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LA not mentioned as a good city for foodies

LA is not mentioned a good city for foodies or so says Conde Naste Traveler:

http://www.cntraveler.com/daily-trave...

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  1. Not even worth looking at - just another "click thru" to get their numerous ad pages in front you.

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    1. re: scoopG

      While I was surprised that LA was not mentioned, I still appreciated the list as I have been to many of those cities. There were a couple of sleepers in there too like Carmel, CA.

      1. re: orythedog

        And sleeper is the correct selection of words to describe Carmel.
        But a publication like CN will never get the nuances of the LA foodie scene, as its audience is way to conservative, read white and skewed older.

        1. re: carter

          It is safe to say that Condé Nast editors based in touristy midtown Manhattan do not have the slightest clue about what the dining scene in Los Angeles is all about

    2. How can this possibly happen? Is LA really considered that pointless of a city to visit?

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      1. re: BacoMan

        Let's hope more folks think that. They're crowding me out of my eating holes as it is.

      2. LA is great for those that enjoy all spectrums of dining and cuisine, not so much for the myopic critic with limited palate.

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        1. re: Porthos

          I still don't get it. What is it these people are looking for?

          And how can Mt. Caramel have more of it than all of LA?

        2. The Ten Worst Cities for Foodies...

          New York, San Francisco, Philly, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Phoenix, Miami, San Diego, Las Vegas

          Stupid list?

          Yup. So's CNs.

          1. Of
            Course LA is
            Not
            A
            Foodie city because it's not
            Foodie based.

            It's better than that.

            It's a houndish city.

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              1. re: BacoMan

                Please re-read the Chowhound Manifesto

                1. re: J.L.

                  That would be read in my case. Where is the manifesto?

                  1. re: BacoMan

                    http://www.chow.com/manifesto

                    Everyone has one in his life: the brother-in-law with a collection of 800 takeout menus, the co-worker who's late from lunch because she HAD to trek to one end of town for soup and to the other for a sandwich. Chowhounds know where the good stuff is, and they never settle for less than optimal deliciousness, whether dining in splendor or grabbing a quick slice.

                    We're not talking about foodies. Foodies eat where they're told. Chowhounds blaze trails. They comb through neighborhoods for culinary treasure. They despise hype. And while they appreciate ambiance and service, they can't be fooled by flash.

                    No media outlets serve Chowhounds. They've never had a place to gather and exchange information. This discerning, passionate crowd has long been completely invisible and utterly disenfranchised... until now.

                    If you, too, fret endlessly about making every bite count; if you'd grow weak from hunger rather than willingly eat something less than delicious, this place is for you! Welcome to our community. Let's talk. Let's swap tips.

                    You needn't be an expert to participate. If you're less food-obsessed than the rest of us, but have a yen for egg creams, gazpacho, or Quisp Cereal, let the resident hounds guide you to the best stuff. Follow (and chime in on) the rollicking discussion -- featuring thousands of messages from characters all over the world.

                    1. re: ns1

                      Also...why isn't LA a good city for foodies? Plenty of people tell you where to eat in LA.

                      There's actually better critical coverage of LA than most of the other cities I have looked into eating in.

                  2. re: J.L.

                    I don't really understand I guess.

                    I always thought that that is what foodie's are.

                    Who tells foodies where to eat?

                    I find it hard to believe people here don't follow food critics at all...

                    1. re: BacoMan

                      What a "foodie" is has changed somewhat because of Jonathan Gold's rising popularity and this site, and yelp, but "back in the day" about 15+ years ago. A foodie in LA, was someone who collected Michelin stars, and followed Zagat ratings. This skewed towards white tablecloth fussy places that are now losing popularity. But at it's heart, it was about impressing others with the places you had eaten, and the places you ate reinforced your sense of self-importance.

                      When I was first looking for food review sites back then in LA (ah citysearch) in say 2003, they mimicked Michelin & Zagat. Formal, inoffensive, generic cuisine would get ****. Cool quirky hole in the walls? Not even covered. Chowhound really saved the day.

                      Because of yelp, and this site, and hipsters, and other cultural factors, in the last 15 years it's been more bout the rush to eat at that cool quirky hole in the wall - and so my personal definition of "foodie" has changed to people who are swayed by hype and atmosphere instead of quality of food. But really, it still goes back to that person who really cares more about impressing and being impressed than the food itself.

                      1. re: goldangl95

                        Yes, being a "foodie" is not something someone who is into actually food wants to be. Also, Yelp is a good site for a lot of reasons, but finding great places to eat isn't one of them. It rates as a high school on the path of culinary matriculation.

                        1. re: PommeDeGuerre

                          I'm ashamed to say that in the early days of Yelp, when I was first posting on it, in terms of culinary matriculation I was a mere kindergartner.

                          I still cringe to see the glowing review I gave the local "Mongolian BBQ" spot.

                          Yet I still use Yelp if I don't have time to hound a city out.

                          1. re: set0312

                            I don't think I was ever that bad...

                            I started with a 3 star review of El Tuarino, which I modified into a 5-star review of King Taco...

                            There was some confusion regarding the ordering at first...and, basically just getting fucked over for being a new customer/white guy.

                            I haven't been to King Taco in so long now... I remember really enjoying it when I first went though. But by the time I'd been there, I had already ben to Chichen Itza, so my standards were pretty high I guess. I refrained from reviewing Chichen Itza forever because I never felt I could do it justice... hah

                            1. re: BacoMan

                              Hah! A five star review for King Taco is pretty fun though.

                              I remember my girlfriend (Mexican) taking me there for the first time because her dad raved about it, and having literally no idea what half the meat preparations were.

                              Baco, you will enjoy that I went to Baco Mercat's soft opening back in 2011 (when I was finally starting to understand what food was) and determined it to be worthy of a four-star review.

                              The baco intrigued me, but I thought there was too much aioli on it.

                              1. re: set0312

                                Bäco Mercat was my real introduction into the world of food. I gave it a ridiculously glowing 5-star review that I still get messages about occasionally even now. I didn't review it until halfway through 2012 though. It was pretty much a life-changing moment for me.

                                I thought the original Bäco was a perfect dish for me. The kind of thing that takes a ton of different elements, and fused them into something that is still more than all of its complex parts. But I also had this incredible chipotle sauced pork porterhouse at my first dinner there, which blew my mind because I had never properly eaten pork before that. I was also introduced to the world of vegetables that actually tasted fucking incredible. I've never forget the simple perfection of Bäco Mercat's beet salad. Funnily enough, that dish may have influenced my palette more than any other dish at Bäco Mercat, or even really anywhere else period.

                                By the time I went to king taco I was already somewhat advanced in my meat knowledge. In retrospect it seems like their only real advantage is their red sauce. It is a really awesome sauce, I'll give them that. I remember having the lengua quesadilla and cabeza tacos there though. The cabeza made no sense to me, but the lengua quesadilla was nice. It was somehow reported as being an additional 400 calories more than the carne asada quesadilla though, which I never could fully understand. I remember being very disconcerted by that, and deciding that just getting the all-meat asada burritos and dousing them in red sauce was pretty much the way to go there.

                                But I sort of moved on the Leos Tacos after a while. Not sure why...the pastor is better I guess, even if the red sauce isn't quite as awesome.

                                Another place I used to love in my early days was Number Nine in Long Beach...but you know...I think I still do haha

                                The first places I ever ate at in LA though were Pho in Silver Lake, and Ruen Pair in Thai Town. I have a very early glowing review of Ruen Pair. So at least I've known at least decent thai food since my earliest days =P

                                1. re: BacoMan

                                  Pho in Silverlake and Ruen Pair are some decent spots!

                                  Tacos Leo is better. And easier. I've waited twenty-five minutes for food at El Taurino and King Taco always closes earlier than I'd like. I still am not a huge fan of cabeza or lengua.

                                  As far as affinities go, there will always be a special place in my heart for La Taquiza by USC. The mulitas (which Gold interestingly raved about like fifteen years ago in Counter Intelligence) are a thing of beauty.

                                  Although I must say it was Chichen Itza that swayed me to good food. Sophomore year at USC, I went there and my entire food foundation was rocked.

                                  1. re: set0312

                                    It is probably no accident we share such similar tastes then. Ultimately, Chichen Itza was also my first imprint on truly good food. Bäco Mercat was my first imprint on the more upscale version, but I never would have been looking for Bäco if not for going to Chichen Itza...funnily enough, also in my sophomore year at USC.

                                    (Did you ever eat at any of the USC restaurants? Moreton Fig was good enough that I am surprised it was never reviewed by any food blogs, or periodicals. They used to do a pork chop milanese with a lardon vinaigrette that was damn good.)

                                    My only gripe about Leos is that they don't make their own tortillas... they would really step things up to a new level if they did that. But I digress.

                                    1. re: BacoMan

                                      Baco--you're a Trojan as well? It always seems we are underrepresented on these boards. I see lots of Bruins though.

                                      Ate at moreton fig but never for dinner. So it was always burgers and sandwiches and that stuff.

                                      1. re: set0312

                                        They had the pork chop milanese at lunch. Believe me, I ate a lot of lunches there. I used to love sitting on the couches underneath the huge tree, drinking wine, eating burrata caprese, and reading/writing until the pork chop arrived. I rarely ate there for dinner.

                                        I ate many dinner at McKay's, the unknown restaurant, with surprisingly good steak, and plenty of cheap double shots of crown royal, and strong long islands.

                                        Lest you think I am one of those rich kid frat bros though...I was not. I never really fit in there, and hung out mostly with professors, or by myself. And the only reason I mostly at at those places on Campus, albeit pretty good places, was because I had scholarship money that could be loaded on that awesome USC card and used as cash at those places, haha.

                        2. re: goldangl95

                          I always thought it was Jonathan Gold's "Counter Intelligence" (predating Chowhound) who really focused the spotlight on the "cool quirky holes in the wall". I remember reading him avidly in the LA Weekly and thinking, "now THIS guy is kewl."

                          1. re: goldangl95

                            Formal to quirky is not necessarily a great trade off