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Why?

"I think it's time to put this thread to rest"
"I think it's time to put this baby to sleep"
"We're beating a dead horse her folks. Time to put this thread down"
"I am flagging this thread"
"What's wrong with this forum, this thread should have been shut down"

Really, why?

  1. Because there is a pattern on, and in the culture of CH, of threads starting out fruitfully, helpfully and cordially, that eventually, predictably and inevitably, go to Hell in a hand basket, and it's frustrating.

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    1. re: monavano

      "... eventually, predictably and inevitably,"
      I don't see the organic nature of these boards that way, mona, but I expect that's a difference in our characters.
      [c.f. centuries of French drama.]

      1. re: monavano

        That's true however by the time they do 'go to hell in a hand basket' the thread has been thoroughly responded to.
        It's usually time to stop anyway.

        1. re: latindancer

          Yes, I see this all the time.
          Great and often helpful points are made and the topic has nowhere else to go but off the tracks, which usually doesn't end well.
          I don't see how the mods can keep up with the status of each and every thread, so when someone does report it, it's just bringing it to their attention, and what happens next is their call.
          I liken it to little kids who can't police themselves and their emotions. They run and run and run until exhausted and don't know when to quit.
          Then, the crying and tantrums start.

          The time to intervene is before the ugliness starts, or at least, nip it in the bud- which has worked many times, that I've seen.
          Mods aren't always successful getting things back on track, despite their efforts, and the only thing left to do is stop it.
          Sometimes, it sucks and isn't fair.

      2. Flag and move on is my motto. No need to tell anyone.

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        1. re: melpy

          ...is usually the only sane response, because trying to stop the tide is generally fruitless.

          1. re: melpy

            What's a 'flag'?

            1. re: latindancer

              It's the "report" symbol and word at the bottom of each post highlighted in red which, when clicked on, opens up the box to say what sort of problem you are reporting and a place to add your comments if you so desire. Or were you being ironic? If so please ignore this reply.

              "RECOMMEND - LINK - FLAG - REPLY"

              1. re: Servorg

                <Or were you being ironic?>

                No. I've never noticed nor used the symbol but I'm assuming others do.

                1. re: latindancer

                  beneath the last line in a post, just float your cursor and you get the options Servorg mentioned.

                  if you choose to 'flag' it will ask you for a simple reason (sorry it's been a while) like if it was inappropriate, vile, irrelevant, etc. and the chance to include a brief description.

                  1. re: hill food

                    Hahaha I had to hit the flag on your post just to see if there was literally a "vile" option! Unfortunately there wasn't but there is a vulgar option, which doesn't seen nearly as offensive as a vile option. Lol

          2. I think the last one is different from the others in that it's expressing an opinion, not purporting to exert authority. If I cared enough anymore, I might make that last comment, but when I (rarely these days) bother to report posts, I don't comment. Indeed, the Chowhound PTB, did, at least at one time, request that posters not do so since it just makes on more post to "clean up" if/when they choose to do so.

            1. You can Flag those posts -- we generally remove them. If people think a thread should be locked or removed, we ask that they Flag the thread rather than posting in it.

              1. Hi, Bellachefa:

                Because angels fear to tread there?
                Because they can't look away?
                Because clucking your tongue via keystroke doesn't work?
                Because a friend picked a fight and is losing?
                Because they're pretending to be a moderator?

                Those are my leading candidates for explanations.

                Aloha,
                Kaleo

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                1. re: kaleokahu

                  Because they're like those drivers in the fast lane who go the speed limit and won't pull over to let others go fast.
                  They're the road monitors.

                  1. re: latindancer

                    This is the best post I've seen on here, probably ever.
                    I seriously hope you're not being sarcastic and I missed it...

                    1. re: EatFoodGetMoney

                      No, I'm not being sarcastic :-).

                      The self-appointed 'you're going to follow the rules no matter what it takes' is the worst, I've found.
                      If I want to go 10 miles over the speed limit then let ME be judged by a policeman or whatever authority has jurisdiction. Not them and their holier-than-thou, 'rule follower' selves. A person who stays in front of me on a busy freeway, showing ME how to follow the rules is beyond stupid and arrogant. They're likely to cause more trouble than most in their hell-bent obsession to show me who's boss.
                      I have enough confidence in the moderators on CH who seem to know when to draw the line when it comes to proper decorum. They know when to do their job without the 'busy bodies' helping them.
                      In the case of a thread, and somebody being offended, I find it better to walk away then tell on somebody.

                      1. re: latindancer

                        While I get your point, I think you should consider that the mods and their policy of encouraging people to flag posts they consider problematic contributes greatly to the problem. By "deputizing" every 'hound, it empowers those who already have a hall monitor mentality to attempt to impose their view of the rules on everyone else.

                        In other words, it's at least partially created by CH's flawed moderation policy.

                        1. re: carolinadawg

                          Well, if it's true that the mods can't read every post, then how would they find out about things that need to be looked at?

                          1. re: c oliver

                            More mods?
                            Less moderation?
                            Something else?

                            1. re: carolinadawg

                              How does a CH flagging a post hurt in any way?

                              1. re: c oliver

                                I think my post pretty well explained my point, but since you seemed to have missed it, I'll attempt to expound a bit. I never said, or implied, that the actual flagging "hurt" in any way. I simply pointed out how, in my opinion, the active recruitment of posters to "help" the moderators by flagging posts empowers some people to attempt to "play" moderator on their own and impose their idea of the "rules" on certain threads.

                                Call it an unintended consequence of the moderation policy.

                                1. re: carolinadawg

                                  Ah, you mean going beyond the flagging and then commenting. In the last year or so, I flagged a clear troll but then couldn't resist replying "You know you've been reported, right" or something like that :) I got deleted and a "note." I think I've mostly stopped that naughty habit :)

                                  1. re: c oliver

                                    I think you need to read latindancer's post to which I was responding, as well as the OP. The issue is posters who tell others it's time to stop posting, of a post should be locked, etc. I think it happens because people view themselves as "amateur" moderators due to the well stated policy of mods recruiting 'hounds to flag posts.

                                    PS. I agree it's hard not to want to give the trolls a little "extra"!

                                    1. re: carolinadawg

                                      Oh, I know. I think it mostly happens when someone makes the 5 millionth post about what to do with cottage cheese :)

                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                        Ok I think this has gone on long enough. You have obviously stated, restated, tri-stated your point. Enough is enough. I'm flagging this post, this thread and this entire board. Dawg you are out of order, this entire thread is out of order!!! LOCK IT!!!! Flag! Lock! Flag! Lock!

                                        Don't get me started on that C. Oliver!!!! Flag!

                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                          I get the feeling you just threw a flag on this play...

                                          1. re: Servorg

                                            I put on my old foot locker uniform just for this thread!

                                          2. re: jrvedivici

                                            Oh, junior, STFU :) With all my love!

                                          3. re: carolinadawg

                                            A lot of interesting threads have died too young because of this I think. I do wonder about the hounds who say how much the thread bothers them but keep coming back to that thread.
                                            There was an amazing discussion about fasting a few years back where the OP was just asking about how to break a fast. I learned so much before the door got slammed shut. A lot of hounds scolded the OP which made me cringe but some hounds have thicker skins and she seemed to be dealing with the dogpile well. That thread and a few others felt like those who wanted to participate in a discussion just got shouted down. Great thread and thanks for starting it Bella.

                                            1. re: givemecarbs

                                              Good point. I'd be interested to know if the 'unfollow' feature has resulted in less of that. If the 'team' doesn't have to intervene as often with the "increasing unfriendly" comment now that we can just stop looking. It's helped me.

                                      2. re: c oliver

                                        It doesn't. It helps the Mods maintain the high level of civility on CH, something that is, alas, a rare commodity on the interwebs.

                                        1. re: greygarious

                                          Well, that's my thought also but some others seem to see a downside. Since it's completely invisible I don't see the problem.

                                2. re: latindancer

                                  Spot-on about them slow drivers, and very astute of you to see it as the petty power struggle it really is. (This is a reply to Latindancer's comment).

                            2. re: kaleokahu

                              Aloha K, I guess we can't speak politely with a phrase or two in Hawaiian. Sad as we spoke kindly with respect. K asked me, "how are you?" and I responded "fine indeed, thank you"

                            3. Because there's no STFU button.

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                              1. re: Melanie Wong

                                Best response ever...

                                1. re: Melanie Wong

                                  We have a winner.

                                  1. re: Melanie Wong

                                    That's what the little yellow star is for! Makes it all go away.

                                    1. re: Jacquilynne

                                      The little yellow star is mo bettah then flagging everything you disagree with or mistakenly find offensive when no one else on a thread was offended.

                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                        Turning out the light on that little star is the best dang feature ever!

                                      2. re: Jacquilynne

                                        Actually, that's what the much lusted after "ignore" button would be for. Then only those you want to go away are invisible and you can still enjoy the on topic discussion.

                                      3. re: Melanie Wong

                                        I have to disagree, Melanie, unless you're armed -in which case I'll back away and let you graze your cattle wherever you want.
                                        [Because the vulgarity 'STFU' is of a piece with that, no?]

                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                          "Because the vulgarity 'STFU' is of a piece with that, no?"

                                          Street justice without guns. Sometimes you just have to shoot from the lip.

                                          1. re: Servorg

                                            I don't see the justice in silencing others, serv, mechanically or otherwise.

                                            1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                              I can see where telling Fred Phelps (or his disciples) to STFU could have value.

                                              I've always liked the following saying:

                                              "If one man calls you an ass, ignore him.
                                              If two men call you an ass, start looking for tracks.
                                              If three men call you an ass, put on a harness."

                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                1. I don't know who Fred Phelps is.
                                                2. I don't understand your saying, nor how it's relevant here. I've called no one an ass, nor have I implied it.

                                                1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

                                                  And any of us may need a "reality" check on what we are saying, or doing, at times. So the saying doesn't apply just to you, or me or anyone else in particular, but may apply to all of us once in a while.

                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                    ... and that requires vulgarity? Sorry, but I find such a dish inedible.

                                                    EDIT: and, yes, for the record, I can wear jeans (in public places.)

                                                    1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                      It's been said ad nauseum and repeated by 'hounds that CH doesn't moderate for profanity which IMO is quite different than vulgarity. STFU is profane and in this case funny as hell :)

                                                      1. re: c oliver

                                                        GTFOOH!

                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                          I know the CH culture as well as you do, c, but yours wasn't my point. 'Vulgarity' and 'profanity' are synonymous in my view, and I only wanted to express my discomfort with their use in discourse on a food board -no more, no less.

                                                          1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                            I mostly self-monitor with profanity esp. since I was rewarded with grandchildren. But I've read (and flagged many times) vulgarity that makes my flesh crawl. I consider the latter far worse.

                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                              It looks as though we're speaking past one another, then; a shame, but something that comes with the territory, evidently.

                                                              1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                No, I don't think so. I don't consider profanity to be vulgar and you do. Neither of us gets to own that beyond our own personal ethics. So I may report one thing as vulgar and you may report something totally different. Neither of us gets to decide. Dagnabbit :)

                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                  I honestly don't understand your English, c, but then that may explain why I've never flagged anyone on these boards, and never will; I thought I'd made my allegiance to the freedom of speech clear at the beginning of this little redoubt.

                                                                  P.S. I'm a professional speechwriter, for what it's worth.

                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                    That's the thing. Trying to enforce one's own personal sense of propriety is simply wrong. CH is a public forum, not my dining room, not your dining room. If you say something that i find offensive, but that isn't a violation of the CH Code of Honor, I have no basis to object.

                                                                    But that isn't how it plays out. Grand dad objects every time someone doesn't conform to his personal code. Mods pounce. Discourse suffers. CH becomes a junior high school with a nitwit vice principle in charge.

                                                                    1. re: sal_acid

                                                                      I find the mods conservative in deleting so I don't think an individual flagging something results in a particular loss to the convo. Do you? Maybe I just don't see those threads/posts.

                                                                      1. re: sal_acid

                                                                        Sal I agree with your post to the point on your nitwit comment. We have a valued contributor to the boards who is LindaWit, she might have a brother Nit, who could be offended by this.

                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                          I apologize to any nitwits that I may have inadvertently offended. I only want to offend people on purpose.

                                                                          1. re: sal_acid

                                                                            As a nitwit myself, all forgiven.

                                                                2. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                  Phil - one of the strengths of the boards is that they are international and that does create a challenge as one nations profanity is in another ones common usage.

                                                                  If boards were moderated to a blended national norm that reflected everyones norms it would be a fairly dull place.

                                                                  I already feel the standard of moderation is a little too "US" (no insults intended) centric and therefore some of the banter between posters gets modded a bit too quickly, or tops that pertain to a particular country are less well understood by the mods so get split off or deleted.

                                                                  That said, overall its not too bad and actually seems to have improved from a few years ago.

                                                                  1. re: PhilD

                                                                    I may not have explained myself well: I never flag bad or rude language -that's not in my nature- but I just don't like reading it.
                                                                    I do agree that CH's overall international attraction is a positive thing (indeed, I wish there were more of it) and, equally, that the site can tend toward North American solipsism.But whaddayagonnado?

                                                                    1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                      I would say the Site actually tends toward "American solipsism" (which, in a way, is almost inherently redundant). Those other citizens of the Continent don't really know anything.

                                                                      BTW - Are you saying that Hierokles and Philagrios never worked "blue" material? (Sorry, but, come on, if I'm ever gonna get a chance to make that call, this has got to be it, no?)

                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                        "which, in a way, is almost inherently redundant" ... the way you twice qualified that, Z, tells me you knew the dart was crass from the get-go; also untrue, as any world traveler will tell you -Americans have absolutely no monopoly on solipsism.

                                                                        Your Greek reference is quite clever, I'm sure.

                                                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                          Well, it can be tough to convey the staccato of hesitation when ultimately trying to take a shot at contemporary notions of "American Exceptionalism".

                                                                          Otherwise, I've just always thought the screenname you adopted was one of the best. Hence the acknowledgement.

                                                                          1. re: MGZ

                                                                            For that latter compliment, MG, many thanks -I got so tired of picking screen names, and by chance I was in a "joke loving" ['philogelos'] mood when I first came here. Now you've compelled me to research your references: it'll be good for me, I know, like fibre & fresh air, and ham on rye.

                                                                            As for "American exceptionalism," you'll never hear me singing that song.

                                                                            Pax vobiscum!

                                                                            1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                              oh now Latin? what's next? puns about Etruscans in Phoenician?

                                                                              this thread is over stick a fork in it.

                                                                              oh right comments like that are contrary to its point.

                                                                              1. re: hill food

                                                                                Excuse me, hill? You're dictating others' conversations now, and for the whole of this board? Golly, that takes some kind of hubris (sorry, more Latin!). Do I have to be careful now that the next thing you stick a fork in isn't my eye? because that's how your comment comes across.

                                                                                (I don't know about monavano, but I'm surprised that c oliver piled on; well, live and learn.)

                                                                                1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                                  Huh? What? What I do now?

                                                                                  1. re: monavano

                                                                                    Your forgot the smileys and butterflies at the end of your comment. ;-)

                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                      Could this be the end of this thread!?

                                                                                      1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                        We could only hope.....

                                                                                        1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                          "Could this be the end of this thread!?"

                                                                                          ....on my knees

                                                                                          1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                            Go ahead...pull on this loose (cannon) thread and see if the whole house of cards (and we have more than a few cards that have participated here) unravels...I dare you! (g)

                                                                                            1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                              You know you can now 'unfollow' by just clicking on the gold star, right?

                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                This thread is a combination of a guilty pleasure and that roadside accident you can't look away from as you creep by...

                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                  I'd say, compared to some others, it's stayed relatively civilized. I've found it interesting what annoys some and not others. I wonder if longevity on the site helps. There are things I don't even notice anymore.

                                                                                      2. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                                        hey don't stick a fork in my eye and tell me it's a mote.

                                                                                        yeah yeah I always forget to include smirky emoticons... all in fun, I hope you're kidding right back as otherwise maybe we should continue in Xhosa 'click talk' and tell jokes about the Bikya speakers all 3-5 of them...

                                                                                        and BTW I flag EVERYTHING c oliver posts and we all can see where that has lead.

                                                                                        1. re: hill food

                                                                                          I hadn't seen this post, hill! You flatter me :)

                                                                              2. re: MGZ

                                                                                Solipsism, Merriam Webster
                                                                                "a theory in philosophy that your own existence is the only thing that is real or that can be known"

                                                                                Thanks MGZ! I learned a new word today. Good conversation, everybody.

                                                                                ummm....no idea why this posted here in the thread. Meant to respond to MGZ further up. I'm sure someone will set me straight....heh heh

                                                                                1. re: applgrl

                                                                                  The 'RE: MGZ' link on your post goes back to one that uses 'solipsism'. Once a thread gets indented this far, it all flattens out.

                                                                  2. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                    consider yourself blessed

                                                        2. AFAIK, it takes more than one poster flagging to have a thread shut down or portions of it removed.

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                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                            Sometimes it seems to depend on how much weight each Chowhound pulls with her flagstroke, lingua. How quickly a post gets removed after being flagged also seems to depend on whether the flagged poster is on the frequently-flagged list, if there was such a list. I think there might be.

                                                            1. re: prima

                                                              so on that theory, is there a frequently flagging poster on a frequently flagging list? there in lies the question of just how much weight do the poster police and flaggers have on this forum?

                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                I'd think some Chowhounds who police and/or flag are some of the Chowhounds who get policed and/or flagged.

                                                                Whether the poster police and/or flaggers have much weight probably depends on the Mod who looks at the issue, and whether that Mod agrees with the flagger and/or the flaggee. Until we switch to RobotMods, there's going to be some bias. After all, this is an opinion board.

                                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                  "there in lies the question of just how much weight do the poster police and flaggers have on this forum?"

                                                                  Paging Jr. - Where is that boy when we need a laugh?

                                                                  1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                    We've been discussing the same thing on this thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/972828 . I think it would only be fair to track frequent flaggers along with the frequently flagged.

                                                                    1. re: ninrn

                                                                      We don't specifically track either of those things, but the mods are certainly conscious about when one poster Flags another because they don't like them or their opinion rather than because a specific post is actually against the rules of the site. Sometimes people do try to use Flag to win arguments, and we're aware of that. We don't simply accept Flags at face value -- we review what's been Flagged and in what context to make a decision.

                                                                  2. re: prima

                                                                    Oh, damn right there is. No doubt aboot it whatsoever.

                                                                    I cannot count the (overall fairly harmless) posts I've had removed since someone put me on the mods' shit list :-)

                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                      Perhaps that "someone" is you?

                                                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                        Perhaps. We'll never know I s'pose -- thankfully, I'm not losing any sleep over it :-D

                                                                    2. re: prima

                                                                      "frequently flagged list", interesting...I believe there is another list, "friends of the current mod" list and get special treatment, 'specially when acting like an ass and being generally argumentative and crude

                                                                    3. re: linguafood

                                                                      Is this the equivalent of "How many posters does it take to screw up (flag) a thread?" ;-D>

                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                        We look at every Flag. How many Flags something gets doesn't really weigh all that much in our decisions. We will likely get to things a little faster if they have a lot of Flags, but when we're reviewing the thread, we're mostly looking at the state of the thread itself to decide what to do with it, not who Flagged it.

                                                                      2. I'm a rubbernecker. I can't bring myself to unstar ANYTHING.

                                                                        Except maybe the cottage cheese thread. I think I got sick of that one.

                                                                        1. Because it's better than starting a thread to complain about other posters.

                                                                          1. Speaking of the Police;

                                                                            Young chowhound the subject
                                                                            Of foodie fantasy
                                                                            She wants to share info so badly
                                                                            Knows what she wants to say
                                                                            Inside there’s longing
                                                                            This post is an open page
                                                                            Book marking – NAF Board
                                                                            Is an open stage
                                                                            This girl who wrote a
                                                                            Half a page

                                                                            Don’t flag, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me
                                                                            Don’t flag no, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me

                                                                            Her friends are so jealous
                                                                            You know how catty girls get
                                                                            Sometimes it’s not so easy
                                                                            To be the mod’s pet
                                                                            Temptation, frustration
                                                                            So bad we try and try
                                                                            Snide comment, Mod’s waiting
                                                                            Account suspended this time

                                                                            Don’t flag, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me
                                                                            Don’t flag no, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me

                                                                            Loose talk off the boards
                                                                            To reverse they try and try
                                                                            Strong words in the Mod’s email
                                                                            The accusations fly
                                                                            It’s no use, the suspend her
                                                                            She starts to shake and cry
                                                                            No more posting on chowhound
                                                                            She wants to curl up n die

                                                                            Don’t flag, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me
                                                                            Don’t flag no, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me

                                                                            Don’t flag, don’t flag no
                                                                            Don’t flag no post of me
                                                                            [Back:] (please don’t flag no post of me
                                                                            repeat to fade)

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                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                              OMG, this is EPIC!

                                                                              (And it reminds me of blasting this song from my car in HS while my math teacher, whom I was *heavily* crushing on, walked by).

                                                                              You've won the internet again today, jr. Well done!

                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                That was brilliant!

                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                  foodfuser lives!

                                                                                  1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                    Please excuse my ignorance, but I do not get the reference.

                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                      A fellow 'hound and friend to many of us. He feasts in Valhalla these days. An example: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/838090

                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                        Thank you for the clarification, and thank you kalekahu for the now obvious compliment.

                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                          Some of us had off-CH relationships with FF and we miss him keenly still. He was a "friend of Sam F" if that tells you anything :)

                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                            {{pssssssst MGZ want to fill me in on the Sam F reference now???? Thanks buddy!!}}

                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                              Not MGZ, but you can see here how loved Sam Fujisaka was. Some of us still have Sam F. in our "CH friends" list. Didn't know him personally, but a true gentleman and ever so knowledgeable.

                                                                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/701461

                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                Thank you very much Linda. If you don't mind me asking "CH friends" list, do you mean to follow or read someone? I'm unaware of any kind of friends list on here.

                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                  It's the follow/read list to the right of your profile page. Sam and I often also did a lot of e-mail bantering, often in spanish, and usually putting some air in a bottle of Flor de Cana.

                                                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                    Ah, yes thank you for the clarification. Now that you clarified that I took a look at yours and......Oh My! Yours is much larger than mine Veggo.....you might have the biggest one I have ever seen. Not sure if I should blush or be envious you are so well endowed with followers.

                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                      I'm just an old timer by now. And please be careful when you say things like "you might have the biggest one I have ever seen" and "so well endowed". People take things out of context here and twist them to one's disadvantage....:)
                                                                                                      cheers

                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                        Don't twist it too hard is all I ask.

                                                                                        2. re: MGZ

                                                                                          foodfuser passed? I hadn't heard that. I always liked his silly doggerel. and sly comments, another to be missed.

                                                                                          1. re: hill food

                                                                                            Oh, hill, I'm sorry you didn't know that. FF/Dawson Sather was a real keeper.

                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                              maybe there ought to be a list on Site Talk of posters who have been verified as uhhh... morte, probably not really doable and fertile ground for pranks, yet still.

                                                                                              1. re: hill food

                                                                                                Of course, you knew about Sam, right? And moh? And danhole? Who else?

                                                                                                I think your idea is a good one. There are CHs that we don't realize they're missing for too long. x,c

                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                  I knew about sam and moh, some others whose names I sadly forget, hadn't heard about danhole either.

                                                                                                  there are those who just disappear (like the guy who spoke through his dog - just moved off CH) and those who are just gone with a capital 'G'. the verification would be the tricky part. as in: how many times has Suzanne Pleshette died? it's easy to perpetuate a hoax.

                                                                                                  1. re: hill food

                                                                                                    For the record I'm still in the alive and well column. Last night it was a little questionable, thought I was having some cardiac distress, turns out it was only gas. Wheeeew.

                                                                                                    1. re: hill food

                                                                                                      I could not think of anything more annoying than the guy who spoke as his dog.... Like a Seinfeld episode gone horribly wrong.....

                                                                                                      1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                        The Jimmy! It can come to no good.

                                                                                                        1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                          woof

                                                                                                          1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                            Aw, once I got used to it and got to know him, it was fun. And, boy, did I learn a lot from him.

                                                                                                      2. re: hill food

                                                                                                        I think there was a post on site talk about it.

                                                                                          2. Speed on. I'm no judge and I stay out of your way. I don't tattle on Chowhound unless I see a blatant I forget what it's called, an obvious self-promotion, like a first timer waxing about how great a place is to the tiniest detail. By the way, please don't drink or speed, 758 Texas highway deaths this year, alcohol and speed kill, and I do stay out of the fast lane on the freeway, and Chowhound.

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                                                                                            1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                              <Please don't drink or speed>

                                                                                              I don't drink and drive. However, if everyone went the speed limit there'd be a bigger traffic problem than there already is where I live. LA.
                                                                                              The outside lane is a passing lane. I use it to pass and then move over to allow others to go faster I if they so choose. It's MY choice if I want a ticket and I feel if the speeder so chooses then let 'em. I'm a major defensive driver and take driving seriously.
                                                                                              There's always, always, a do-gooder who just has to have around 20 cars in back of them to show 'they're' the good one…they're the one following the rules and everyone in back of them is now going to do the same because THEY say so. It's sort of the same on some threads. The ones who tell the 'offender' they're misbehaving….like a child.
                                                                                              It's the attitude, JC, that I abhor. The self-righteous buffoons.

                                                                                            2. I don't get the use of profanity, I don't see the need. I like a lot of older movies and profanity was not used, and they are better than much of the nonsense churned out today, all without cheesy computer generated effects.

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                                                                                              1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                language - it evolves - it is ever changing.

                                                                                                what some found vulgar 50 years ago 100 years ago....

                                                                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                  There are some interesting posts about the Hollywood Morality code that went to effect in the mid 30s.

                                                                                                  http://the-toast.net/2014/04/17/pre-c...

                                                                                                2. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                  Profanity and or vulgarity is for those who are slow, inarticulate, and have trouble expressing themselves clearly and intelligently. Nobody likes a garbage mouth.

                                                                                                  1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                    I do.

                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                      Good to know

                                                                                                    2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                      Clearly, no Mensa member, in the history of the world, has ever dropped the f-bomb.
                                                                                                      Signed,
                                                                                                      A really, really, really stoopid indivijual.

                                                                                                      1. re: monavano

                                                                                                        I'm sure they have, and using it occasionally is normal. But say, you're sitting at a bar, having a cocktail. The woman next to you is arguing with a someone, and every other word from her mouth is fuck, shit, ass, douche, weiner. Is this a pleasant way to pass time, next to such a classless individual?

                                                                                                        1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                          Depends... if she refers to someone as a weinersucker, then yeah, I'd die from laughter so I guess the joke would be on me.

                                                                                                          1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                            Sounds like a George Carlin routine...

                                                                                                            Of course there's a middle ground!

                                                                                                            Reminds me of one of my favorite shows, VEEP- the funniest use of the f-bomb ever!
                                                                                                            This season, they have not outdone themselves- yet.
                                                                                                            I'm waiting, though.

                                                                                                            1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                              That may be a more common occurrence among those spending time sitting in bars and drinking. It might pay not to frequent such places if one's ears are easily burned by it.

                                                                                                              1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                I used to know this guy who'd cringe at a woman using a toothpick.
                                                                                                                Everyone has their limits as to what is appropriate but to call a person 'slow and inarticulate'?
                                                                                                                Nah.
                                                                                                                I've known too many brilliant people who use the word 'fuck' in ways I never thought possible…
                                                                                                                Almost Shakespearean…especially with an accent.

                                                                                                                1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                  And, since this entire sub thread was generated because of one of the funnier posts on CH ever with her "no button for STFU" by Melanie Wong, I can't imagine anyone, anywhere at anytime ever referring to Mel as "slow and inarticulate." It just ain't gonna happen...

                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                    Perfect example.

                                                                                                                    I'm pretty sure, based on her post and how quickly she responded with just those few words, we can all agree she's somebody we'd all love to sit in a bar with.

                                                                                                                2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                  I'll agree, it's all about the deployment of the words. I mean, if that beautiful woman finishes the last swallow of her drink, places the glass on the bar, takes your hand, and whispers "How 'bout you get that ass of your's up off the stool and come upstairs? I wanna fuck the shit outta you." I'm thinking "pleasant way to pass the time" indeed.

                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                    Yes, I was wondering the same thing.

                                                                                                                    In other words, would BiscuitBoy turn down the invitation because she used that nasty word?
                                                                                                                    I've never known it to happen but I'm genuinely curious now.
                                                                                                                    Maybe this is a first.

                                                                                                                    1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                      Of course not, it's completely normal in that context

                                                                                                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                        Good to know.
                                                                                                                        Thanks.

                                                                                                              2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                Like Chaucer, Shakespeare, Joyce, Dostoyevsky, Sartre, Hemingway, Salinger, Baldwin . . . Gadzooks, the list is endless.

                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                  Yeah.

                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                    Hemingway...ah, a man's man, an everyday man (well except for the cat thing). I have a copy of the Nick Adams stories....can't remember a whole lot of cursing in that. I always felt the Dos Equis guy was modeled after Papa. "Stay thirsty, fuckers" just does not have the same ring. Anyway, you're taking my comment to an extreme...do any of the authors you cited spew filth the way some posters do here? Really?

                                                                                                                    1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                      Truthfully, Lawrence was probably more likely to use what we might refer to as "curses" than any on my list. But in a way, it's all really relevant to the times. Better contemporary examples would be screenwriters, since that is our form of mass contemporary literature today.

                                                                                                                      The bottom line is, words are just words and denying oneself the use of an entire category of 'em is akin to refusing to use herbs in one's cooking. As you've explained your initial comments, I understand what you ultimately meant, and agreed. However, I'll admit, I did find the "trouble expressing themselves" to be a bit of a stretch at first.

                                                                                                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                        Now ya got me curious. In order to not name names, could you just copy and paste a few examples of the "filth' that gets spewed. I'm serious. I don't see it that way so I'd like to know what I've missed. Perhaps I'll change my mind on the issue.

                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                          I was curious as to this as well. Most of the time I hear someone complaining about posters here the first thing that goes through my mind is........."is it me"?

                                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                            NO! It's none of yuse! I mean no offense...Let's let the sleeping dog lie

                                                                                                                        2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                          Ah, yes, Hemingway. Short sentences and all. Easy read. Boring as shit.

                                                                                                                          Perhaps you meant to say a "man's brain's man" :-D

                                                                                                                          I guess Bukowski's a little too strong in language to handle.

                                                                                                                          Dr. Seuss put out some excellent literature. No swearing!

                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                            Dr Seuss, the political satirist?

                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                              lingua - ever read Gertrude Stein's reaction to F. Scott Fitzgerald's first publication? he was really eager for her approval. "it was composed of sentences that had beginnings and ends" (OK I'm paraphrasing but that was about all she had to say to the poor guy just starting out).

                                                                                                                              kinda what much later Andy Warhol had to say about things "it's a fabulous book-like object" although why who gave a crap what he had to say about books beats me.

                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                Reading Bukowski has led to some truly bad decisions on my part. Each time, I was joyously oblivious to the string of events that would later unfold.

                                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                  Another poor choice of literary figure qua role model for a once developing mind: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainm...

                                                                                                                                2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                  "boring as shit"

                                                                                                                                  Proves my point

                                                                                                                            2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                              Having just chaperoned a high school rugby team, I have to disagree.

                                                                                                                              1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                BB I will tell you a few things, I am a rather inarticulate person. One of my biggest regrets of not pursuing a further education, and for not taking the education I did receive seriously is what I consider my lack of a full vocabulary.

                                                                                                                                Often times on these boards I will look at the writing of my pal, MGZ and be in awe at the depth of the arsenal of vocabulary he has at his disposal to weave his always entertaining tales.

                                                                                                                                Trying to write intelligently is a terribly burdensome task for me, no joke, if I were in my natural element I would be in a bar, dropping the "F" bomb every other word. However I would have to stray from your other example by calling someone a proper dick or cocksucker, rather than weiner, I'm not a weiner calling kind of guy.

                                                                                                                                I will just say this much, careful when you judge a book by it's cover, regardless how "vulgar" that cover might be to you. I can assure you that a boorish vocabulary might in certain circumstances be indicative of a poorly educated person, that does not always equate to a slow or unintelligent person.

                                                                                                                                -Or in other words-

                                                                                                                                Get my fucking point?

                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                  I invite you all to unshelter yourselves, and come walk my neighborhood, and hear the way the animals speak. None of you (well, one or 2 exceptions) post with that kind of language. This is the real world, and like it or not, you ARE judged by how you carry yourself, or how you speak. Going for that job interview? Applying for that loan? Trying to make that sale? Best keep that mouth in check, because nobody has time to get to know the "inner" you. JR, do get MY fucking point?

                                                                                                                                  1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                    I'm unsheltered, listen to the animals while I walk or run or dance…I love it and I, undoubtedly, will use all kinds of swear words throughout the day.
                                                                                                                                    I'm educated, well-read, hardworking, respected in my field and my family. I open my mouth as needed to make points and occasionally there's a swear word in there used with complete calmness.
                                                                                                                                    I get your fucking point and I'm not so sure I agree with your assessments.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                      Ok, my apologizes I did read into your other post incorrectly. (I just noticed I guess you edited your comment and or mine was removed?? Not sure but it seems the flow of our dialog has been altered)

                                                                                                                                      I'm not sure where your neighborhood is, but you seem like a decent enough person, but dare I say I think your surroundings have skewed your perceptions. We can become a victim of our surroundings and from your writing I think that is the case with you. Whatever it is you are subjected to daily, has tainted your impression of anyone who shares similar quality to those "animals" as I believe you put it in one of your posts.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                        peace

                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                          I'd also like to say that in this discussion, isn't the CH-neighborhood the only one that we're talking about?

                                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                            That wasn't the impression I had taken away from one of his posts.

                                                                                                                                            "I invite you all to unshelter yourselves, and come walk my neighborhood, and hear the way the animals speak. "

                                                                                                                                            From a few posts above us

                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                              Oh, I was speaking generally not about anyone in particular. Truly.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                        jrvedici - you sell yourself short. you have no reason to qualify what you post.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                          anyway only wieners call other guys wieners. uh unless one is referring to a resident of a certain city in Austria (Osterreich) that is...

                                                                                                                                          unless I were a resident of that fine city, I'd be more offended by that than being called a 'scuff-kneed scabby-mouth cocksucker' at least then one can say in rebuttal: "well shit, ya actually managed to get THAT right, I didn't think you had it in your piss-soaked brain motherfucker"

                                                                                                                                          1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                            Ich bin ein Berwiener?

                                                                                                                                            1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                              Thank you for your previous kind words, as for this latest post, I have no friggin idea what you are talking about!

                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                I need to use quotes more (but never emoticons)

                                                                                                                                                your words: "I'm not a weiner calling kind of guy."

                                                                                                                                              2. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                I think being called a "wiener" must be pretty awful.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                  see C - this is exactly why I flag and report everything you post.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                    I KNEW it was you :)

                                                                                                                                            2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                              I find here on this site that when profanity is used it's used deliberately for emphasis. I find that's true in my life as well. Sometimes I just want to say "damn, that tasted good" rather than "that tasted good."

                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                And other times, in life, when you smash your toe or something painful, crying out "dagnabit" just won't do.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                  Considering that toe stubbing seems to be a lifelong affliction of mine, the F-bombs, and M-Fers really do fly. And "dagnabit" is one of my fave words and one I've been trying to use more on CH :)

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                    Well, yeah, "dagnabit" is great when you're not in *real* pain.

                                                                                                                                              2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                Hahahahahahahaha. Plenty of smart, fast & articulate people would disagree.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                  Jon Stewart's name just popped into MY mind!

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                    Jon Stewart, Lewis Black, Chris Rock, Louie C.K..... god, the list is fucking endless, man.

                                                                                                                                                    But there are plenty of xtian / clean / "family" comedians out there for the faint of heart.

                                                                                                                                                    Fun for everyone -- even the most sensitive souls of CH :-D

                                                                                                                                            3. Not really sure, but I'm thinking a lot of folks here need to lighten up. I'm having trouble understanding why some folks get so fully invested that they can't just ignore or walk away from idiots.

                                                                                                                                              I DO get responding to or reporting personal attacks but, otherwise, it ain't that big a deal.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                Sometimes idiots are giving false info to others. Over and over again. The mods have told me that they don't/can't moderate for honesty so sometimes I will continue to go down that road as tiring as it is..

                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                  I guess I insist on doing my own research beyond what I read here, or testing the info I get from posters over time, so I have a reasonable sense of who to believe and who not.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                  CH is in danger of going down the same path as eGullet. Overzealous moderating will kill a site.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                                    But THEY get to decide who the jackasses are, not us. It is, after all, not OUR site.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                      Well, actually it is our site...in a practical sense. eGullet made the mistake of thinking that the mods were in charge. The members left in droves. Site nearly died.

                                                                                                                                                      How valuable is it to be in charge of an empty site?

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: sal_acid

                                                                                                                                                      Wasn't it only 2 weeks ago that people were complaining about too lax moderation? That the site was going down the drain because chitchat was taking over?

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                        I admit I am a complete whiner when it comes to chitchat on threads where information is being shared. When somebody asks how to roast a chicken and there is a fifty post subthread about stubbing your toe on the oven, which devolves into a groanfest about kitchen accidents and then on to dispensing medical advice, I get peevish.That said, Site talk is almost one hundred percent opinion-based topics, and therefore almost one hundred percent chitchat.

                                                                                                                                                        I do feel the quality of the site has slid a bit due to lack of moderation when it comes to chitchat. And yet, I tend to be a posty-pants when it comes to Site Talk. I just can't figure me out.

                                                                                                                                                    3. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                      I really have a hard time imagining how some Chowhounds survive real life. There's no quick little report button when somebody says or does something you don't like or agree with. You have to find other ways to deal with it, and a lot of the time that means to just keep on moving.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                        Yes, but in real life you can say whatever you'd like to someone, not just what you're allowed to say by some other person.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                          Agreed. There's little about CH-'relationships' that mirror real life ones.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                            You know that we are living in a virtual world
                                                                                                                                                            And I am a virtual hound

                                                                                                                                                            Living in a virtual world (virtual)
                                                                                                                                                            Living in a virtual world

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                          A lot more times it means ◔_◔.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                            I have a hard time imagining folks not understanding that posting here is a tacit acceptance of moderation and agreement to post according to CH guidelines.

                                                                                                                                                            In real life, you are more able to choose the company you keep and to set your own personal ground rules

                                                                                                                                                            Don't confuse the respect that some have for community and moderation for lack of assertiveness (vs the passive aggressive stuff you often see here) in the meat world. For real.

                                                                                                                                                        3. Police? I thought Chowhound was a free country. Maybe it's time for a revolution.

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: emglow101

                                                                                                                                                            CH is anything but free.

                                                                                                                                                          2. Some while back, I was suspended by another discussion board for using profane and aggressive language towards another member. The suspension was completely appropriate as was my choice of language - the fuckwit deserved every syllable.

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                                              Excellent f-bomb.
                                                                                                                                                              fuckwit.
                                                                                                                                                              Love it.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                                                I have a pretty much unabridged potty mouth, but I never call folks profane names in anger, oddly enough. But I do it mercilessly as humor.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                  Are we related?

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                    Tru dat!

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                      Yep. Me too. And so does my 74 year old mother so it must be genetic.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                        “Never use a big word when a little filthy one will do.”
                                                                                                                                                                        ― Johnny Carson

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: MrsPatmore

                                                                                                                                                                          except even I would would find offense and flag a term like "fuck-tard" as that is beyond acceptable (not that any one did, but that's a boundary for me)

                                                                                                                                                                          other wise I can offer all SORTS of things for any of you to call me. (heh)

                                                                                                                                                                    2. I agree, sal.

                                                                                                                                                                      CH is a commercial operation designed and run to support the profit base of its owners. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it does make things different than not-for-profit discussion boards.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. PhilD

                                                                                                                                                                        I agree things have improved in recent times. I used to get regularly pissed off at the moderating of the UK/Ireland board. It seemed designed to stifle discussion (when it wasnt favouring remarks made by American posters, deleting responses from Britons). Havnt seen that in a goodly while - although perhaps there just isnt the banter on the Uk board that there used to be,

                                                                                                                                                                        1. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/701461

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Dawg. I don't know how long that thread has been locked but it looks familiar to me. Perhaps someone has linked it in the past. The facebook link is no longer valid either. Thanks again.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                              It gets linked to periodically. I hope you read it all. He was the most unique CH and maybe person I've had the pleasure of knowing and still miss him.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. Yeah the neighborhood thing lost me too. is that a metaphor for BB's home board on CH, or his neighborhood literally?

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                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                                              literally, physically

                                                                                                                                                                            2. I ruptured my Achilles tendon and all I could muster was, "Gosh that hurt!" Seriously, I let fly with every 4 to 12 letter word I'd ever heard.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. If you don't like the subject matter or where the thread is going, then leave and visit another thread. No one is being forced to read anything!

                                                                                                                                                                                Not a hard concept to put into practice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Dinermite

                                                                                                                                                                                  I think it's actually easier said than done. There can be threads that start out REALLY interesting and informative and then go off into subthreads and even more subthreads. Sometimes people just trying to out-clever one another. You flag it but nothing happens. And occasionally someone will post something pertinent to the OP so you keep reading.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                    What would motivate you to flag "people just trying to out-clever one another?"

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                      When it is totally and completely off-topic. I love cleverness in all aspects of my life. But, dagnabit, stay on fucking topic!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                        When you sign up, you tacitly agree to moderation of participation and the terms of its owners: http://www.chow.com/guidelines

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                        What's difficult about leaving a thread that has gone off on to tangents?

                                                                                                                                                                                        There are subthreads on this one that I'm ignoring.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                          So the folks who have an interest in the topic should leave, and miss out on a useful discussion so others who cannot agree to respect a community about food can dick around however they want?

                                                                                                                                                                                          There are a lot of unmoderated places to discuss food online for those who require a social outlet more than food centric posts in food topics on a food forum. Shoot, nothing is stopping you from having your own group for free on another server.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                            You can always start your own thread on 'Special diets' :)

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                              Well really, nothing is food centric on this thread, and yet, everyone's posting on it!

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                                This is the site talk board. Its existence is meant to keep site talk off of food threads. They care about on topic discussion in these parts.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Dinermite

                                                                                                                                                                                          It really is that easy for me, but as I've learned time and time again, it's apparently not that easy for everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                                                                                                            You are inferring what is not at all apparent. On CH, when you log on, you agree to post by their rules.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Moderated forums are not to everyone's liking. I have friends who won't have anything to do with them. CH may not be for everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                            But don't imagine for a second that folks here who use the flag or prefer moderation need anyone's help to address issues in real life. I mean, for real.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                              mcf, I remember reading that Ms. Ashley comes to CH for entertainment so her criteria/tolerance may be quite different than yours and mine. I come to learn and to help others learn if I can.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                Ideally, it's both.

                                                                                                                                                                                        3. Hi. My name is 'xyz' and I'm a flagaholic.

                                                                                                                                                                                          In the beginning I was a casual flagger. I thought I was doing a service to all. I'm not sure when my flagging turned the corner from casual flagging to obsessive flagging. The power of the flag became an intoxicating. I'd flag in the morning and I'd flag at night, here a flag, there a flag, everday a flag flag.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh how heady it was to flex my superior opinions of what was and what was not appropriate. Then somehow it all went wrong. Other flaggers started flagging me. Everytime I posted, my posts would vaporize before my eyes. I was humiliated. Who would flag me? My keen sense of appropriateness was my cross to bear. Did these wannabee master flaggers not realize that I was born to flag?

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's been a long hard journey to admitting that I am powerless to the flag. I had become a serial flagger a flag hag.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                            Better to be a flagger than a nagger.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I agree, Bellachefa, I find it appalling, the lack of respect and the abundance of intolerance for those with diverging opinions and views are rampant on this site, and a lot of it is on my home board, but also throughout the site on other boards that are not region specific.

                                                                                                                                                                                            And I've never understood the moderators, and their piecemeal approach to moderating threads and deleting some comments but allowing others to stand. In fact, a poster referred to one of my comments, and went into a tired argument of how "some" people never travel out of their little neighborhoods, (paraphrasing here of course) and implied how lame and xenophobic those people are.....clearly referring to my comment. So my comment to her was to STFU as she had no idea what she was talking about while referring to me; she doesn't know my experiences or anything else about me, but felt the need to respond with vague comments that served as a backhanded way to slander me. Of course, my comment was deleted and hers remained. SMH......I guess I should have "flagged" her, yet I can't help but feel like a loser doing that, like a tattletale, and they would have ignored me anyway....

                                                                                                                                                                                            So I get what you're saying..... It'd be nice if we could all live and let live, not police things that we don't agree with, and, learn to tolerate each other more..... But I also hate that chitchat that invariably creeps into almost every thread too! Ah well, such is life on a discussion board!

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Satirist? The guy was a political lackey for the left.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                Realize that there's a problem right now where your reply to someone isn't showing up in the right place. They're working on it but you may want to edit by including the CHs SN...as I'm dying to know who you're referring to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dr. Seuss!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Likely theodore seuss geisel

                                                                                                                                                                                                    had that post been flagged as off topic or political, you would never know

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                      "had that post been flagged as off topic or political, you would never know"

                                                                                                                                                                                                      "but the places, oh the places, you may go...."

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've seen far more OT than that remain. Daily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I could live with that. The last thing I want to see when I come to CH is someone else's political bile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. This thread is starting to get pretty unfriendly in a lot of places, and I want to remind everyone that just because you're on Site Talk doesn't mean you can get personal towards other hounds. I'd also ask everyone to pull back from cursing -- I know it's sort of funny in the context of a discussion about cursing, but cursing in comments directed at other hounds has never been okay and in some instances in this thread, it is pushing that boundary pretty hard.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. I think "chowhound"(as a forum) really falls down because there is no "PM/DM" feature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Personal (P) or direct (D) messages (M) could possible save a lot of "thread drift".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pedalfaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                          But folks who welcome private conversations post an email in their profiles. Folks who wish to avoid such interactions don't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks. I didn't realize that was an option.I have limited vision and perhaps missed it on sign-up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: pedalfaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                              To clarify I do not believe there is an actual place to list and email. Most people, like myself, use the area on your profile to promote a web site or blog. You didn't miss anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have met many Chowhounds through my listed email. You're missing a whole lot if you don't take advantage of that feature!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Often they are sort of coded so someone doesn't spam them, but they are easy to translate. Oh, I just looked, it's under "Real Name" but it is obvious that is not what it really is. This is how I was told to do it back in the day, haven't even thought about it since til this minute.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: pedalfaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I missed it for a very long time, and have no excuse!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I just flagged this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. I respect that comment if it comes from a Moderator.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Those are the rules of each webpage online.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              If it comes from someone else, then that statement would indicate that the writer is tired of the thread, and has nothing to contribute.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              It is as they are conceding defeat, stating they cannot control the thread, and are out of ideas. If you are bothered by the longevity of a running thread, just stay out of it if you nothing to contribute.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Many webpages become the domain of a few people, stating the same points over, and over. Eventually, they become tiresome due to the mantra of a select few. That is how websites become dull, empty, and then close.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I find many older threads, some close to a decade in age, that one can always find relevance in, and perhaps add to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              A new generation of cooks and cooking enthusiasts comes along each year. Such threads can serve as answers for them if they have questions, and should remain open.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Allow them to stay open and the new kids on the block to have a forum to ask questions and contribute.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. I guess because some people, including cooks, have a controlling nature. A variant of this is seen every Thanksgiving when posters lament that it's so frustrating to have to cook for benighted family members who expect Green Bean Casserole and sweet potatoes with marshmallows and are unwilling to be instructed by the superiority and sophistication of the poster.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Querencia

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, I guess if they're lamenting then it seems normal to respond with alternatives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. what about the flip-side of this argument~ police who post - i.e. best donut shops :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I have reported this thread again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I reported you for reporting this thread again. Won't you report me too? Just call me Clark Kent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just reported myself for not commenting on this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        you can try reporting all you want if that amuses you, but it's most likely akin to being in a Kubrick movie with no final script.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Because you took advantage of a sinner
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        because you took advantage
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        because you took
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        because you took advantage of my disadvantage
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        because you took.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        or maybe a one-act play by Sartre - I'm cool either way!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think the moderators should just lock this thread, or better yet, delete it altogether.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Policer!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Waaaa!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm starting a whole new thread to bitch about you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You wouldn't be the first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yup, sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm sorry but you were serious in your other two posts about flagging this thread?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Junior Mervin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Police and Thieves

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just flagged you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Reportedly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now I'm back to thinking you just have a very, very, very, dry sense of humor! lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm usually flagging badly by the end of the day so I tend not to flag as much...but early on I'm unflagged,so the flags may fly...But enough pennant talk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I prefer to let my freak flag fly...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ErnieD

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Feel like you owe it to someone?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe he had the flu for Christmas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. A very odd phenomena was brought to my attention.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posters Who Police With Posses. I've begun to have recognition of posters who like to recommend their Poster Pals when they disagree with a poster they're not fond of.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I prefer to use the recommend button as a compliment rather then a weapon for groups.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I suppose that happens but I've not paid attention to it. When I hit "recommend" it simply means I agree with the poster. Sorry you haven't had that experience.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi, Bellachefa:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, and the practice has been likened to the Hector "Tio" Salamanca character from Breaking Bad dinging his little bell.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Best. Episode. Ever.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That particular leitmotif was 'da bomb ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I will have to look it up as I haven't watched Breaking Bad. I know ~ the horror of it all! I will be forced to google.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Years ago a guy had a site called "Discussion Board Warriors". Long gone now. But the group I remembered the most were the "cyber .. sisters". They swooped in together in droves picking on everyone who disagreed with their friends. Seen it many times on this board. Wish I could find that funny site but it's long gone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: miss_belle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not so long ago in a thread far, far locked I had the gall to propose that friendly groups among us friendly folk might be at all divisive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I am hoping that when people 'recommend' they are not of a "screw the previous poster" mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: miss_belle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not as gone as you might think, though the original URL is no longer active: http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Very funny, but illuminating at the same time. I fear I've had facets of a lot of these types come out to "play" on CH over the years. It's always toughest to be aware of our own failings/leanings. Maybe this will give me a boost in the direction of being a better Netizen? One can only hope...In any case, thanks for linking to the site, Jacq.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Multiple Netizen Disorder? Netizen Personality Disorder? Not sure what to call it, but I think you're on to something. Maybe we should we call the folks who publish the DSM? The guy from the website Jacq linked? The labcoats at Pfizer?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Nattering Netizens of Negativity?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm the front runner for the 2016 Presidential Election for this party.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Flame Warriors ~ that was it. Thank you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you Jacq and miss_belle. That was brilliant, just brilliant!!! Any day you can make another laugh and smile is a good day. Mahalo!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Happens ALL the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, it's true. You'd think we were back in high school again, huh??

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                When CH rolls out that workshop format across all boards, complete with the up/down voting system, I assume that the recommend button will go away. And since voting is anonymous, and is not restricted to CH members only, that should eliminate posse voting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As an aside, given all the personal info people share on these boards, I have a funny picture in my head of what a CH posse might look like.;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: EM23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  “[W]hat a CH posse might look like”

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Interesting thought. Hope it’s not getting close to “. . . and the horse you came in on” territory.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Truthfully, I’m still trying to figure out how something like this gets brought to one’s attention or, even trickier, how to master the skill to know when one ‘hound’s fond of another. Could CH matchmaking finally become a thing? Or maybe a Match.com-Chow app?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you catch some of the wars that break out on this board, before posts are deleted by the mods, the posse thing is apparent.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As for CH dating app, Eater beat them to it. http://eater.howaboutwe.com/?source=e...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: EM23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I have a funny picture in my head of what a CH posse might look like."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9... perhaps?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's one distinked possibility. I was envisioning something more like the shit show that is the View.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I hit recommend a couple of times in the past few days, once today, for a poster I many times have not agreed with.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well it seems that you have proper button pushing etiquette! I too will recommend posts with posters I don't often agree with. It's a freakin' food forum, not a 6th grade war zone in the recess playground!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You have been flagged.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Who brought that to your attention? one of your Poster Pals?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Why for example, does 'c oliver's reply get 4 recommends, and your's only one? Are they Poster Pals who are ganging up on you? Or do they simply agree with her position more than yours?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This isn't Dr Suess, we don't need a "Who" to have something brought to our attention.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I really don't have any pals, as I simply post here and don't email anyone on chow hound. I'm a lone ranger - grass fed of course.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I know of one poster who emails others back channel to defame and diss others. In years only one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have back-channel contacted others, but only to say to someone I felt they had caught a raw-deal and wrongly dissed, but not to the point of reporting - although I guess I did defame the troll in doing that...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When Sam F was alive, we had a group of eight or so who emailed each other. Our faves were Sam's "a-holes of the week" :) But it was left off-site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                would have liked to have seen that but, please, for the sake of harmony (and considering how long it's been) leave it off-site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Never my intention, my friend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Scary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've been around here a long time and have had direct email contact with exactly one other CH. That was to glean some very specific expertise I felt was far beyond any interest level here. Maybe it's just me. I enjoy most of you but would not likely want to spent more time with you in another medium. Nothing personal. The idea if 'ganging up' to pile on other posters just seems way beyond anything I'd even consider. I report posts I think inappropriate and recommend some I think are especially valuable. That's it!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm also wondering if this whole topic should be nominated for a place in the Topic Hall Of Fame........ if we had one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. People just take this shit way too seriously. Period.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            oh, so are you now saying we're just too INTENSE!?!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            imagine an inserted smiley smirky emoticon here

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Aww, lingua. You're right, but there are worse things, no? I mean, someone coulda scratched your copy of 'House of the Holy'. Or served you fries without mayo. Real Geneva Convention violation sh*t, you know?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              C'mon, join me in an eye-opener? After all, wise wonks know when to wink . . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Amen, but in a way, the schadenfreude is delicious!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wait, do I recommend linguafood too often? AM I PART OF A POSSE?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. This will sound snarky. I dunno, maybe it is. I have the urge to write such a post on threads the OP will not let die.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If a subject has been talked to death but a stray poster pops in and says something that was said 50 posts ago, the OP still feels the need to respond. They reiterate what they've already said, perhaps a dozen or more times in a lengthy thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The thread rises to the top, and grows like kudzu.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When an OP will not leave a thread alone, I actually think it's ok to suggest closing the topic since the OP will not let it die a natural death.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Amen. Yesty I gave up and clicked the gold star gray. Woof. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Amen, Amen!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Often, there comes a time to snuff that gold star, move on, and remember the thread fondly, in it's glory, before it went down the CH rabbit hole to die a prolonged death.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Just because I type fast and sometimes don't proofread.....a simple typo doesn't make me an illiterate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To police a but............is your post supposed to be in response to anything in particular? It's nested as a reply to the OP, but doesn't seem as if that was your intent? ;o)))))))))). Oops! Pardon. Didn't realize you WERE the OP. Well..... having to scroll all the way up on a small screen is covered in another topic. ;o)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        She is the OP. I suspect there may have been a snide, since-deleted, comment in response to her post on the Boston board linked here. http://www.chow.com/profile/1184595/p... (second post in string).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: masha

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ah! That'll teach me!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: masha

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've no idea what you are suggesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "To police a but............"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So you are the "but" police.......

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Watch out...he may cop a feel (or is that feel a cop?). But I digress...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hey! My mom was a cop, lets not go there!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  yeah and it's not Mother's day so there's no point in reflecting on how often she tenderly cleaned and powdered jr's butt for another 11 months.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thought I'd gone back and edited that but, no..... though I may be the 'butt' police. And, apparently, happy to provide some comedic fodder........ not mudder....... fodder.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Just because I type fast and sometimes don't proofread.....a simple typo doesn't make me an illiterate."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              True. We all make typos. But for someone who speaks English as a first language, things like "your welcome" shouldn't happen - that's not a typo, it's a silly mistake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi, sandy:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My favorite recent thread was one titled: "Mad about salt, pig" http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/978818 I thought they were blaming the police.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Once in awhile, we'll get someone who's apparently never learned about upper case letters or punctuation marks. Ten lines of run-on sentence becomes gibberish. It was explained to me by one such person that she "...was in a hurry, OK?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not OK.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's funny how the lack of caps no longer bothers me. SO many CHs do it. But the sentences that go on forever still make me nuts(ier) :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The deal with language is the same as with manners - the rules are there so that we can communicate and get along well. They are sort of the mortar to the bricks of a peaceful society.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No one is perfect and I'm not even close. About 90% of the time after I hit the reply button, I go back to read what I've posted and find I need to edit a mistake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ha, the other 10% of the time I don't catch the mistake!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "The deal with language is the same as with manners - the rules are there so that we can communicate and get along well."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Unfortunately for a certain sub set of people those two tools exist to prove to everyone that they are superior to those inferior folks that don't have the same pedantic command of the language nor the proper level of good manners as they do (or so they think anyway).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        too shay

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Whatever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So all standards should be lowered to accommodate a few zealots/nut jobs? I say no.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "So all standards should be lowered to accommodate a few zealots/nut jobs?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No. What should be done, and is being done everyday here, is to have report button usage and moderator clean up when those zealots and nut jobs lose control and attack others trying to build up their overweening ego needs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry, didn't bother to read it. Hope it was fun to write?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    whanoreportyoupolicerOKwhosuperorzealutnow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've got an "auto-ignore" button in my brain that allows me to neither try to read or understand something that isn't up to my personal standards. I don't need a moderator. I just auto-ignore the post. Works great and it's less filling and frustrating too...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ooouseitnowwhiletellothursutherwize

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This post A-I'd

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There must not be a lot going on in Seattle these days, entertainment-wise.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Can you take this childish behavior somewhere else?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'd like to continue reading this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If this is what it comes to, it's time for you to move on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is the antithesis of contributing- it's dragging this thread down into the gutter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              you've got to be joking. this thread was in the gutter the moment I started it. that was the point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And a wonderful contribution to the overall mission of the website at that. Well done.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The hilarious part is that it makes it easier to make the plainclothes police.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That brings to mind one of my favorite bands of all time, Buffalo Springfield when they sang:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Paranoia strikes deep
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Into your life it will creep"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi, Servorg:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Doubly ironic, then, that Stephen Stills' "For What It's Worth" was inspired by neighborhood busybodies and the silliness that results from involving police, rather than just reaching out person-to-person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yum, Chowishly ironic, isn't it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Unfortunately, what you present as fact, isn't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The "zealots", as you so unkindly categorize us, are hoping against hope to stem the tide of the ALREADY lowered standards that now excuse poor spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Communication suffers when usage deteriorates into a "tower of babble".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll be glad to send you a "mental download" for my auto-ignore feature that allows me to skip over any post I find unintelligible or not worth the time to try and decipher. That way I don't have to correct anyone's grammar or spelling and I can spend more time enjoying my, already considerable number of hours, on this site having fun.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If it weren't for the need to feel superior/ego, there would likely be little need for moderation, deletion, locking, this thread, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Somehow we would still need to account for shilling/spamming and the perpetually angry people who seemingly just can't stand the sight of others enjoying themselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        After that sub set was accounted for the moderators could probably sit back and sip tea and eats scones with clotted cream and raspberry jam for most of the day...(g)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll stick this post here, as I don't see a great place to put it - not aimed directly at you, foiegras, just at the conversation here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have watched the posts here last evening and today with some dismay. Are these accusations of ego problems and superiority complexes aimed at me? Just because I think spelling and grammar are important?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If so, not fair. I don't deserve the snide remarks. I didn't say anything terrible, and you folks don't know me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I even spoke about all of the mistakes I make when posting, some of which I miss when correcting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't understand.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Exiting now. Life is short and should be happier than this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Have a lovely day, everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            sandylc, just my thought, but I usually think I'm too deeply invested in this type of issue here....... until I see a set of exchanges like this one and realize I'm really not. I read these posts and hope my personal monitoring skills can keep me from diving into the deep end. It's just another form of entertainment sometimes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and let me run this past you -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I said earlier that there are mistakes and then there are typos - I left out "drunk".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So that's THREE categories of errors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        yeah, i never learned about upper case letters. they are a pita (LOL) to type as i lounge around on my bed, pecking out text on this crummy flat apple keyboard. please don't read my posts. ;-).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ps, ignore my own violations of my no caps posting regimen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think thing like your - you're, and two-too and are-our....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In my case they are typos. I know the proper usage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And then there is the auto correct the incorrectly corrects you and then someone feels the need to point out your typo, which witch in fact wasn't you typo at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "With witch in fact wasn't you typo at all"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: masha

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Typed in a hurry, perhaps? '-D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Writing "your" instead of "you're" has nothing to do with speaking English. It's about writing and spelling conventions. We don't hear the difference, though we may think it - based on context.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think it really matters whether something is a typo or 'mistake'. Neither should reflect badly on the person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But…but…they've got TWO HOURS to go back and read their post and make corrections.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If no one had highlighted an error in that time frame, I think they can even skip the "EDITED" addendum.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I no longer care about such. Turn it loose :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Lose/loose, breathe/breath. Those bug me too! "I'm loosing oxygen! I can't breath!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My autocorrect refuses to acknowledge the word "well", forever changing it to "we'll". While typos (my own) make me cringe, they do remind me that they can happen to anyone. I recently commented on the use of "cram" in butter-making. I didn't make it back within the 2 hour limit to fix it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Whoa! And the world did not come to a sudden end!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Crisis just barely averted :-D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah. It was pretty "anticlimatic" (I'm against the weather - don't you know?). (g)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Perhaps a new thread is in order

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posters Who Police Posters Who Police

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi, Bellachefa:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LOL. Sure, who wants to order the Moderator Cadet badges?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No one could SEE a Moderator Cadet badge, if used as an avatar.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hi, Kris:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Very true. That's the point of self-appointment--Cadets can wear their little tin star on their tocques, judicial bathrobes, fluffy slippers, etc. They'll be secretly scored and promoted according to how often they flag (and espouse flagging) the evil grammarians and dissenters. The very best will get scrambled eggs for their sun visors, Captain Obvious style.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No one is stopping anyone from being a total grammar pedant on this site. You can spell each and every word perfectly and never end a sentence in a preposition. But you can only do that in your own post(s). You can't impose those self anointed "rules" on anyone else here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you want to build your own sandbox and play grammar policeman there, please go right ahead. But over here in the Chowhound sandbox, you either play by the site rules, or you don't play at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. It seems like the tone of this discussion is getting increasingly unfriendly, and the same opinions are being rehashed, so we're going to lock the thread at this point.