at 47, and that's more traditional than the Factory Kitchen...completely ridiculous.

          I don't know how to comprehend it really.

          If anything, the non-traditional place should be far higher when placed in Los Angeles. He, and all the stuck up conservatives can keep their traditions. Fuck 'em. I go by taste.

          I guess it's time to stop taking his reviews seriously.

          A sad day.

          1. re: BacoMan

            Don't try to comprehend it - it makes very little sense.

            There is a randomness to it that is almost like a dart board.

            I can say this - 101 restaurants in varying quality. I find myself slapping my forehead over some of these. And getting pissed off.

            He's a very good writer, but his taste leaves mucho to be desired.

            1. re: foodiemahoodie

              The only way I could understand it is maybe if he is forced by the publications to come up with some ratings, so he literally tosses darts at a board with names for the list...

              Except for Providence I guess.

              1. re: BacoMan

                "Except for Providence" - agree.

                Note no mention of Urasawa. Or Mori sushi - Which according to Mr. Gold's list is not as good as, say, Musso & Frank's, or Park's BBQ, or the Superba snack bar? Or Langers for that matter.

                Langers is better than Gjelina? Great hand-sliced pastrami (which they don't even make themselves, they heat it up). But everything else is downright average, if not mediocre. Oh well, go figure!

                1. re: foodiemahoodie

                  Gold did explain that he didn't put Urasawa on the list because he felt it was too expensive and was a disservice to LA Times readers to suggest it for the price.

                  1. re: set0312

                    I missed this (it wasn't mentioned in the preamble to the big list). Where was it?

                    1. re: foodiemahoodie

                      This was in his video chat that the OP linked. Basically he said the food at Urasawa is as good as it was last year but 1300 dollars for two is just too much, and that its possible to have a btter experience at other places.

                        1. re: set0312

                          How hilarious that he would cut it for price, while he himself has begun a significant upward trend in the prices of the places he recommends...

                2. re: foodiemahoodie

                  "He's a very good writer, but his taste leaves mucho to be desired"

                  Except, of course, by the one doing the tasting/opining. And in this case that would be Mr. Gold. No?

                  1. re: Servorg

                    I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

                    1. re: foodiemahoodie

                      You say his taste leaves a lot to be desired. I'm saying you can only tell that his taste is different from yours. But to Mr. Gold, his taste is spot on.

                      My logic meter always hits into the red zone when folks here set out to prove that someone else has poor taste in food. No, they have different taste. Not poor, or deficient or their taste leaves much to be desired.

                      They just have a different take on what taste profiles they find delicious. Some women (and men too) find Brad Pitt to be the best looking man on the planet. Some say Johnny Depp.

                      Some men (and women) find Jessica Alba absolutely the cats meow and some lust for Scarlett Johansson, or Halle Berry or Zoe Saldana or Lupita Nyong'o or...well you get the idea.

                      There is no wrong or deficient choice when it comes to what turns on your sex drive, or your taste buds.

                        1. re: mc michael

                          One of our esteemed hounds (I won't say who exactly, but the first letters of his board user name are "ipse") has a thing for filet 'o fish sandwiches. Need I say more?

                            1. re: mc michael

                              mc, only during the lenten period.

                            2. re: Servorg

                              i have a serious affinity for those things too.

                              a few of those suckers and sex works quite perfectly.

                              1. re: kevin

                                Yeah...the right suckers definitely enhance sex.

                                1. re: Servorg

                                  junk food with junky sex, in a word: perfect.

                                  but you need to have at least three to send you into an enhance free-flowing stupor state of pastoral, bucolic bliss.

                                  but four is too many.

                                    1. re: mc michael

                                      It's a "regional" thing below (blow?) the Mason-'Dicks'on Line.

                                      1. re: Servorg

                                        Sevrog, I
                                        Just loudly cracked up.

                                            1. re: jessejames

                                              Really?!? No references to In-n-Out yet?!

                                              Hey babe, would you like to see my Carl's Jr? Five Guys? Jack in the Box?

                                              1. re: TheOffalo

                                                Do you guys like the special sauce on an in n out burger ?????

                                                1. re: kevin

                                                  No mayo or friends of mayo for me

                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                    I like extra spread. But not on my burger.

                                                    1. re: TheOffalo

                                                      or someone said the roast beef at top round was really great right ???? with the horseradish cream sauce.

                                                        1. re: jessejames

                                                          Eat out, obviously.

                                                          I don't cook. :)

                            3. re: BacoMan

                              I think that day was back when he left LAWeekly.

                              1. re: VenusCafe

                                You're probably right. The writing he did at the Weekly was adventurous, chaotic, sometimes even savage.

                                Ever since he joined the times its been like reading an anesthetized version. The difference between seeing a lion in the wild, and seeing on in a zoo.

                                1. re: BacoMan

                                  I wonder how much that has to do with reader base. I'm guessing the random eastside joints just don't appeal that much to typical readers.

                                  1. re: set0312

                                    I guess not...

                                    Places like Chengdu Taste and Hunan Mao are lucky to slip through I suppose.

                                    I thought Tasty Dining might've got in there from his review.

                                    Another place that I'm kind of surprised didn't make it at all was Scratch Bar, which he seemed to like quite a lot. not eastside...but...just another odd omission.

                                    1. re: BacoMan

                                      Have you been to Scratch Bar?

                                      I had the tasting menu. A few dishes were good. Some were okay. Others were poor. Nothing somewhat memorable. Too expensive. Arrogant waitstaff.

                                      I asked why they didn't carry Coke and got a three minute lecture on how they care about what people put in their bodies and don't believe in corn syrup and all that shit.

                                      Gold did LA Times readers a serious service by not including Scratch Bar. Perhaps he was "forced" to review it.

                                      1. re: set0312

                                        as eddie murphy told bill cosby, have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up...

                                        I love coke.

                                        1. re: set0312

                                          Actually, I haven't yet. I was going off of his review of the place. I wasn't really thinking of going before his review. He seemed to really like the Squid in a Box and Smoking Goat's Milk Cheese.

                                          Glad I never actually made it now...

                                          Based on your reviews, it seems like we have pretty similar tastes (except maybe for the fact that I don't drink soda), so you're more reliable of a source than Gold at this point.

                                          1. re: BacoMan

                                            I think we do have very similar tastes. I'm gonna check out Jagerhaus this weekend based on your suggestion.

                                            But ya Scratch Bar was no good. Imagine the "misses" from places like Alma and Allummette and even Trois Mec and make a menu out of them. Then throw in a "modernist" flair and you have Scratch Bar.

                                            1. re: set0312

                                              If you do go to Jägerhaus, be sure to order the Bratwurst plate, and the Wiener Schnitzel (assuming you aren't eating alone). Get as much sauerkraut as you possibly can (even if you don't like sauerkraut, the stuff there is so good it might change your mind). Also don't miss: potato pancake (don't forget to ask for sour cream), and spaetzle (get it with the gravy!) Also, be sure you ask for a pot of their mustard.

                                              And a slice of their German chocolate cake to finish things off.

                                              Hopefully you enjoy it as much as I do. You're in for a great meal I think.

                                              1. re: BacoMan

                                                Glad to see a Jagerhaus nod! This is one place that my whole family agrees on. Breakfasts and sandwiches are unique and tasty. And call me a cheeseball, but I like the over-the-top Bavarian decor. Nice folks running the place.

                                                1. re: running pig

                                                  Better people could not be running the place. It's basically the house kitchen of an old German grandmother, literally. It's completely ridiculous that they don't get more attention from the food media. The only reason is the location, and maybe the decor I guess.

                                                  What are their breakfasts like though? Never been for that meal.

                                                  1. re: running pig

                                                    does jagerhouas serve apple strudel partnered with schlag on the side ??????

                                                2. re: set0312

                                                  Ehh...I wouldn't merit Scratch Bar no good/poor. There was a mix of poor-average dishes, but really outstanding dishes as well. There were some flaws and OBVIOUS flaws, (not opinionated flaws) such as super salty tomatoes on the hanger steak ruining the flavor of the steak and the home-made ice cream cone being way too sweet... but ultimately my palate was enhanced by treats such as cauliflower 4 ways and the cured pig's head so I would argue that Scratch Bar is not a complete waste of's nice to perk your taste buds with new enhancements

                                                  1. re: seanwlee

                                                    How was the squid in a box? Or smoking Goat's milk cheese?