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LA is not mentioned a good city for foodies or so says Conde Naste Traveler:


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  1. Not even worth looking at - just another "click thru" to get their numerous ad pages in front you.

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    1. re: scoopG

      While I was surprised that LA was not mentioned, I still appreciated the list as I have been to many of those cities. There were a couple of sleepers in there too like Carmel, CA.

      1. re: orythedog

        And sleeper is the correct selection of words to describe Carmel.
        But a publication like CN will never get the nuances of the LA foodie scene, as its audience is way to conservative, read white and skewed older.

        1. re: carter

          It is safe to say that Condé Nast editors based in touristy midtown Manhattan do not have the slightest clue about what the dining scene in Los Angeles is all about

    2. How can this possibly happen? Is LA really considered that pointless of a city to visit?

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      1. re: BacoMan

        Let's hope more folks think that. They're crowding me out of my eating holes as it is.

      2. LA is great for those that enjoy all spectrums of dining and cuisine, not so much for the myopic critic with limited palate.

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        1. re: Porthos

          I still don't get it. What is it these people are looking for?

          And how can Mt. Caramel have more of it than all of LA?

        2. The Ten Worst Cities for Foodies...

          New York, San Francisco, Philly, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Phoenix, Miami, San Diego, Las Vegas

          Stupid list?

          Yup. So's CNs.

          1. Of
            Course LA is
            Foodie city because it's not
            Foodie based.

            It's better than that.

            It's a houndish city.

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              1. re: BacoMan

                Please re-read the Chowhound Manifesto

                1. re: J.L.

                  That would be read in my case. Where is the manifesto?

                  1. re: BacoMan


                    Everyone has one in his life: the brother-in-law with a collection of 800 takeout menus, the co-worker who's late from lunch because she HAD to trek to one end of town for soup and to the other for a sandwich. Chowhounds know where the good stuff is, and they never settle for less than optimal deliciousness, whether dining in splendor or grabbing a quick slice.

                    We're not talking about foodies. Foodies eat where they're told. Chowhounds blaze trails. They comb through neighborhoods for culinary treasure. They despise hype. And while they appreciate ambiance and service, they can't be fooled by flash.

                    No media outlets serve Chowhounds. They've never had a place to gather and exchange information. This discerning, passionate crowd has long been completely invisible and utterly disenfranchised... until now.

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                    1. re: ns1

                      Also...why isn't LA a good city for foodies? Plenty of people tell you where to eat in LA.

                      There's actually better critical coverage of LA than most of the other cities I have looked into eating in.

                  2. re: J.L.

                    I don't really understand I guess.

                    I always thought that that is what foodie's are.

                    Who tells foodies where to eat?

                    I find it hard to believe people here don't follow food critics at all...

                    1. re: BacoMan

                      What a "foodie" is has changed somewhat because of Jonathan Gold's rising popularity and this site, and yelp, but "back in the day" about 15+ years ago. A foodie in LA, was someone who collected Michelin stars, and followed Zagat ratings. This skewed towards white tablecloth fussy places that are now losing popularity. But at it's heart, it was about impressing others with the places you had eaten, and the places you ate reinforced your sense of self-importance.

                      When I was first looking for food review sites back then in LA (ah citysearch) in say 2003, they mimicked Michelin & Zagat. Formal, inoffensive, generic cuisine would get ****. Cool quirky hole in the walls? Not even covered. Chowhound really saved the day.

                      Because of yelp, and this site, and hipsters, and other cultural factors, in the last 15 years it's been more bout the rush to eat at that cool quirky hole in the wall - and so my personal definition of "foodie" has changed to people who are swayed by hype and atmosphere instead of quality of food. But really, it still goes back to that person who really cares more about impressing and being impressed than the food itself.

                      1. re: goldangl95

                        Yes, being a "foodie" is not something someone who is into actually food wants to be. Also, Yelp is a good site for a lot of reasons, but finding great places to eat isn't one of them. It rates as a high school on the path of culinary matriculation.

                        1. re: PommeDeGuerre

                          I'm ashamed to say that in the early days of Yelp, when I was first posting on it, in terms of culinary matriculation I was a mere kindergartner.

                          I still cringe to see the glowing review I gave the local "Mongolian BBQ" spot.

                          Yet I still use Yelp if I don't have time to hound a city out.

                          1. re: set0312

                            I don't think I was ever that bad...

                            I started with a 3 star review of El Tuarino, which I modified into a 5-star review of King Taco...

                            There was some confusion regarding the ordering at first...and, basically just getting fucked over for being a new customer/white guy.

                            I haven't been to King Taco in so long now... I remember really enjoying it when I first went though. But by the time I'd been there, I had already ben to Chichen Itza, so my standards were pretty high I guess. I refrained from reviewing Chichen Itza forever because I never felt I could do it justice... hah

                            1. re: BacoMan

                              Hah! A five star review for King Taco is pretty fun though.

                              I remember my girlfriend (Mexican) taking me there for the first time because her dad raved about it, and having literally no idea what half the meat preparations were.

                              Baco, you will enjoy that I went to Baco Mercat's soft opening back in 2011 (when I was finally starting to understand what food was) and determined it to be worthy of a four-star review.

                              The baco intrigued me, but I thought there was too much aioli on it.

                              1. re: set0312

                                Bäco Mercat was my real introduction into the world of food. I gave it a ridiculously glowing 5-star review that I still get messages about occasionally even now. I didn't review it until halfway through 2012 though. It was pretty much a life-changing moment for me.

                                I thought the original Bäco was a perfect dish for me. The kind of thing that takes a ton of different elements, and fused them into something that is still more than all of its complex parts. But I also had this incredible chipotle sauced pork porterhouse at my first dinner there, which blew my mind because I had never properly eaten pork before that. I was also introduced to the world of vegetables that actually tasted fucking incredible. I've never forget the simple perfection of Bäco Mercat's beet salad. Funnily enough, that dish may have influenced my palette more than any other dish at Bäco Mercat, or even really anywhere else period.

                                By the time I went to king taco I was already somewhat advanced in my meat knowledge. In retrospect it seems like their only real advantage is their red sauce. It is a really awesome sauce, I'll give them that. I remember having the lengua quesadilla and cabeza tacos there though. The cabeza made no sense to me, but the lengua quesadilla was nice. It was somehow reported as being an additional 400 calories more than the carne asada quesadilla though, which I never could fully understand. I remember being very disconcerted by that, and deciding that just getting the all-meat asada burritos and dousing them in red sauce was pretty much the way to go there.

                                But I sort of moved on the Leos Tacos after a while. Not sure why...the pastor is better I guess, even if the red sauce isn't quite as awesome.

                                Another place I used to love in my early days was Number Nine in Long Beach...but you know...I think I still do haha

                                The first places I ever ate at in LA though were Pho in Silver Lake, and Ruen Pair in Thai Town. I have a very early glowing review of Ruen Pair. So at least I've known at least decent thai food since my earliest days =P

                                1. re: BacoMan

                                  Pho in Silverlake and Ruen Pair are some decent spots!

                                  Tacos Leo is better. And easier. I've waited twenty-five minutes for food at El Taurino and King Taco always closes earlier than I'd like. I still am not a huge fan of cabeza or lengua.

                                  As far as affinities go, there will always be a special place in my heart for La Taquiza by USC. The mulitas (which Gold interestingly raved about like fifteen years ago in Counter Intelligence) are a thing of beauty.

                                  Although I must say it was Chichen Itza that swayed me to good food. Sophomore year at USC, I went there and my entire food foundation was rocked.

                                  1. re: set0312

                                    It is probably no accident we share such similar tastes then. Ultimately, Chichen Itza was also my first imprint on truly good food. Bäco Mercat was my first imprint on the more upscale version, but I never would have been looking for Bäco if not for going to Chichen Itza...funnily enough, also in my sophomore year at USC.

                                    (Did you ever eat at any of the USC restaurants? Moreton Fig was good enough that I am surprised it was never reviewed by any food blogs, or periodicals. They used to do a pork chop milanese with a lardon vinaigrette that was damn good.)

                                    My only gripe about Leos is that they don't make their own tortillas... they would really step things up to a new level if they did that. But I digress.

                                    1. re: BacoMan

                                      Baco--you're a Trojan as well? It always seems we are underrepresented on these boards. I see lots of Bruins though.

                                      Ate at moreton fig but never for dinner. So it was always burgers and sandwiches and that stuff.

                                      1. re: set0312

                                        They had the pork chop milanese at lunch. Believe me, I ate a lot of lunches there. I used to love sitting on the couches underneath the huge tree, drinking wine, eating burrata caprese, and reading/writing until the pork chop arrived. I rarely ate there for dinner.

                                        I ate many dinner at McKay's, the unknown restaurant, with surprisingly good steak, and plenty of cheap double shots of crown royal, and strong long islands.

                                        Lest you think I am one of those rich kid frat bros though...I was not. I never really fit in there, and hung out mostly with professors, or by myself. And the only reason I mostly at at those places on Campus, albeit pretty good places, was because I had scholarship money that could be loaded on that awesome USC card and used as cash at those places, haha.

                        2. re: goldangl95

                          I always thought it was Jonathan Gold's "Counter Intelligence" (predating Chowhound) who really focused the spotlight on the "cool quirky holes in the wall". I remember reading him avidly in the LA Weekly and thinking, "now THIS guy is kewl."

                          1. re: goldangl95

                            Formal to quirky is not necessarily a great trade off

                  3. This is their reader's choices. I imagine they have an issue with the editors' picks and LA is in there somewhere. Having an issue based on a reader survey saves the editors from coming up with any new material. They just count the votes and report.
                    These picks seem like places some readers went (or want to go) on vacation. There are probably a weekend's worth of decent restaurants in Carmel. Foodie city, not so much.

                    1. I don't know if LA is a 'foodie' city or not but all the cities on the list are cities with great food.

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                      1. re: latindancer

                        Yes, trust me…. LA is a great foodie city no matter what any out of town magazine poll says. LA is where the world eats and you can eat anything in the world.

                        1. re: wienermobile

                          <Yes, trust me…>

                          Nobody can talk me out of anything LA. I love it here and I love my favorite places to eat.
                          Having said that…
                          The cities listed are pretty outstanding too.
                          Seattle, for one, is a great example.
                          Not sure why LA didn't make the cut because the cities listed are great and I'd have thought LA would naturally be one of them.

                          1. re: wienermobile

                            except a good bagel,

                            and a long list of other things.

                            in other words, there's no less provincialism to be found on this board than elsewhere.

                        2. I think people should consider the difference between a CH foodie, and a "I use Conde Nast Traveler magazines for food information and take the time to respond to their surveys" foodie. I don't mean it to be as much of a put-down as that sounds, but these are 2 different audiences, with what I imagine to be little overlap.

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                          1. re: andytseng

                            How could such a person as the Conde Nast reader be considered a foodie?...

                          2. As an Angeleno, I kinda like being the underdog in this case. More food for me.

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                            1. re: J.L.

                              Of course, if they are correct, it just means more shit food for us...


                              1. re: BacoMan

                                This sentiment makes no sense.

                                You love Baco Mercat and Chi Spacca. If some random writer doesn't mention them, do you all of the sudden think they are crap?

                                1. re: Porthos

                                  Not exactly.

                                  But if they had zero critical acknowledgment, I would be wary that much better food existed elsewhere in the world.

                                  These writers are supposed to be the most informed of us all. So results like this would seem to indicate that the food quality in LA is much lower than in these cities somehow.

                                  It sounds crazy, but... then again I haven't explored any of these cities to the extent I have LA. Maybe the food in the restaurants in those cities makes the food at Bäco and Chi Spacca seem like crap, and I am currently living in blissful ignorance. =/

                                  If that's not true...how do the food writers miss a city as huge as Los Angeles? Is there some kind of cultural hatred/bias against the city?

                                  1. re: BacoMan

                                    if you actually click on the link, it says

                                    "every year in our Readers' Choice Survey, we ask our readers to rate the U.S. cities that have the best restaurants."

                                    looks like the food writers did nothing but tally up votes (as someone mentioned above)

                                    1. re: ns1

                                      Well, then it's a worthless list.

                                      Although it still makes one wonder who LA didn't appear on the list in a certain sense.

                                    2. re: BacoMan

                                      These writers are supposed to be the most informed of us all.
                                      This is where your assumption fails you. These are just writers. Some fresh out of college. I guarantee you there are hounds here with more dining experience than these writers. Not only in the cities listed but abroad.
                                      then again I haven't explored any of these cities to the extent I have LA.

                                      And maybe this is why you put so much stock in these critics. Those that have explored these cities in depth are very comfortable ranking LA tops in the US and in the world for diversity and quality of cuisine. Does it excel at high end cuisine? No. But mid tier restaurants are as good as anyone else, or at least almost as good depending on which city we are talking about and the low end ethnic cuisines are hard to beat. Some writer in Manhattan isn't going to know about them or appreciate them.

                                      1. re: Porthos

                                        The truth is, Portos, I HAVE dined in these cities and the food, for the most part, is outstanding. The critics, no matter who they are, have chosen great food cities. They're all known for their regional cuisine.
                                        Why isn't LA on the list??

                                        1. re: latindancer

                                          Latindancer. So have I and a lot of LA posters.

                                          Does it matter? Anyone that lives here and has dined in the listed cities knows LA is within top 5.

                                          1. re: Porthos

                                            You still haven't answered the question.

                                            All of the cities listed are known for stellar food and they deserve being mentioned so the critics, in my mind, got it right. They're credible in my mind.
                                            LA isn't listed.
                                            Why? Is there speculation?
                                            Or are people just going to bash the messenger(s) and say…
                                            "Does it matter"?

                                            1. re: latindancer

                                              Good food does not make a foodie destination.

                                              I mean seriously how many restaurants could Carmel possibly have? I understand the city is loaded with money and must have good food to support said money, but that same demographic pretty much forces out alllll the low cost minority options. Right?

                                              1. re: latindancer

                                                I guess I could care less if it was a brain fart or tally mistake or some conspiracy. Do you honestly think LA doesn't rank on that list based on your experiences?

                                                1. re: Porthos

                                                  <Do you honestly think LA doesn't rank on that list based on your experience?

                                                  Where did you come up with the conclusion I don't think LA doesn't rank?
                                                  My question is why LA isn't on the list with very stellar, legitimate contenders? There must be a reason.
                                                  Nobody seems to want to speculate…all this is seems to be a defense of LA's food scene. Nobody's debating whether it's great or not.

                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                    My guess would be that eating in LA can prove more challenging that in many of the other cities.

                                                    This may be due to any number of reasons, from traffic to perception to lack of awareness to the vast sprawl of our city.

                                                    I guess, in short, I'd think the CN crowd and the Michelin crowd may have quite the overlap in a Diner Venn diagram.

                                                    Though as always, I may be completely wrong.

                                              2. re: Porthos

                                                I know many people, who live here and dine here and love LA, who wouldn't put LA in the top 5.
                                                They all love great food.

                                                1. re: latindancer

                                                  "I know many people, who live here and dine here and love LA, who wouldn't put LA in the top 5."

                                                  Fair enough. But you're - perhaps unintentionally - moving the goalposts when you reference the "top 5".

                                                  LA being on the list at all, versus LA being "top 5" are two separate discussions.

                                                  Am I correct to assume those people you know WOULD have LA at least listed?

                                                  And on another note, why do you think LA is not on the list?

                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                    What the heck would they put in front of LA?

                                                    1. re: set0312

                                                      Personally, I'd put a city that's known for seafood in the top 5. That's my personal.
                                                      LA's not.

                                                      1. re: latindancer

                                                        I thought it was an oblique Randy Newman reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5Lz... but I guess it could have been a restaurant ranking reference too....

                                    3. Bottom line: these are readers not critics who get paid to review restaurants. No real critic worth his salt would leave out LA from such a list (even if LA were not a foodie city). It's too big a demographic to ignore/piss off.

                                      1. Putting aside Healdsberg, Carmel, San Diego, Santa Fe, etc., it's ridiculous that Chicago makes it and LA doesn't. Sorry, I try to be objective.

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                                        1. re: mc michael

                                          Why? Isn't Chicago a pretty good eating city?

                                          Btw, I really love Santa Fe as a city...but...other than Tecolote and all the various green chile enchiladas you can get... it's kind of a shit food scene. I'm not sure how it could possibly rank so well. It's a weird joke...

                                          1. re: BacoMan

                                            <it's kind of a shit food scene>

                                            No, it's not.
                                            Tecolote's good and so are a couple of others that have had a segment on a particular popular TV show, so maybe that's your standard?
                                            There're great restaurants in Santa Fe…

                                            1. re: latindancer

                                              Your failure to name even a single one betrays the truth.

                                              1. re: BacoMan

                                                <betrays the truth>

                                                Was there a full moon last night?

                                                Geronimo…the best elk I've eaten, anywhere.
                                                Jambo Cafe…on the outskirts and the African cuisine is some of the best I've had.
                                                La Boca for Tapas. Wonderful.
                                                India House….name speaks for itself.

                                                Of course i predict the inevitable…you won't like any of them.

                                                1. re: latindancer

                                                  La Boca is like a bad joke... if it was in LA, it would be laughed out of town.

                                                  Jambo and India House are nice.

                                                  So anywhere that has 3-5 restaurants that you can get good food at is "one of the best food cities in the country"?

                                                  It's not that one would eat poorly while in Santa Fe, but I don't see how one could go merely for the food (as one could to LA, SF, NYC, Seattle, Chicago, Portland etc...).

                                                  And it's still seems entirely laughable to me to rank it near LA based on its having 1 good African place, and 1 good Indian place. How many of those does LA have? Hundreds?

                                                  1. re: BacoMan

                                                    "How many of those does LA have? Hundreds?"

                                                    We can probably count them all on 2 hands.

                                                      1. re: BacoMan

                                                        Poor choice. LA does not have a huge number of high quality Indian food. It's not a strong suit like it is in the greater Bay Area and some other cities.

                                                        1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                          Weird...so what is it we have in LA then?

                                                          1. re: BacoMan


                                                            1. re: ns1

                                                              Don't forget the bacos.

                                                              Mr Taster

                                                              1. re: ns1

                                                                I meant something more like...what kind of Indian food?

                                                                How can the Indian food truly be that bad with such a huge Indian population?

                                                                1. re: BacoMan

                                                                  How can the Indian food truly be that bad with such a huge Indian population?
                                                                  I liked LA indian food a lot more before I visited India. "bad" is probably a strong word.

                                                                  1. re: ns1

                                                                    I have an Indian friend who has a working hypothesis:

                                                                    "When you see a lot of Chinese people in a Chinese restaurant, it mans the food is good. When you see a lot of Indian people in an Indian restaurant, it means the food is cheap."

                                                                    Mr Taster

                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                      Indeed, that is true, but... how do other places get good Indian cuisine then?

                                                              2. re: BacoMan

                                                                It's not weird.
                                                                And you are quite qualified to know what LA is actually strong in.

                                                            2. re: BacoMan

                                                              Indian food

                                                              We got like 2 places for chaat, both in Artesia; 0 places for biryani (sorry guys, zam zam is shit. the biryani from the inorbit mall in hyderabad shits on zam zam's biryani); etc.

                                                              I'm sure by US standards the indian food is probably pretty good; I bet by UK standards the indian food is shit, and by indian standards the indian food is non-existent.

                                                              Let me ask my indian coworkers from Mumbai where they eat Indian food in LA. Oh wait, they don't eat Indian food in LA because it's terribad.

                                                              what's the african dining scene like in LA? doesn't it start and end at Genet? Serious question.

                                                              1. re: ns1

                                                                My Indian friends from Mumbia enjoyed the Indian here, usually from Aladin Market on Vermont, or Mayura.

                                                                I think there's at least more to the African scene in LA than Genet:




                                                                I guess we are kind of lacking in it though. But would you really say that Santa Fe has better African and Indian scenes than LA?...

                                                          2. re: BacoMan


                                                            Without a doubt, completely and totally, predictable.
                                                            Santa Fe has great food. I'm not going to list all my favorites. You'd still find a reason to dismiss.
                                                            As a very good, brilliant friend, with a very prolific background once said and let me steal her phrase for a second...


                                                            1. re: latindancer

                                                              The entire city is smaller than Silver Lake... you really think it deserves to rank higher than all of LA?...

                                                            2. re: BacoMan

                                                              Well, you tell me, Baco, what are those 100's of outstanding Indian restaurants in LA?
                                                              Where are they?

                                                              1. re: latindancer

                                                                Artesia and Culver City for starters.

                                                                Addi’s Tandoor , Agra Tandoori, Al Watan, Anarkali, Anarbagh, All India Café, Annapurna, Badmaash, Bombay Café, Chakra, Great India Café, India’s Clay Pot, Jay Bharat, Mother India, Mumbai Ki Galliyon Se, Nawab, Ocean Tava, Paru, Rajdhani, Samosa House East and Shalimar

                                                                Throw in Tamarind if you include, OC, but then I'd need to add 20 more places.

                                                                The notion that Santa Fe is a better city for foodies because it has 5 or 6 good places is pretty absurd.

                                                                Maybe the average Conde Nast traveler who jets into Telluride or Santa Fe for a weekend finds great places for three days and thinks that makes those spots, good foodie spots, but how many when they come to LA are heading to the SGV, Westminster/Garden Grove, Boyle Heights, how many even go east of La Cienaga? The Valley, South Bay, Pasadena, Santa Ana, Irvine and so many other places in the vast Southland go undiscovered by the narrow readership of the CN audience.

                                                                1. re: scottca075

                                                                  When considering that Conde Naste is a mag for tourists, it's no wonder they would rate LA as such. The eateries and locations you've listed deserve places on the "foodie" tapestry of "LA" - but not the uninitiated tourist foodie sans wheels/smart-phone/understanding of ground rules of this area. LA is a great place to live - not nearly as good for tourists of any kind.

                                                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                    "When considering that Conde Naste is a mag for tourists..."

                                                                    Conde Nast likes to think themselves a magazine for "travelers", which is very different from "tourists".

                                                                    Tourists eat at Pink's and any place Guy or Rachel has been. Travelers look for the places they will not bump into tourists.

                                                                    1. re: scottca075

                                                                      >>Conde Nast likes to think themselves a magazine for "travelers", which is very different from "tourists".<<

                                                                      Yeah Conde Naste might, but many tourists consider themselves as travelers. And many travelers (how ever that is defined) probably have never thumbed through a Conde Naste. I think Conde Naste's target niche is the more well-to-do tourist as well as those who just want the live vicariously through the photos and ads (which IMHO are first rate in quality).

                                                                      1. re: scottca075

                                                                        >> ... for "travelers", which is very different from "tourists"... <<

                                                                        That reminds me of a line from Bertolucci's "The Sheltering Sky"

                                                                        1. re: J.L.

                                                                          What's the line ???????

                                                                          Pray tell.

                                                                          1. re: kevin

                                                                            It's been a while since I last watched it. Rent/Stream the film, kev. I seem to recall John Malkovich's character delivering it (with panache, as they say in da 'biz).

                                                      2. re: mc michael

                                                        I love the dining options in Los Angeles and I am surprised by the omission but Chicago imo is an outstanding restaurant city. Let's see, Chicago is home to Alinea, Purple Pig, Bayless flagship restaurants, Girl and Goat, Blackbird, Spiaggia, and more importantly, my favorites, Lou Malnati's and Mr. Beef The inclusion of Chicago does not surprise me, on the other hand, San Diego?

                                                      3. *Any* list of foodie cities in the US which fails to include LA is not worth looking at.

                                                          1. re: Tripeler

                                                            I'd be willing to bet there's only a small percentage of the population in LA who even knows/cares about Conde Nast and what they have to say.

                                                            1. re: latindancer

                                                              I'd bet that there are a sizeable number of LA area readers. I think folks in LA (of the Hound/foodie type) are less provincial and would tend to vote for places other than LA--to show their sophistication. Other folks from flyover areas, etc., not so much.

                                                              1. re: mc michael

                                                                I think you make an excellent point.

                                                                People, living in their own city, tend to feel their city is beyond comparison, overall.

                                                              2. re: latindancer

                                                                The question is why you care so much about what they have to say.

                                                                1. re: Porthos

                                                                  Do I?

                                                                  Where have I claimed that I do?
                                                                  The real question is…
                                                                  Why is it that you're assuming I care and if I *did* care what does that say about me, according to you?

                                                                  1. re: latindancer


                                                                    "You still haven't answered the question."

                                                                    "LA isn't listed. Why? Is there speculation?"

                                                                    "Why isn't LA on the list??"

                                                                    1. re: Porthos


                                                                      As much as I respect your tenacity, I can assure you I'm really not that worried about LA being on the list.
                                                                      My question…

                                                                      "LA isn't listed. Why? Is there speculation" is simply a question that I would find interesting to know the answer to. You certainly are entitled to carry it further and point out my questioning but it's really very simple..
                                                                      I'm a curious kind of gal, enjoy statistics...nothing more than that.
                                                                      But, thanks for my list of questions…you did some work there, for sure!
                                                                      Now…really, why would you care if an Angeleno DID care?
                                                                      What does that say about them, according to you? You seem to not want to answer that question.

                                                            2. LA is a foodie city, it doesn't matter what CN or any publication says. IMO, LA is the best foodie city in the US. I go there sometimes to eat and visit LACMA. LA is better than SF- I know, I live there (well, in Oakland). I would move to LA if there air was a little cleaner, I might have to anyway, since it is getting so obscenely expensive here.
                                                              Yay to LA.

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                                                              1. re: l_emily

                                                                I love LA, but I think NOLA has everyone beat by a mile...hard to find a mediocre meal there.

                                                                1. re: jessejames

                                                                  You could be right, I've never been to NOLA- will have to give it a whirl. But does NOLA have Korean, Thai, Mexican (and not just burritos), Ethiopian, all sorts of Chinese, etc.?

                                                                  1. re: l_emily

                                                                    you're right emily, we have an astounding variety here in our megametropolis! i'm not slim!

                                                                    1. re: l_emily

                                                                      NOLA doesn't have to have Korean, Thai, Mexican et al because it already has Caribbean, African, Italian, Southern American and French, etc. interpreted in far more varied and sundry ways than we ever could imagine those cuisines here in LA. I wouldn't want NOLA to be LA-- NOLA needs to be NOLA. There's no other place like it.

                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                        and today is the most special time of year there at the fairgrounds with the jazzfest and all the booths incl. crawfish streudel, softshell crawfish poboys, couchon de lait po boys, white chocolate bread pudding...iko iko

                                                                        1. re: jessejames

                                                                          Jazzfest is great, but it always seems to rain on me. And the humidity!

                                                                          1. re: mc michael

                                                                            "And the humidity!"

                                                                            The perfect venue for Moldfest...

                                                                                1. re: jessejames

                                                                                  I do that here in dry heat. But within that environment, you are correct.

                                                                                2. re: mc michael

                                                                                  maybe one day Jazz Fest will have jazz again...

                                                                                  1. re: lapizzamaven

                                                                                    So many tents lots of great jazz but I agree on the headliners like Springsteen et al. But they sell tics to support the heritage tents and other stuff. Maurice brown was out here a few years ago. I miss the music and the boudin balls

                                                                              1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                OK- I'm convinced, I'll go to NOLA, but in the meantime LA is closer, so I'll be going there more often.

                                                                                1. re: l_emily

                                                                                  NOLA has a huge Vietnamese population and a Little Korea.
                                                                                  I've had the pleasure of trying the Vienamese places near Algiers. GREAT stuff, a bit of a hybrid of the two cuisines. Never had the Korean, or Thai food there and the Mexican runs more to Tex-Mex.

                                                                                  1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                    I don't know about you, Bob, but when I'm in NOLA the last thing on my mind is eating the types of food I could easily find here in LA.

                                                                                    Mr Taster

                                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                      Trust me, the Vietnamese is awesome - my LTA™ is from Baton Rouge and has lots of family in NOLA so we are there with some frequency. Sure, I mostly live on Oysters, Po Boys and other indigenous fare but the Vietnamese is very delicious and sort-of home grown: try a seafood soup at Tan Dinh next trip.

                                                                                      1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                        Huh, interesting. I'll keep that in mind.

                                                                                        Mr Taster

                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                          it's not really a surprise, large history of shrimp fishing in VN. immigrants move to NOLA to continue said history.

                                                                                          that's how we got gems like boiling crab...

                                                                                          1. re: ns1

                                                                                            Oh, of course. Thanks for helping me to make the connection. My first experience with the whole boiling crab phenomenon was in Shanghai in 2006, before the phenomenon really hit big in the SGV. I was puzzled beyond measure why I was enjoying a paper-covered table crawfish boil with a bunch of Chinese people, but I didn't ask questions.

                                                                                            Mr Taster

                                                                            1. Perhaps one reason LA is not listed is that readers of CN are probably travelers that travel often continentally. They are looking for places they are familiar with, like chains. LA city does not have a multitude of chain places, (not counting the proliferation of Starbucks on every corner, and the fast food joints that are prevalent in some areas) until you venture out of LA proper.... Plenty as you travel east and south of LA, and north, to a lesser degree.

                                                                              Plus, people who are truly into food are not reading CN. They read Bon Appetit, Fine Cooking, Saveur and the like. And LA is frequently featured in the likes of Bon Ap.

                                                                              1. It lists Aspen.

                                                                                A town I know well.

                                                                                The Nobu there is the worst in the entire chain of Nobu's. And I had the worst uni I've ever put in my mouth at the Aspen Nobu.

                                                                                There is decent food there, and even a fairly decent fine dining experience can be had at the Little Nell, but over all, the City of Santa Monica kicks it to the curb, let alone the entirety of Los Angeles. Urasawa/Mori/n/naka/Yamakase/Zo, vs Aspen Nobu (actually it's Matsuhisa - they couldn't even get that right), Kenichi, and Takah? I'm feeling sorry for Aspen just thinking of it. It's like putting Tyson in the right with 6 year old. A skinny 6 year old. With a cough.

                                                                                It's not Aspen's fault. But CN Traveler has some 'splainin' to do!

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                                                                                1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                  ... and Tyson when he was in his prime...

                                                                                2. Haven't posted here awhile but, I'm not sure why this article is generating so much controversy. This list is pure and simply a popularity contest that holds as much weight as people's magazine's 100 most beautiful people that conveniently omits all people who aren't celebrities and yet makes such a general statement. Anyone that lives in Los Angeles knows that we have a very large melting pot of food that varies across the board in all areas including all different ethnicities/fusion types as well as casual and fine dining. Other cities may have better restaurants in a specific cuisine, but they have worse restaurants in every other ethnic cuisine as they only focus on 3-4 types. When any chef/city has as much variety on food types as we do, one food scene won't stand out, because we are in effect, a Jack of all trades.

                                                                                  Also as far as the comment on Indian food lacking, I can't compare to people who actually live in India but as far as my living 2 blocks from curry hill in nyc for 20 years and as far as visiting san francisco twice a year for 8 years for business as well as visiting India in direct correlation to a family business relating to India and with having dined at a extremely extravagant wedding banquet in New Dehli, I personally feel there are a couple of restaurants that fly under the radar in Los Angeles that if opened in New Dehli at the least would do reasonably well. I unfortunately can't name all of them I visited because I personally like to eat different food every time I go out. Only one that comes to mind right now is a place called 'Streets of India' which might throw people off due to the fact that the decor is that of a business deli/takeout.

                                                                                  On a side note, I never noticed that Chowhound Manifesto before and it's funny because I definitely don't follow the hype, I just use it as a guide to steer away from trying new things.

                                                                                  1. It's a shame that some Chow folks take umbrage at this article.

                                                                                    In any event, LA's a fantastic place for eating.

                                                                                    Though, I'm probably in the minority by having walked hours and hours between and within the myriad neighborhoods and cities that comprise LA - stems from my NY roots - as opposed to by other means of transport. I don't get there too often, but last year, I walked from Hawthorne to Leimert Park eating vast quantities of regional Mexican food. The next day is more of a blur, but Armenian, Korean, Thai, and some variant of SoCal fast food appeared too. It was also the first time I noticed pastrami makes a fine addition to a burger.


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                                                                                    1. re: BuildingMyBento

                                                                                      When I go back to new york to visit family, I walk that distance from Hawthorne to Leimert park(7.5 miles) to check out what new additions/removals there are to manhattan and try stuff accordingly, though I will admit that partially out of fear from popular culture that I'm too afraid to walk through some parts of Los Angeles especially looking tired and defenseless from walking so much. I should keep an open mind though as some of the best food I've had is generally way off the beaten path.

                                                                                      1. re: polldeldiablo

                                                                                        no one walks in LA because we "drive" the beaten path.

                                                                                        Anyway, james beard just gave silverton chef of the year award, and sherry yard the life time achievement.

                                                                                        not that jbfa dictates america's dining habits, but telluride (sp -- really, who can even spell this right?), naples, FL, and these bumfuk CN listicles can sod off.

                                                                                    2. Maybe Woody Allen was the source...

                                                                                      1. that's fine with me - we won't have to fight with conde nast tourist for good food in LA!

                                                                                        1. Newport RI, San Diego, & Naples are a joke for food

                                                                                          LA has to kick it up a notch...outside of Spago, Crustacean and some 90s relics, this town hasnt produced world class food for a while

                                                                                          As a recent Ex-NYC'r for 22yrs, I will tell you its like a rude wake up call when you realize vast majority of LAs food spots are glorified chains like Gulfstream, Rock Sugar (Sp?) and Hustons knockoffs and even Nobu.

                                                                                          And I have news for you, the Mexican isnt that great. Its good and solid; but most major cities have moved up from the Chilis slop that was mexican across USA for last decade. Javiers in Newport Beach is best Mexican I have had here....

                                                                                          Think the price of Real Estate and Rents has driven the talent to places like Vegas and specialty cities like Miami, Seattle, etc that can deliver the foodie tourists.
                                                                                          Location or View Cuisine is what LA does best...from Malibu to Hollywood; rest is niche ethnic...and even some of that is hit or miss (eg, Persian!) v. NYC

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                                                                                          1. re: kayvan

                                                                                            This has to be one of the funniest posts to hit this board in a long, long, long, long, long...well, you get the idea.

                                                                                            World class Korean and Chinese food abound in LA. And there is enough Mexican (Tacos Punta Cabras or CaCao Mexicatessen anyone?) and Central American options, including food trucks that create their own traffic jams, to satisfy even the most jaded hound.

                                                                                            And let's not overlook places like Animal and Bucato and Gjelina and Bestia and Langer's and Tar & Roses and Urusawa and sushi and/or kaiseki at places like Mori, and Q and Kiriko and Shunji and Yamakase and n/naka and...

                                                                                            Never mind. I can see we don't have any places that will satisfy you. More for me...

                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                < I can see we don't have any places that will satisfy you.>

                                                                                                What do you mean - has Crustacean closed? That seems to satisfy kayvan's need for world class food. LOL.

                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                  Tacos Punta Cabras, while good, is not special by any stretch of the imagination.

                                                                                                  1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                    ??? I guess you need to define special. What makes TPC not special?

                                                                                                    1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                      I can find similar quality tacos in any city in America

                                                                                                      1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                        Do you write for the Onion by any chance?

                                                                                                          1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                            Loveland, Ohio.

                                                                                                            I eagerly await your recommendation for TPC quality tacos.

                                                                                                              1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                Probably items labeled "tacos". That opens the door to the world of wonder that is Taco Bell!

                                                                                                                And for fun, I'll throw in Haynesville, LA - where can I find great tacos there?

                                                                                                                1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                  Wow, the amount of butthurt is amazing. Loveland, Ohio? Ad absurdum much?

                                                                                                                  Similar - resembling without being identical.

                                                                                                                  In this case, simple, battered fish/shrimp tacos with the typical fillings - cabbage slaw, etc.

                                                                                                                  Listen, I like the place and I go there once every couple months, but I don't find anything remarkable about the preparation.Maybe someone could enlighten me? What is it that's got you guys so hyped about this place? Tortillas? meh Fish? nope. Shrimp? nope. Hot sauces? They're the only thing that stands out in the least bit to me.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                    No butthurt - just attempting to figure out what obtuse angle you're coming from. IMHO, your definition lacks clarity - it's quite vague and too many generalizations can be had. Your simplistic assumptions of ingredients and discounting/disregard for quality is brazen. Based on your definition and descriptions, Rubio's and even Dinah's would/could make something "similar." The freshness and quality of TPC isn't mentioned. Passing over the skills of the kitchen is obvious. We can differ on what pleases or displeases one's palate, but a fair amount of objectivity is in order here.

                                                                                                                    I've seen kit cars that are "similar" to cars like Ferrari Daytonas. So taking body parts that are "similar" to a Daytona and jimmying them onto a Camaro chassis transforms this Frankenstein vehicle into a Daytona, right?

                                                                                                                    1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                      What am I missing? You made what most here would consider a bold claim that goes very much against the grain. Most would consider it even outrageous. You provide absolutely nothing to support your claim. Then when you did respond you simply list ingredients. Your like a sports commentator that just lists the starting lineups of the teams and calls it "analysis."

                                                                                                                      Look, you got called out. Don't get mad, bro.

                                                                                                                      1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                        I'm not mad, brocio. Tell me what makes TPC so great, I asked a clear question and I'm willing to admit having missed something if you can show me what that is. But, to this point you have still failed at pointing out anything extraordinary about the place.

                                                                                                                        I'll re-ask:
                                                                                                                        Maybe someone could enlighten me? What is it that's got you guys so hyped about this place?

                                                                                                                        Here’s something for you to contest- IMO, their batter isn't all that light or crispy (has at times, even been soggy) and the tortillas are a bit flavorless, I can barely tell that they're corn and not flour. I like the tortillas at Paco's in Culver more (though the rest of their "Mexican" food was just OK).

                                                                                                                        1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                          You make the claim, you provide the proof. That's how it works.

                                                                                                                          You made the claim that any city in the US can provide similar fish tacos to TPC and that TPC is not special.

                                                                                                                          So far you've proved you speak in hyperboles and can't support your own claims. Prove your own point!

                                                                                                                          Still waiting on that Loveland, OH rec.

                                                                                                                          1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                            Jesus dude, you're not making this discussion easy are you? My original claim was "Tacos Punta Cabras, while good, is not special by any stretch of the imagination."

                                                                                                                            I can see that you're not willing to go beyond my slightly hyperbolic following statement that "I can find similar tacos in any city in America." If I concede that not every single city in America, especially Loveland, OH and it's population of 12,000, has a comparable taco stand can we move on to what makes you think TPC is special?

                                                                                                                            I've had better fish tacos in Boston, btw.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                              "...my slightly hyperbolic...statement..."

                                                                                                                              Kind of like saying 100 megaton nuclear bombs are "slightly destructive"?

                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                Kind of a different interpretation of "city" as "major metropolitan area" rather than defining by Government style.

                                                                                                                                Still waiting on why anyone thinks TPC is "special" or any responses to the comments about the crispiness of the fish (and scallops) or the mediocre tortillas.

                                                                                                                              2. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                                I got CEP here. I'm from Boston. Well we have the World Series champs but fish tacos??? What the fuck is that?

                                                                                                                                LA my new home for 3 decades has shitty sports teams but tacos sushi Chinese food Mexican food Thai food Korean food. All sorts of food. Hotdogs. Burgers. We r the champs there for me.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: jessejames

                                                                                                                                    Let's not turn this into Boston vs. LA, at least in this thread. I'm not saying that Boston has better Mexican. It has a glut of expensive "Mexican" and a few small, quality places.

                                                                                                                                    I'm also not attacking TPC, I like it there. I just don't think it's anything special. I would never drive more than 10 minutes to get to it. As I've stated before, the only standout to me is the hot sauce bar.

                                                                                                                                    I'll ask for a third time... What am I missing? What makes it so special to the rest of you?

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                                        yeah, where was the joint in LA that served crickets ????

                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                          You can still get them at Guelaguetza http://www.ilovemole.com/ as far as I know...

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                            there was a thai restaurant, or mixture of chinese/thai/etc that had a whole page of the dirty suckers ?????????

                                                                                                                                            anyone, know what i'm talking about ??????????

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                bingo, we have a winner, johnnny.

                                                                                                                                                Thanks Sevrog.

                                                                                                                                                that's it.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                  wait a second…. did it close ?????

                                                                                                                                                  it's been a few years since i last visited.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                    Still open as far as I know...

                                                                                                                                        2. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                                          I'll ask for a third time... What am I missing? What makes it so special to the rest of you?
                                                                                                                                          It's actually not the tacos, it's the cocktails (coctels?) and tostadas.

                                                                                                                                          Yes, this is a cauliflower tostada. And it kicks ass.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                            i do like the fish tacos usually too.

                                                                                                                                            the lobster taco, though only like two measly bites, was supremely delicious and cost-prohibitively expensive.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                              That looks good, even more so if I think of "cauliflower" as some exotic fish that I've never heard of.

                                                                                                                                              Like I said, I the place, tacos included. Just don't think it's mind blowing.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                                Went back to TPC again. It's just not that great. Under crisped fish and shrimp tacos, breading was actually a little soggy in places and seemed overly thick. Tortillas weren't as lackluster as previously thought but they still didn't stand out.

                                                                                                                                                Had a scallop tostada as well. Scallops were great eaten on their own but the whole tostada was overpowered by the pickles. Nice crispy tortilla.

                                                                                                                                                Salsa verde was excellent, roja ok (not as good as TPV), chipotle was good, pineapple habanero was ok - could have used more heat to balance out the sweet.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Beachowolfe

                                                                                                                                                  After I mention that the tacos are not the thing that makes TPC great, you go and get more tacos?

                                                                                                                                                  respect+ for giving it another shot though. we'll just agree to disagree :)

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                                    i like those tacos, especially the lobster one with the vadouvan sauce ????

                                                                                                                                                    and those cauliflower tostadas….

                                                                                                                                                    those are quite a work of genius.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jessejames

                                                                                                                                                        maybe we're talking about the wrong place, Tacos Punta Cabras has cocktails ?????????????

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jessejames

                                                                                                                                                              my bad.

                                                                                                                                                              the old pea brain didn't comprehend.

                                                                                                                        2. re: kayvan

                                                                                                                          As a recent Ex-NYC'r for 22yrs, I will tell you its like a rude wake up call when you realize vast majority of LAs food spots are glorified chains like Gulfstream, Rock Sugar (Sp?) and Hustons knockoffs and even Nobu.
                                                                                                                          Your tummy would be better served (and filled) if you asked LA Hounds for their best recs. From the examples you have cited, it is clear that you have not made the rounds.

                                                                                                                            1. re: kayvan

                                                                                                                              As a recent Ex-NYC'r for 22yrs...

                                                                                                                              Just curious how long you have lived in CA, since you fancy yourself an expert critic of our dining scene...

                                                                                                                              1. re: kayvan

                                                                                                                                As a Ex-NYC'r for 23 years, I will tell you that if you walk the beaten path, Los angeles food isn't that great but on the other hand, if you walk the path less traveled and ignore the tourist/food network suggested places, you will find some of the most 'hidden gems' all in 1 city that far surpasses most other cities in America.

                                                                                                                                As for the comment about mexican not being great in Los Angeles is funny because a mexican supermarket's food court near where I live called 'Vallarta' has authentic regional food that rivals places all over Mexico. Now if a Mexican supermarket has food of that quality and authenticity, imagine how good the authentic Mexican restaurants are. I can't speak for other cities but when comparing Mexican in Los Angeles to New York City, I search chowhound and that other site for 'birria' and I found TWO places in all of NYC that offer it.

                                                                                                                                I still love NYC but if I want authentic ethnic cuisine of nearly any type, I will choose Los Angeles in a heartbeat.

                                                                                                                                1. re: polldeldiablo

                                                                                                                                  I'd argue that the French and Italian is a bit better in NYC.

                                                                                                                                  wtf does ethnic even mean?

                                                                                                                              2. LA is not a foodie city because the trendy high profile places here by in large suck. The great food is scattered and buried in the ethnic neighborhoods all across the city. They are not the kind of high profile places that attract Conde Naste. But for me, LA is better than say a handful of cities. I'll tell you first hand having grown up there, that the food in Boston sucks and no way it is #10 and LA is not in the top 20. You can't find a good burrito or Chinese restaurant in that city if your life depended on it. And the vaunted North End isn't even real Italian food. It's some weird East Coast - Sicilian offshoot that deviated away a century ago. Any Italian from Italy would chuckle at how much sugar they put in everything and how rare a dente pasta is...

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                                                                                                                                1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                  NYC has been like that for 50 years, regarding Italian!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                    I blame it on the arrival of Dunkin' Donuts!

                                                                                                                                    1. re: JAB

                                                                                                                                      Please send this article to the Conde Naste Traveler.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: JAB

                                                                                                                                        That article is even worse than Conde Nast's.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: SMBeetle

                                                                                                                                          Yeah - if you're from New York. ;-)

                                                                                                                                      2. Conde Nast Traveler wasn't mentioned as a good magazine for food by Los Angeles.

                                                                                                                                          1. Really ? I am a hour and a half from SF. Love the restaurant scene . I was in LA for a month . Had some great food and can't wait to get back . Sure beats the shit out of where I live.