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May 18, 2014 04:42 PM

Anyone else disgusted with dogs in restaurants?


Went to Sam's @ Louis' for brunch. A patron was holding a lap dog inside the restaurant. I think this is offensive and potentially unhealthy. (Is this a violation of the health code?) In my opinion, restaurants are not a place to bring pets. Do others agree?

  1. Why didn't you ask a staffer at the restaurant about this?

    1. All municipalities have their own codes.
      Where I live the code is becoming more and more jeopardized by those who know the law and have no problem breaking it.
      It's up to the proprietor to decide how/if they want to allow dogs. The law clearly states that the only dogs allowed are service dogs. The law also states the owner of the establishment cannot ask certain questions of the owner. If they word the question wrong they can also be threatened with a lawsuit from the owner of the dog.
      Therefore, more and more people are bringing their beloved animals along with them without a care in the world about those who are offended by them.
      The law states the proprietor can ask to see their 'permit'. All the offender has to do is say they left it at home and the proprietor has to trust they have one.

      117 Replies
      1. re: latindancer

        I forget what news show it was on but I recently read there is a whole black market of service dog paraphernalia for this purpose. Things included "Service Dog" vests and accompaniments to adorn your dog in to make them look "official". All for people that just want to bring their dog's with them that obviously they don't belong.

        1. re: jrvedivici

          Even with all the paraphernalia, as you've described, it's not too hard to notice which dog is a service dog and which dog is just a pet whose owner finds it emotionally impossible to leave them at home. I love my rescue but I wouldn't in a billion years impose her presence on another's space…in the slightest possibility someone may not like or be allergic to her.
          A service dog is a working dog….they're highly trained companions. The majority of time they're not allowed to be touched by a stranger…their owner is very protective and the dog there to work and protect, not visit.
          Service dogs don't jump up on my leg when they're working in a a restaurant or market.

          1. re: latindancer

            And yet I haven't read of any crackdown on fake service dogs. This seems to be big in California, but I suppose it's only a matter of time before it migrates east, like appletinis and cocaine. I suppose it's just the canine version of fake handicapped plates for people suffering from mycousinthedoctor syndrome.

            1. re: monkeyrotica

              The California legislature is beginning to look into the problem of service dog scofflaws.

            2. re: latindancer

              Service dogs don't have magical properties that make their dander not cause allergic reactions.

              1. re: rasputina

                No, but one is much less likely to encounter one if only legit ones are admitted places.

                1. re: rasputina

                  The blind and wheelchair-bound and other physically disabled people helped by service dogs shouldn't be allowed out in public because you don't take your antihistamines? Talk about a sense of entitlement!

                  1. re: greygarious

                    Nobody is questioning actual service dogs for the blind or otherwise disabled. The problem is the illegitimate proliferation of dogs everywhere because people take advantage of the loose interpretation of service dogs. Furthermore, antihistamines are not enough to protect people with severe allergies from serious complications.

                    1. re: bachchick

                      Nobody is questioning actual service dogs for the blind or otherwise disabled.
                      Oh yes, they are here!!!!!!!
                      NO DOGS ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      I MIGHT SNEEZE!!!!!!!!
                      OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!



                      THEY SHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      1. re: bachchick

                        I agree but I'm not sure about a solution. A "legitimate" service dog doesn't have any more or less dander than a "illegitimate" service dog. So what do you do with a seeing eye dog on an airplane? In that enclosed environment a dog allergy would be much more severe than in a building.

                        1. re: HoosierFoodie

                          A helpful solution is to bathe the dog before it goes on a plane, or into a hospice/hospital/nursing home.
                          I know I'll be doing that when I eventually (fingers crossed!) take my dog places to be a canine companion.

                          1. re: monavano

                            Is anyone really that allergic to a dog in a large open room or even in a space like an aircraft? I have never heard of any major issues - it's not like a nut allergy with the risk of anaphylactic shock as you are not eating the poor dog....!

                            I am allergic to dogs, cats, horses etc. but no issues being in the same room, I don't touch them, or allow them to sit on me. I really can't understand this as an issue.

                            1. re: PhilD

                              I'm allergic to cats, and must wash my hands after petting, or else I get red bumps if I touch my face.
                              That said, I can be near them.
                              Being in a dander/fur-filled house would get problematic, tho.

                              1. re: monavano

                                Same here, especially as cats tend to come in packs in cat lovers homes and like to curl up on the pillows of those most allergic - they are evil creatures that have a sixth sense that allows them to torment us - but thats very different to a few dogs in a large restaurant.... ;-)

                                1. re: PhilD

                                  Did you miss the video of the family cat who saved a 4-year old boy when he was attacked by the neighbor's dog?


                                  1. re: John E.

                                    Don't be fooled - a warrior from the Cat Empire simply showed their true colours - they are the dominant species - just bidding their time. Dogs beware!

                                    1. re: PhilD

                                      they do, after all, have razors for feet...

                                    2. re: John E.

                                      And today's follow up....this cat is getting more than his 15 minutes of (well deserved!) fame


                                    3. re: PhilD

                                      Today's fun fact: I just read recently that cats don't like people that look directly at them, as it's a sign of aggression or dominance to them. That's why they always go to the people who don't like them, because they don't look directly at them.

                                      1. re: coll

                                        Many dogs, too.
                                        It's a no-no, but heck if people don't approach strange dogs and get right into their face, "booboobooboo".

                                        1. re: coll

                                          Direct staring is a challenge throughout the mammal kingdom, though not necessarily signalling aggression, it's a claim of dominance. When I was a zoo guide, we always told visitors not to look the primates in the eye as it unsettled them. Even with your own adoring dog, who may gaze into your eyes with all his heart - try staring at him unblinkingly, without any facial expression, or speaking. He'll quickly avert his eyes. If he doesn't, he may be the type of dog who wants to dominate his owner and needs ongoing reinforcement of basic obedience training. My cat experience is mostly with Siamese and their offshoot breeds. They are more people-oriented than most cats; I've known a number of them who loved nothing better than gazing into their owners' eyes.

                                          I once attended a vegetarian dinner held by a humane society. Somewhat incongruously, the guest of honor was a wolf named Shaman. He was a juvenile in training to be the outreach rep of a local wolf sanctuary.
                                          The handler explained that while you'd think a meek wolf would be the best for this, in fact it's the job for an alpha. He has to be VERY confident in order to remain calm in strange and changing environments. At the end of the meal, Shaman was allowed to roam the room, trailing the heavy chain that was his "leash". After climbing onto a table to wolf down (yup) a dinner roll, he meandered over to me, and made eye contact. This was years before I learned about what staring means to animals. He looked straight into my eyes, out the back of my head, as I returned the eye contact. I wasn't scared, but I *was* transfixed. This was not a dog looking at me; it was pure life-force. It seemed like time stood still but was probably not more than 30 seconds before he moved off and purloined a cupcake.

                                          1. re: greygarious

                                            <needs ongoing reinforcement of basic obedience training>

                                            Interesting, but not across the board always the case.
                                            My dog (female rescue and old) has had intensive, extensive obedience training by a very good trainer.
                                            She's very well trained.
                                            She's lovable, trainable and follows commands.
                                            She stares me down all the time…
                                            I'm the one who usually looks away as I could be there for hours staring….am I the one who needs the obedience training?

                                            1. re: latindancer

                                              My dogs stare when they want something- food or potty.
                                              I'm able to hold a loving gaze with them, too.

                                              1. re: monavano

                                                I'd give just about anything to know what's going on in her head when she does it.
                                                It's certainly a loving connection for me :-).

                                            2. re: greygarious

                                              Huh. My cat stares at me then blinks slowly and falls down. Conclusion: I control him with my mind.

                                                1. re: Hobbert

                                                  My kid was interviewing my 82 year old father about life during The Great Depression. (Video camera going too.)

                                                  Off camera, the cat was licking herself and tipped over twice. I laughed both times and got the 'what?' each time.

                                                2. re: greygarious

                                                  Well, everyone loves a cupcake:)
                                                  But seriously, that must have been an tremendous experience. Lucky you.

                                          2. re: PhilD

                                            Phil, my husband is sufficiently allergic to dogs and cats that he does sneeze and get asthmatic when they are merely in a carrier stowed under his seat or the seat in front of a person sitting next to him on planes. This has occurred in situations where he did not even know there was a pet on board until he starting sneezing and wheezing. Fortunately the flight attendant has always been able to reseat the passenger with pet.

                                            I am not trying to suggest that his allergies trump the need of a handicapped person with a service dog. But it is an issue. (And really not surprising given the poor air circulation on planes.)

                                            1. re: masha

                                              I don't doubt it causes people to sneeze but is it really serious? I assume it's similar to hay fever - if you are that allergic then an inhaler puts it right quickly, and like hay fever its tricky to exclude animals from everywhere you go.

                                              1. re: PhilD

                                                The only effective medication in his case are antihistamines that make him quite drowsy (the non-drowsy ones don't work for him). They pretty much knock him out, which is ok if he did not plan to work on the plane or drive a car on arrival at the other end. Of course he takes them when there is no alternative. My point above was just to respond to the suggestion that there are no ill effects so long as you don't touch the animal; maybe for you, but not him.

                                                1. re: masha

                                                  I feel for your husband - I have allergies to cats,dogs,horses,guinea pigs well as trees,weeds,grass, most pollen bearing flowers, fragrances, several medications,corn,yeast,wheat,soy,and dairy. I actually break out in hives fairly regularly and take my emergency inhaler everywhere.I own all of the above mentioned animals because I value my sanity and happiness. Both of which they ensure. I wonder, as someone who is around pets and their owners- I find we often "wear" them on our clothes even when they are not around. Just as I cannot ask someone to refrain from wearing perfume while I dine out, I don't "de-fur" myself while in public places......frankly I probably have as much dander on me as my pets do!
                                                  How does your husband deal with this situation?
                                                  I am keeping Benedryl in business -it's small price to pay for the joy and health benefits ( low blood pressure, mandatory exercise etc) my pets bring me.

                                                  1. re: EAH

                                                    We have no pets and he tries to minimize exposure to others'. Our friends and family members with cats and dogs know of his allergies, and are considerate enough to thoroughly vacuum carpets and upholstered furniture before we visit, and keep the pets away from him during the visit. He will often try to sit on unupholstered furniture or, if weather permits, outside where the elements can be relied upon to wash away any dog or cat dander. (I'm the one allergic to pollens, etc, not him.) If necessary, he takes an antihistamine while he is there. If it's a dinner party, he fights to stay awake; if we are houseguests, he promptly takes a nap. I too do not pet the animals so as not to transfer dander from me to him. And, when we get home, everything goes in the wash immediately.

                                                    He only developed these allergies in his late teens. Before that, he grew up with cats and really liked dogs too. No animus towards either; just realizes that he feels much better if he avoids them.

                                                    1. re: masha

                                                      A friend of mine has pet allergies and badly wanted to watch a college football game, he not having cable at the time. He knew about my cat, but since I had an unused bedroom that we kept closed and the cat never went in, we gave it a shot. I moved a TV, split the cable signal and ran coax cable, hoping we'd have an enjoyable male bonding, beer swilling, college football game. Poor fellow didn't last a minute.

                                                      1. re: James Cristinian

                                                        The problem with cat allergies is that the most common cat allergen is so small in particle size that it doesn't weigh enough to settle out of the air. So if you have any ventilation in your house, it doesn't matter where in the house the pet is, it all gets circulated around.

                                                        I really wish this wasn't the case. I really feel like I am a cat person, and would love one, but my allergies are too severe.

                                                        1. re: James Cristinian

                                                          We have Siamese which are considered to be the least likely to cause allergic reactions (something to do with being single coated) and a new friend of ours had to leave our house within 5 minutes of arriving. We have all hardwood floors and leather furniture so it wasn't like there was tons of cat dander lurking about.

                                              2. re: PhilD

                                                But you will if they've been on or in contact with your restaurant seat.

                                                1. re: mcf

                                                  Only if I take my trousers off - hopefully not the new hip thing to do ;-)

                                                  1. re: PhilD

                                                    Dust, hair, fur, dander go airborne, they don't just lay there.

                                                    But nice touch not dropping trou.

                                                2. re: PhilD

                                                  I was involved in a similar conversation on another forum about a month back. A couple of people cited allergies to dogs that can result in anaphylaxis. They carry epipens with them just in case. So, yes, as it turns out, dog allergies can be that severe.

                                                  1. re: LMAshton

                                                    Any allergy can be that severe. Some more commonly than others, but any can depending on the individual.

                                                  2. re: PhilD

                                                    Yes, I am. I take antihistamines and use an inhaler every day but I am still sensitive to certain allergens. Some are far worse than others, and within a species such as dogs, some breeds bother me much more than other breeds.

                                                    At my office, there is a woman who had a small chihuahua named Cujo, which was hysterical because it maybe weighs six pounds soaking wet. This woman would bring Cujo to the office with her and let him run around. He was very well-behaved and uncommonly quiet for his breed. More than once, I had a violent sneezing attack accompanied by itching eyes and throat, only to find out that Cujo was lurking around in my immediate work area. I had to tell that woman(an independent contractor who came and went as needed, whereas I, a full-time employee am expected to work a normal schedule) that if she continued to bring him to the office, she would either have to do my work for me or explain to our boss why I had to leave the office abruptly. She was a total snot about it...couldn't believe that her little tiny darling could affect me that way.

                                                    As it relates to service animals, if they are trained and providing a legitimate service animal function, they are most likely providing a service for someone whose health status (physical or mental) requires a companion animal. Their medical status is going to trump my status as a more or less normal and healthy adult so I accept and support the idea that I can and should suck it up so their needs are met.

                                                    On the other hand, I resent being unnecessarily exposed to allergens because entitled people think their animal is just so special and precious that their need to enjoy its company trumps the consideration of others, whether they be highly allergic people like me, or people who have an irrational fear of animals, or something similar.

                                                    1. re: jlhinwa

                                                      I am still far from convinced that dogs can really serious allergic reactions that could lead to anaphylactic shock.

                                                      I searched the internet and couldn't find any reference to it. I get anaphylactic reactions to ingested allergens like nuts, I get the extremely rare reactions to horses (they are far bigger than dogs).

                                                      I recognise people are allergic to animals, especially if they touch them, but equally people are just as allergic to pollen so flowers and trees are equally problematic. Do people get anaphylactic shock from flowers?

                                                      I am not denying people are allergic (i am myself) but lets keep a bit of perspective - as far as I can tell its far, far from anything remotely life threatening. I am happy to be directed to a source that says otherwise. But hardly a reason to ban dogs from public spaces.......

                                                      1. re: PhilD

                                                        The folks in this post mention hives and the necessity for inhalers and epipens, so the diagnosis obviously included one or more medical professionals -- i.e., highly likely to be genuine, not faked or some flight of fancy.

                                                        Compassion is a wonderful thing.

                                                        1. re: PhilD

                                                          Rare reactions to horses??? Horse dander is one of the most potent antigens out there. Very common to react to it.

                                                          Folks commonly get constitutional symptoms from congention to hives from dog allergies, convincing you is NOT their priority, preventing increasing severity of symptoms is. Any time all those are present, escalation is possible.

                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                            Sorry meant anaphylactic reaction to horses - I agree allergy to horses is common and from what I read it is the one animal that is documented to actually cause anaphylaxis - albeit very rarely.

                                                            I was raising the question about the true severity of allergies in the context of dogs in restaurants. We have seen the over reaction of places like baseball stadiums and peanut allergies. God help us if we start to see dog bans from public based on similar scare stories.

                                                            I am allergic to many animals and especially allergic to horses with hives, breathing issues etc etc. (and I can get asthma) so I am not ignorant about the effects of allergies. So I avoid horses, keeping my distance from them and not going to stables, I don't pat dogs and cats etc. but if I go to a friends house who has pets I simply take an inhaler in case I get any discomfort, and dogs in large rooms (restaurants) have never caused me an issue.

                                                            So when I read comments about extreme symptoms, mention of anaphylaxis etc I think it's good to ask questions to ascertain if it's true. Look up anaphylaxis and dogs and the references I find are about dogs which are allergic and can get reactions....I found nothing about people.

                                                            It would be good to read more - grateful for any references. In the mean time I remain skeptical and think its an exaggeration.

                                                          2. re: PhilD

                                                            Even if it isn't an anaphylactic reactions, allergens can trigger asthma attacks, which can be deadly.

                                                            1. re: PhilD

                                                              Why must you be convinced of the health issues of others? Seems to me it's one of those things that one accepts as possible - even if it doesn't apply to you. Because it might be unusual certainly doesn't make it impossible. And "keeping a bit of perspective" - easy for you to say!

                                                              1. re: Toots4120

                                                                Toots - why must I be convinced? Well only if someone uses a alleged health issue to limit others freedoms seems a good starting point. We should all be wary of people exaggerating health issues if they have an impact on the welfare and enjoyment of others.

                                                                As someone who has allergies, to tree nuts, dogs, cats horses etc etc I think I have a reasonably good perspective on the issue. I have had anaphylactic reactions requiring medical treatment so I have some understanding of the issue.

                                                                I really do understand that if you eat something or have something injected (drugs and insect stings) you can get an anaphylactic reaction. I understand some people have reactions to latex, and very, very rarely there are cases of anaphylactic reactions to horses.

                                                                But to extrapolate that all allergies can become anaphylactic is a big big stretch. If you follow that logic we will cut down forests, pave over grass etc etc to get rid of the nasty pollens.

                                                                There are lots of half truths in the mass of information that swirls around the medical industry. We really should be vigilant to call out the more far fetched ones if they are used as reasons to affect personal freedoms.

                                                                1. re: PhilD

                                                                  "But to extrapolate that all allergies can become anaphylactic is a big big stretch. If you follow that logic we will cut down forests, pave over grass etc etc to get rid of the nasty pollens."

                                                                  Yeah, there's a lot of call for that as an alternative to highly effective 12 weeks of allergy desensitization. I mean, it's been in the news non stop, right?

                                                                  Oh, waitaminute...

                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                    So nothing in the news about this.....mmmh. Wonder why, could it be it's not an issue...?

                                                                      1. re: PhilD

                                                                        because no, the press has never ignored something and opted to run with something that is truly unimportant.

                                                                        (the Kim and Kanye wedding, anyone)

                                                                        The fact that it's not covered in the press doesn't negate its existence, nor does the fact that it's a statistically insignificant number -- it's *VERY* significant for those so afflicted.

                                                                    1. re: PhilD

                                                                      If you yourself have had an anaphylactic reaction, then why, oh why would you doubt someone else's reaction?

                                                                      What would you say if someone doubted that you had, indeed, had an anaphylactic reaction?

                                                                      What makes you qualify for anaphylactic reactions, but not someone else?

                                                                      1. re: sunshine842

                                                                        Maybe because I suffer I take more interest in it and thus question the odd claims especially when used to justify things that impact others.

                                                                        I don't care if people believe I have allergies or not. It's my personal responsibility to take precautions. I don't go near horses, I don't eat nuts. But I have no need to ban nuts from restaurants or horses from public spaces.

                                                                          1. re: LexiFirefly

                                                                            LMAO. Seriously? I was joking in this thread about asking the state to remove all the goldenrod in the state park near my home. That woman isn't just a helicopter parent she is a stealth black hawk fighter pilot parent!

                                                                            1. re: foodieX2

                                                                              My SO and I wondered why anyone would bully her TEENAGE children. Nope I just don't see it.

                                                                              1. re: LexiFirefly

                                                                                So the article is from 2012, do you know what happened?

                                                                                And not to go to far OT, but bullying is very much alive and well in high schools. It often comes in the form of hazing as well as social ostracization. Compound that with FB, twitter etc and the bullying becomes even worse. Does that justify taking down oak trees? No. Taking them down won't stop bullying.

                                                                                1. re: foodieX2

                                                                                  Nor will it stop pollen from hundreds of miles around blowing in.

                                                                                  1. re: foodieX2

                                                                                    She eventually withdrew her application to have the tree removed, a lot of people were not impressed with her concern. For the bullying aspect I was more thinking that her extreme helicopter parenting could be a factor in the teens being ostracized, sorry to go off topic!

                                                                                    1. re: LexiFirefly

                                                                                      Gotcha! And thanks for the update. I'm glad she pulled it. And something tells me she has moved onto petitioning for mother and son/daughter dorm rooms at colleges!

                                                                              2. re: LexiFirefly

                                                                                I read the clipping. Supposedly the school is nut-free according to the article. Too bad the Town isn't

                                                                          2. re: PhilD

                                                                            You know, when a person tells me that they can possibly have an anaphylaxis reaction to being in the same room as a dog, I tend to believe them. I don't demand medical reports. Yeah, I haven't heard of it before, but so what?

                                                                            1. re: LMAshton

                                                                              LM - you and I are obviously different. If someone tells me something that is patently wrong I tend to question them. If nothing else they may be avoiding dogs in the mistaken belief they are dangerous to their health rather than causing discomfort. At worst they could advocate for banning dogs/animals from all sorts of places for very spurious reasons.

                                                                              Just because someone believes something, or has extrapolated allergy to mean there is always a risk of anaphylaxis doesn't make them right. The allergy industry its associated lobby groups are a weird phenommena which does have a real impact on many people i.e. causing them to worry and be stressed when they don't need to (and shouldn't we care about that?)

                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                  Personal medical issues are none of my business. Exaggerated medical issues that restrict everyone else's freedoms are.

                                                                                  I really don't get thus uncritical acceptance of any medical claim - why is questioning something that sounds wrong so emotional?

                                                                                  1. re: PhilD

                                                                                    I work retail and am on my feet most of the time. I ruptured my Achilles tendon stepping in a hole at 4 am on the way to a major work day. After 9 weeks in a boot, 5 on crutches it flared up 6 weeks later. I was accused of milking it. Yeah, milking it, that's why I spent 100 dollars for two co-pay visits after the injury and had to put the boot on for another month, me the guy that showed up the Sunday after Thanksgiving for re-pricing a big store with the blown out Achilles.

                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                      James - and the relevance of this to dogs in restaurants is?

                                                                                    2. re: PhilD

                                                                                      Wait, assuming someone is abusing the animal assistance laws is fine but inflating possible allergic risk is none of your business?

                                                                                      This thread has taken an interesting turn.

                                                                                      1. re: PhilD

                                                                                        Because you make stuff up not in evidence. And anyone with hard to understand medical history can tell you how much physical and emotional suffering and even terror comes from such attitudes.

                                                                                        Whether or not you're truly allergic is no business of anyone here; it's not like some sort of credential.

                                                                                    3. re: PhilD

                                                                                      So you would, what, demand a certificate from their doctor? What other kind of proof would you require?

                                                                                      1. re: LMAshton

                                                                                        Only if they wanted to ban dogs from a public place. I have no interest in their personal beliefs if they don't affect others. Unfortunately spurious medical conditions are used to justify lots of things and if they are they must be fair game to challenge.

                                                                                      2. re: PhilD

                                                                                        I have a friend who is highly allergic to rubbing alcohol. And yet, despite this being on her chart and despite her telling every nurse and doctor who might use it around her, she *still* has nurses who apply it to her skin before a needle because "it's just a little bit". And she winds up in anaphylaxis. Because those people didn't believe her that it could be that serious.

                                                                                        Would you use rubbing alcohol around her because rubbing alcohol is not widely accepted as an allergy that could lead to anaphylaxis? Or would you consider that as ridiculous as well since it's not widely documented?

                                                                                        1. re: LMAshton

                                                                                          For freak's sake; I know someone (who turned out to have mast cell activation disorder or mastocytosis undiagnosed) who was in a constant state of anaphylaxis and at one point, even plain water elicited the reaction before it was treated.

                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                            but no, it can't be real because PhilD doesn't believe in it.

                                                                                            You can't *fake* anaphylaxis, and if you're carrying an epipen, then there's at least one medical professional out there (involved in the initial treatment of the anaphylaxis, diagnosis of the allergy, and the followup prescription for the epipen) who is convinced that the allergy is serious enough a threat to the patient's lfie that the epipen is necessary...thus I'll take someone's statement that their allergy is anaphylaxis-serious at face value and believe them 100%.

                                                                                            1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                              I am not saying Anaphylaxis isn't real. But I question if pet allergies really cause it. Because if they do there is a really scary lack of literature out there.

                                                                                              Do you really know of anyone who has been prescribed an epi pen for a pet allergy, pollen or dust allergy?

                                                                                              1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                I do.

                                                                                                The question is, will you believe me?

                                                                                                1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                  Okay- I'll bite.
                                                                                                  As I stated earlier in this thread, I suffer from severe allergies to animals, food, medicines and nature
                                                                                                  (trees,flowering plants, grass, weeds, mold etc). However, it is more severe than most typical allergies.

                                                                                                  I was diagnosed with Mastocytosis back in 1992 and have reoccurring serious flare ups of it (aka urticaria pigmentosa). By the way- Mastocytosis does not automatically cause an anaphylactic response- mine was diagnosed with chronic hives, asthma, and finally Uticaria Pigmentosa. I have been on continuous rounds of steroids and have at all times 2 Epi Pens on me as well as my emergency inhaler.I take my allergy meds daily.
                                                                                                  I have done shots, drops etc. Finally my allergist suggested that my pet allergies would most likely IMPROVE with my exposure to my pets......which they have.... as my tolerance has built up.
                                                                                                  To date-after 25 years of UP the only allergies that have caused me to go into severe asthma attacks or close to anaphylaxis are : Iodine, contrast dyes, medicines
                                                                                                  (Chloroprep,betadine, penicillin,CCB's or Sulpha) or believe it or not the worst for me: dust mites.

                                                                                                  My animal allergies are the LEAST of my problems. Sure, I hive up and itch once in a while, but mostly its the saliva that causes it, not the hair.

                                                                                                  A while ago I had a serious discussion with my allergist wherein I contemplated eradicating
                                                                                                  ALL allergens from my life.
                                                                                                  I was informed by my allergist that it was SO uncommon for pet allergies to cause anaphylaxis that he had never heard of a case.
                                                                                                  I have to agree with PhilD-

                                                                                                  People who simply dislike dogs are probably the most guilty of playing the allergy card.

                                                                                                  And before you jump on me- go ahead and re read my post. I suffer from a HYPER ALLERGIC RESPONSE and have been under the continual care of a highly regarded allergist in the UC System for almost 25 years. I am undoubtably more qualified than most on this thread to know of
                                                                                                  where I speak.
                                                                                                  Those of you who are so disgusted by those who would fake their pets service credentials as it infringes on others freedoms should be just as appalled by those who would fake the severity of their allergies to pets thus imposing on others freedoms.

                                                                                                  1. re: EAH

                                                                                                    "Those of you who are so disgusted by those who would fake their pets service credentials as it infringes on others freedoms should be just as appalled by those who would fake the severity of their allergies to pets thus imposing on others freedoms."

                                                                                                    I'm almost 60; I've never known anyone to do this. Maybe if I live long enough...

                                                                                                  2. re: PhilD

                                                                                                    there's several folks right here on this very board.

                                                                                                2. re: mcf

                                                                                                  Mcf - And the relevance of this rare but serious condition to someone who is simply allergic to dogs?

                                                                                                  1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                    That there is a whole huge spectrum of allergic disorder between mere allergy, over active mast cells and frank mastocytosis and all that it involves that you may think is fake, or made up anaphylaxis but is quite real.

                                                                                                  2. re: mcf

                                                                                                    Yeah, mastocytosis sucks rocks. Huge rocks.

                                                                                                    1. re: LMAshton

                                                                                                      It's extremely life limiting, from sunlight intolerance to eating almost no proteins and very few other foods than rice, very unhealthy on so many levels.

                                                                                                  3. re: LMAshton

                                                                                                    Well that is a bit weird as allergies to isopropyl alcohol are well documented. It's one of the reasons people can be allergic to perfumes and cosmetics.

                                                                                                    However, allergies don't equal anaphylactic shock. Did you friend get shot up with adrenaline and steroids each time this happened.....?

                                                                                                    1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                      So you want me to get her medical treatment notes?

                                                                                                      1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                        Dismissing someone's medical condition without having examined the patient and their records would be considered highly unethical for a medical professional.

                                                                                                        What, exactly, are your medical qualifications that allow you to dismiss these issues out of hand?

                                                                                                        You skipped over my comment that it's impossible to fae allergic and anaphylactic is it that you explain these symptoms if it's fake?

                                                                                                        1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                          Agree you can't fake it but there are lots of people who assume they suffer from things and talk about them who don't. A bad allergic reaction isn't necessarily an anaphylactic one. You can get hives, laboured breathing and hot itchy skin but it's not anaphylaxis. And the symptoms recede naturally over time.

                                                                                                          Self reported illness is notoriously unreliable especially if people are propping up arguments. Patients are prescribed drugs for good and bad reasons. Think about the issues or antibiotic resistance resulting from the over prescription of antibiotics as an example. EpiPens are very well marketed and very widely prescribed - it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect some doctors may prescribe them to placate irrational fears rather than for good therapeutic reasons.

                                                                                                          I have still to read anything that says pet allergies (apart from horses) have/can cause anaphylactic shock. I read one paper which postulated it could have been a cause but the allergist thought it unlikely. Many anaphylactic reactions are idiopathic, it's a bit like food poisoning with the last thing eaten getting the blame, rather than a fully tested and identified trigger. So there is a bit of mystery.

                                                                                                          But as I said in another post if per allergies are potentially so lethal (via anaphylaxis rather than asthma) why do so many pet owners continue to keep their pets - I think about 30% of pet owners have allergies. People allergic to nuts don't take risks because they like the taste....?

                                                                                                          1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                            " Many anaphylactic reactions are idiopathic,"

                                                                                                            Idiopathic is code for "you have something I don't believe in nor understand and won't take the time to investigate."

                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                              No, it means doctors by and large don't have powers of divination.

                                                                                                    2. re: PhilD

                                                                                                      And to add something else to reflect on. Lots of pet owners have allergies to their pets - I can't find the stats but it's a surprisingly high number.

                                                                                                      Contrast that with the number of people who suffer from nut allergies who deliberately eat nuts - my guess is zero.

                                                                                                      Now why is this? If pets were so risky for those with allergies, with a risk of anaphylaxis would anyone with an allergy own one?

                                                                                                  4. re: PhilD

                                                                                                    If my son spends the night in a home with a dog or cat, he often ends up with a week-long cold that can develop into a case of bronchitis. If a dog licks him, he will break out in terrible hives. It's too bad, because we all love animals.

                                                                                                    His allergist has advised us to avoid all contact as much as possible, because his allergies are of the type that become more and more severe with exposure. She also says that antihistimines won't keep him from experiencing the bronchial effects of the allergy.

                                                                                                    We live in a country where dogs are allowed in a lot of restaurants. It's never been a big issue. We try to steer clear and most people keep their well-behaved dogs on a very short leash and don't let them interact with other patrons.

                                                                                                    The only problem we've ever really had was in California (San Francisco) where we seemed to be magnets for dogs running loose and being left to roam among tables unattended. For the first time, I sort of wished someone would crack down in favor of the humans.

                                                                                                    1. re: butterfly

                                                                                                      Yeah, NOT OKAY that they be roaming freely in a restaurant.
                                                                                                      Leashed and short one at that!

                                                                                                      1. re: butterfly

                                                                                                        Colds are caused by virus's and cannot be transmitted to humans from dogs and cats. It sounds like what you are referring to could be allergic or non allergic rhinitis.

                                                                                                        1. re: butterfly

                                                                                                          Hopefully, time will buffer the effects of dogs on your son.
                                                                                                          I know I tested (+) for dogs, and have 3 now!

                                                                                                          Cats are another story, though ;(

                                                                                                    2. re: PhilD

                                                                                                      Yes! Some people are that allergic to dogs! Allergies vary in severity. Some people sneeze, some get asthma, some get sick and die. Being sympathetic to people who need service dogs is no excuse for being callous to people who are allergic to dogs.

                                                                                                      1. re: bachchick

                                                                                                        Who is being callous to people with allergies? I am very sympathetic - I am just saying I don't see any evidence of anaphalaxis as a result of a pet allergy.

                                                                                                        1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                          YOU don't have to see any evidence.

                                                                                                          The folks who suffer these allergies and their medical professionals are the only ones who need to see the evidence -- and as per my post just above, they obviously are satisfied with the evidence.

                                                                                                          YOU need to accept that it might just be real.

                                                                                                          1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                            Perhaps you can provide data to reference?

                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                              Perhaps you could, too?

                                                                                                              I can't be bothered because the fact that they have an epipen is enough evidence for me.

                                                                                                              I'm not a doctor, I'm not an allergist, and I don't consider myself entitled to nor qualified to make a judgement about someone else's medical records.

                                                                                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                Just asking a question.

                                                                                                                If the answer is no, just say so.

                                                                                                                I wasn't challenging you. I simply was curious and in no way was asking for anyone's medical records.

                                                                                                                If personal testimonial is rigorous enough for you, so be it.

                                                                                                                I tend to be more academic and appreciate scientific data.

                                                                                                                Oh well...

                                                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                  I have zero motivation to provide research.

                                                                                                                  I have zero motivation to assume people AND their doctors are full of shit.

                                                                                                                  Why do you make that assumption?

                                                                                                            2. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                              Why can't I ask for evidence? If someone wants to ban pets from public areas (or cut down trees to eliminate acorns) I think its fair to ask for the documented evidence behind it rather than simply believe anecdotes.

                                                                                                              If it is such a common risk its not going to be difficult to produce the documented evidence is it.....?

                                                                                                              1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                                there are people on this thread who have replied that they indeed have these allergies.

                                                                                                                They have indicated that they are not obligated to share their personal medical history with a complete stranger over the internet. This is completely (and understandably) their right.

                                                                                                                Perhaps you could contact a university or research center to carry on this dogged search for a whack job.

                                                                                                                1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                  I don't want any medical records and have no interest in them.

                                                                                                                  I would simply like to be pointed to some research literature or case studies on this subject. Given how pervasive pet allergies are, and how serious anaphylaxis is, there should be lots of it around.....I can't find it.

                                                                                                                  1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                                    Once upon a time, this thread was about "disgusting" dogs in it has turned into a diatribe on ppl with allergies and idiots who push the service dog category to the max

                                                                                                                    Keep it on thread or it will go in the CH hopper.......there's other places for rants and raves


                                                                                                                    1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                                                                                                      FCF - well this part stems from claims that dogs should be banned from restaurants because people have allergies to them which could have an anaphylactic reaction. So its directly related.

                                                                                                                    2. re: PhilD

                                                                                                                      How dare you ask someone to support their outrage with actual peer reviewed studies LOL.

                                                                                                                      1. re: rasputina

                                                                                                                        have any of you stopped to realize that the articles you seek just *might* be behind a pay or membership wall?

                                                                                                                        I'll agree that an allergy to animals of this severity is certainly rare, and so the research is probably quite limited, simply by the small sample size in existence..but unless you have access to every academic library that is published (many of which have severely limited access) you simply cannot say that there is no evidence.

                                                                                                                        It also might not exist on the internet at all...believe it or not, there are recent electronic documents in existence that haven't been published on the internet, for any of a number of reasons.

                                                                                                                        You can say that you aren't finding it....but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

                                                                                                                        As above...if your curiousity is killing you to that extent, contact a hospital, research facility, or university...they might be able to direct you to what you so desperately seek.

                                                                                                                        and with this, I'm finished with this discussion.

                                                                                                3. re: latindancer

                                                                                                  It would also be horribly unfair to a pet. Some people are odd indeed.

                                                                                            2. There was a long thread about this recently. You better get used to it because I read recently that it's a trend to allow dogs in restaurants.

                                                                                              1. Not that this will please you but in France 'everyone' brings their dogs into restaurants. I can't honestly imAgine how a diner holding a dog could be 'offensive.' Do you find babies being held offensive as well? As to 'potentially unhealthy' i would think that, if poop and pee are what worry you, a baby is about 100% more likely to do those things while in a restaurant-- than a dog .
                                                                                                Your reaction reminds me that we humans can be so very different in so many things (but then we often forget that we just as often or more often than not, share so many things. ) I myself would be THRILLED to see dogs in restaurants, as I am a total animal lover. One of my fav things about vacationing in Carmel CA is the fact that it is a dog loving town where most walkers have dogs with them and some hotels welcome animals as well. I do know that some people do not share my affinity with animals, but if the dogs lie quietly, I see no reason to bar them.

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                                                                                                1. re: opinionatedchef

                                                                                                  <I am a total animal lover>

                                                                                                  So am I.
                                                                                                  So are lots of people, including the ones who understand and follow the law and understand the people at the next table who may not be a 'total animal lover'.
                                                                                                  Interestingly, along these same lines, I was at a restaurant in BH recently, eating breakfast with a friend. We were sitting outside on the patio.
                                                                                                  The lady and man next to us brought 2 of their big dogs along (both on leashes and not permitted to eat there) and the dogs both jumped up on my friend without being invited. My friend, also a dog lover, calmly asked the owners to get their f*&ing dogs off her.
                                                                                                  Not everyone likes eating with dogs in a restaurant, regardless of how much they love animals.

                                                                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                    Agree. I don't mind dogs in restaurants or bars, however there is a big difference between a dog lying under the table and one sitting on a seat or being fed from a plate on someones lap.

                                                                                                    However, must disagree with Opinionatedchef: "As to 'potentially unhealthy' i would think that, if poop and pee are what worry you, a baby is about 100% more likely to do those things while in a restaurant-- than a dog".

                                                                                                    As far as I know babies don'r excrete the same worms that dogs do and so you don't risk infections with roundworms etc. So whilst both poop but the dogs poop can be quite dangerous to humans if worm larvae are ingested i.e. from a plate licked by a dog (and we all know where dogs put their noses).

                                                                                                    1. re: PhilD

                                                                                                      Not to gang up on Opinionatedchef, but I to would have to take exception to that statistic of a child or baby being 100% more likely. That's a stretch to me, let alone the fact that 99% of babies who would do that in a restaurant the movement, either liquid or solid, is self contained. I don't know of many dog's who are wearing diapers.

                                                                                                      Truthfully I just don't see the comparison at all.

                                                                                                  2. re: opinionatedchef

                                                                                                    <I>Do you find babies being held offensive as well? </i>

                                                                                                    No, but babies don't usually lick themselves "down there" then give you a kiss.

                                                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                      they do finger-paint with feces and stick their hands in your mouth to say hi, though :-) my best friend growing up in california once ate a rotting bullfrog off our driveway after it got hit by a car. it'd been there a couple days. his brother used to follow their beagle around waiting for it to poop, then eat the poop. kids can be pretty gross! ;-)

                                                                                                      1. re: chartreauxx

                                                                                                        Are you serious? Where the hell were the kid's parents? That level of inattention borders on neglect.

                                                                                                          1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                            Coworker who grew up in Louisiana in the '50s loves to regale me with stories of riding his bike behind the DDT truck that sprayed roads down. And who hasn't cracked open a thermometer and juggled the mercury? Like shoefitting fluoroscopes, the smell of burning autumn leaves, and sanitary napkin belts, it's just something the younger people will never experience. I weep for them.

                                                                                                            1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                              +1 on Mercury. Fascinating, morphing shit.

                                                                                                              1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                Kids, never lament the loss of sanitary napkin belts. They were a PITA.

                                                                                                              2. re: INDIANRIVERFL

                                                                                                                The good ol' days! We learned on our own a lot.

                                                                                                              3. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                                well, the bullfrog happened while both our moms were standing in the driveway with us, and the dog thing had his mom tearing her hair out. it's not inattention - it's kids. he did stop trying to eat dog "cookies" by the time he was around two i believe, and at the time of the frog incident we were about 3. old enough to move fast, too young to have any judgment, perfect age to gray any parents' hair! the brother my age and i are still friends, and i think fondly of both his parents.

                                                                                                                one son (the one my age) is a physical therapist. his brother (the dog doo kid) is a doctor. go figure :-)

                                                                                                                1. re: chartreauxx

                                                                                                                  Anything can happen, but letting your kid eat dog crap is a bit much.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                                    i think to suggest his parents, friends for years who often babysat me, are abusive or neglectful is a bit much. they were good parents, and she didn't "let" him, he occasionally snuck one by her.

                                                                                                                    1. re: chartreauxx

                                                                                                                      <Shrugs> in my world if a kid is eating dog crap that's neglectful.


                                                                                                                      1. re: chartreauxx

                                                                                                                        I used to babysit a lot in college. When one of my charges learned to walk her parents told me to keep the bathroom door closed at all times... because she liked to toddle in there and lick the toilet!

                                                                                                                        She's all grown up now and perfectly normal. :)

                                                                                                                        Kids can be strange little creatures sometimes. ;)

                                                                                                                        1. re: thingmaker

                                                                                                                          speaking of kids being weird, as a child my favorite snack that i "invented" myself as soon as i could use a butter knife and pour from a carton (steel yourself...) was a white bread peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwich with a glass of heavy cream. i kind of throw up in my mouth a little just thinking about it now. the toilet might be less disgusting! (i kids, i kids)

                                                                                                                          1. re: chartreauxx

                                                                                                                            My little brother was a fan of PB and mayo sandwiches. I took one bit and was not amused.

                                                                                                            2. re: opinionatedchef

                                                                                                              These things just don't seem comparable. It's common to leave pets home unattended (rather than taking them to a restaurant). Babies? Well, that's frowned upon.

                                                                                                              1. re: opinionatedchef

                                                                                                                I'm an animal lover, too. This issue never breaks down as animal lovers on one side, non lovers on the other.

                                                                                                                I would never bring any animal of mine to a restaurant or any other public place not intended for them.

                                                                                                                I'm more concerned about flea or tick exposure than anything else, plus some "animal lovers" don't notice nor care how bad their critters smell and bring them along everywhere anyway.

                                                                                                                1. re: opinionatedchef

                                                                                                                  When we traveled in Germany a few years ago, people took their dogs almost everywhere, We saw them quite a bit in restaurants and on the train. I must say, however, they way exceptionally well trained and well behaved, and there was none of the kissy-face, lovin' the dog up action that I have seen described here. The dogs sat by their owner's feet, or under the table, and were virtually invisible. Personally, I wouldn't take my my dog to a restaurant on a bet -- I have enough trouble just getting my husband to behave ; )

                                                                                                                  1. re: opinionatedchef

                                                                                                                    In France I saw dogs in supermarkets sitting in shopping carts with their wormy bottoms exactly where I put my lettuce and unwrapped loaf of bread. This is disgusting as well as a health hazard. And no, I do not welcome screaming babies in restaurants either, with their parents changing poopy diapers on the seat of the booth next to where I am having dinner, or snotty-nosed toddlers who nuzzle my knee while I am eating. The entitlement of dog owners and young parents is beyond belief.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Querencia

                                                                                                                      It's illegal to take dogs into supermarkets in France, too....although those canines taken into supermarkets are pampered and cosseted to a level that mon dieu, there's not a chance in hell that they'd have worms.

                                                                                                                      I'd take bigger issue with the fact that you're buying your baguette in the supermarket.

                                                                                                                  2. I thought the law was that only service dogs can be allowed inside restaurants.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                                                      That's my understanding too..service dogs only allowed in restaurants

                                                                                                                      . restaurants can allow non service dogs on an outdoor patio.

                                                                                                                      Here's a link to a recent Globe piece which discusses service dogs and how they might not be what some have traditionally thought of as a service dog.


                                                                                                                      1. re: 9lives

                                                                                                                        That's what pisses me off. People spend a lot time and money training service animals. Service animals help peoples feel like they are part of society. They are an extension of the person they with.

                                                                                                                        As someone currently looking for a pet friendly apartment in the Boston area I get how tempting it is to say "it's a support pet". And as someone who travels I would love to save money by taking my pet for free on the plane as a "support pet". And I'm sure that I could get a doctor to sign the proper documents. I know people who have. But I won't.

                                                                                                                        1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                                          DH and I are training our puppy very hard and diligently (and expensively!) to be a therapy dog- to pass the Canine Good Citizen Test, and help others for many years to come.
                                                                                                                          It. Is. Hard.
                                                                                                                          It. Is. Work.
                                                                                                                          It. Is. Commitment.
                                                                                                                          It. Is A Lot Of Time!

                                                                                                                          So, yeah, it pisses me off too ;)

                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                            oh my gosh, we are working toward the same thing! it is why i'd never fib about her being one if she's not - it's insulting to the dogs and handlers who've earned the designation.

                                                                                                                          2. re: viperlush

                                                                                                                            I wouldn't either and I'm a very loyal and committed rescue dog(s) owner. I love my animals.

                                                                                                                            I wish more people were like you.
                                                                                                                            Unfortunately the people who offend the law are self-serving and their sense of entitlement overshadows their ability or desire to tell the truth.

                                                                                                                            1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                              So true.
                                                                                                                              If and when we pass the CGC test, we will wear it as a badge of honor and use it to help others, not wielding any sense of entitlement by taking our puppy where he ought not be.
                                                                                                                              Personally, I find food shopping (big shops) soothing and I'm in the "zone", so I can't imagine my dog there!

                                                                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                A therapy dog certification comes with a tag or collar or vest or other designation, but it does not, and never has, entitled a dog entry to a store or other place of business that does not permit customers to bring their dogs. This was made very clear to the dog owners in the group to which my late dog belonged. In groups of 6 or so dogs and owners, we visited nursing and assisted living homes, day care programs for both children and seniors, and special needs elementary school classes.

                                                                                                                                At one point, there were negotiations about visiting children at a major Boston Hospital. But the hospital was proposing such stringent rules that most of us were not interested in participating. The dogs would have to be shampooed within X hours beforehand, with a medicated shampoo specified by the hospital, then wear shirts that covered their entire torsoes. I had the feeling that the hospital had been asked by parents to allow canine visits but was terrified of liability so was setting up every roadblock it could come up with. If memory serves, they were even going to require us owners, at our own expense, to get special insurance for our dogs.

                                                                                                                                1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                  A therapy dog is not a guide dog, or the like, of course.
                                                                                                                                  I would never think that once certified, my dog would be entitled to go everywhere I go.
                                                                                                                                  That's ridiculous, but I'm betting people flash that collar or vest and abuse it.

                                                                                                                                  I'm a PT, so I'm very excited to pair that clinical experience with my dog, to help patients and people.

                                                                                                                                  My puppy just graduated from puppy class, and we're on to the next level!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                    Congratulations, monavano.
                                                                                                                                    To you and your puppy.

                                                                                                                                    I've watched my own dog (not a therapy dog but certainly is for us) sit with a special needs adult who may have petted her to death had we not intervened.
                                                                                                                                    This person, a relative, sat for a long, long time with our dog and petted and talked to her, as if they had some secret thing going on. Very symbiotic.
                                                                                                                                    There's no doubt in my mind her blood pressure was lowered and her whole being was quenched with some very positive, much needed calmness.
                                                                                                                                    Amazing to watch.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                                      My little puppy adores people and is showing signs of maturing from his Whirling Dervish phase.
                                                                                                                                      Neutering him next month should help, too!.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                                        Thx so much for that. I loved hearing that story.

                                                                                                                            1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                                                              It takes literally nothing to get a service dog badge online.

                                                                                                                              And it cannot be challenged without risking a violation of the ADA.

                                                                                                                              Crazy but true.

                                                                                                                              1. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                Notably, however, no epidemic of fake service dogs.

                                                                                                                                1. re: enhF94

                                                                                                                                  I don't know about an epidemic, but I have two friends who've done this and have absolutely zero need for a service dog. They did it for fun, and now take their dogs with them into restaurants and stores.

                                                                                                                                  In fact it is hard for me to imagine how the dinky dogs that typically have the badge can perform any service at all. I wonder about the % legit service dogs.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                    A couple of years ago when looking for a new puppy, we looked at some Scottish Terriers. The bitch was an epilepsy service dog, at category covered under ADA. At least that's what the owner said, and I have no reason to doubt her.

                                                                                                                                    While size matters with guide dogs, for other categories, it doesn't. Small might in fact be better for some jobs.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                      there are small dogs that sense seizures and anxiety attacks -- ours is not to judge.

                                                                                                                                      I do, however, thank my lucky stars that while I like taking my boys where they are welcomed, I don't have a medical need that dictates that they be by my side 24/7.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                      See, this is the sorta thing that makes me want to hire a helper monkey that's a 300lb Barbary Ape in a yellow vest and when he's eaten your fake service dog's face, I can say, "He's very friendly! He likes your dog!"

                                                                                                                                      1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                        If you are accepting applications I fit the bill, including my own yellow vest.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici


                                                                                                                                          Makes me think of that Addams Family episode when they get a gorilla to do the ironing. :)

                                                                                                                                  2. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                                                                    It varies from state to state, and even county to county.