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What parts of a pig should I ask for: not the meat, tho?

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hscsusiq May 3, 2014 07:22 AM

DB is butchering a pig this week, what parts should I ask for? I want his family to get the meat, but I want all the other parts.
So far I will get the head, hopefully split. I've also asked for all the bones, tail, trotters, liver, pancreas. Should I ask for the skin? Belly? I'm sure there's more.

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    ChiliDude RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 07:43 AM

    I'm not able to give you advice about the parts that you mentioned, but I had pork liver only once many years ago. It had a very gamy flavor which I did not like, and have not had it since that time. It will needs some special rub or mixture of herbs to get rid of the gamy flavor.

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      Cheez62 RE: ChiliDude May 4, 2014 05:59 PM

      I've never had pork liver by itself, but my father makes an old family recipe for a dish that was always eaten for breakfast - think "scrapple" kind of thing, but different. I love it, and have noticed no gamy flavor.

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        FattyDumplin RE: ChiliDude May 5, 2014 12:38 PM

        i prep for pig liver is to thinly slice it then make a soup of it with ginger, scallion and not much else... the fresher the better and the ginger, my guess is, takes away some of the gaminess... http://chowtimes.com/2008/08/30/pork-...

      2. rudeboy RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 08:22 AM

        Did a little searching and found this useful link. Scroll down and you will see plenty of variety meats, including rectum (which I've seen packaged for sale in my Asian market).

        About por liver, it is an essential ingredient in Louisiana boudin. My family made and sold it when I was growing up.

        Here's the link (pdf is safe):

        http://www.usmef.org/IMM/imm_pork/7_i...

        1. sunshine842 RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 08:47 AM

          If you get the head (helllo, head cheese) -- you'll also get the cheeks -- the treasure of the whole pig.

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            Bada Bing RE: sunshine842 May 5, 2014 10:47 AM

            Are pork cheeks akin to beef cheeks--meaning they would have a very singular kind of texture/structure?

            I found beef cheeks flavorful but not especially appealing as regards texture for something like pot-roast. Of course, if you shred the meat finely for some other purpose, that wouldn't be an issue.

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              hotoynoodle RE: Bada Bing May 5, 2014 10:57 AM

              guanciale comes from the pork cheeks.

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                Bada Bing RE: hotoynoodle May 5, 2014 12:56 PM

                Yes. Love guanciale for Bucatini (or other pasta) all'Amatriciana. But it does require being cured, which is, for people, in most climates, doable.

                I wonder what similarly cured beef cheeks would be like?

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                  Veggo RE: Bada Bing May 5, 2014 01:10 PM

                  Beef cheeks, or cachete de res, are so tender they really don't need much help. They are usually a premium priced taco meat when you can find them.

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                    Bada Bing RE: Veggo May 5, 2014 01:16 PM

                    Tender, no doubt. But they lack the kind of muscle structure that one finds in even the most cartilaginous cuts of beef, like chuck or shank or short rib. The one time I made a pot roast from beef cheek, the taste was fine, but the meat texture was halfway between tender chuck and jello.

                    Not that there's anything intrinsically wrong with that, but it made me feel that I wouldn't re-do beef cheek for a preparation in which some structural interest is part of the picture. Or maybe I overdid them....

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                      Veggo RE: Bada Bing May 5, 2014 01:19 PM

                      I think that is why they are best suited for tacos rather than a stand alone plated item.

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                Harters RE: Bada Bing May 5, 2014 03:08 PM

                Pig cheeks are very suitable for a long braise. I find them fairly easily in the supermarket (although not free-range or organic ones) and they're so cheap.

                I usually cook them to this Mark Sargeant recipe (although the amount of honey needs consdierably cutting down to around 2 tablespoons): http://uktv.co.uk/food/recipe/aid/586366

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                  sunshine842 RE: Bada Bing May 5, 2014 06:37 PM

                  I make braises from both pig and beef cheeks -- they're succulent, have nice texture, and wow flavor.

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                rasputina RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 08:59 AM

                Well I'd get the all the lard I could and have him separate out the leaf lard from the rest.

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                  drsmoke RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 09:02 AM

                  If you can get the Belly, grab it! Make your own Bacon.

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                    Harters RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 10:15 AM

                    Pork liver is essential to most pate de campagne recipes. There's nothing else with quite the same amount of, erm, liveriness. I find it freezes well, so make a big batch and freeze in portions.

                    When you say "belly", do you mean the stomach or the roasting joint? If the latter, wouldnt the family be claiming it as part of the "meat"? Not sure what I'd do with a pig's stomach.

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                      Veggo RE: Harters May 3, 2014 10:25 AM

                      Pig's stomach uses? A bota bag for wine, or an ammo pouch.

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                        Harters RE: Veggo May 3, 2014 10:37 AM

                        I must ask the Spanish brother in law. The family always used to hold a matanza - the annual pig-killing event. I know most of the offal gets used quickly in the "frit de matanza" (and I can vouch that the lungs are unpleasantly chewy). Don't know about the stomach but they're bound to have had a use for it.

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                          SWISSAIRE RE: Veggo May 4, 2014 05:30 PM

                          Saumagen, a German form of Hog Maw, or stuffed pig stomach can be made from the stomach.

                          " Saumagen stuffing consists of potatoes, carrots and pork, usually spiced with onions, marjoram, nutmeg and white pepper, in addition to which, various recipes also mention cloves, coriander, thyme, garlic, bay leaf, cardamom, basil, caraway, allspice, and parsley. "

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saumagen

                          It is pretty tasty.

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                          cleobeach RE: Harters May 4, 2014 04:31 PM

                          Stuffed pigs stomach is a popular PA (Dutch) German dish. My local grocery store often has stomachs in the meat case.

                          Growing up I was never a fan and I can't remember the ingredients aside from potatoes. Mr. CB loves it. The presentation looks impressive.

                          I'll look for an authentic recipe and post it but I am sure you can find something via google.

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                            SWISSAIRE RE: cleobeach May 4, 2014 05:40 PM

                            Hallo Cleo -

                            Here is a link you might enjoy from a German site, with photos, start to finish on Saumagen.

                            http://www.erfweiler2.de/UDN/UDN8_Sau...

                            It can probably be translated via Google, etc. Most informative.

                            This would make a good Fall or Winter project in the kitchen, but when the opportunity presents itself, go for it !

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                              cleobeach RE: SWISSAIRE May 5, 2014 10:39 AM

                              My German is rusty but I could read most of the recipe so I am feeling pretty good about myself today!

                              This article describes the style I remember -

                              http://articles.mcall.com/1988-09-21/...

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                                SWISSAIRE RE: cleobeach May 5, 2014 02:57 PM

                                Hi cleobeach-

                                That is a good article.

                                No measurements Hmmm.....By memory, apparently.

                                The comment " ... like a barnyard " is quite correct. "

                                Same with cleaning tripe ( I use a weak bleach solution ).

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                                  cleobeach RE: SWISSAIRE May 5, 2014 05:48 PM

                                  Yes, the like a barnyard comment brought back less than desirable memories!

                                  My born and raised farmer's daughter and later farmer's wife grandmother left behind offal or what she considered to be "poor" food as soon as family economics allowed. This was not uncommon where I grew up, some families clung to tradition, some didn't. My German father, on the other hand loved all organ meats and never missed a chance to partake. Filled or stuffed pig stomach was a common dish at friends and neighbors homes as well as church and community dinners.

                                  My husband's aunt was a real "Dutchie" and she very much a pinch and a handful type of cook. When my husband asked her to write down some recipes, she struggled to "convert" to real measurements.

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                                    melpy RE: cleobeach May 6, 2014 09:30 AM

                                    My in-laws fill it with sausage, potatoes and a little bit of cabbage. Stuff it into the well cleaned belly and put in a pot with a little water and cook until the outside starts to brown. Slice and serve.

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                                      cleobeach RE: melpy May 6, 2014 05:27 PM

                                      I remember some versions with sausage. No doubt the recipes varied from family to family.

                        3. EatFoodGetMoney RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 10:23 AM

                          All the bones
                          Lard and leaf lard
                          Skin
                          Liver
                          Head is the big part imo, those cheeks are pure gold.

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                            sedimental RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 04:11 PM

                            Leaf lard!
                            There is nothing like it.

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                              hscsusiq RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 04:12 PM

                              Thanks to you all!

                              1. i_am_Lois RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 07:53 PM

                                You could make scrapple with all your ingredients. I've heard tell scrapple contains everything but the squeal.

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                                  hill food RE: i_am_Lois May 4, 2014 05:52 PM

                                  Lois - I'm fairly sure scrapple includes the squeal too.

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                                  andrewtree RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 08:53 PM

                                  Pan fry the thinly sliced liver breadcrumbed with some seasoned masa harina. Pig liver is the liver of choice for me between pig, lamb, beef and goat. The heart is also delicious, a little too tough even when cooked slowly. I grind it and add with some ground back fat to ground pork to make chorizo. It's also great as an addition to burger or meatloaf, though as it's so lean it's good to add extra fat. The kidneys are delicious, need to be cooked very carefully or they get tough. I soften an equal weight of sliced mushrooms in some lard, then add the cored and sliced kidney. Some barbecue or chile sauce goes well as the kidney flavor is strong and distinctive.

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                                    grayelf RE: andrewtree May 4, 2014 05:21 PM

                                    Plus one on the pork kidney -- like other filtering organs, it needs to be cleaned scrupulously, and andrew's advice on the speedy cook time is spot on. There's a great Sichuan dish whose name is quite poetic: fire exploded pork kidney flowers (see: http://kake.dreamwidth.org/112156.html) that is quite craveable.

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                                    ricepad RE: hscsusiq May 3, 2014 10:50 PM

                                    Ask for everything they're not keeping for themselves (hard to imagine they're not going to keep the belly, tho!). Then come back and let us know what you may need help using.

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                                      Joebob RE: ricepad May 4, 2014 12:21 PM

                                      Yes, there are many wonderful Asian pork belly recipes.

                                    2. hill food RE: hscsusiq May 4, 2014 05:51 PM

                                      and in the head are also the brains (wash and remove the membrane, slice and saute in whatever sounds good - I'd pick butter, white wine and herbs) during the BSE period, what few places that still served brains went over to pork.

                                      skin? why not if you like cracklin's. Laura Ingalls Wilder's Pa would save the bladder on butcher day to blow up like a balloon for the girls to play with. if you have the patience for the multiple soakings and washings required you might consider chitlins (chitterlings) or as casings for your own sausage...

                                      1. mtlcowgirl RE: hscsusiq May 4, 2014 06:20 PM

                                        Don't eschew the trotters. They are a national dish here in Quebec. You can google the recipes. Aww, now I'm all hungry.

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                                          c oliver RE: mtlcowgirl May 5, 2014 03:18 PM

                                          We have a local restaurant that always has trotters in some form on their menu. GREAT!

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                                          Muddirtt RE: hscsusiq May 5, 2014 04:08 AM

                                          Oooh, I see a homemade chorizo in the making!

                                          1. Bada Bing RE: hscsusiq May 5, 2014 10:48 AM

                                            Leaf lard in particular is something to call for, as it's hard to locate commercially.

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                                              FattyDumplin RE: hscsusiq May 5, 2014 12:35 PM

                                              the intestines, both small and large. the ears. the heart. the blood. the stomach. all are PoP (parts of pig) that I ate growing up as a chubby chinese kid. depends how adventurous you can get... some ideas though...

                                              large intestines - deep fried. need to be very thoroughly cleaned...
                                              small intestings - boiled. with ginger, soy dipping sauce.
                                              ears - boiled, then chilled and mixed with garlic, green onion, soy and sesame oil.
                                              blood - pudding. some dish called wu gen chang wang, which is pickled mustard greesn, large intestgines and blood pudding in a spicy almost stew...
                                              stomach - same as ears.

                                              yeah, i know, off the wall a bit if you're not used ot it, but wanted to at least throw it out there for you.

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                                                hill food RE: FattyDumplin May 5, 2014 05:17 PM

                                                ears are also very popular with dogs as a chew toy - but roast them first or their breath will be deadly.

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                                                  c oliver RE: hill food May 5, 2014 05:24 PM

                                                  We've had this prep of pig ears at a fave Chinese spot:

                                                  Chilli Oil Thin Sliced Pig's Ear

                                                  Very tasty.

                                                  We've had really good pig intestines and most recently some that we just too "funky" tasting :( Must not have been cleaned well enough.

                                                  BTW and OT for this discussion: Beef cheeks are very tough until braised.

                                              2. Gastronomos RE: hscsusiq May 5, 2014 05:55 PM

                                                Pork bung - indistinguishable from calamari

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                                                  Muddirtt RE: hscsusiq May 5, 2014 06:10 PM

                                                  Eat the heart ASAP. Godlike on a fresh kill.

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                                                    hotoynoodle RE: Muddirtt May 5, 2014 07:34 PM

                                                    yeah, we had some GREAT lamb heart tonight.

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                                                      c oliver RE: hotoynoodle May 5, 2014 07:37 PM

                                                      We're buying a lamb soon. Could you elaborate on cooking the heart please? TIA.

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                                                        Muddirtt RE: c oliver May 6, 2014 09:20 AM

                                                        I don't know any gourmet ways. For deer, it's over the fire while processing the game in the field. Pretty traditional. Rabbit and squirrel, it's the first thing in the fry pan at home. Nothing too fancy. Never had a hog heart, nor do I know of any fancy recipes.

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                                                          hill food RE: Muddirtt May 6, 2014 04:46 PM

                                                          DON'T crock-pot-roast it - mom did that with a deer heart once and since that muscle is so lean it was worse than her usual shoe leather. whatever you do you might even want to bard it like a pheasant.

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                                                            c oliver RE: hill food May 6, 2014 04:51 PM

                                                            Hopefully hotoynoodle will weigh in also. I've had beef and chicken hearts many times and loved them.

                                                  2. melpy RE: hscsusiq May 6, 2014 09:27 AM

                                                    Stomach-so you can make hog maw!

                                                    1. BananaBirkLarsen RE: hscsusiq May 6, 2014 05:58 PM

                                                      If they don't consider the belly to be meat, perhaps they're also willing to part with the shanks? Smoke them for ham hocks or braise them in all kinds of delicious sauces.

                                                      1. grieftrip RE: hscsusiq May 7, 2014 03:50 PM

                                                        I would request the back fat. I really want to try my hand at curing lardo charcuterie. Also, the brains! Yum!

                                                        www.grieftrip.com

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                                                          Muddirtt RE: hscsusiq May 9, 2014 05:57 PM

                                                          If they'll give a hock or two away, take it. The parts around the ankles make for the best bone-in ham and bean soup. They might need an axe or hacksaw to get it loose from the shoulder or rear though.

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                                                            seamunky RE: hscsusiq May 11, 2014 01:20 AM

                                                            ask for everything else....including the blood

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