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How can I get rid of the toaster oven on the countertop?

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ambo1972 Apr 14, 2014 10:17 PM

We are doing a remodel.
I am trying to declutter the countertops.
We use our toaster oven multiple times a day. We have young kids and we're always heating up leftover pizza, making cheese toast, heating chicken nuggets.
I don't want it on the countertop anymore but I can't find a 'built in toaster oven.' Surely I'm missing something!
I am thinking about an appliance garage, but really I'd prefer something built-in. Any ideas?
Also I am looking at the 36" dual fuel range from Wolf, feedback on that?

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    Johnny L RE: ambo1972 Apr 14, 2014 10:18 PM

    why not put it under the counter in a open cabinet with no doors.

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      kaleokahu RE: Johnny L Apr 15, 2014 07:29 AM

      Yes. I've done this at my beach house. I hung cafe curtains in front.

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        ambo1972 RE: kaleokahu Apr 15, 2014 03:53 PM

        That might work but I'd like to go for a real clean, streamlined look

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          kaleokahu RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 06:27 PM

          Nothing's more clean and streamlined than an empty kitchen.

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            ambo1972 RE: kaleokahu Apr 15, 2014 07:06 PM

            hah! that's a great idea.

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      debbypo RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 07:25 AM

      Why not have a custom under cabinet shelf designed with enough room for circulation around it.

      1. eLizard RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 08:25 AM

        bookmarking. thank you for posting this!! this could not have come at a better time. i wanted to ask this myself. but i've hijacked the board recently and been holding off!
        I'm going with a microwave drawer and looking to ditch the toaster oven. we rarely use ours, and i think it functions not particularly well as an oven or a toaster. plus i'm getting a second oven, so do i REALLY need a toaster oven, too?

        they do have microwave/convection oven drawers that I think I've seen.

        and i've been looking at appliance garages, too. we are 2/3 into a remodel.

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          kaleokahu RE: eLizard Apr 15, 2014 08:52 AM

          Hi, eLizard: ".. it functions not particularly well as an oven or a toaster..."

          Yes, IMO this is the nature of the beast--a semi-sorry compromise. I have a combo MW/convection/broiler at the beach house, too, which works fine as a MW, but is the height of mediocrity at playing the oven and broiler.

          In my case, the compromise has been necessitated by having never put in ANY full-size conventional oven. I actually like my open island shelves, so I've put up with it. I use a large outdoor Texas Pit for an oven when I need something that will accommodate more than my combi or toaster oven.

          The next evolution will be a Breville 800 smart oven and a "dorm" sized MW, both under the counter/island.

          "...do i REALLY need a toaster oven, too?"

          With two ovens? Not really, but you still probably need something like a toaster. But you might alternatively ask yourself if you need a second oven if you have a larger toaster-oven like the big Breville. It will handle a 13" pizza, two shallow 9x13s (1 tall), a roast chicken, etc. At $249 vs. 5-10x that for a real oven is a powerful argument for dispensing with oven #2.

          Unfortunately, unless you choose All-of-the-Above, there are compromises. The key is to minimize them based on your cooking style and $/space constraints.

          Aloha,
          Kaleo

          You might ask yourself

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            eLizard RE: kaleokahu Apr 15, 2014 09:11 AM

            thank you for such a thoughtful response to my post. the oven ship has sailed. i have the cabinet for it installed and the oven is sitting in my dining room. and i think those times that i want to make 2 turkeys or i want to get all the cookies baked for the cookie swap at the same time, or cook the roast in one and all the sides at the same time is when i'll be glad that i did buy a second oven.

            reheating pizza takes place entirely on a skillet. i even heat egg rolls and chicken fingers and the like on it, too. we have slice pop up toaster for toast. the hubs likes the toaster oven. so we will probably keep it. he gets as much say as i do. and i really got what i wanted on all the other appliances.

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              kaleokahu RE: eLizard Apr 15, 2014 09:35 AM

              No problem, eLizard. What do you use for toasting bread? If DH doesn't use the toaster-oven for anything except toast, consider junking it in lieu of a dedicated toaster. A good vintage Sunbeam T-20 can be had for not much money, and the Dualits are a good second choice.

              Aloha,
              Kaleo

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                eLizard RE: kaleokahu Apr 15, 2014 09:37 AM

                yeah, that's what we use for toast. a slice pop up toaster. sunbeam or the like.

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                  breadchick RE: eLizard Apr 15, 2014 10:52 AM

                  Pop up toaster here too. I don't want it on the counter, so keep it in one of the upper cabinets - just take it out as needed.

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            rasputina RE: eLizard Apr 15, 2014 09:47 AM

            I think it depends on what product you buy and how you use it. I used to have a Delonghi for years and we only used it for reheating things and toast and it worked ok. When it died I bought a Breville Smart Oven the full sized one. It's so wonderful I actually bake pies and breads in it along with using it for toast. With the footed cutting board on top I also have a place to set the items I take out of it to cool so there is no need for open counter space next to it. Putting it into a cabinet or appliance garage wouldn't be an improvement and certainly won't save any space.

            It heats up a lot faster than my full sized oven, has convection and cooks evenly and uses less power. Even with two full sizes I'd keep it.

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              autumm RE: rasputina Apr 15, 2014 03:19 PM

              We just bought the Breville smart oven after my microwave buttons stopped working. Love it, and can't wait to have it for summer. Only thing I don't love is I can't have any other appliances running on that electrical circuit if it's going cause thanks to my older home, we blow a breaker.

              I might have to get the cutting board for the top; it does take up counter space. . . especially as the microwave came back to life as soon as I opened the Breville box.

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                kaleokahu RE: autumm Apr 15, 2014 03:25 PM

                Hi, autumn:

                Did yours come with the pizza stone?

                Aloha,
                Kaleo

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                  autumm RE: kaleokahu Apr 15, 2014 03:31 PM

                  No, mine did not. Just the broiler pan, a round pizza sheet, and a 9x9 or so pan.

                  I bought it at Williams Sonoma. Same price as amazon and didn't have to wait for it to ship.

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                    kaleokahu RE: autumm Apr 15, 2014 06:30 PM

                    Hi, autumn:

                    I did see last week that W-S has the 800 at the matching lowest retail price I've found ($249). It never seems to go any lower, but I'm waiting for someone to include the stone or the wooden top before I bite.

                    Aloha,
                    Kaleo

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              ambo1972 RE: eLizard Apr 15, 2014 03:55 PM

              I have the opposite issue. I need our toaster oven, we use it every day!! I just hate the way it looks sitting on the countertop and taking up space, so I'm trying to find a more sleek/built in looking model
              I think I will do appliance garage though since that seems to be the only solution

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              Rigmaster RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 10:44 AM

              Hide it behind an appliance garage - looks like a bread keeper, at least one I saw on HGTV did.

              The simplest thing is to clean it and put it away after use or when company's coming.

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                ambo1972 RE: Rigmaster Apr 15, 2014 03:51 PM

                I think that I'll do the appliance garage.
                I just know I won't ever put it away :)

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                autumm RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 03:22 PM

                I don't have the Wolf range, but I would love one someday. . .

                As for the toaster oven, could you get a custom cabinet for it built? Probably be pricey, but it would meet your requirements. I've only had my Breville smart oven for a couple of weeks, but it will have a place in my remodeled kitchen someday

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                  ambo1972 RE: autumm Apr 15, 2014 03:51 PM

                  I agree I think I will get a custom cabinet built for it, or an appliance garage!
                  I'm excited to look at the Breville smart oven, everybody seems to love it! thanks for the feedback

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                    jjjrfoodie RE: ambo1972 Apr 16, 2014 05:54 AM

                    Be careful of putting a toaster oven inside of a cabinet or other enclosure and using it that way.

                    It's not a microwave. TO's use resistance heating elements and can put off a LOT of heat thus making it a very real and likely fire hazard due to it's nature if not allowed space around it. Heck, most can leave a nasty skin burn just buy touching the exterior housing if oven has benn turned on for some time was was used as a broiler.

                    And BTW, I own two toaster ovens.

                    Only way I would build one in is to build a sliding shelf with dwr slide ends rated for the TO's weight and then open the cabinet doors and pull/slide out shelf and oven and turn on.
                    Stow away once cool.

                    No way I would even think to use one inside a wood or fiberboard based cabinet. Especially if enclosed on 5 sides. Heat rise and even on the counter, cabinets and/or items above it can get pretty damn hot.

                    Do what you want but 20 years of practicing architecture and design as well as many a burned/melted plastic item and singed paper cup when my own family members unknowingly left them on top of the TO when using it means I am very respectful of it's heat and good and bad potentials.

                    They are awesome as using far less engery and heat for samll item cooking, but lack insultaion and directed venting like the big stoves.

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                      ambo1972 RE: jjjrfoodie Apr 16, 2014 09:47 AM

                      thx! I appreciate your feedback! I will definitely keep that in mind. I am thinking I will do the sliding shelf, and only operate the TO when it is open. Then keep it open til it cools. I really appreciate the input

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                        SWISSAIRE RE: jjjrfoodie Apr 16, 2014 10:42 AM

                        To add, the caution about heat radiating from the toaster oven is correct. Especially if it is to be used frequently.

                        I had first thought of buying a small commercial restaurant type gas broiler, but the properties in Brasil are primarily 230v electrical serviced, with wind generating electrical tower " farm " behind us on a hill.

                        The Dell Anno cabinets and shelving were bespoke, or custom designed, installed about a decade ago. The open shelf I used in Brasil was actually made for a very large microwave oven. The toaster oven takes only 30 % of that with quite a bit of open space above and to the sides, and thus it is well ventilated.

                        Had we used a gas broiler, there would have been nothing above it, or to the sides, just as one would find in a restaurant kitchen. Being at the beach, the built-in microwave has been replaced once, along with a refrigerator ( some of the small appliance circuitry doesn't like salt corrosion in the air).

                  2. justbeingpolite RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 03:46 PM

                    I'm not quite sure I understand the thread, and what you're looking for, but:
                    how about:
                    http://www.amazon.com/LG-LCSP1110ST-C...
                    Combo microwave/toaster oven with a pizza drawer that I'm sure would toast bread, no?

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                      ambo1972 RE: justbeingpolite Apr 15, 2014 03:49 PM

                      that is cool, i haven't seen something like that.
                      that says it is for countertop, what i'm looking for is something like that, but that can be built in

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                        justbeingpolite RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 05:15 PM

                        I figured you could build it in wherever you were going to put a microwave.

                    2. SWISSAIRE RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 04:39 PM

                      Hi ambo -

                      My wife and I went through this a few decades ago after a kitchen remodel in our home.

                      First, this was a major remodel, knocking out walls, adding light, windows, flooring and a countertop island. Essentially more casework and cabinets, joining the living room to the kitchen. No wall meant more outside light, and a flow pattern walking directly to the outside. Everyone and everything there also shares the open fireplace in the Winter.

                      Having had the previous technical look with stainless steel walls and counters, we went to a long countertop of dark granite, with everything, including appliances (toaster oven), removed.

                      Save 2 coffeemakers (a Nespresso and Capresso), it was all removed and placed into cabinets. Knives, spices, tools, cutting boards, blender, grinders, pots, pans, and yes the toaster too. We then realized that the toaster oven to us, had been used more as a finish broiler to top a dish ( cheese, fish, etc.) with a little crust, than an actual oven.

                      We have that capability with our microwave/broiler, and baking oven, both built-ins. The toaster oven was then given away.

                      What we ended up with is 1.) a cleaner countertop, which being empty gives the appearance of being longer than they actually are, 2.) we can actually find items easier, as we know were they go and (most of the time) should be.

                      A side benefit 3.) is the longevity of appliances. Since the change, we have not replaced appliances as frequently as before, including the toaster for bread. Put them away carefully and they last longer. Before the remodel, appliances lasted a 3-5 years, one of which was a built-in to a microwave oven (in stainless steel, lasting 2.5 years only).

                      A solution to the "built-in taster oven" might be the addition of a simple u-shaped shelf, similar to those for microwaves, mounted under a cabinet. We did this in Brasil at a vacation property, and it works very well. Another is to buy a microwave, built-in or not, with toasting features.

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                        ambo1972 RE: SWISSAIRE Apr 15, 2014 06:11 PM

                        Thank you! That is my dream... a cleaner countertop!

                        So the microwave/broiler works well? You use the broiler for heating up frozen items, toasting cheese toast, etc? I had read reviews that the broiler didn't work well.

                        Thanks for your suggestions and your experience! Longer life out of our appliances would be nice.

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                          SWISSAIRE RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 07:29 PM

                          Hi ambo1972 -

                          We use the broiler or toaster feature to char, if you will certain food dishes. Cheese, or a sauce on meat or fish.
                          In one or two cases, to broil fish as a BBQ finish.

                          Usually that is no more than 1-2 minutes.

                          The family does not use a microwave, etc. to thaw. Defrosting is usually in one the sink using a lidded stainless bowl, which doubles as a salad bowl. There is a drain plate we can place inside with perforations that allows the defrosting moisture to drain away from the frozen fish or meat.

                          No stains or run off on the countertop.

                           
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                          eLizard RE: SWISSAIRE Apr 16, 2014 06:33 AM

                          do you love your capresso?

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                            SWISSAIRE RE: eLizard Apr 16, 2014 10:26 AM

                            No, I love my Nespresso.

                            My wife loves her Capresso.

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                              eLizard RE: SWISSAIRE Apr 16, 2014 10:49 AM

                              thanks. nespresso is pods, no? which capresso does your dw have?

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                                SWISSAIRE RE: eLizard Apr 16, 2014 02:39 PM

                                Yes, Nespresso uses pods, or capsule-measured coffee.

                                The wife prefers whole bean fresh ground from her Coffee-Team Capresso machine. That machine of hers being time-set capable is our alarm clock, which will be going off in a few hours.

                        3. CindyJ RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 04:59 PM

                          Check out this built-in model. http://www.houzz.com/photos/6351/Trig...

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                            ambo1972 RE: CindyJ Apr 15, 2014 06:07 PM

                            That is the idea... but doesn't that look weird?? It should be in the cabinetry!

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                              erica RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 06:29 PM

                              Here are a few ideas for a hidden microwave that might work for other appliances; I like the first one....install outlets in back of cabinet and keep toaster oven there; or keep toaster-oven in pull-out shelf in pantry.

                              http://www.remodelista.com/posts/10-s...

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                                ambo1972 RE: erica Apr 15, 2014 07:08 PM

                                ooooh I love the 1st one! that would work. as long as I keep it open when toasting I don't think venting would be an issue
                                thx!

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                                CindyJ RE: ambo1972 Apr 16, 2014 05:35 AM

                                Maybe it should be in cabinetry -- or maybe not. I recently purchased the counter-top model of this coffee maker http://www.houzz.com/photos/1634495/B... , which is built in to what would be considered the backsplash area. I think the built-in coffee maker looks great. Maybe the built-in toaster oven needs some custom trim.

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                                kaleokahu RE: CindyJ Apr 15, 2014 06:33 PM

                                I wonder how well it's vented...

                              4. iL Divo RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 07:15 PM

                                "declutter countertop"
                                I need to take your lead -
                                note to self-do this too

                                1. rcspott RE: ambo1972 Apr 15, 2014 11:15 PM

                                  Something like this? Oven turned sideways, plug down below so alway plugged in.

                                   
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                                    iL Divo RE: rcspott Apr 16, 2014 12:12 PM

                                    RCS

                                    I love that
                                    BRILL idea

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                                      rasputina RE: rcspott Apr 16, 2014 01:41 PM

                                      Hope it's not used for more than 5 minutes a day for toast. That thing would be a complete nuisance at my house we use our toaster oven multiple times a day sometimes for an hour or more at a time.

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                                        iL Divo RE: rasputina Jun 10, 2014 08:06 AM

                                        I use my toaster/convection oven a few times a day but it is a nuisance as it's big&bulky. it's also ugly. it's a Cuisinart but I'm getting ready to replace it. wish it could disappear under something too.

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                                          DuffyH RE: iL Divo Jun 10, 2014 09:00 AM

                                          IL Divo,

                                          Will it fit in an appliance garage? While not the most original solution, a properly placed one can do the job and look like it belongs. And they don't all have tambour doors anymore.

                                          Here's another way - add countertop cabinets on either side of it, so it disappears.

                                          Either will eliminate the "Oh, look! There's a big honking appliance thing on my counter."

                                           
                                           
                                    2. Kris in Beijing RE: ambo1972 Apr 16, 2014 01:20 PM

                                      Mom my has had a Black and Decker under the counter T.O. for decades. She is now on her 3rd.
                                      However, Dad had to rebuild this one and when it goes again, that'll be all she wrote.

                                      B&D no longer makes them-- seems like they stopped in 2008 or so.

                                      There ARE kits that you can install to slide a B&D under a cabinet-- the kit is around $60.

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                                        subal RE: ambo1972 Apr 16, 2014 07:35 PM

                                        Our designer friend built the following for a well heeled client who desired a 'clean' counter top. Press a button under the over head counter cabinet and the motorized back splash panel moves up behind the cabinets like a garage door revealing all the appliances stored behind it. You slide out the appliance to be used and when done, push it back. Out of sight and no lifting. It does require about 18-24" beyond the normal counter depth .

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                                          DuffyH RE: subal Apr 16, 2014 08:08 PM

                                          <It does require about 18-24" beyond the normal counter depth .>

                                          Space can be stolen from the room on a shared wall. Built-in cabs could go under/over the bump-out to disguise it. Done right, no one will suspect the built-ins/shelves/whatever was done to disguise the weird bump-out. Visualize it as a design element in the adjoining room and see how you can work it into that room.

                                          We disguised a 16" fridge bump-out in our dining room by putting a buffet table and some glass shelves in the resulting alcove right next to the bump-out. We carved out the space to make our really huge fridge look like a built-in. Worked like a charm, with no one even realizing what we'd done. And since the wall we messed with wasn't load bearing, our builder charged us nothing.

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                                            KarenDW RE: subal Apr 16, 2014 08:55 PM

                                            In our place, that 18-24" would be coming from my b/r wall! Which is the location of the wardrobe. Probably not happening :D

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                                              DuffyH RE: KarenDW Apr 16, 2014 09:25 PM

                                              I feel you. No one messes with my closet space. Lines must be drawn somewhere.

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