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scunge Apr 29, 2014 01:21 PM

For what I understand all lamb being grass fed is a healthier choice than most beef. With that said what are the negatives? Hormones? and is there a reputable source for a healthy product? Is buying from a Halal meat market healthier? Thanks

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    VenusCafe RE: scunge Apr 29, 2014 02:15 PM

    All I know is that a chef told me that lamb smelled SO BAD
    that he could barely force himself to prepare and cook it.
    I've happily abstained from lamb all my life.

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      linguafood RE: VenusCafe Apr 29, 2014 02:20 PM

      Musta been some "chef".

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        Will Owen RE: linguafood Apr 29, 2014 04:19 PM

        Really! I think much more typical would be a man who cooked alongside my ex at a vegetarian place in Nashville; as far as she or anyone else knew he and his wife were both strictly vegetarian. One day he pulled out his prized knife and there was a nick in the blade. "Seth, what happened to your knife?" she cried. "Ssshhh!" he replied, blushing a bit, and muttered, "Lamb bone."

        Lamb may not be health food exactly, but it is much less productive of uric acid than beef, which I consider important for everyone and very important if you're subject to gout, as I am. I think the fat may be more digestible too, but I'm not sure of that. I never had any until I was in my teens; my father had been fed very rank mutton in the army and wouldn't have lamb in the house, but I had some on a trip to Chicago and it was love at first bite (to coin a phrase). Been nuts for it ever since.

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          ferret RE: Will Owen Apr 29, 2014 04:29 PM

          It was never on my mother's radar (she grew up with beef, veal and chicken - and the occasional goose -, never encountered turkey or lamb). My first couple of tries were hit-or-miss, neither a "wow!" nor a "bleh", but when I had good lamb, properly prepared, I was hooked.

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        ferret RE: VenusCafe Apr 29, 2014 02:20 PM

        Is there any context to this or is it just stream-of-consciousness?

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          LMAshton RE: VenusCafe Apr 29, 2014 08:03 PM

          I've encountered some lamb that smelled. I've come across far more that didn't - and happily bought it, cooked it, and ate it. Yum!

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            ipsedixit RE: VenusCafe Apr 29, 2014 08:05 PM

            Take a sniff at Betsy sometime ...

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            ferret RE: scunge Apr 29, 2014 02:17 PM

            Lamb is not immune to factory farming and can also be grain-finished, so grass-fed is not guaranteed. Halal is not a quality certification, it's a method of slaughtering, just like Kosher certification. Some Kosher certifications ("glatt" is an example) take extra steps to assure that the animal is in better health but it's not a guarantee of meat quality or farming methods.

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              scunge RE: ferret Apr 29, 2014 03:16 PM

              Thanks for that info. I'll have to research further to find a supplier that meets my standard .

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              JoeBabbitt RE: scunge Apr 29, 2014 06:43 PM

              It's not healthier for the lamb......

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                Harters RE: scunge Apr 30, 2014 04:11 AM

                To me, there are no negatives to eating lamb and we probably eat it more often than beef. I would always prefer to eat a lamb chop, rather than a beef steak. Or a lamb meatball over a beef one.

                It is, almost inherently, free range so I don't have any ethical purchasing decisions to make that I may have with other meats. I am happy to buy supermarket lamb without qualms, where I may not always be able to source acceptable other meats there. That said, I buy most of our meat either at farmers markets or direct from a farm, over the internet. The farm we currently use is organic and we can get beef, lamb and pork from them. Certainly I don't see lamb or other sheep meat being healthier than other meats.

                As for halal (or kosher) meats, there are no health benefits. Halal & kosher meats are mainly about animals being slaughtered in specific ways to accord with religious doctrine.

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                  treb RE: scunge Apr 30, 2014 07:35 AM

                  I am told that American bred lamb is less gamey tasting than New Zealand or Australian. I also believe that prepping and marinating will change the flavor profile for lamb.

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                    Harters RE: treb Apr 30, 2014 07:55 AM

                    I've never tasted lamb that was "gamey". Not even when it's actually been hogget or mutton - they just taste like lamb, but a more pronounced flavour. I never buy NZ lamb as I find it too mild. On the other hand, I've eaten some excellent full-flavoured Colorado lamb when I've visited America.

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                      fldhkybnva RE: Harters Apr 30, 2014 10:04 AM

                      I hate that description of lamb, lamb tastes like lamb, not game.

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                        Harters RE: fldhkybnva Apr 30, 2014 10:24 AM

                        I wouldnt even say that game tastes generically gamey. Venison tastes like venison, pheasant like pheasant and rabbit like, well, not very much of anything.

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                          treb RE: Harters Apr 30, 2014 10:39 AM

                          OK, yes lamb tasted like lamb and chicken..... well like most everything else.

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                            linguafood RE: treb Apr 30, 2014 10:44 AM

                            Lamb that tastes like chicken? Ho boy, would I be disappointed.

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                              hill food RE: linguafood Apr 30, 2014 07:00 PM

                              now if we could breed chicken that tasted like lamb we'd be on to something big...

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                                treb RE: linguafood May 1, 2014 06:56 AM

                                You read my 'and' with an implied 'also' chicken tastes like well..... BTW - I have a killer marinade for leg of lamb.

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                                  opinionatedchef RE: treb May 1, 2014 03:49 PM

                                  oooh, tell us!

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                              Will Owen RE: Harters Apr 30, 2014 06:42 PM

                              Harters, a good wild rabbit definitely has a flavor. My father was an excellent woodsman and good shot, and we ate quite a few of those in season, usually simply browned and braised, sometimes as häsenpfeffer. But you're right about the tame ones … though there used to be a rabbit restaurant outside of Anchorage, AK, open only during the warmer months, where the "pen" was a fenced but very large grassy lawn where your dinner's former chums leaped and cavorted and nibbled as rabbits do, and the meat was much the better for it. For those tender souls not willing to view this there was another room with a good view of the parking lot.

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                                hill food RE: Will Owen Apr 30, 2014 07:02 PM

                                and if you grow 'em a good forage of rosemary, garlic and fennel you're halfway there.

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                                  Harters RE: Will Owen May 1, 2014 01:36 AM

                                  Will - I was speaking sort of comparitively, in the context of the thread. Rabbit is always a delicate meat, even when wild - wild is commonly available for sale in the UK. Mr Bunny is regarded as an agricultural pest, so it's always open season on shooting them ( as it is with pigeons), which means it's generally always available at butchers and farmers markets. Supermarkets tend to sell farmed rabbit which, generally speaking, is extremely mild in flavour.

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                                    Will Owen RE: Harters May 1, 2014 05:02 PM

                                    And as you've certainly learned by now it's not legal to sell truly wild game of any sort in the Land of the Free, probably because heaven knows where the little darlings have been and what diseases they're carrying, as though the woods were somehow filthier than those stockyards. There are game farms that raise and slaughter deer, boar and probably hare as well, and outfits such as d'Artagnan that sell them for eye-watering sums, but the only way most of us will get to eat a "free-range" rabbit here is to raise them, hunt them, or know someone who does.

                                    Okay, we'd better get back to the baa-lambs …

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                            tardigrade RE: treb Apr 30, 2014 08:14 PM

                            I've had the opposite experience, but that could be the store I buy meat from. The older the animal, I've found, the stronger the taste and smell.

                            If you're used to beef, lamb has a distinctive small and taste that can take some getting used to. I think it comes from the higher fat content, and when I buy a leg of lamb I usually trim as much of the fat off as possible.

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                              opinionatedchef RE: tardigrade Apr 30, 2014 09:36 PM

                              i have no problem using the term 'gamey' to refer to meat that has a 'stronger, wilder flavor.' And my good Greek chef/friend taught me years ago that one must spend alot of time removing the fat from lamb before cooking it- in order to remove that gaminess. It's always worked for me. Lots of fat between those muscles. So I usually end up with pieces of diff sizes, off the bone. I don't ever prepare a bone-in leg of lamb.

                              When i was in business, my vendor called this labor intensive state- 'boned, de-fatted and seamed' and it was about twice the cost of 'as is'.

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                                hill food RE: opinionatedchef Apr 30, 2014 10:23 PM

                                I like the gamey quality, if I don't want flavor when eating flesh I'll eat boneless skinless chicken breast or processed turkey. but even then I'd rather just have tofu.

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                                  Will Owen RE: opinionatedchef May 1, 2014 05:21 PM

                                  Second the vote for gamey, hill food. My favorite cuts of lamb are neck and shoulder, both of which I've used in cassoulet, neither boned nor trimmed until final assembly.

                                  It's interesting to note a significant cultural difference between UK and US tastes in Harters' comments below. In this country people reject strong flavors and pay extra for the most innocuous meats, although we 'Hounds and like-minded food freaks are beginning to appreciate goat and mutton where it can be found. The only purveyors of mutton to Middle America I know of are the two or three barbecued-mutton restaurants still surviving in Kentucky.

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                                    hill food RE: Will Owen May 1, 2014 11:04 PM

                                    oh I love shoulder chops and broil 'em like I would loin (shorter time) and they're cheaper!

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                                  Harters RE: tardigrade May 1, 2014 01:40 AM

                                  You're absolutely right, tardigrade. Meat from any older animal is always going to have a more developed taste than that from a young one. It's why mutton and hogget always carry a premium price over young lamb. Same happens with older beef cattle and, in my experience, also with organic free range chicken which tend to be allowed to live longer before slaughter. As in most things in life, you get what you pay for.

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                                    scunge RE: Harters May 1, 2014 03:48 AM

                                    Like many strong ,oily and "gamey" fish, the use of herbs are preferred. Oregano,thyme ,rosemary etc.with liberal use of lemon when cooking lamb .I'm not fond of the traditional mint jelly.

                              2. nsenada RE: scunge Apr 30, 2014 10:47 AM

                                Beef brisket is good for you. It's science. http://www.chron.com/news/health/arti...

                                1. bagelman01 RE: scunge May 1, 2014 05:27 PM

                                  "For what I understand all lamb being grass fed..."
                                  Not all lamb is grass fed. Some id grain/feed lot finished
                                  Some is sold by local farmers that is milk fed, like veal
                                  " Is buying from a Halal meat market healthier?"
                                  Not in this area, the Halal markets are in poverty stricken ghetto areas and notoriously filthy. Many have been cited, fined or closed down by the health authorities.
                                  Hallal is merely a certification of method of slaughter. It has no bearing on the way the meat is handled in the wholesale and retail process.

                                  "is there a reputable source for a healthy product?"
                                  Find a good local farmer where you can see the live animals and how they live, then place an order.

                                  I have a personal bias. I love US domestic lamb and detest the lamb that is brought in from Australia and New Zealand. I find it has a stronger odor/taste. I don't like to buy meat that has been either frozen or gas packed for long shelf life.

                                  I usually buy local lamb direct from local farmers and make the arrangements for slaughter and butchering. I don't mind freezing fresh meat that I have pruchased, so that I can have lamb in the off season.

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