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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

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Sorry - random rant but it ceases to amaze me. Almost anywhere you go in Europe, the baguette it amazing. Crunchy on the outside and soft and fluffy in the middle. I can eat it plain all day long, and with butter or spread, it's divine. I have never found one supermarket here that does it right. And almost every bakery is below average or terrible. I can count on one hand, the number of times I've had good baguette in this continent (and almost all are in Montreal). Amandine in West LA is decent but everywhere else I've been is sub par. Places like Panera and Corner Bakery are HORRIBLE. I'm too damn busy to bake it other than holidays. Why is it that no one here appreciates good bread??? Otherwise, why is it soooooo hard to find...

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  1. You're looking at the wrong places - go to vietnamese sandwich shops.

    Jon's is also good in a pinch.

    to answer your question: baguettes aren't really an american thing.

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    1. re: ns1

      Vietnamese sandwich shops have great bread, but they are not, in my experience, a European style baguette.

      And there are plenty of great baguettes in LA. Just not at supermarkets.

      1. re: cacio e pepe

        NOT plenty on the Westside. I've been yearning for a good
        baguette for ages, even asked here on chowhound. NADA.

        1. re: VenusCafe

          "I've been yearning for a good
          baguette for ages, even asked here on chowhound. NADA."

          Chaumont http://www.yelp.com/biz/chaumont-beve... has gotten some attention on the CH board of late. Probably worth your time and money to give it a try.

          1. re: Servorg

            Way too far and stressful. Add $7.25 to the baguette cost plus relentless stress during a very heavily trafficked 36 mile RT drive... for a decent baguette?
            That's a real problem, Servorg, if not downright insanity.

            1. re: VenusCafe

              Get some awesome Eclairs 4x flavors all delish while there then.

            2. re: Servorg

              Even for a Westsider, getting in and out of BH is a huge PITA. Only two roads to use, both of which are heavily traveled, just about all day long......

              1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                Seeing as how they are open from 6:30 AM on Saturdays, and in and out of B. Hills is wide open until 9:30 AM at least, I don't find that a very compelling argument against the concept of buying baguettes from Chaumont.

                1. re: Servorg

                  Sorry, Saturdays are the one day a week I get to sleep in..... I seriously don't need or desire French bread enough to warrant driving in to BH on a Saturday morning..... If I were so inclined, I'd just go to Maison Giraud, which would take me all of about ten minutes, round trip ;)

                  1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                    Since I get to sleep in zero days of the week I don't find that a compelling reason either.

                    1. re: Servorg

                      Well, that's your problem not mine.... ;)

                      1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                        Much like the baguettes are your problem?

                    2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                      …or Bouchon if it's absolutely necessary to be in BH.
                      I honestly don't understand the draw to Chaumont and the tourism has begun which turns a 10 minute errand into about an hour.
                      Having ordered special tarts from this place, and been heavily disappointed by the averageness of them, I'm just not inclined to have it on my destination list.

                      1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                        Doesn't hubby work in Century City? Tell him to hop over to Chaumont at lunch to pick up baguettes and bring 'em home after work. Also, I wonder if Clementine does a decent baguette, which is super close to CC.

                        1. re: Wayno

                          No, Clementine doesn't carry baguettes…

                          Unless they make their bread themselves, somebody's doing it for them and they don't sell it individually.

                          1. re: Wayno

                            Breadbar (in the CC Mall) used to do good baguettes. Haven't been in a few years, but it was Eric Kayser.

                            1. re: Savour

                              Some of my favorite baguettes in Paris are from Eric Kayser. I will need to check out Breadbar - thanks for the heads up.

                              1. re: Searching4Dunny

                                I am told Eric Kayser has not been affiliated with Breadbar for some years.

                                1. re: revets2

                                  Yes, it's a totally different operation without him.

                                  Of course the original store on 3rd is long gone.
                                  Once they left it seems things aren't the same anymore.
                                  I was a huge fan of their cheese rolls (they had piles of them back then) but they make about 6/day and don't allow for special orders anymore.
                                  It used to be THE place to purchase bread.

                                  1. re: latindancer

                                    Too bad. I worked in Century City 5 years ago and used to really enjoy the Breadbar there, but I haven't been in ages.

                  2. re: VenusCafe

                    Read the thread. A number of excellent options on the westside were shared.

                    I would feel for you, but the thread can take you from the deep food void known as the Pacific Palisades in the north, through Santa Monica and West LA, south to Culver City, east to Beverly Hills. All westside focused.

                    Not only has the OPs premise that the entire country makes terrible bread been utterly destroyed, but the idea that the westside has no good has also been debunked.

                    1. re: cacio e pepe

                      Not only has the OPs premise that the entire country makes terrible bread been utterly destroyed, but the idea that the westside has no good has also been debunked.
                      Yes, not to mention the most faulty premise of all "Almost anywhere you go in Europe, the baguette it (sic) amazing".

                      Quite simply not true.

                      1. re: Porthos

                        Agree with Porthos above. I had a baguette that was truly, unforgettably "de la merde" in the 5eme once.

                        But sadly for us in the U.S., in France there are almost as many incredibly delicious baguettes as there is crotte (dog doodoo) in the streets of Montmartre.

              2. I saw this pile of baguettes baked by the Bread Lounge at Fresco market when I was down there in September. Hope someone can tell me if they're as good as they look . . . I've regretted not buying one to try.



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                1. re: Melanie Wong

                  They are that good! Probably the best baguette in L.A. right now.

                  1. re: Melanie Wong

                    Good. Not as good as Acme though.

                    Republique has a better baguette. Bouchon might be even better. Nicole's in South Pasadena and Europane in Pasadena not bad either.

                    I haven't tried them yet, but Porthos says the frozen baguettes at Surfas are off the hook.

                    1. re: revets2

                      I'll stand by that rec ;)

                      Maybe a little touch of melted butter to the top before baking until brown. Crunchy, flaky outside and soft interior, but not too soft like the Vietnamese versions. Better than the baguettes at the chain places like Paul in Paris.

                      1. re: Porthos


                        Along with the fresh loaves they bake. I was surprised with the quality of bread from Surfas, not just the baguettes.

                        1. re: cacio e pepe

                          I love the fresh baguettes from Surfas and will travel quite a few miles when I know they're coming out of the oven.

                          1. re: latindancer

                            Get the frozen ones and finish in the oven at 400. Always fresh. No need to try to wait for the ones they bake. Piping hot and crispy. Pick up some echire butter which is conveniently located next to the frozen bread.

                            1. re: Porthos

                              I appreciate the tip.
                              I really don't know they were offered until now.

                              1. re: Porthos

                                do you buy a bunch and just keep them frozen in the freezer?

                                1. re: TailbackU

                                  Each package comes with 2. They have both sweet and sour dough baguettes. I prefer the sweet. My Surfas is close enough I can always swing by and pick up a couple whenever I want ;p

                                  1. re: Porthos

                                    What's the price? (If you don't mind me asking : )

                                      1. re: Porthos

                                        Porthos no! I'm a thrifty girl! With limited free time! Driving from Glendale!

                                        I need to know the price to know if it's worth the time and drive. I can get killer vietnamese baguette's from Siam Bakery on Valley. I'm really close to Frisco Baking Company and I love their sourdough rolls and bread but have not tried their baguettes.

                                        I guess I could call them. But since you already know...!

                                        : )

                                          1. re: Porthos

                                            Just got off the phone with Surfas. The fresh baked baguettes (baked every morning) are $2.75 a piece. The 2 pack of par-baked, frozen baguettes are $5.50.

                                            Not bad at all! If I'm in the area, I now know to go in and nab some baguettes!

                                            1. re: happybaker

                                              Is culver city considered "west side"? Not sure, other hounds are claiming no viable options in westside.


                                              Do you know if they have baguettes at the Costa Mesa location?

                                              1. re: ns1

                                                I get mine at the Costa Mesa location.

                                                1. re: Porthos

                                                  Portos, i did Surfas baguettes, both fresh and frozen, but didn't really care for either one!

                                2. re: Porthos

                                  Same here, I'm going tomorrow! Thanks Porthos.

                                  1. re: Porthos

                                    my SO said no to the frozen, so it will have to be the fresh.
                                    Surfas is still a long enough trip...

                                    1. re: VenusCafe

                                      It will be fresh after you bake them.

                                      Your SO is wrong on this one. Once it comes out brown and crispy and the butter melts into that hot baguette +/- touch of fleur de sel, your SO will be begging for a taste. Then you can remind SO that SO said "no".

                                      1. re: Porthos

                                        I'll do that! He like TJs frozen croissants much better than
                                        the overpraised Maison Girard, so THERE!
                                        I'll get both the fresh and the frozen and compare.

                          2. re: Melanie Wong

                            Yes! They are good! LOVE Fresco market. It's a hidden gem.

                          3. Try Mr. Baguette. They have a few locations. And at $1.09, it's one of the best bargains too.

                            As far as grocery store baguettes go, surprisingly, Jons has the best imo. All the rest suck.

                            Also, not sure if they sell them, but the baguette at Republique is divine.

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                              1. re: cacio e pepe

                                Note: I find that not all Jon's are created equal. The baguettes from NoHo Jons on Magnolia are consistently great. The ones I've picked up from Van Nuys Jons has been terrible.

                                1. re: ns1

                                  Ah! Thanks! The VN location is the one I occasion. Closest to my closest 99 Ranch.

                                  1. re: cacio e pepe

                                    You usually get the baguettes there? Maybe my baguettes from the VN location were outliers.

                                    1. re: ns1

                                      Ah! I meant I usually shop at that particular Jons. Never tried baguettes from Jons, though. I'll hold off until I can hit the NH location.

                                  2. re: ns1

                                    I've only tried the ones from the Jon's on Hollywood and Vermont. Very good.

                              2. OK so I'm sure there are a few decent places scattered around LA. I'm in on the Westside, and Amandine is my go to spot. But it's kinda of an annoying special trip which means I do it a couple times a year - drive to Amandine JUST to buy baguette before it sells out at 10AM. Again, anywhere in Europe, you can grab it at any street corner and not think twice about the quality. It's BREAD. I just don't understand how the average person thinks Ralph's or Panera is wonderful and doesn't think twice about eating rubbery, preservative filled Wonder Bread...

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                                1. re: m3tan

                                  In Europe, you also can't get a great taco in "any street corner". Trade offs.

                                  1. re: TailbackU

                                    Fair point but it's BREAD. As in bread and butter. A staple food...

                                    1. re: m3tan

                                      You're looking for a European style bread outside of Europe. That's like saying "why does all the ramen outside of Japan suck?" or "Why does all the Chicago style deep dish pizza outside of Chicago suck?"

                                      You are looking for what can be considered a specialty item in this area. Some places will make it well, others will not. You can go to France and look for corn tortillas and then lament the fact that no one in France can make a good corn tortilla, even though they are a staple food for millions of people.

                                      1. re: boogiebaby

                                        That's like saying it's nearly impossible to find a particular food item in a metropolis outside the item's geographic point of origin - e.g., you can't find good Ramen outside of Japan or good DD Pizza outside of Chicago. Expectations shouldn't be that low. Since the ingredients are available outside the source locations, and there is a widespread effort by expert chefs to replicate the dishes outside the source area, we should expect to be able to find the properly-replicated dishes in a city like LA. There's no reason why there shouldn't be a solid handful of French-style baguettes available in LA.

                                        1. re: Wayno

                                          There is a solid handful, as noted in this thread. There just isn't 1 available on every corner, or if you aren't willing to drive 30 minutes for 1 baguette you're SOL.

                                          No need to reduce expectations to zero, just adjust accordingly.

                                          1. re: ns1

                                            driving 30 minutes for a baguette is outrageous.
                                            Add $6.00 for gas to the cost of bread.

                                            1. re: ns1

                                              I personally do not think this thread has developed a viable baguette list, and certainly not for the Westside. The suggestionsinvolve travel, traffic and spending up to $10.00 for gas.
                                              The supposed closer choices like La brea bakery do not cut it. La Brea bakery does not produce anything like a baguette; their breads, harder than rocks, all involve mouth torture.

                                              1. re: VenusCafe

                                                So you've tried all the west side suggestions in this thread?

                                                1. re: ns1

                                                  Most of them. The one's I knew about previously. I've been on the hunt for baguettes for months. The closest to me is Maison Girard, and despite the cheerleading from Dirty I find MG quite out of line; their prices gouge, as in a 19.00+ sandwich with A SLIVER of cod, 2 leaves of lettuce and cuke. Their croissants? How can you rave about them? Darien. Trader Joe's frozen are 100x better
                                                  Since their croissants lack distinction, for me, it would be an effort to attempt their baguettes.

                                                  1. re: ns1

                                                    This week, I'm trying the two ones I just discovered from this thread: Farmshop and Larder. Farmshop especially sounds viable and is fairly close and/or in the loop.

                                                    1. re: VenusCafe

                                                      Maude has mentioned that they are one and the same baguettes. No need to try both. I listed both to cover the geography.

                                                      1. re: VenusCafe

                                                        I would love to know what they charge for a baguette.

                                                        1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                          Farmshop baguettes are $3.25 and very delicious. I got the last two. Upon leaving I looked at my SO and said that I had never been to a place that had SO MANY THINGS that I did not want

                                                          The menu looks OK, but the prices are
                                                          truly over the top.
                                                          Sunday Dinner at Farmshop: choice of
                                                          Buratta with kale, carrot, tangelo and hazelnut oil, or Chicken with bulgar, snap peas, yogurt, feta, spices and oregano, plus one of two jammy desserts.
                                                          @ $48.00 Per Person???
                                                          GOUGE ALERT.

                                                          1. re: VenusCafe

                                                            Yes, they are really overpriced...... Thanks for the $ of baguette...seems its worth the extra 50 cents for me to stay with the palisades bakery....

                                                2. re: Wayno

                                                  There there are a solid handful in LA. The OP is lamenting the fact that they aren't available on every corner, and that the ones available are too far out of his search radius.

                                                  I didn't say it is nearly impossible to find. I was pointing out that saying Baguettes in this country suck because you can't find a good one within walking distance of your house is akin to complaining you can't find good ramen outside of Tokyo. You can find good ramen/baguette/tortillas/pizza (fill in the blank with whatever food you want) in most cities, but you have to be willing to look for it and go to it. If you want it to be available on every street corner and in every restaurant, then you have to live in the area where that item is eaten by everyone, everyday. That's why I used corn tortillas as my example -- here in LA, you can find corn tortillas on every corner, on every street. that's a staple food in this part of the world. In France, you have to search out the good tortillas -- you can't walk down the street to the local bakery and pick up corn tortillas. Same goes for the baguettes in LA.

                                                  1. re: boogiebaby

                                                    I guess the OP was lookin' for love in all the wrong places.

                                                  2. re: Wayno

                                                    The Chowhounds who are taking down as ridiculous, the idea of wanting a good baguette outside of Europe, would see how ridiculous their position is IF we were talking about PIZZA. How about the nerve involved in wanting a great PIZZA in SoCal?

                                                  3. re: boogiebaby

                                                    Re: tortillas in France, that's an excellent point and one that I was trying to make earlier.

                                                    France has outstanding food, no question about it. And there is diversity within French cooking, of course. But try to find Shanghainese chow nian gao in France. Or Shandong niu rou juan bing. Or Guatemalan bloody clam ceviche. Or Yucatecan poc chuc. Or Sinaloan grilled zarandeado. Or Texas BBQ brisket. Or Salvadorean pupusas. Or Korean goat stew.

                                                    If you're lucky, you'll find a French guy wearing a sombrero and a Mexican blanket soliciting you into a restaurant serving slop that wouldn't fly in LA's worst margarita mills.

                                                    Mr Taster

                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                      C'mon. I'm not lamenting not being able to find pot-au-feu or ratatouille at every street corner. It's BREAD. There are thousands of businesses in LA that bake fresh bread every day. Yet, most people will need to make a special trip to find very good bread. Being a staple food of all Western cuisines, that's kinda surprising to me. It's not very hard to make.

                                                      The only logical conclusion I can draw is that most people (Chowhounds on this thread excluded), have never had good bread. And most who have, don't care for it enough to tolerate the short shelf life. Good bread does go stale very quickly. I suspect that is the real reason...

                                                      1. re: m3tan

                                                        C'mon. I'm not lamenting not being able to find pot-au-feu or ratatouille at every street corner. It's BREAD

                                                        You are specifically asking for baguette, so no, it isn't just "bread". There are plenty of good other types of bread.

                                                        It is like lamenting there is no good biryani and saying it's just rice.

                                                        Baguette is just as specialized as ramen or pizza. Maybe even more so (eg. Why is there no good roman style pizza or bonito flake based ramen).

                                                        1. re: Porthos

                                                          I could extend my comments to almost all breads. I lived in Vienna and Munich for about a year and there was amazing baguette, pretzels, strudels, and croissants at every market, corner, and street vendor.

                                                          1. re: m3tan

                                                            I enjoy traveling abroad and do so several times a year. As much as I enjoy the different cuisines each country has to offer, traveling abroad always makes me appreciate more how good we have it here in terms of food, culture, lifestyle, etc.

                                                      1. re: boogiebaby


                                                        The irony about the tortilla comment is that you can't even find good tortilla chips at most supermarkets. The stuff that they sell at Whole Foods, Bristol Farms etc.. may be healthy but it pales in comparison to anything you get at a decent Mexican restaurant. You need to go to a Mexican grocery store to get good tortilla chips. So I guess I'm asking way too much to expect decent baguette except at a speciality bakery.

                                                      2. re: m3tan

                                                        Well, it's bread, but it's not ordinary bread.

                                                        A loaf of processed bread can stand around on a shelf for many days.
                                                        A specialty loaf of 'bread' like a baguette has a shelf life of, at the most, 5 hours in my experience. Who wants to eat a baguette when it's not fresh? Not me.
                                                        This isn't France. This is LA. A fresh, hot baguette, right out of the oven, isn't a staple in LA for many, like it is in France.
                                                        You're talking oranges and apples.

                                                        1. re: latindancer

                                                          Well it is interesting. Judging by the Supers, LA DOES
                                                          have a jones for bread, so why is expecting decent baguettes so out of line?

                                                          And why is everyone attacking the OP for daring to want it?

                                                          1. re: VenusCafe

                                                            I don't think anyone is attacking the OP for daring to want what he/she wants. I think they're attacking the attitude that comes w/ the "request" (in this and other threads....).

                                                            1. re: ilysla

                                                              Is that a creamed beef chip I see on his shoulder?

                                                                1. re: ilysla

                                                                  Probably better to drink it. ;-D>

                                                            2. re: VenusCafe

                                                              "And why is everyone attacking the OP for daring to want it?"

                                                              Cuz the OP claimed in his opening post that all baguettes in this country suck and nobody appreciates good bread. As noted numerous times in this thread, that thesis has been thoroughly destroyed and we haven't even expanded outside of the LA region.

                                                              1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                I'm not attacking the OP.

                                                                What I stated in my earlier post is that there ARE good baguettes to be found, but possibly not within a mile radius of your home.
                                                                What I also suggested is the greatest rec (in my opinion) on this board.

                                                                  1. re: happybaker

                                                                    That's a decent price. Though it'll cost me at least that in gas....

                                                                    1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                      But since it's frozen, you could presumably buy in bulk, no? =) So the cost of gas is amortized over many loaves.

                                                                      Haven't tried the frozen dough myself, but, after all the praise of it here, I'm really interested....

                                                                      1. re: ilysla

                                                                        Now that sounds like a plan! Again, just to reiterate, I am not the one bitching & moaning about how hard it is to find decent baguettes. I agree w the OP to a degree that it's difficult to find decent bread in LA, but I gave up that fight years ago, and have already found decent bread thanks....

                                                                        1. re: ilysla

                                                                          There was some great discussion on easy bread making techniques that we split over to Home Cooking so a larger audience could read and contribute. Check that out here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/972751

                                                          2. re: m3tan

                                                            You can say "suck". No need to censor yourself.

                                                            Chowhound is filled with broadly worded laments like "why is there no great X in Los Angeles" (let alone the whole nation, which is hyperbolic to the extreme, not to mention off topic.) And the answer is, sometimes we don't, but often we do. And when we don't, there are about 23,981 things Los Angeles also does magnificently well, which you can learn to appreciate. Or not, and stay stuck in your mindset of wanting LA to be somewhere it isn't.

                                                            The bottom line is that for sheer quality, variety and overall value of food, Los Angeles is an extraordinarily hard city to match.

                                                            As for baguettes, if you insist on going to supermarkets, Jon's are pretty wonderful. But more often than not, I go for the baguettes at Papa Cristo/C&K at Pico/Normandie.

                                                            Neither of these is on the Westside. But we do have them, so you should consider changing your lament from damning the entire country to something like, "why doesn't LA's Westside have any good X". Or, like TailbackU says, "why do all baguettes suck within a 5 mile radius of me?"

                                                            Mr Taster

                                                            1. re: Mr Taster

                                                              Eh - LA is better than most places in the US but is actually below average considering the size of the city. I'm not willing to go down this path again though. Suffice it to say, I can find good almost anything in LA, (especially Middle Eastern / Asian) but baguette is a really basic Western European staple. It's just shocking to me that someone must seek out baguette as if it is a specialty item..

                                                              1. re: m3tan

                                                                In this country, it is a specialty item. Wonder bread is not.

                                                                Mr Taster

                                                                1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                  the title of this thread is misleading

                                                                2. re: m3tan

                                                                  m3tan 0

                                                                  Well - we're not french. So it's not a given.

                                                                  That said, I live in Glassell Park, so I can hit the Frisco Baking Company, or Super King, Fresh and Easy or La Brea Bakery bread at Ralph's or Costco and have some darn fine choices.

                                                                  Go to Kansas City, MO to look for baguettes and then report back to me about how bad LA is.

                                                                3. re: m3tan

                                                                  In many parts of Europe, particularly Paris, I've purchased a baguette at any given part of the day, fresh and hot and delicious. My favorite place closes when they run out and reopen with fresh ones.
                                                                  You're comparing apples to oranges and I also think you're also looking in the wrong places.

                                                                4. This is starting to turn into a rerun of my Thai/Indian food on the Westside thread. Sure I know of Lee's Sandwiches etc.. but I can't drive 20 miles to buy a loaf of baguette. I live in the Westside and there are no Lee's, Jon's, or Mr. Baguette's anywhere close to me...

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                                                                  1. re: m3tan

                                                                    so then maybe you should edit your post title to "Why does baguette's suck in the 5 miles radius of me?"

                                                                    1. re: TailbackU

                                                                      Zing! That's it.

                                                                      m3tan, LA is a big place, and you chose to live in your neighborhood, right? I mean, were you forced at gunpoint to move to the Westside? If so, then you have my sympathies and should probably file a police report.

                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                        Do you have kids? The Westside is probably the safest place with good schools that has SOME decent food. Downtown, Venice, West Hollywood, are not options if want a safe neighborhood with good public schools. So ya, kinda a gun to my head. I hate most of my neighbors but live here for my kids. I'm much more a downtown or Abbott Kinney person...

                                                                        1. re: m3tan

                                                                          San Gabriel Valley. All the French baguettes you could hope to eat, along with a staggering array of magnificent Chinese and Vietnamese food.


                                                                          Mr Taster

                                                                          1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                            South Pasadena and La Canada are not exactly close to Arcadia or Monterey Park. I don't know how you people find the time to drive 20-30 minutes to buy one item...

                                                                            1. re: m3tan

                                                                              Well you need to stop by the chinese bbq shop to pick up some roast pork after buying baguettes right?

                                                                              and don't forget the frozen dumplings you've been meaning to buy but haven't had the desire to make the drive to SGV...

                                                                              etc, etc, etc.

                                                                              1. re: m3tan

                                                                                Driving from South Pasadena to Alhambra or Monterey Park can actually be easier than driving similar distances on the Westside. Also, there's a lot more free parking.

                                                                                1. re: raytamsgv

                                                                                  Yup. The drive down Garfield through San Marino is always wide open for me. S. Pas to Banh Mi My Tho is 3.6 miles, or a 9 minute drive. Plus, you have the glories of the rest of the San Gabriel Valley at your disposal, along with good school districts, and cheaper cost of living than Westside.

                                                                                  I think we've thorough destroyed the thesis statement of this post.

                                                                                  Mr Taster

                                                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                    Unchowish I know, but I think most prefer the mild weather on the Westside - that is one of the major draws to most living here. I make the Westside-SGV drive when ever possible, and on the hotter days, I am always glad to return home - no matter how good and wide the food options are in SGV.

                                                                                    One has to be a little more forthright about the traffic in SGV as well. The freeways in and around SGV, as well as the major boulevards can be tortuous by midday.

                                                                                    Schools can be hit or miss in the SGV as well - it depends what area one lives in. One of our neighbors is a teacher out in SGV and tells us firsthand about the school situations out there. And buying into the more preferable areas is becoming very difficult with the huge influx of buyers from China - they're loaded with cash and see SGV properties and their surroundings as a total bargain r.e. major cities in China.

                                                                                    There's no doubt that if one is after Chinese AND Vietnamese food, SGV has no equal, but the Westside has its stars as well. The categories and prices are obviously quite different, but blowing off the Westside in every shape and manner is not objectively sound.

                                                                                    1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                      Having grown up in the SGV and having moved to the westside a little less than 10 yrs ago, I can say that the weather is one draw.... The other draw, for me, was that the lack of ethnic diversity the SGV is actually (IMO) no worse than the relative lack of the same on the westside. So, when you put those two experiences together, I get the lifetime diversity I like. ;)

                                                                                      I don't think anyone was blowing off the westside. I think some were simply reacting the impression the OP was giving of "everything in LA stinks compared to western Europe" and "there's no other acceptable place to live in LA, except for weside, La Canada, and S. Pas" (I'm exaggerating for effect, but the strong undertones of culture/race inherent in these statements are not easily ignored).

                                                                                      BTW, were you the one who recommended California Ranch Olive Oil in another thread awhile ago? I tried it, and I love it. =)

                                                                                  2. re: m3tan

                                                                                    <I don't know how you people find the time to drive 20-30 minutes to buy one item…>

                                                                                    If I want fresh and quality when it comes to food, in this case, I'll drive just about anywhere. Why would I settle for less? It makes no sense to me. LA's spread out. I know too many people who've spent their entire lives living in a 5 mile radius. BORING.
                                                                                    "We people" are a unique population. We'll find whatever we need and drive to wherever it is.
                                                                                    Chinese food, baguettes, fresh fruit, stellar meat….the list is endless.

                                                                                    1. re: latindancer

                                                                                      Not to mention that Chowhound was founded on the principal that this was a community of people who go to great lengths to achieve maximum deliciousness.


                                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                        Guilty as charged. I shlepped my sorry ass from Santa Monica out to freaking Glendora the other day, just to get me some Donut Man.

                                                                                        Calculating time spent and the current cost of gas, I could have saved the trip and bought me a decent lunchtime omakase at Shunji.

                                                                                        1. re: J.L.

                                                                                          That makes me think of my Sunday 6 AM breakfast jaunts out to Brent's Deli in Northridge...although those are totally worth it...

                                                                                          1. re: J.L.

                                                                                            I'm 'guilty as charged' pretty much every other day in LA.
                                                                                            I've shlepped all the way to Santa Barbara from LA just to pick up a favorite BD cake.
                                                                                            I've sat in rush hour traffic at least once a week for my favorite beet sandwich at Proof (their bread is undeniably outstanding)…at least an hour each way.
                                                                                            The list is endless.
                                                                                            The truth is…
                                                                                            I won't settle for the ordinary. It's against my innate sensibilities :).

                                                                                      2. re: m3tan

                                                                                        when I lived in SoPas, our "neighborhood" included Arcadia, Monterey Park, LaCanada, Alhambra, Pasadena, San Gabriel, San Marino etc. Child went to school in Sierra Madre so traveling from South pas to these neighboring towns is probably an everyday thing for most residents of the SGV.

                                                                                    2. re: m3tan

                                                                                      La Canada, dude.

                                                                                      Safe neighborhoods, fab schools and incredible food in Pasadena, Altadena, Alhambra, Glendale and more.

                                                                                      1. re: m3tan

                                                                                        West Hollywood is not a safe neighborhood?...

                                                                                        Are you afraid your kids are going to "catch the gay" or something?

                                                                                        I honestly cannot imagine someone saying WeHo is an unsafe area with a straight face unless that's what they were implying.

                                                                                        1. re: BacoMan

                                                                                          WeHo actually has a much higher crime rate than most neighborhoods on the Westside.


                                                                                          1. re: m3tan

                                                                                            I think the red outline on that map merely defines the boundaries of WeHo, but the crime density is shaded the same as Beverly Hills...or am I reading that incorrectly?

                                                                                  3. re: m3tan

                                                                                    There's more to this country than just West LA.

                                                                                    1. re: m3tan

                                                                                      Milo + Olive/Huckleberry make a nice, though rustic baguette.

                                                                                      Surely Maison Giraud sells their baguettes.

                                                                                      All westside.

                                                                                      But if you're in the westside and you're complaining about the "special" trip to Amandine then I don't know what to say. There are even a number of high-end grocery stores in the area.

                                                                                      But feel free to lament that LA isn't Paris. That's very true.

                                                                                      1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                        Had the country loaf (yes, I know it's not a baguette) from Milo and Olive this weekend. AMAZING. I assume that BreadBar/Lounge/whatever would also do a great baguette.

                                                                                        The baguette from Amandine isn't very good (at least, it wasn't the one time I had it); you could easily make a better baguette on your own.

                                                                                        Does anyone know if La Monarcha does baguettes and if they're any good?

                                                                                        As an aside, I think the westside would be a HORRIBLE place to live w/ kids if you must depend on the public school system..... And San Marino is really, REALLY close to San Gabriel and Alhambra. All a matter of perspective....

                                                                                        1. re: ilysla

                                                                                          Zoe Nathan cut her teeth at Tartine in SF so it's no surprise that her stuff is so good. And it isn't Tartine South. She has her own perspective and style. I think she's great!

                                                                                          Amandine get a lot of love, but I think more for value than for true quality. They are okay, but inexpensive so that boosts them in the eyes of many. I'm with you on that.

                                                                                          La Monarcha I think only makes Mexican style rolls and pastries.

                                                                                          I just remembered that Farmshop in the Brentwood Country Mart (what a misnomer) has excellent bread.

                                                                                          So . . . yeah . . . it's true that most grocery stores and supermarkets are not making high quality baguettes, I think we've covered a nice little slice of the westside (Palisades, SM, WLA, BH) that has good baguettes specifically without much extra effort added to the shopping errand.

                                                                                          1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                            Farmshop buys their bread from The Larder. I agree it's good.

                                                                                            1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                              I know nothing about Tartine. But I know what my stomach likes. =) A friend had made a beef bourguignon for dinner this weekend, and the bread was absolutely *perfect* for sopping up the broth w/o turning to mush. And even by itself, bread was incredible.

                                                                                              I am deeply confused by the accolades for Amandine. I really want to like it. I think that tarts are good but not exceptional. Those are pretty much the only things I consistently like there. I literally live one block away; I don't go all that often.

                                                                                              For some reason, I thought La Monarcha was Spanish. Will have to investigate. =)

                                                                                              1. re: ilysla

                                                                                                >>For some reason, I thought La Monarcha was Spanish. Will have to investigate. =)<<

                                                                                                Some of the best examples pan dulce I've personally tried in LA - pricy compared to the prices at traditional panaderias - but well worth it.

                                                                                        2. re: m3tan

                                                                                          Your complaint is just as true for coffee, avocados, other fruit, croissant, in fact, every restaurant meal: namely, if it LOOKS like (coffee, avocados, fruit, croissant, etc) and you CALL it (coffee,avocados, fruit, croissant, etc.) it does NOT have to TASTE like good (coffee, avocados, fruit, croissant, etc) to fulfill its purpose, which is to be sold to a distracted, uncaring and un-food-educated public.
                                                                                          To be a Chowhound and relentlessly search for sincere, artisanal food is an uphill struggle...

                                                                                        3. Evidently we are taking our cues from the French http://www.thedailymeal.com/half-bake...

                                                                                          1. You can only get a decent baguette in France (and not always there). The rest of Europe is just as bereft as the U.S.

                                                                                            1. Try Bouchon in Beverly Hills.

                                                                                              1. Bread Lounge makes a great one. Also, the one I had at Republique was textbook perfect.

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                                                                                                1. re: Bob Brooks

                                                                                                  Two excellent reccs for Bouchon and Republique from maudie5 and Bob Brooks above. Sorry, added them before reading all the through. Would also add The Larder (Tavern).

                                                                                                  Would add you might want to try the frozen baguette from Surfas...on the westside...in Culver City.

                                                                                                  My favorite baguette-like bread on the westside is the batard with goat butter at Bucato. Heaven.

                                                                                                2. I have not been all over the city in search of great bread, but I do agree with you and have lamented this for the past 20+ years I've lived here. The bread sucks. Period. The fact that the supermarkets have a hard time making decent bread blew my mind when I first got here. And I think it's criminal that La Brea bakery calls those tubes of dough, baguettes, because they most certainly are not.

                                                                                                  That said, I found bay cities deli in Santa Monica to make bread as close to what I grew up with as possible out here. I have not yet gotten to other bakeries suggested to me in another thread about bread. I live on the Westside also and have kids, so I agree with you, there's not enough time in my day to drive all over the city for an item that will go bad in about two days.

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                                                                                                  1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                    1. The thread is full of examples of excellent bread in the city, specifically the westside.

                                                                                                    2. Bay Cities makes a nice loaf, but it's hell and gone from a baguette.

                                                                                                    3. Agree that driving all over in the execrable westside traffic for single ingredients is a no-go.

                                                                                                    4. The bread in LA is like the pizza in LA. On average, it's not good. As an analogy, in NYC, a basic utility slice of pizza is kind of good anywhere really. Truly bad pizza is hard to find. But on the high end, the best pizza in NYC is no better than the best pizza in LA. So . . . yeah, the vast majority of the bread here is not very good, but it's easy enough to get a good baguette within 5-10 minutes of most places in the city. At least in my experience.

                                                                                                    1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                      1. Not sure why you're making a list for me. I wanted to let the OP know I understood the dilemma and agreed with him/her to a degree. I did not lament about not finding decent substitutes in my area, and I also stated I have not yet visited the other bakeries some have mentioned.

                                                                                                      2. I also clearly stated BCD bread was as close to what I grew up with as I've found, and never stated it was a baguette.

                                                                                                      3. Glad to see you concur with this point both the OP & I have made. Clearly, not everyone on this board *gets* that.

                                                                                                      4. I agree with your analogy to a point : I've actually had pizza in NYC that was not very good. And New Haven pizza is better than anything I've ever had in NYC :)

                                                                                                      1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                        Ramen and pizza, both cited over and over on this thread, are not very good analogies. There is decent to very good pizza all over LA. And the same could be said for ramen. West LA is a desert for most asian foods other than Japanese and Middle Eastern. Western food here is generally pretty good if you are willing to pay. But the baguette thing (and bread in general) still baffles me. I'm really surprised that specialty supermarkets like Trader Joes, Whole Foods, and Bristol Farms are well below average.

                                                                                                        I'm glad my rant produced a lively thread though and I've become aware of a few more bakeries on the Westside. It still really doesn't solve the issue I have though because driving 30-45 minutes roundtrip to MG to buy baguette isn't practical.

                                                                                                        1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                          I thought this had already been posted to this thread, but I can't find it.

                                                                                                          Good Eggs will deliver Bread Lounge baguettes to your door, no cross town drive required.


                                                                                                          1. re: revets2

                                                                                                            Unfortunately, there are many places on the Westside where Good Egg does not deliver. I live in one of them.

                                                                                                            1. re: VenusCafe

                                                                                                              I actually spoke to Mark Stambler(Pagnol Boulanger) about that and he said he would ask Good Egg to expand the radius a bit.. I'm sure he would ask as bigger delivery radius=more business.

                                                                                                      2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                        Baguettes (and lots of other bread items) do well in the freezer. Rewarm in a 350F oven for about 10 min. (depending the size and density of your bread) and it's pretty close to the day it was baked.

                                                                                                        We'll buy a half dozen when we're up north from Acme and Della Fattoria and a few minutes in the oven make them as right as rain (or as good as their grain!).

                                                                                                        1. re: revets2

                                                                                                          A spritz of water on the crust before warming helps too.

                                                                                                          Next time you're north, I feel the baguette from Nightingale is even better than either Acme or DF. Check it out.

                                                                                                          1. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                                                            I will check it. And thanks for the tip on the spritzing!

                                                                                                            1. re: Melanie Wong

                                                                                                              Melanie is right - a spritz or a light brush of cold tap water in the first few minutes of re-heating, or while baking from scratch for that matter, gives the loaf a good outer shell (learned that from Julia and Jacques, it works)

                                                                                                            2. re: revets2

                                                                                                              I know how to freeze and reheat bread, thanks. These days my freezers are full of meats and meals as I have two growing boys to feed. Not much room for bread.

                                                                                                            3. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                              How are the baguettes at Maison Giraud? I would not be surprised if they are among the best in LA, given the quality of the croissant and the true French pedigree there.

                                                                                                              1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                You know, I have no idea as I have not gone in to purchase one...the croissants & pies yes, but not the bread. And I've got to say, from having lunch & dinner there, the bread they give you at the start of the meal is not memorable. It may be very good or baked there on the premise, but I seriously cannot recall having any opinion about it. Now I'm curious and want to go back to eat there :)

                                                                                                            4. Plus baguettes and bread loaves are ridiculously expensive here.... for bread.

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                                                                                                              1. re: granadafan

                                                                                                                Granadafan -

                                                                                                                Frisco Baking Co.

                                                                                                                Really great bread. Cheap.


                                                                                                                  1. re: happybaker

                                                                                                                    Thanks for the rec, happybaker. I drive by there all the time, but they're closed by the time I go through the area.

                                                                                                                    1. re: granadafan

                                                                                                                      Their hours are hard, not denying. Closed by 3 every day.

                                                                                                                      But they are open Saturday and Sunday, just get there by early afternoon.


                                                                                                                1. Q: Why does baguette suck in this country?

                                                                                                                  A: 'Cuz we ain't France.

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                                                                                                                  1. It's been a while since I've been, but Belwood Bakery in Studio City used to have great ones

                                                                                                                    1. Supermarket baguettes? Get one from a bakery. There are good ones all over the city.

                                                                                                                      Maison Giraud has great ones.

                                                                                                                      Had a great one at Rockenwagner bakery too. (Brentwood).

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                                                                                                                      1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                                                        I was curious if anyone would mention Rockenwagner.

                                                                                                                        I get baked goods at the Mar Vista/CC location all the time.

                                                                                                                        I can't/won't vouch for the baguette because I've never eaten one in France and can't remember the ones I've had at Acme and really have no experience judging bread that only lasts for 2-5 hours after it's been baked.

                                                                                                                        I do like Rockenwagner's bakery in general, though.

                                                                                                                        1. re: PaulF

                                                                                                                          I've only had their pretzels and perhaps one of their scones? I think it/they was/were fine but were not to the point where I would be dying to go back to try their bread.

                                                                                                                          To the OP, Rockenwagner does have a location in Brentwood. Additionally, have you tried the local Farmer's markets? Btw Santa Monica and Brentwood, you've got at least 2 days of the week covered....

                                                                                                                          1. re: ilysla

                                                                                                                            I love their brioche buns and mini brioche & pretzel buns. They also sell at my local Gelson's. I don't recall seeing baguettes there though.

                                                                                                                      2. i suspect part of the reason is that real baguettes have no butter/fat (which is a large part of why you scarf down an entire one without hammering yourself carbo-wise) means they are pretty much useless by the end of the day as they dry out quickly; folks here aren't going to bake loaves with little to no shelf life and risk no sales.

                                                                                                                        1. Has anyone tried the baguettes from Paris Baguette? The korean bakery chain.

                                                                                                                          1. I am not in your country, but I can find some great baguette in Halifax, Canada. Some decent ones at grocery stores, but some fantastic ones at bakeries.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                              Watch out, CanadaGirl. The OP might extend his/her complaint to Canada as well! He/She has amazing standards that we peasants can't begin to understand, don't you know.

                                                                                                                              1. re: granadafan

                                                                                                                                Maybe, but the OP mentioned good baguette in Montréal, so maybe the good bread extends a few hundred kilometres east to my city :)

                                                                                                                            2. Because you're trying to buy it from a supermarket.

                                                                                                                              Go to a good bakery.

                                                                                                                              1. Learn to like something else. Or move to Montreal.

                                                                                                                                1. While there are some who remain intransigent, I think the thread has offered some really good options. Yeah, I wish we had Acme or Tartine in walking distance, but let's not shit on what we do have.

                                                                                                                                  In the interest of creating something useful from this rant, let's see if we can't put together a list of good bread (focusing on baguettes).

                                                                                                                                  I'll kick it off, with a westside focus. Please do add any options you have good experience with. Geography is no limit, other than keeping it LA/OC

                                                                                                                                  Maison Giraud
                                                                                                                                  Milo + Olive
                                                                                                                                  Amandine (not my fave . . . but is okay)
                                                                                                                                  The Larder at Tavern

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                    Thought of another . . .

                                                                                                                                    Wally's Cheese Box carries Bread Lounge baguettes.


                                                                                                                                    I have had baguettes from all of these places and I think that we're up to 10 places that are very much spread across the westside alone that have good to excellent baguettes. It's looking like no one should be more than 5-10 minutes away from an excellent baguette. Most likely, anyone can just pick up a loaf while running their basic errands.

                                                                                                                                    Not the dire landscape the OP continues to paint.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                      This is a huge tip for any wanting a great baguette in these environs. Huge. Thanks.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                        I agree.

                                                                                                                                        There's a little place on the corner across from bank in WeHo.
                                                                                                                                        They're continuously out of their baguettes and hard french rolls because they're good.
                                                                                                                                        It's within just a couple of minutes from where I live and they'll do just fine when I want a great bread for sandwiches.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                                          You best be watchin' your back in WeHo given the crime statistics quoted on this thread (inaccurately, I think) lest you be the victim of a WeHo baguette-napping.

                                                                                                                                          And should that come to pass, we expect a full report with pictures!

                                                                                                                                        2. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                          I just remembered another possible source at the other end of the Westside - French Market Cafe on Abbot Kinney. It's been a while but their baguettes were quite good. The ownership has changed at least twice but I believe their their bread was from Le Pain du Jour (who moved to the Hawthorne area).

                                                                                                                                          1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                            Shut your mouth. You just outed my secret cache.

                                                                                                                                            This sucks. It was already tough to score a loaf there. Now it's gonna be damn near impossible. revets, latindancer, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to leave Wally's alone.


                                                                                                                                              1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                                Damn! You're right! What was I thinking? *facepalm*

                                                                                                                                            1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                              Was driving by Republique. Thought I'd give the baguette a go.

                                                                                                                                              Happy so far . . .
                                                                                                                                              It's almost as if there are great baguettes all over the place. Strange . . . :)

                                                                                                                                            2. Personally, if I were you, I'd now (and I'm going to) go to Surfas and purchase the frozen baguettes mentioned here.
                                                                                                                                              A great, fresh baguette usually loses its integrity within a few hours.
                                                                                                                                              This way you can have a delicious, hot and tasty baguette any time you want without the hardship of driving in LA.

                                                                                                                                              1. Bristol Farms make a good baguette and they have locations in Santa Monica and Westwood

                                                                                                                                                1. The problem is that you shop at the supermarket, and the fact that you've ever been to Panera kinda shows that you probably just don't know where to look.

                                                                                                                                                  Try every bakery (not some chain like Panera) you can, there is definitely some great bread to be found.

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                                                                                                                                                  1. re: EatFoodGetMoney

                                                                                                                                                    One shouldn't have to try every bakery you can to find decent bread. I don't believe it's an unreasonable expectation to find decent bread even at a chain. I actually started this thread right after going to a Panera for the first time. I was shocked at how mediocre all the baked goods were. 25 years ago the Westside had a small chain of restaurants called Cafe Casino that had decent baguette amongst other things. We've actually regressed in that department as it's harder to find now than in 1989...

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                      >> One shouldn't have to try every bakery you can to find decent bread.

                                                                                                                                                      One shouldn't, if one were in France. They have the infrastructure to deliver what you seek. That is their staple.

                                                                                                                                                      Our infrastructure has developed to deliver Wonder Bread in every corner store. That is our staple.

                                                                                                                                                      Is that so hard to understand? Different cultures with different histories and different culinary expectations.

                                                                                                                                                      I'm not saying I like it-- I'm saying that's how it is.

                                                                                                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                        QUOTE: "I don't believe it's an unreasonable expectation to find decent bread even at a chain."

                                                                                                                                                        Correct. Which is why one poster recommended Bristol Farms. Last time I checked, it was a chain. And it's on the westside (in fact, there are actually 2 on the westside, one on each side of the 405). I assume that other upscale markets (Gelson's, Whole Foods) should also have "decent" bread.

                                                                                                                                                        If you find the locations of all the Bristol Farms, Whole Foods, and Gelson's to be too inconvenient for you, or if you think their bread is of insufficient quality to even make the "decent" cut (I wouldn't know since I haven't tried them myself), then I really don't think anyone on this board is going to have anything to say that's going to change your perception that your food life wherever it is that you're living simply stinks.


                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                                            Shhh. You'll ruin the OP's world view. Can't do that now, ya know.

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: ilysla

                                                                                                                                                            The baguette at Bristol Farms and Whole Foods are not very good. I haven't shopped at a Gelsons in years as they are quite far from me. My food life does not stink. There are plenty of great places to eat near me. Shockingly, good baguette is hard to find though.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                              What zip code do you reside in?

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                  Have you checked out either of the Santa Monica Farmers Markets http://www.smgov.net/portals/farmersm... or the Brentwood Farmers Market http://www.ccfm.com/ccfm/brentwood-fa... for bread by any chance? What about Vicente Foods http://vicentefoods.com/ on San Vicente at Bundy? They might be a good source. And the new Bristol Farms http://www.bristolfarms.com/locations... on Wilshire got quite a few good reviews here when it opened.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                    Bezian Bakery http://www.bezianbakery.com/ does the Wednesday SM Farmers Market and look like a likely suspect for your bread hunt. While there are no photos you can read some Yelp reviews here http://www.yelp.com/biz/bezian-bakery...

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                    Though I cannot recall the baguette at FarmShop seems as though a trip down San Vicente to The Larder/Tavern is a no brainer.

                                                                                                                                                                    Huckleberry makes this list, though I don't think I've ever had their baguette.
                                                                                                                                                                    From Bon Appetit May 2012:
                                                                                                                                                                    Tagline: Can’t make it to Paris any time soon? Not to worry. Thanks to obsessive bakers across the U.S., a great baguette doesn’t require an overseas ticket. Here’s where you’ll find our editors’ favorites.

                                                                                                                                                                2. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                  Then focus on the other good stuff and the lack of a good baguette may not be such a big deal?

                                                                                                                                                                  To be perfectly honest, lots of posters here have given you many recs spanning multiple areas that could be considered "the westside." Yet each time you seem to find something to criticize about the recommendation (not a valid analogy, not close enough to you, not tasty enough, etc, etc, etc).

                                                                                                                                                                  It gives the impression (IMO) that you're not really interested in what people have to say.

                                                                                                                                                                  I also don't know why you find it so shocking that you can't find a good baguette. I can't find a good Chinese food on every corner of the westside. If I had my way, any Chinese food would be much more of staple than is a baguette.

                                                                                                                                                                  I can't find a Duane Reade on every street corner, like I can in NYC. Who the hell cares? It ain't NYC. I don't have to deal w/ NYC weather or housing prices. I'll live w/ the compromise.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ilysla

                                                                                                                                                                    Some people just have an axe to grind with this city and/or country and nothing you say or do will ever change their mind. Oh well

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ilysla

                                                                                                                                                                      I didn't really ask for a recommendation. I said it was a rant. It was prompted by finally breaking down and trying a Panera for the first time and discovering it was worse than I imagined. I've tried every supermarket (except Jon's) and they are all bad. Jon's is not on the Westside. I'll stick to my occasional visit to Amandine and Huckleberry and call it day.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                        <I didn't really ask for a recommendation. I said it was a rant.>

                                                                                                                                                                        More like a tantrum.
                                                                                                                                                                        You just needed to be heard but I learned some great tips.

                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                      I've had baguettes in France and elsewhere in Europe and Bristol Farms baguettes are perfectly fine

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Ernie

                                                                                                                                                                        I've never been to France but, find the baguettes at Whole Foods perfectly fine as well.

                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: ilysla

                                                                                                                                                                      Bristol Farms is also in Westchester.

                                                                                                                                                                    4. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                      I know right. How bad is Panera? Somebody at work brought sandwiches back from there once and I was blown away at how bad it was, completely inedible. Unfortunately you probably do have to try a bunch of bakeries because most bakeries have bread that's just slightly better than most supermarkets. Spiral out from where you live and once you find a good bakery, stick with it. That's what I did in Seattle anyway.
                                                                                                                                                                      On a sidenote I had a French teacher once and she had just moved to the states and was in shock about our bread game, or lack therof. She said all of our bread was for old people who had no teeth. Most of it really is, ugh.

                                                                                                                                                                      Could always try to make bread, if you have a nice oven, you can turn out pretty solid bread, even better with a combi.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: EatFoodGetMoney

                                                                                                                                                                        I don't consider Panera a bakery, no matter what the sign says.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                        Hey, I'm grateful for Panera. Their baked goods may not be french good but my mom had HORRIFIC food allergies and could go into a seizure if she ate the wrong thing. But every Panera has a binder at the front and you can check the ingredient lists of every item. It was one of the few chains she could safely eat at.

                                                                                                                                                                        She actually had to stop getting many of her baguettes and country loaves from TJ's as they used the tasty - but extra fermented biga/sourdough method.

                                                                                                                                                                    5. So, in order to satisfy my own curiosity, not to mention shut a few people up, I went to Maison Giraud this morning to try their baguettes. I had to go twice since they were out the first time, and they had another batch being baked at that moment and would be ready in 25-30 minutes.

                                                                                                                                                                      They were obviously as fresh as possible and still warm when I bought them. Very good, crusty, nice chew. I even bought an extra one to freeze so I can serve it with tomorrow night's dinner.

                                                                                                                                                                      They cost $3.50 a piece. Hope you're all happy now; perhaps some of you can take a break from being so judgmental about how others spend their own time and have opinions different from your own.

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                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                        Nice! Thanks for TOFTT. How was the traffic? :-)

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                                          Very funny, Wayno.... I waited for it to die down and went after 8:30.....

                                                                                                                                                                          What's TOFTT?

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                          Passes the look test for sure.
                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks DWO.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe I would, depending on your line of work, when I retire from being a sahm..... ;0)

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                DWEO, I think you've unfairly taken a few lumps in this thread - versus the OP who probably earned one or two with the writing style.

                                                                                                                                                                                That being said, I applaud you swinging by MG; do you feel it was worth it, and how would you compare the taste to ones you've tried in Paris (if you've had the opportunity)?

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: a213b

                                                                                                                                                                                  <I think you've unfairly taken a few lumps in this thread>

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've, all along, thought Dirtywextraolives (who's I think known for a good sense of humor?) was taking all the little friendly 'jabs' in fun…sort of endearing.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Unless I'm mistaken or missing something?
                                                                                                                                                                                  I certainly meant no harm, that's for sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                                                                                    I easily could've misread the jests as jabs, I admit

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: a213b

                                                                                                                                                                                      In order to successfully post on CH one has to inevitably learn to cope with an occasional 'jab' or else...
                                                                                                                                                                                      It's a basic right of passage.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Not everyone agrees, all the time.
                                                                                                                                                                                      How fun would that be?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorta boring if you ask me.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: a213b

                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh and to answer your question directly, yes it is probably worth it, his baked goods are very good, and I really adore Chef Alain and would like to see him remain in the Palisades for purely selfish reasons. But no, I have not been to Paris so I cannot comment how it compares to Parisian bread, which I assume would be exceptional. How did it taste? Like bread.

                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                                    Hooray for DWEO for bringing up the rear with one of the best posts in this string with awesome pics! And for making a little room in your freezer!

                                                                                                                                                                                    And to the Palisades too. Represent!

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: revets2

                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, I've got to say thank you for at least giving me some props. And to be clear, it wasn't a big deal for me to go to MG as it's about ten minutes from my house ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                      That said, though, I do feel like some of the criticism was directed at me, with some posters throwing my words back at me, framed as lame excuses. Mr. Taster pointed out the original intent and manifesto of the site, but I resent the implication that I am not a true Chowhound just because I don't have the time to sit in traffic for two hours to buy a baguette. And furthermore, I would contend that Mr. Leff would probably be appalled to learn, if he doesn't realize this already, that some CHers were shaming others because of this fact. I'm pretty sure he did not intend for this site to become one of elites and snobs who put down others who cannot afford certain places, and had families to take care of before their stomachs.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I believe I said this before, but apparently it bears repeating: I am not the one who started the thread. I DID and DO agree with the OP that it is a bit of a travesty that it is hard to find decent bread in LA. Now, I will amend that opinion, to say that, yes, there does seem to be more bakeries and the like out there that do a decent job with the bread. And I have even found decent French loaves (not baguettes but the large ones) at my local Von's that they bake in house. So it is no longer impossible to find decent bread, at least where I live now. I certainly cannot speak for the OP.

                                                                                                                                                                                      And I will also dispute the contention that good bread can not be found in supermarkets, either in the past or present. My mother worked full time, and she did not go to bakeries to buy the Italian bread we had a couple times a week. She shopped at a butcher and at a large chain grocery store, and could find the bread in either location. So it was quite eye opening when I moved here 20+ years ago, and found the supermarkets severely lacking in the bread department. But I do believe, as they say, we've come a long way, Baby.

                                                                                                                                                                                  4. Anyone been to Melrose Baking Company (Vienna Cafe) recently?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Haven't in years but they used to have great baguettes. I'll tell you they used to have an awesome authentic ciabatta.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I know the new Superba Bread + Food is positioning itself as a baker and sells baguettes.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyone try one yet? Do they s*ck?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                        "Do they s*ck?"

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm willing to bet that they paper s*ck those s*ckers!

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                                                          Superba Bread and Food

                                                                                                                                                                                          I went there today.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I get my haircut next door. If I wasn't parked right out front, I would not even have known that this restaurant existed. It just opened last Friday.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I walked in just to look at it, just to look at a menu. It is very open and airy inside. Some communal tables, some other tables, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I walked out to my car, then remembered this thread (but not CB's post). Did they have baguettes?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, they do. Three dollars. I bought one just so I could comment here.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Took it home, tore off the end. And?

                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought it was pretty darn good. Chewy crust, but not too hard. soft inside. Tasted like a baguette to me, but then I've never been to any of the places where you can just buy one on every street corner.

                                                                                                                                                                                          We then sliced it up a bit, toasted the slices and added butter/jam. Even better tasting.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought it was fine and would go out on a limb and suggest that the OP for this thread at least give it a go because at the very least it's a fresh baked baguette on the Westside for only three dollars. So, really a low risk baguette to try.

                                                                                                                                                                                          The rest of the menu looked pretty good in a semi-pretentious way. (They have "chickpea puree" instead of, you know "hommos.) Breakfast prices were under 15. Entrees ranged to the mid-twenties.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll definitely be back to try more baked goods. One unfortunate thing is they don't slice their loaves of bread, even if you ask. I don't always like to slice my own.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: PaulF

                                                                                                                                                                                            "...added butter/jam. Even better tasting."

                                                                                                                                                                                            What doesn't butter & jam improve? (j/k - sort of...)

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: PaulF

                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for checking it out and reporting PaulF!

                                                                                                                                                                                              And for the BIG LOL - "...instead of, you know, hommos."

                                                                                                                                                                                              Very funny.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. In this whole country? maybe you're in the wrong city. I've had great baguettes in SF and NY. LA is a tough one mainly bc of distance. depending on where you are you may have to travel to get to that baguette.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ns1

                                                                                                                                                                                                ?? me? i'm being snarky? why? just pointing out that there are no good baguettes in the WHOLE country sounds a bit too much. unless you've been to every state and have sampled baguettes. maybe OP meant LA or Socal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: trolley

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think ns1 meant they redacted their own post for being too snarky of a reply to you about this thread in general.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. And, in addition to the above, how about Maison du Pain? I just had one of their baguette, which they supply to Café Nespa, the café attached to the Jose Eber salon on Camden in BH (and, no!, I don't get my bald-ass head styled there; I just work a couple doors down.). The baguette was pretty good, though could have been a bit crunchier with a thicker crust; this was the ultra-thin model, with the girth of a broomstick.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                                                                To go along with the ultra thin models who go to Jose Eber....

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Try as I might, I just can't get that melody out of my head.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Panera and Corner Bakery are corporate chains who market an idea rather than concentrate on the substance of the food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  A fresh baguette with butter is one of my favorite things. I'm thinking I should perfect my own--once Passover is over. I don't mind the one at Jon's Market but it's not really very authentic. They also carry a baguette from Lorraine French bakery but it never seems as fresh as it used to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. République all the way! Their baguettes are the best ever. I've seen people walk out with a sack of them (30-50 in a sack), including a guy who owns a catering sandwich company and swears by them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jothed0rk

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wish GoodEggs would start carrying them. Marge Manzke is really one of the best bakers in the country at this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Rather than start a new thread, I'm adding to this one to say I landed in baguette heaven yesterday. At Teuscher's, the Swiss chocolate shop and coffee bar at corner of Camden and Brighton in BH, they sell two types of sandwiches each day; and they got those sammies from The Cheese Shop of BH over on Beverly. Yesterday I had the muffalata, which was just olive spread and cheese (the type of cheese was new to me, and I can't recall the name) on a thin baguette. When I got back to my desk and unwrapped it, my initial reaction was scorn because inside the baguette was a tiny schmear of tapenade, barely visible in place, and a single layer of cheese. But, boy oh boy, talk about the sum of the parts being greater than the parts - or however the fuck that saying goes - it was pretty orgasmic and, in large part, this was due to the baguette. It was, IMHO, spectacular. I was so moved by it that I called The Cheese Shop and inquired. They do not sell sandwiches to retail customers, only to other purveyors, like Teuscher's. But they do sell the baguettes, for the few minutes they are available. They procure them from someone named Colleen. They get them Weds through Saturday. They often sell out via phone order, so it was recommended to me that, if I want a baguette, I should call the shop, order one and give a credit card. Baguettes are $4.00. And soooo good. Anybody know about this Colleen source?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Teuscher is just a little haven of perfection. except for their prices, they can do no wrong. $4 for a great baguette is pretty good even to this cheapskate. you should get chummy with the cheese shop staff (not the owner or manager) and finagle this Colleen's phone #

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Speaking of good sandwiches of these sort in BH, anyone try the sandies at Ferrarini?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: revets2

                                                                                                                                                                                                            All the time. Have posted about it a few times. Good stuff. and good cookies, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bought a couple of sandwiches. Top quality meats. Crowded at 11:30am and excellent. Wish I had tried their cookies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tried the Teuscher sandies too and I don't get it. Maybe it was a bad day. They hadn't arrived because of some sort of issue, so maybe I didn't hit it on a standard day. The bread gave our jaws a workout and ripped up the roof of our mouths pretty good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jessejames

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think it's a matter of personal preference. The menu consists of a pretty lengthy lists of toasted Panini. Depends what meat you like, prosciutto, cotto, mortadella, no meat - just veggies, etc. And you can customize, with their various spreads. All in all, though, it's good stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wayno thanks never tried it but will

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Have you tried Superba Food + Bread in Venice

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. I tried the baguette a Huckleberry a few weeks ago and was not overly impressed. It's $3.50 and rates average at best. I definitely prefer the $.99 baguette at Lee's Sandwiches when you factor price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              On as slight aside, we were in Santa Barbara this weekend and had the best croissant I've had in the US at Renaud's (maybe anywhere actually). It made Amandine seem mediocre in comparison. I didn't see any baguette otherwise I would have tried it for sure. All the baked goods at Renaud's looked terrific and everything we tried was very good. That place is legit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                We can disagree about Huckleberry's bread. I think it's first-rate. But the baguette from Lee's is a totally different animal. Viet baguettes use some rice flour and have a very different crust and crumb than a traditional French baguette.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                And Amandine *is* mediocre.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Huckleberry's bread is actually Milo & Olive's - that's where they bake it. Had I known, I would have skipped it. Yes Lee's is a totally different animal hence I based my preference on the 3.5:1 price factor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If Amandine *is* mediocre, I'm sorry that really does not say much for Huckleberry. I've never understood the whole RC, M&O, Huckleberry craze. Absurdly long lines, cramped, zero ambiance to overpay for slightly above average comfort foods...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's nice, but it's an apples and oranges comparison. A traditional French baguette is fundamentally different than a Viet baguette. I like mangos better than papayas. Same kind of comparison.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, all three of those places are owned and operated by the same couple, but RC really isn't operating in anywhere near the same idiom as m+o and Huckleberry. Why not also throw Sweet Rose into the pot? And we're talking baguettes here? Or breakfast? Or what? You don't stand in crazy likes for a baguette to go at either place. RC doesn't sell baguettes, 'cause it a restaurant not a bakery. And you don't stand in line at RC, you make a reservation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can get with the part of the post re: not liking the baguette at Huckleberry. It would be cool if you could get into what precisely you didn't like about it because it's great to get a bunch of clear perspectives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The rest of your post is really all over the place and it just sounds like general kvetching about something I can't really follow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cacio e pepe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Why are you arguing with me over nothing? I know the difference between rustic french and Viet baguette. I agreed with you yet you still rambled on about the differences?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And I never implied RC sells baguette, nor it was a bakery, etc... I merely stated that that group of restaurants, collectively, are insanely popular in Santa Monica. So much so, that FOR ME the long waits and generally hectic nature (particularly M&O and HB) offset their supposed charm. You're just being a wise ass about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, I did not particularly enjoy the baguette at Huckleberry because it was far too chewy. I found it better suited as a sandwich bread. I stated at the top of the thread I prefer baguette that is crunchy on the outside (as in tears the roof of your mouth) and soft and fluffy inside - a la the style at Amandine. As with many things, there is no one perfect formula. I've enjoyed plenty of baguettes that could be described as chewy, but Huckleberry was not at the top of the list.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You're taking umbrage because you wrote a series of posts that don't make any sense? Pretty strange reaction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Glad you eventually got down to brass tacks and could clearly express a description of what you didn't like about The baguette at m+o/Huckleberry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I have to say, I just tried the BEST baguette in the LA county. But it is a little outside of LA, in Diamond Bar (where I am currently located). It's at a very small, hole in the wall place.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                The owner said that there is no sugar in the dough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                His baguettes are great, very crispy on the outside and the loaf is thin and light.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Diamond Bar is about 30-40 min outside of LA, I'm not sure if you're willing to come out that far ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: IammsT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Okay, I'll play the guessing game. Is it Paris Baguette http://www.parisbaguetteusa.com/#!loc... ? Or maybe I should first ask "Is it bigger than a breadbox?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If we are playing the guessing game... perhaps Bagueti. I've been dying to try it! My parents live in DB!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Dommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Do you remember an Italian Deli in DB?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: JAB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, the Italian Deli next to the bowling alley that took forever to get a sandwich.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That's it! It was damn good however. We used it like we now use Claro's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: JAB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          No, we never at in Diamond Bar... Even my friends family that owned Mandarin Taste would go out to Roland Heights for Chinese... LOL!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. re: Dommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think you'll win the grand prize Dommy...(g)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Dommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, Dommy!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You got it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Try it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            They are great and the owner is awesome!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you'd like, you can tell them Teagan referred you :


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm going there today for lunch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hello Servorg,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not Paris Baguette actually. I think they only have very good cream on the outside of their cakes, but everything else are not super great. They're still good but just not great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Please go to Bageti.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Their beef is the best flavor!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you'd like, you can tell them Teagan referred you :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: IammsT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Why are you hesitant on mentioning the name of the bakery?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Chowhound posting in the up worthy style: best baguettes in la - the location will shock you

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The place is called Bageti sandwiches and they opened not too long ago. The guy at the counter constantly states that they only use natural sweeteners, no sugar added to anything. The baguette is good, sort of denser and much I prefer the Viet style from say Boulangerie Pierre and Patisserie in Garden Grove.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I got two sandwiches, pork and chicken. The pork was very good, lots of black pepper and a bit of sweetness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The place is odd, I think they are going for a Viet/Italian/French theme.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1241 Grand Ave
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ste D
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Diamond Bar, CA 91765

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the report back! I still want to try as my parents LOVE Bahn Mi and like P. are more than happy to scratch that itch with the Lees on Colima. It's be great to have something closer and better to show them!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Those sammies look great. I doubt, though, I'll ever be in DB. I'm still touting the baguettes made by Colleen (whoever/wherever she is) for the Cheese Shop of BH. Haven't had a better baguette in LA.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: A5 KOBE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes A5 KOBE! That was the place I'm talking about.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The owner is actually French/Italian.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Their beef is the best flavor, tofu is kinda odd.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chicken has a strange flavor.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But the beef goes great with the baguette they make.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: J.L.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wasn't trying to! Just didn't know if anyone was still following this post.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: IammsT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Diamond Bar is too far for baguette. I can't even remember the last time I was in the area except for maybe driving to the LA Fairgrounds...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've settled on Amandine for baguette and Bay Cities for a more sandwich friendly variety. On a slight aside Copenhagen in Culver City has great Danish pastries!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        love making sandwiches out of the rolls Copenhagen bakery sells on weekends...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: m3tan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I see.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, if you are ever in the area of 57 and 60 freeway, you gotta stop by to try them, their baguette is great.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's at a very odd location and if only they opened somewhere with more traffic, they would get so much more business.