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Apr 3, 2014 01:04 PM

Foods Without Enemies

No, the title doesn't refer to an adjunct of Doctors Without Borders. It instead refers to foods that, at least in the US, seem universally loved, liked, or at least accepted. Not counting those who avoid certain foods for moral or health reasons, it seems that virtually everybody has a soft spot for the following, and nobody "hates" them:

chocolate chip cookies
French fries

Perhaps there's a Hound among us whose gorge rises at the thought of a basket of lightly salted fries. Who chokes back the bile at the sight of a tall glass of cold milk and a plate of chocolate chip cookies fresh from the oven. If so, disabuse me. And for everybody else, please submit other Foods Without Enemies.

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  1. Pie, especially apple made with fresh apples
    Vanilla ice cream
    Oatmeal cookies
    Banana bread
    Grilled cheese sandwiches

    16 Replies
    1. re: greygarious

      Oatmeal cookies and banana bread have at least one enemy - ME. I actually hate oatmeal in any dessert. Everything else you listed, though, is golden!

      1. re: biondanonima

        Add another enemy. The taste of banana bread makes me want to puke. If I never ate another oatmeal cookie, I would die happy. Vanilla ice cream? Maybe not an enemy but meh. Its not even worth having the energy to make it an enemy.

        1. re: Bkeats

          I agree with oatmeal cookies. I think they are wretched. I'd rather eating a piece of celery than an oatmeal cookie. lol

          1. re: Bkeats

            Re: vanilla ice cream
            I don't hate it, but I find it meh enough that I'd rather not have any, and save the calories for something I like.

        2. re: greygarious

          I like all of those--especially M&C--but I prefer my BLT to be a BL.

          1. re: greygarious

            I knew someone would say Mac & Cheese - I HATE it. Always have. Love mac. Love cheese. Can't stand them together. One of the reasons I married my husband was that he felt the same way.

              1. re: NonnieMuss

                I've got no beef (ha.ha.) with mac and cheese but one of my daughters loathes it. Also loathes grilled cheese.

              2. re: greygarious

                Funny I started a thread at Thanksgiving about how my in-laws will never eat my homemade apple pie that I make every year, only the pumpkin. I was going to try to do something different and everyone here said no, plain is best. So I didn't make it at all. Then they asked me where it was! Guess they like just looking at it ;-)

                1. re: greygarious

                  Good list, grey, although I would certainly remove BLTS from it - too many people who hate raw tomatoes or are disgusted by mayo...

                  1. re: sandylc

                    I am one of those disgusted b mayo. But I love a good BLT--after all, it's not a BLTM.

                    1. re: sandylc

                      There's mayo on a BLT? Not mine, although I have nothing against the idea

                      1. re: EWSflash

                        whaaaa? blt without mayo is like blt without b.

                        1. re: EWSflash

                          Love them with a bit of wasabi mayo. Very light layer

                      2. re: greygarious

                        I don't like cheeseburgers(no cheese please) or BLTs. I'm not a fan of tomato slices or mayo'

                      3. Tacos. It's only known enemy is my gastrointestinal tract.

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                        1. re: sinisterkid

                          I'm not a fan of tacos. Although hate would be a bit strong.

                        2. Once upon a time I was an enemy of cheesecake; I have since learned the error of my ways.

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                              1. re: mcsheridan

                                I have yet to find the crustless cheesecake of my youth. Nirvana.
                                Nothing these days comes close.

                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                  Feel free to send any unwanted graham cracker crust this way. . .

                                  1. re: Rilke

                                    Funny, I like graham cracker crust on pies. Just not on my cheesecake

                                    1. re: Gastronomos

                                      I *only* like cheesecake with a 1:1 graham cracker crust-to-cheese ratio.

                                      1. re: nothingswrong

                                        so... graham cracker crust with cheesecake flavoring... ;-)

                                        1. re: Gastronomos

                                          Exactly! On the rare occasion I make cheesecake for no reason (i.e. not because someone requested it), I hide it away just for myself. The crust with a smear of cheesecake is slightly embarrassing, but so damn tasty.

                                  2. re: Gastronomos

                                    Isn't a crustless cheesecake basically cheese?

                                    1. re: Scrofula

                                      No. It's real cheesecake. Nothing else. Nothing to get in the way of the creamy cheesecake.

                                      1. re: Gastronomos

                                        That is the original old style *New York* cheesecake right? I have baked a couple of those. I do not care for them but my two adult kids loved the stuff so I indulged them with various types over the years.

                                        1. re: MamasCooking

                                          and they were always baked properly. NEVER dry. Never overcooked. ALWAYS the best. Then came the rest...

                                          1. re: Gastronomos

                                            The rest like *Oreo....Butterfinger* and such? I have tasted both. Very sweet concoctions with little resemblance to a tart creamy almost sweet cheesecake.

                                            1. re: MamasCooking

                                              Strawberry, and whatnot.
                                              Crust and any other BS that don't go on a good cheesecake. All meant to hide the flat flavor of inferior cheesecake

                                              1. re: Gastronomos

                                                It certainly had a crust 45 years ago when we would visit family in inwood

                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                  maybe "NY Cheesecake" DID/DOES have a crust.... just not the delicious cheesecakes I had all over NY.........

                                                  1. re: Gastronomos

                                                    yes, both my parents were raised in inwood, and my grandparents final apartment was 207th an BWay. what was the purpose of repeating the neighborhood inwood? I too have been all over NYC and it's different neighborhoods. I'm simply sharing that the cheesecake from my youth had a thin tender graham based crust and could be found in all the boroughs.

                                                      1. re: mcf

                                                        all's I know is that I used to enjoy cheesecake a whole helluva lot when young and do not recall a crust on the versions I had. whether good bakery versions or the small individual boxed bodega versions. they were all very good and crustless. maybe we just went to places that did not have crusty cheesecake?

                                                        just like coll states here, we didn't do crusty cheesecake.

                                                        that said, I like the graham cracker crust. I enjoy the graham cracker crust. I just do not like it on my cheesecake as much as I do not like strawberries or anything else on or with my cheesecake. YMMV

                                                        1. re: Gastronomos

                                                          I like plain, lemony vanilla cheesecake, very creamy NY style. I loved graham cracker crust, but grew up eating cakes from the Garden Bake Shop in Glen Oaks, which used a thin sort of biscuit or cookie crust on cheesecake.

                                                          I loved ginger snap crust, too, which I sort of approximate now for low carb with almond flour, ground ginger, melted butter and sweeteners. But not thick.

                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                            almond flour is one of those ingredients that I like to continue to find great uses for. it's just great!

                                                            1. re: Gastronomos

                                                              I was hoping for a courtesy of a reply, for shouting out at me Inwood. And what your point of doing so was.

                                                2. re: greygarious

                                                  My recipe does not call for crust, I have a clipping for one of the more popular cheesecakes around here back in the day, from A&S Dept Stores. It's the only one I ever make, and no one ever asked me where the crust was.

                                                  BTW: Juniors in Brooklyn, who I would consider the final authority on NY cheesecake, does a barely noticeable crust, but it is NOT graham cracker, it is sort of a schmear of sponge cake. I prefer mine though.

                                                    1. re: coll

                                                      The junior's recipe has been published, and their crust is indeed a thin sponge cake.

                                                      1. re: sandylc

                                                        Thank you for that confirmation.

                                          2. re: mcsheridan

                                            For the record, the best cheesecake I've ever had was a maple cheesecake at Addison's in Columbia, Missouri. And I'm a guy who generally loves traditional, straightforward c-cake.

                                              1. re: enbell

                                                Yeah, the Khantessa does not care for chicken broth at all. Only person I've ever known who doesn't like even homemade chicken soup.

                                                1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                  Mr. Deputy doesn't either. So weird and frustrating.

                                            1. mashed potatoes
                                              fried chicken

                                              I was in college before I liked pizza......and still so/so on lasagna depending on how it is made. Tacos will never come near my lips and cheesecake doesn't get there often

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                                              1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                                Leave meat loaf off of my list -- too many bad ones around.

                                                1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                                  i am an enemy of meat loaf--imho it is a way to convert perfectly fine hamburger meat into salty, grey stuff.

                                                  1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                                    FCF - so curious! why will tacos never come near your lips? this fascinates me...i can turn anything into a taco...

                                                    1. re: mariacarmen

                                                      Well, I am not a fan of Mexican or semi Mexican food at all.and the idea of a crunchy roll that is gonna fall apart on first bite doesn't thrill me either

                                                      1. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                                        ah, ok. tacos can be soft, too, you know. but if mexican ain't your thang, it ain't your thang.

                                                        1. re: mariacarmen

                                                          Actually, tacos ARE soft, and the crunchy version came later.

                                                          1. re: Tripeler

                                                            The crunchy version is an American anomaly. I have lived on and off in Mexico for 18 years in different areas and never had a crunchy taco there, Trip.

                                                            1. re: Veggo

                                                              I had heard that the crunchy ones originally came from Mexico as Tacos Dorados, but the information on that was very sketchy. In all the decent places I have had tacos in California, they are all soft made with corn tortillas. But when in Mexico once, a Mexican guy told me that tacos don't really exist, rather they are just a style of eating. In any case, fried tortilla crunchy tacos to me are made to suit US tastes.

                                                              1. re: Tripeler

                                                                I suspect that FriedClamFanatic might be taking this a step further by perhaps referring to the horrid boxed American grocery store "taco shells". We call those cardboard taco shells.

                                                            2. re: Tripeler

                                                              well yes, i know, but i figured FCF didn't, not being a mexican food lover.

                                                          2. re: FriedClamFanatic

                                                            You should look into some authentic Mexican food. It might be a fun adventure.