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May 15, 2014 01:55 PM

Non-celiac gluten sensitivity does NOT exist.

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  1. Having just returned from a month in France, I found it very interesting to see how little gluten-free there was and how much 'regular' baking was being eaten by everyone, with seemingly no difficulties.

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    1. re: ClaireLS

      so what. you can make the same individual small scope anectodal worthless strawman observation here.

    2. I'd be skeptical and "follow the money" on all these studies. Who's funding them?

        1. re: JTPhilly

          The old discussion is no longer valid. Read about the new study and its author.

          1. re: law_doc89

            yeah I read it, my opinions on prior thread remain the same - it was never the gluten

            1. re: law_doc89

              That thread does discuss the new Monash paper.

          2. A family member has been able to manage his arthritis mostly drug free due to going gluten free. When he breaks the rules, has pizza or a sandwich, he feels it. So to say that it does not exist is either a lie or calling on my family members personal experience and integrity. Trust me, when he says, "I'm ganna pay for this tomorrow" he means it.

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            1. re: Bellachefa

              the study speaks to gastrointestinal issues, not RA

              1. re: JTPhilly

                The title of this thread suggests non-celiac gluten sensitivity does NOT exhist. It is that and the article, including the articles title, I am responding to.

                And I did not define the type of arthritis, so why would you jump to conclusions?

                1. re: Bellachefa

                  Funny, I was going to point out that Rheumatoid arthritis conclusion as well...

                  By the way, my joints are also worse when I eat wheat (osteoarthritis from before I was a teenager here). So's my digestive problems. I never claimed it was the gluten, but I *am* claiming it's the wheat.

              2. re: Bellachefa

                Lots of folks pay for eating wheat who aren't gluten sensitive, especially with arthralgia. He may be better just due to cutting starches, too.

                Been there, done that myself. Aches, pains, joint stiffness, asthma, irritable bowel, GERD are among things that almost immediately disappear or are greatly improved when folks stop eating starches.

              3. Sorry, but a study with all of 37 participants is not a large enough sample group to Anything.

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                1. re: Ttrockwood

                  scientifically no it is not a big enough control group

                  BUT -

                  all participants were self-reported gluten intolerant and did not display any sensitivity to gluten - so what it does prove is that people are misguided and misled into self diagnosis or being misdiagnosed.

                  1. re: JTPhilly

                    I think they're drawing the wrong inference from improvements that come from cutting out grains. I got them, too, but not due to gluten issues, I eat high gluten, but low starch foods no problem.

                      1. re: magiesmom

                        A lot of low carb wraps are high in gluten.

                        1. re: mcf

                          Oh I see. I thought you meant other things for some reason.
                          I was thinking about Field Roast.

                          1. re: magiesmom

                            I used to eat seitan when I was eating vegan or vegetarian, too, but not currently.

                              1. re: magiesmom

                                I ate all sorts of ersatz meat crap when I was on those stupid diets.

                                Seitan could be made palatable, but I sure don't go looking for it now. I never heard of Field Roast; YECCH.

                                I think if you're desperate for, or willing to eat grain "meat," your body is telling you to go out for a ribeye steak.

                                1. re: mcf

                                  I agree about the "ersatz meat". And I'm a looong time vegetarian.

                                  When I gave up meat (decades ago) I never missed it. Never craved ribeye or bacon. And I find the "faux meats" revolting.

                                  Different physiology perhaps? Humans are interesting.

                                  p.s. the one good use for a faux-meat produce is social: taking veggie burgers to a cookout for instance. Human interaction is good.

                                  1. re: pedalfaster

                                    It's kind of ironic, though, trying to make veg foods that replicate the meat one is eschewing. When I have folks over and I'm grilling, I always have a cheese tortellini salad with feta, olives and tomato and caprese salad, at least two veg sources of protein and yum. There are always grilled veggies and other sides, too. Thank dog no vegans have shown up. Yet. :-)

                                  2. re: mcf

                                    I eat meat but have many friends who do not and Field roast is actually delicious.

                                  3. re: magiesmom

                                    I hate fake meat but love kao fu. I can't stop eating it when my MIL makes it.


                                    1. re: chowser

                                      I think I'd probably like it fine. It's not trying to be Mock Duck in that dish.

                      2. re: Ttrockwood

                        I suppose we could take a few thousand people and keep them in a confined situation where their input and output are carefully controlled, but a lot of people would object to that.

                        1. re: Ttrockwood

                          Do you know how many were in his previous study that demonstrated a link? I assumer its is a similar number.

                          And whilst the number of people was small the methodology seems robust and thus points in an interesting direction especially the conclusions about the Nocebo effect and FODMAP's.

                          Much of the information about the effect of Gluten is anecdotal or from non-blind, non-controlled studies so lets be thankful for some scientific rigour at last.

                          1. re: PhilD

                            Many interesting nutrition/diet studies are even smaller. As you say, they point to interesting avenues to be further researched.

                          2. re: Ttrockwood

                            I am surprised a journal published a study with so few participants.

                            1. re: blackpointyboots

                              Well the original very widely accepted study that demonstrated a link between Gluten and GI symptoms only had 34 patients. These are complex double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, re-challenge trials and thus are tricky to do with hundreds of participants.

                              If you look at the research methodology and pedigree of the authors it seems pretty sound. So definitely some important research to add to the canon of work in this area.

                              1. re: blackpointyboots

                                They publish case studies with one subject, too, based upon a unique event, characteristic or discovery. Lots of studies are smaller than this; funding comes later if it finds something very new worthy of it.