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Foods Without Enemies

Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:04 PM

No, the title doesn't refer to an adjunct of Doctors Without Borders. It instead refers to foods that, at least in the US, seem universally loved, liked, or at least accepted. Not counting those who avoid certain foods for moral or health reasons, it seems that virtually everybody has a soft spot for the following, and nobody "hates" them:

chocolate chip cookies
French fries

Perhaps there's a Hound among us whose gorge rises at the thought of a basket of lightly salted fries. Who chokes back the bile at the sight of a tall glass of cold milk and a plate of chocolate chip cookies fresh from the oven. If so, disabuse me. And for everybody else, please submit other Foods Without Enemies.

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  1. greygarious RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:17 PM

    Pie, especially apple made with fresh apples
    Vanilla ice cream
    Oatmeal cookies
    Banana bread
    Grilled cheese sandwiches

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    1. re: greygarious
      biondanonima RE: greygarious Apr 3, 2014 01:20 PM

      Oatmeal cookies and banana bread have at least one enemy - ME. I actually hate oatmeal in any dessert. Everything else you listed, though, is golden!

      1. re: biondanonima
        Bkeats RE: biondanonima Apr 7, 2014 06:48 AM

        Add another enemy. The taste of banana bread makes me want to puke. If I never ate another oatmeal cookie, I would die happy. Vanilla ice cream? Maybe not an enemy but meh. Its not even worth having the energy to make it an enemy.

        1. re: Bkeats
          ttoommyy RE: Bkeats Apr 7, 2014 12:18 PM

          I agree with oatmeal cookies. I think they are wretched. I'd rather eating a piece of celery than an oatmeal cookie. lol

      2. re: greygarious
        Perilagu Khan RE: greygarious Apr 3, 2014 02:55 PM

        I like all of those--especially M&C--but I prefer my BLT to be a BL.

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          bagelman01 RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 05:28 PM

          Like you, I don't care for raw tomato

        2. re: greygarious
          NonnieMuss RE: greygarious Apr 4, 2014 05:46 AM

          I knew someone would say Mac & Cheese - I HATE it. Always have. Love mac. Love cheese. Can't stand them together. One of the reasons I married my husband was that he felt the same way.

          1. re: NonnieMuss
            Perilagu Khan RE: NonnieMuss Apr 4, 2014 08:16 AM

            As good a reason as any.

            1. re: NonnieMuss
              P_penelope RE: NonnieMuss Apr 5, 2014 03:02 PM

              I've got no beef (ha.ha.) with mac and cheese but one of my daughters loathes it. Also loathes grilled cheese.

            2. re: greygarious
              coll RE: greygarious Apr 6, 2014 04:31 AM

              Funny I started a thread at Thanksgiving about how my in-laws will never eat my homemade apple pie that I make every year, only the pumpkin. I was going to try to do something different and everyone here said no, plain is best. So I didn't make it at all. Then they asked me where it was! Guess they like just looking at it ;-)

              1. re: greygarious
                sandylc RE: greygarious Apr 6, 2014 11:21 AM

                Good list, grey, although I would certainly remove BLTS from it - too many people who hate raw tomatoes or are disgusted by mayo...

                1. re: sandylc
                  gaffk RE: sandylc Apr 6, 2014 02:59 PM

                  I am one of those disgusted b mayo. But I love a good BLT--after all, it's not a BLTM.

                2. re: greygarious
                  Kelli2006 RE: greygarious Apr 11, 2014 04:29 PM

                  I don't like cheeseburgers(no cheese please) or BLTs. I'm not a fan of tomato slices or mayo'

                3. sinisterkid RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:21 PM

                  Tacos. It's only known enemy is my gastrointestinal tract.

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                  1. re: sinisterkid
                    Wawsanham RE: sinisterkid Apr 4, 2014 07:50 AM

                    I'm not a fan of tacos. Although hate would be a bit strong.

                  2. mcsheridan RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:22 PM

                    Once upon a time I was an enemy of cheesecake; I have since learned the error of my ways.

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                      nothingswrong RE: mcsheridan Apr 3, 2014 01:43 PM

                      Me too, thought I was the only one.

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                        masha RE: mcsheridan Apr 3, 2014 05:04 PM


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                          Gastronomos RE: mcsheridan Apr 3, 2014 05:22 PM

                          I have yet to find the crustless cheesecake of my youth. Nirvana.
                          Nothing these days comes close.

                          1. re: Gastronomos
                            Rilke RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 07:33 AM

                            Feel free to send any unwanted graham cracker crust this way. . .

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                              Gastronomos RE: Rilke Apr 4, 2014 08:06 AM

                              Funny, I like graham cracker crust on pies. Just not on my cheesecake

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                                nothingswrong RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 11:38 AM

                                I *only* like cheesecake with a 1:1 graham cracker crust-to-cheese ratio.

                                1. re: nothingswrong
                                  Gastronomos RE: nothingswrong Apr 4, 2014 01:11 PM

                                  so... graham cracker crust with cheesecake flavoring... ;-)

                                  1. re: Gastronomos
                                    nothingswrong RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 03:53 PM

                                    Exactly! On the rare occasion I make cheesecake for no reason (i.e. not because someone requested it), I hide it away just for myself. The crust with a smear of cheesecake is slightly embarrassing, but so damn tasty.

                            2. re: Gastronomos
                              Scrofula RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 02:33 PM

                              Isn't a crustless cheesecake basically cheese?

                              1. re: Scrofula
                                Gastronomos RE: Scrofula Apr 4, 2014 03:14 PM

                                No. It's real cheesecake. Nothing else. Nothing to get in the way of the creamy cheesecake.

                                1. re: Gastronomos
                                  MamasCooking RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 04:24 PM

                                  That is the original old style *New York* cheesecake right? I have baked a couple of those. I do not care for them but my two adult kids loved the stuff so I indulged them with various types over the years.

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                                    Gastronomos RE: MamasCooking Apr 4, 2014 04:28 PM

                                    and they were always baked properly. NEVER dry. Never overcooked. ALWAYS the best. Then came the rest...

                                    1. re: Gastronomos
                                      MamasCooking RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 04:50 PM

                                      The rest like *Oreo....Butterfinger* and such? I have tasted both. Very sweet concoctions with little resemblance to a tart creamy almost sweet cheesecake.

                                      1. re: MamasCooking
                                        Gastronomos RE: MamasCooking Apr 4, 2014 05:50 PM

                                        Strawberry, and whatnot.
                                        Crust and any other BS that don't go on a good cheesecake. All meant to hide the flat flavor of inferior cheesecake

                                    2. re: MamasCooking
                                      greygarious RE: MamasCooking Apr 4, 2014 04:29 PM

                                      No. NY style cheesecake has crust.

                                      1. re: greygarious
                                        Gastronomos RE: greygarious Apr 4, 2014 05:48 PM

                                        It does now. It never used to.

                                        1. re: Gastronomos
                                          Bellachefa RE: Gastronomos Apr 5, 2014 08:46 AM

                                          It certainly had a crust 45 years ago when we would visit family in inwood

                                          1. re: Bellachefa
                                            Gastronomos RE: Bellachefa Apr 5, 2014 08:49 AM

                                            maybe "NY Cheesecake" DID/DOES have a crust.... just not the delicious cheesecakes I had all over NY.........

                                            1. re: Gastronomos
                                              Bellachefa RE: Gastronomos Apr 5, 2014 09:03 AM

                                              yes, both my parents were raised in inwood, and my grandparents final apartment was 207th an BWay. what was the purpose of repeating the neighborhood inwood? I too have been all over NYC and it's different neighborhoods. I'm simply sharing that the cheesecake from my youth had a thin tender graham based crust and could be found in all the boroughs.

                                              1. re: Gastronomos
                                                mcf RE: Gastronomos Apr 5, 2014 09:06 AM

                                                Turf cheesecake, chance?

                                                1. re: mcf
                                                  Gastronomos RE: mcf Apr 5, 2014 09:11 AM

                                                  all's I know is that I used to enjoy cheesecake a whole helluva lot when young and do not recall a crust on the versions I had. whether good bakery versions or the small individual boxed bodega versions. they were all very good and crustless. maybe we just went to places that did not have crusty cheesecake?

                                                  just like coll states here, we didn't do crusty cheesecake.

                                                  that said, I like the graham cracker crust. I enjoy the graham cracker crust. I just do not like it on my cheesecake as much as I do not like strawberries or anything else on or with my cheesecake. YMMV

                                                  1. re: Gastronomos
                                                    mcf RE: Gastronomos Apr 5, 2014 09:41 AM

                                                    I like plain, lemony vanilla cheesecake, very creamy NY style. I loved graham cracker crust, but grew up eating cakes from the Garden Bake Shop in Glen Oaks, which used a thin sort of biscuit or cookie crust on cheesecake.

                                                    I loved ginger snap crust, too, which I sort of approximate now for low carb with almond flour, ground ginger, melted butter and sweeteners. But not thick.

                                                    1. re: mcf
                                                      Gastronomos RE: mcf Apr 5, 2014 10:07 AM

                                                      almond flour is one of those ingredients that I like to continue to find great uses for. it's just great!

                                                      1. re: Gastronomos
                                                        Bellachefa RE: Gastronomos Apr 5, 2014 10:09 AM

                                                        I was hoping for a courtesy of a reply, for shouting out at me Inwood. And what your point of doing so was.

                                                        1. re: Bellachefa
                                                          Gastronomos RE: Bellachefa Apr 5, 2014 10:11 AM

                                                          it's gone.

                                          2. re: greygarious
                                            coll RE: greygarious Apr 5, 2014 07:54 AM

                                            My recipe does not call for crust, I have a clipping for one of the more popular cheesecakes around here back in the day, from A&S Dept Stores. It's the only one I ever make, and no one ever asked me where the crust was.

                                            BTW: Juniors in Brooklyn, who I would consider the final authority on NY cheesecake, does a barely noticeable crust, but it is NOT graham cracker, it is sort of a schmear of sponge cake. I prefer mine though.

                                            1. re: coll
                                              Gastronomos RE: coll Apr 5, 2014 08:08 AM


                                              1. re: coll
                                                sandylc RE: coll Apr 6, 2014 11:43 AM

                                                The junior's recipe has been published, and their crust is indeed a thin sponge cake.

                                                1. re: sandylc
                                                  coll RE: sandylc Apr 6, 2014 03:16 PM

                                                  Thank you for that confirmation.

                                    3. re: mcsheridan
                                      Perilagu Khan RE: mcsheridan Apr 5, 2014 08:37 AM

                                      For the record, the best cheesecake I've ever had was a maple cheesecake at Addison's in Columbia, Missouri. And I'm a guy who generally loves traditional, straightforward c-cake.

                                    4. alliegator RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:25 PM

                                      Chicken noodle soup

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                                      1. re: alliegator
                                        enbell RE: alliegator Apr 6, 2014 12:39 AM

                                        Not. A. Fan.

                                        1. re: enbell
                                          Perilagu Khan RE: enbell Apr 6, 2014 08:43 AM

                                          Yeah, the Khantessa does not care for chicken broth at all. Only person I've ever known who doesn't like even homemade chicken soup.

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                                        FriedClamFanatic RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:28 PM

                                        mashed potatoes
                                        fried chicken

                                        I was in college before I liked pizza......and still so/so on lasagna depending on how it is made. Tacos will never come near my lips and cheesecake doesn't get there often

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                                          DebinIndiana RE: FriedClamFanatic Apr 4, 2014 09:24 AM

                                          Leave meat loaf off of my list -- too many bad ones around.

                                          1. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                            westsidegal RE: FriedClamFanatic Apr 4, 2014 09:36 AM

                                            i am an enemy of meat loaf--imho it is a way to convert perfectly fine hamburger meat into salty, grey stuff.

                                            1. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                              mariacarmen RE: FriedClamFanatic Apr 4, 2014 10:37 PM

                                              FCF - so curious! why will tacos never come near your lips? this fascinates me...i can turn anything into a taco...

                                              1. re: mariacarmen
                                                FriedClamFanatic RE: mariacarmen Apr 5, 2014 07:18 AM

                                                Well, I am not a fan of Mexican or semi Mexican food at all.and the idea of a crunchy roll that is gonna fall apart on first bite doesn't thrill me either

                                                1. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                                  mariacarmen RE: FriedClamFanatic Apr 5, 2014 07:24 AM

                                                  ah, ok. tacos can be soft, too, you know. but if mexican ain't your thang, it ain't your thang.

                                                  1. re: mariacarmen
                                                    Tripeler RE: mariacarmen Apr 8, 2014 06:05 PM

                                                    Actually, tacos ARE soft, and the crunchy version came later.

                                                    1. re: Tripeler
                                                      Veggo RE: Tripeler Apr 8, 2014 06:36 PM

                                                      The crunchy version is an American anomaly. I have lived on and off in Mexico for 18 years in different areas and never had a crunchy taco there, Trip.

                                                      1. re: Veggo
                                                        Tripeler RE: Veggo Apr 10, 2014 12:36 AM

                                                        I had heard that the crunchy ones originally came from Mexico as Tacos Dorados, but the information on that was very sketchy. In all the decent places I have had tacos in California, they are all soft made with corn tortillas. But when in Mexico once, a Mexican guy told me that tacos don't really exist, rather they are just a style of eating. In any case, fried tortilla crunchy tacos to me are made to suit US tastes.

                                                        1. re: Tripeler
                                                          sandylc RE: Tripeler Apr 10, 2014 11:39 AM

                                                          I suspect that FriedClamFanatic might be taking this a step further by perhaps referring to the horrid boxed American grocery store "taco shells". We call those cardboard taco shells.

                                                          1. re: sandylc
                                                            FriedClamFanatic RE: sandylc Apr 10, 2014 01:55 PM

                                                            those too

                                                      2. re: Tripeler
                                                        mariacarmen RE: Tripeler Apr 8, 2014 08:15 PM

                                                        well yes, i know, but i figured FCF didn't, not being a mexican food lover.

                                                    2. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                                      sandylc RE: FriedClamFanatic Apr 6, 2014 01:40 PM

                                                      You should look into some authentic Mexican food. It might be a fun adventure.

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                                                  miss_belle RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:32 PM

                                                  chicken and dumplings

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                                                  1. re: miss_belle
                                                    gaffk RE: miss_belle Apr 3, 2014 01:57 PM

                                                    Count me as an enemy of those godawful doughy dumplings. (Sorry, I don' mean to yuck your yum.)

                                                    1. re: gaffk
                                                      linguafood RE: gaffk Apr 3, 2014 01:59 PM

                                                      That's the inherent problem with these threads, tho.

                                                      They end up being yuck vs. yum exchanges.

                                                      1. re: linguafood
                                                        gaffk RE: linguafood Apr 3, 2014 02:16 PM

                                                        And yet I still get sucked in to these types of threads.

                                                        1. re: gaffk
                                                          linguafood RE: gaffk Apr 3, 2014 02:17 PM

                                                          Yah, I'ma unfollow it, I think :-)

                                                          1. re: linguafood
                                                            gaffk RE: linguafood Apr 3, 2014 02:22 PM

                                                            I reserve my unfollows for those threads that become either overly pedantic or largely argumentative. This one is still amusing.

                                                        2. re: linguafood
                                                          greygarious RE: linguafood Apr 4, 2014 01:46 PM

                                                          Yes. People can't help weighing in with their own personal preferences, when what the OP requested was foods that are generally liked/accepted.

                                                          I do not particularly care for some of the ones I listed upthread but included them because I know they are popular.

                                                          1. re: linguafood
                                                            chowser RE: linguafood Apr 9, 2014 06:39 AM

                                                            Yeah, I can imagine a non-CH thread on things people generally like.

                                                            Raindrops on roses...'I hate those thorns. I wish they'd all disappear!"
                                                            Whiskers on kittens..."Useless furballs of nothingness!"
                                                            Bright copper kettles..."Ewww, did you ever try to clean one of those things? Yuck!"
                                                            Warm woolen mittens..."I'm allergic to them. Those poor sheet. I hope they were humanely treated!"

                                                            Bah humbug!

                                                            1. re: chowser
                                                              ttoommyy RE: chowser Apr 9, 2014 10:18 AM

                                                              I hate that *$#$#* song!

                                                              1. re: ttoommyy
                                                                chowser RE: ttoommyy Apr 9, 2014 10:50 AM

                                                                Julie Andrews! Universally loved!

                                                                1. re: chowser
                                                                  ttoommyy RE: chowser Apr 9, 2014 05:29 PM

                                                                  Not by me! Can't stand that movie nor Mary Poppins.

                                                          2. re: gaffk
                                                            MamasCooking RE: gaffk Apr 3, 2014 03:42 PM

                                                            I make an herbed biscuit that gets steamed on top of the *fried* chicken with vegetables and gravy. Fluffy and light.

                                                            1. re: MamasCooking
                                                              gaffk RE: MamasCooking Apr 3, 2014 04:47 PM

                                                              Ah, but in my experience a biscuit and a dumpling are two different things. A light and fluffy biscuit like mom made is a thing of beauty. A dumpling . . . not so much.

                                                              1. re: gaffk
                                                                MamasCooking RE: gaffk Apr 3, 2014 05:26 PM

                                                                I agree. A dumpling is too soft and gooey to not be gagged on:)

                                                                1. re: MamasCooking
                                                                  sisterfunkhaus RE: MamasCooking Apr 6, 2014 06:00 PM

                                                                  I put in less milk than called for and it makes a light fluffy dumpling. I can't stand heavy and gooey dumplings.

                                                                  1. re: sisterfunkhaus
                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: sisterfunkhaus Apr 7, 2014 08:43 AM

                                                                    My dumplings are heavy and dense, but definitely not gooey.

                                                                2. re: gaffk
                                                                  sandylc RE: gaffk Apr 6, 2014 01:41 PM

                                                                  My grandmother's dumplings were more like fat noodles.

                                                                  1. re: sandylc
                                                                    harryharry RE: sandylc Apr 7, 2014 10:51 AM

                                                                    chicken and dumplings have at least two very distinct varieties - I believe they are determined geographically, but I could be mistaken (happens often)

                                                                    I love the type which is like chicken stew (kind of like pot pie filling) with steamed biscuit type dough on top

                                                                    the other kind is more like a thickened soup with doughy/dense noodles in it (not my scene!)

                                                                    1. re: harryharry
                                                                      sandylc RE: harryharry Apr 7, 2014 10:58 AM

                                                                      My grandmother did the second kind, and my mother did the first one!

                                                                      I like both well enough.

                                                                      I recently had a very precious-looking bowl of chicken and dumplings at a trendy new restaurant - this dish had been oohed and ahhed over in social media. I must have been there on a bad night, because it was a bowl of tasteless "broth" with 3 bites of chicken, a couple of lonely vegetables, and 3 beautifully shaped golfball-sized dumplings that literally tasted like nothing. I didn't finish it; heck, I barely started it. Not worth eating.

                                                                      1. re: harryharry
                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: harryharry Apr 7, 2014 11:00 AM

                                                                        I believe the former is more common north of the Mason-Dixon, while the latter is more a southern thang.

                                                                    2. re: gaffk
                                                                      c oliver RE: gaffk Apr 13, 2014 02:32 AM

                                                                      I loathe either one used in that way. Shiver.

                                                                      Still can't think of anything without an enemy.

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                                                                        ttoommyy RE: c oliver Apr 13, 2014 05:26 AM

                                                                        Well, if even water has its enemies, I doubt we'll come up with anything! :)

                                                                3. re: miss_belle
                                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: miss_belle Apr 3, 2014 02:56 PM

                                                                  Love 'em to death, but I suspect they have an enemy or two.

                                                                  1. re: miss_belle
                                                                    BuildingMyBento RE: miss_belle Apr 3, 2014 11:38 PM

                                                                    I guess one of my least favorite "cuisines" is whatever main is likely to be in a Norman Rockwell painting.

                                                                    1. re: miss_belle
                                                                      DebinIndiana RE: miss_belle Apr 4, 2014 09:26 AM

                                                                      I agreed because to me, chicken and dumplings are pretty much noodles (big noodles). Not the case everywhere, I know.

                                                                      1. re: miss_belle
                                                                        Gastronomos RE: miss_belle Apr 6, 2014 03:29 PM

                                                                        Maybe cause I didn't grow up on them. Maybe cause I get them only on trips to where they are popular. Maybe cause chicken and dumplings is really delicious.
                                                                        The closest I can get without an air plane is a 3 hour drive to the closest Cracker Barrel.

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                                                                          pine time RE: Gastronomos Apr 7, 2014 05:11 AM

                                                                          We're also a 3 hr drive to the nearest Cracker Barrel, gastronomos, and we happily make that drive about 4 times a year, mostly for a plateful of chicken and dumplings. I make fat, fluffy dumplings at home, but I crave those gooey, noodle-ish ones of my youth. (Oh, I also order a side of country ham. A weird combo, but since we make the drive so seldom, I can't choose between my 2 favorite meals, so I get the best of both worlds.)

                                                                          1. re: pine time
                                                                            Veggo RE: pine time Apr 7, 2014 08:49 AM

                                                                            3 hours to a Cracker Barrel? They should feature you in an ad! I've made a mental note to try their chicken and dumplings!

                                                                            1. re: Veggo
                                                                              coll RE: Veggo Apr 7, 2014 11:17 AM

                                                                              Me too, and that's not counting all the tolls to get off the island! I fell in love when we were at my brother's in GA, if they were here I'd visit them on a regular basis.

                                                                              1. re: coll
                                                                                Gastronomos RE: coll Apr 7, 2014 12:18 PM

                                                                                Apparently there once upon a time used to be a location on the island. Or so I think I read once somewhere. ..

                                                                                1. re: Gastronomos
                                                                                  coll RE: Gastronomos Apr 7, 2014 01:03 PM

                                                                                  I was shocked to see a Dennys in Centereach the other day, so you never know. (Never been to Dennys myself, but I have out of state friends that eat there almost daily and were surprised I didn't have one right around the corner).

                                                                                  1. re: coll
                                                                                    Gastronomos RE: coll Apr 7, 2014 01:18 PM

                                                                                    Denny's made it to Long Island just recently. Three locations already! I avoided them on all my travels through the years. The 100 locations on the strip in Las Vegas, on Maui and the Big Island, etc.
                                                                                    I had to try BOTH locations, for breakfast only, in Nassau, you know, kids....
                                                                                    I'll admit, besides the extra slow service... the food is actually better than the local diners.....

                                                                                    1. re: Gastronomos
                                                                                      coll RE: Gastronomos Apr 7, 2014 01:20 PM

                                                                                      Good to know. In case every other restaurant on Long Island burns down ;-)

                                                                                      Just kidding, we visited the local Friendlys a few weeks ago for possibly the first time in our lives, because is was right across from the hospital, and had a GREAT meal. I was actually raving to people about the pastrami sandwich and the fish taco.

                                                                                      1. re: coll
                                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: coll Apr 7, 2014 03:07 PM

                                                                                        The lyrics to Dave & Dave's "Welcome to the Boomtown" kinda put me off Denny's permanently.

                                                                      2. alliegator RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:36 PM

                                                                        I have to fess up: I'm a meatloaf enemy.

                                                                        Soft pretzels seem pretty enemy-less.

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                                                                        1. re: alliegator
                                                                          linguafood RE: alliegator Apr 3, 2014 01:44 PM

                                                                          I never got meatloaf either as a food.

                                                                          Cheese seems to have few haters.

                                                                          1. re: linguafood
                                                                            alliegator RE: linguafood Apr 3, 2014 01:47 PM

                                                                            I don't even know how to describe my meatloaf disdain. It just seems so... loose? Loafy? When I look at one, I just wonder why. Who decided on this?

                                                                            Cheese has to have very few enemies.

                                                                            1. re: alliegator
                                                                              linguafood RE: alliegator Apr 3, 2014 01:53 PM

                                                                              I can only explain it as one of those childhood dishes that people are nostalgic about, and we all have at least one.

                                                                              We didn't have much meatloaf in my childhood (thank goodness), and so I don't get it, don't miss it, don't want it.

                                                                              The name alone. Eh.

                                                                              1. re: linguafood
                                                                                alliegator RE: linguafood Apr 3, 2014 02:03 PM

                                                                                You're right about that.
                                                                                And since I can't stand to be without knowledge, I present the history of meatloaf.

                                                                                1. re: linguafood
                                                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: linguafood Apr 3, 2014 02:57 PM

                                                                                  I like meatloaf sufficiently, but I'm not just zany about it.

                                                                                2. re: alliegator
                                                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: alliegator Apr 3, 2014 02:58 PM

                                                                                  I submit that there's nobody--at least in the US--who doesn't like at least one type of cheese.

                                                                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                                                                    gaffk RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 03:35 PM

                                                                                    Nope. As astonishing as it is to me, they exist.


                                                                                  2. re: alliegator
                                                                                    mariacarmen RE: alliegator Apr 4, 2014 10:38 PM

                                                                                    i know (or have known) people who don't love cheese. i don't get them at all.

                                                                                    1. re: alliegator
                                                                                      c oliver RE: alliegator Apr 13, 2014 02:36 AM

                                                                                      Here's our smoked meatloaf we did a while back:


                                                                                3. Jacquilynne RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:55 PM

                                                                                  I know a couple of different people for whom chocolate is a migraine trigger, so chocolate chip cookies are not a happy thought for them.

                                                                                  And I know lots and lots of people who can't stomach the thought of the glass of milk you suggest to go with it. Some of them are lactose intolerant, some of them just really don't like milk. Fear of milk is actually a known phobia.

                                                                                  I feel like plain pound cake or corn bread might be unhateable, at least in part because the ordinary varieties of them are so decidedly middle-of-the-road it's hard to latch onto anything about them too hate -- they usually have no really strong flavors at all.

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                                                                                  1. re: Jacquilynne
                                                                                    lagatta RE: Jacquilynne Apr 5, 2014 07:27 AM

                                                                                    I was violently allergic to milk as a child and still have some degree of lactose intolerance. The thought of having to drink milk makes me feel ill. And don't especially like chocolate chip cookies - far too sweet.

                                                                                    1. re: Jacquilynne
                                                                                      Jenny Ondioline RE: Jacquilynne Apr 5, 2014 09:55 PM

                                                                                      If that cornbread has sugar in it, it can die in a fire. Real cornbread tastes like corn.

                                                                                    2. gaffk RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 01:56 PM

                                                                                      Nope, can't stand cheesecake. And while not an enemy of tacos, I'm certainly not an ally either.

                                                                                      Chocolate can't have many enemies, can it?

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                                                                                        valerie RE: gaffk Apr 3, 2014 02:03 PM

                                                                                        Can't stand cheesecake either.

                                                                                        And yes, there are people who don't like chocolate. I am not one of them...I love chocolate.


                                                                                        1. re: valerie
                                                                                          gaffk RE: valerie Apr 3, 2014 02:20 PM

                                                                                          Wow, who knew. There's a running joke in my family because my collection of cookbooks is more than 50% devoted to chocolate and my "personal" recipe collection is about 90% chocolate.

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                                                                                            sedimental RE: gaffk Apr 3, 2014 07:08 PM

                                                                                            Wow. I never really understood the chocolate love! I will pick almost anything but chocolate. I love cheesecake though. I love not too sweet desserts, in general. Chocolate desserts always seem too sweet and over the top...even dark chocolate desserts.

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                                                                                              gaffk RE: sedimental Apr 4, 2014 01:09 PM

                                                                                              I blame my parents. . .Dad had a serious sweet tooth (loved visiting him in his office--he had chocolate in just about every desk drawer). Mom's sweet tooth was almost his match though.

                                                                                              Just last night we were out to dinner at a local restaurant that has great desserts. One of last night's specials was a dessert with a chocolate shortbread crust filled with chocolate mousse and topped with fresh raspberries; served with chocolate sauce, raspberry coulis and fresh whipped cream. Nirvana!

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                                                                                                Perilagu Khan RE: gaffk Apr 4, 2014 01:51 PM

                                                                                                I'm guessing the cutlery was molded out of chocolate as well.

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                                                                                                  gaffk RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 02:30 PM

                                                                                                  I like your thinking PK. Maybe I'll send their pastry chef that suggestion.

                                                                                                  I have been given those chocolate coated spoons a few times . . . they make a damn good chocolate milk.

                                                                                              2. re: sedimental
                                                                                                daislander RE: sedimental Apr 12, 2014 04:38 PM

                                                                                                Chocolate cheesecake is gross! Love both. Horrible together. Same goes for chocolate yogurt and frozen yogurt. Are you kidding bleh.

                                                                                            2. re: valerie
                                                                                              SilverMoth RE: valerie Apr 4, 2014 08:02 AM

                                                                                              Make that three. I don't like cheesecake. It's just too rich for me.

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                                                                                                lagatta RE: SilverMoth Apr 5, 2014 07:28 AM

                                                                                                Have you ever tried Italian ricotta-based cheesecake? It is the only kind I like, or will eat.

                                                                                                I buy ewe's milk ricotta - much easier to digest for me.

                                                                                            3. re: gaffk
                                                                                              mariacarmen RE: gaffk Apr 4, 2014 10:39 PM

                                                                                              my dad hated chocolate. with a passion. but he had a sweet tooth. go figger.

                                                                                              i'm ok with chocolate. like, sometimes love. but 99% of the time, IF i get dessert, it's not chocolate-involved.

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                                                                                                gaffk RE: mariacarmen Apr 5, 2014 03:15 PM

                                                                                                I don't always (or even often) get dessert. But when I do it has some element of chocolate.

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                                                                                                  valerie RE: gaffk Apr 6, 2014 08:10 PM

                                                                                                  Same here. If I'm going to splurge, it's going to have chocolate.

                                                                                                  1. re: valerie
                                                                                                    ttoommyy RE: valerie Apr 7, 2014 03:52 AM

                                                                                                    And I am just the opposite. If a menu has mostly chocolate desserts, I can easily pass. The dessert clincher for me is some kind of custard or cream element.

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                                                                                              kcshigekawa RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 02:17 PM

                                                                                              I wouldn't say that cheesecake is my enemy; more like an acquaintance whose company I never actively seek out. If we meet accidentally, I will be polite.

                                                                                              1. Will Owen RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 02:48 PM

                                                                                                I'm not a person who should be responding to this, since my list of hated foods has dwindled to the point of near-invisibility, or a brief list of stuff I'll eat if that's all there is. Pretzels, for instance. I think the dry, deeply-scorched puffy omelets my mom made are the only thing remaining on the NO!! list, and those are easy to avoid. And I really could not get past the stink of durian. OTOH, my list of best-liked stuff is jammed with things I've seen lots of hatred for here, starting with mayonnaise, so I'll just sit the rest of this one out. Carry on, please.

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                                                                                                  pedalfaster RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 04:54 PM

                                                                                                  I would guess that the lactose/gluten intolerant crew will have a problem with everything on your list. Except for the fries.

                                                                                                  The sodium-intolerant folks will kill that.

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                                                                                                    nothingswrong RE: pedalfaster Apr 3, 2014 05:56 PM

                                                                                                    He did stipulate "Not counting those who avoid certain foods for moral or health reasons..."

                                                                                                    I'm lactose intolerant enough that a glass of milk would put me down for several days, but if I could--a tall cold glass of milk with warm chocolate chip cookies would be heaven on a nightly basis.

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                                                                                                      BuildingMyBento RE: nothingswrong Apr 3, 2014 11:39 PM

                                                                                                      What do you sub for milk then?

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                                                                                                        fldhkybnva RE: BuildingMyBento Apr 4, 2014 02:58 AM

                                                                                                        I don't drink milk either I can't even drink white thin liquids. Sub for milk? In baked goods it usually is dilute enough or there's Lactaid milk or a million other milk products. I prefer almond milk but probably use the equivalent of a glass a month. When I was younger we'd buy a pint of milk at the convenience store and it'd last until it went bad between three of us. My SO guzzles milk and it baffles my mind.

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                                                                                                          nothingswrong RE: BuildingMyBento Apr 4, 2014 11:40 AM

                                                                                                          With my cookies, or in general? With cookies, nothing. I don't really like to eat and drink simultaneously, not sure why.

                                                                                                          In general, I don't have a substitute. I like my cereal dry, but will on occasion use rice milk. I otherwise drink espresso, water, or Coke with dinner.

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                                                                                                            Ttrockwood RE: BuildingMyBento Apr 4, 2014 07:40 PM

                                                                                                            The almond coconut blend from almond breeze (unsweetened) is wonderful, as is almond milk, cashew milk, coconut milk (not in a can, from the carton to drink), soymilk, hemp milk, etc.....

                                                                                                          2. re: nothingswrong
                                                                                                            Perilagu Khan RE: nothingswrong Apr 4, 2014 08:18 AM

                                                                                                            Thank you for drawing attention to that important codicil.

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                                                                                                            CKaty RE: pedalfaster Apr 5, 2014 09:10 PM

                                                                                                            This. Lasagna, Cheesecake and Pizza rejected my love and stomped all over my heart with their hobnailed cheesy boots. Now, I hate them.

                                                                                                          4. fldhkybnva RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 05:09 PM

                                                                                                            This list is sort of presumptive - I have a very soft spot for French fries but the rest I can do without. I'll eat pizza and lasagna if it's particularly good which is a rare occasion for me and 99.9/100 pass on chocolate chip cookies and cheesecake. I think this might be an impossible list to make.

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                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: fldhkybnva Apr 4, 2014 08:20 AM

                                                                                                              "Can do without"--is that the same thing as active dislike? If you can take or leave a certain food, it fits into the "foods without enemies" category.

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                                                                                                                mariacarmen RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 10:43 PM

                                                                                                                right - i assumed it was foods most people don't actively hate.

                                                                                                            2. MamasCooking RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 05:30 PM

                                                                                                              I could never hate a home made strawberry shortcake made with a *biscuit* type cake,tons of fresh strawberries sweetened with simple syrup,piled high onto the cake and drenched in either heavy cream,1/2 & 1/2 or sweetened whipped cream. Ditto with fresh peaches too! I avoid sweets these days but fresh fruit,sugar and heavy cream?Come to Mama!

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                                                                                                                Kalivs RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 06:08 PM

                                                                                                                Even as a kid, I hated milk. I made up for it by consuming a lot of yoghurt & cheese.

                                                                                                                1. Ttrockwood RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 06:32 PM

                                                                                                                  Fresh homemade bread

                                                                                                                  I think for many whatever grandma/mom/elder of the family made during childhood has fond memories associated with it. My grandma's pies are legendary within my family, and mom's pumpkin rolls and german chocolate cake are favorites as well.

                                                                                                                  So, i guess add "grandma/mom food specialty" to the list.

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                                                                                                                    miss_belle RE: Ttrockwood Apr 3, 2014 07:12 PM

                                                                                                                    Fresh homemade bread should be first on the list.. With butter.
                                                                                                                    Ike to hear complaints about that:-)

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                                                                                                                      Perilagu Khan RE: miss_belle Apr 4, 2014 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                      Right. Well, anybody dislike or hate fresh, homemade bread?

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                                                                                                                        nothingswrong RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                        I'm dying to see someone say they hate it.

                                                                                                                        Last night, had fresh baked homemade French bread with butter for dinner. My dining companion set aside his spaghetti and meatballs to partake, and commented "I could just eat this, f*ck the pasta."

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                                                                                                                          westsidegal RE: nothingswrong Apr 4, 2014 02:13 PM

                                                                                                                          the fresh homemade bread that is served in my local italian restaurant is the primary reason it is on my regular rotation.

                                                                                                                          all the other food i may order there is simply garnish/condiment for the bread.. . .

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                                                                                                                        Ttrockwood RE: miss_belle Apr 4, 2014 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                        I'll take mine warm please, with some room temperature salted fancy european butter :)

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                                                                                                                      sedimental RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 3, 2014 07:12 PM

                                                                                                                      I would think pizza has few enemies. Maybe folks that could take it or leave it, but I have never actually met anyone that "hates" pizza.

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                                                                                                                        nothingswrong RE: sedimental Apr 3, 2014 11:27 PM

                                                                                                                        Me neither, but I've read people on Chow that "hate" it. Same folks that "hate" cheese...

                                                                                                                        1. re: nothingswrong
                                                                                                                          BuildingMyBento RE: nothingswrong Apr 3, 2014 11:43 PM

                                                                                                                          In China, I regularly spoke with people who hated bread and cheese. Not something they grew up with, and not something they've come to like.

                                                                                                                          I can't stand hot pot of any sort, and I'd never again want to be subjected to it.

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                                                                                                                            nothingswrong RE: BuildingMyBento Apr 4, 2014 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                            I can understand hating something you didn't grow up with, culturally even.

                                                                                                                            OP is talking about US food likes though. Cheese and bread are as American as anything.

                                                                                                                          2. re: nothingswrong
                                                                                                                            fldhkybnva RE: nothingswrong Apr 4, 2014 02:56 AM

                                                                                                                            I have two colleagues who both abhor cheese. The only two I've ever met but they hate it equally and strongly.

                                                                                                                            1. re: fldhkybnva
                                                                                                                              nothingswrong RE: fldhkybnva Apr 4, 2014 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                              Interesting, isn't it? There are so many cheeses and they're all so different. I'm not a fan of stinky cheeses--in fact, I'd say I do *hate* them--but comparing feta to string cheese to cottage cheese to blue cheese to some shredded cheddar? It seems strange to me, they're nothing alike.

                                                                                                                            2. re: nothingswrong
                                                                                                                              AlexRast RE: nothingswrong Apr 7, 2014 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                              In Italy, at least, pizza doesn't necessarily have cheese. Indeed, one of the classics of Naples, Pizza Marinara, doesn't. So that isn't a complete explanation.

                                                                                                                              Speaking of cheese, though, DETEST! cheesecake. But then again, I'm English. It could be an American thing.

                                                                                                                              Ones that I think ought to be on the list: Strawberry shortcake. Ice Cream. Shortbread.

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                                                                                                                                Veggo RE: AlexRast Apr 7, 2014 05:04 PM

                                                                                                                                The basic "tomato pie" at Pepe's in New Haven has no cheese. It's bagelman1's first choice, and he knows pizza.

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                                                                                                                                  Gastronomos RE: AlexRast Apr 7, 2014 05:45 PM

                                                                                                                                  Strawberry shortcake... no... sorry :-(

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                                                                                                                                    sandylc RE: AlexRast Apr 7, 2014 06:47 PM

                                                                                                                                    Cheesecake. YUM.

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                                                                                                                                      Perilagu Khan RE: AlexRast Apr 8, 2014 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                      I won't touch strawberries. They look like they could use a blast o' Clearasil.

                                                                                                                                  2. re: sedimental
                                                                                                                                    lagatta RE: sedimental Apr 5, 2014 07:31 AM

                                                                                                                                    That is also because there are so many varieties. I loathe peperoni pizza with the poor-quality "sausage". I tend to make or order it vegetarian, though I'm not a vegetarian.

                                                                                                                                    And yes, there are pizzas without cheese.

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                                                                                                                                      BuildingMyBento RE: lagatta Apr 5, 2014 07:35 PM

                                                                                                                                      Oh no...I had a "slice" WITH cheese and adzuki in Beijing at a place called Origus. No fun.

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                                                                                                                                    1. NonnieMuss RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                                      Baked Potato
                                                                                                                                      Peanut Butter
                                                                                                                                      Cinnamon Roll

                                                                                                                                      I would say mashed potatoes, but am married to a hater.

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                                                                                                                                        nothingswrong RE: NonnieMuss Apr 4, 2014 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                        I'd agree, but in last month's Baking thread, like 3 people spoke up and said they hate cinnamon rolls. Who'd'a thought?

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                                                                                                                                          Isolda RE: NonnieMuss Apr 5, 2014 02:30 PM

                                                                                                                                          Sorry, Nonnie, but I hate cinnamon rolls. I don't know why. I've made them myself for other people, but I didn't even like those. It's inexplicable, really. I like homemade bread, sugar, cinnamon and butter. I even like cinnamon toast. I guess there's just some unmagical chemistry with an actual cinnamon roll.

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                                                                                                                                            pine time RE: Isolda Apr 6, 2014 04:47 AM

                                                                                                                                            I always thought cinnamon was universally liked, too, until I met Mr. Pine. Now I make 1/2 pan of cinnamon rolls for me and 1/2 pan of cinnamon-less rolls for him. Le sigh.

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                                                                                                                                              Perilagu Khan RE: pine time Apr 6, 2014 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                              Cinnamon is powerful and distinctive enough that I'm not surprised some people dislike it. Personally, I love it.

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                                                                                                                                                nothingswrong RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 6, 2014 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                I guess so, but it's such a wonderful flavor that--despite being pungent--seems somewhat neutral to me. I often make "plain" cookies for sick friends and they love them. Just a regular brown sugar cookie dough sprinkled with cinnamon sugar.

                                                                                                                                                Pine time--what do you put in the cinnamon-less rolls for your hubby?? Just butter and sugar in the middle?

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                                                                                                                                                  pine time RE: nothingswrong Apr 7, 2014 05:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Yup, just butter & sugar, so I guess it's more a caramel or butterscotch roll for him (sometimes I use a combo of white & brown sugar). (I love cinnamon--have 4 different kinds in the spice drawer right now.)

                                                                                                                                                  We make all kinds of "-less" items: when I was vegetarian and he wasn't (for nearly 20 years), we had hot dog-less (tofu dogs with a Boca bits chili topping); he also doesn't like chocolate chips, so I make him chocolate chip-less cookies (basically a sugar cookie). Also sub Boca bits for ground beef, so make a shepherd-less pie, etc.

                                                                                                                                                  However, in making Indian food, I still add the cinnamon to the other spices, and he doesn't detect it as an individual flavor, however.

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                                                                                                                                                  sandylc RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 7, 2014 10:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I like cinnamon quite well, but I have noticed that some people overdo it (in my opinion). An apple pie that's brown with cinnamon is just wrong.

                                                                                                                                                  I grew up with cinnamon-less caramel rolls, because my mom was deathly allergic to cinnamon.

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                                                                                                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: sandylc Apr 7, 2014 11:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                    I take it Neil Young was not referring to your mom in his 1969 hit song Cinnamon Girl.

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                                                                                                                                              Bkeats RE: NonnieMuss Apr 7, 2014 06:58 AM

                                                                                                                                              I hate, loath and despise peanut butter. Love roasted peanuts, but when its ground up and turned into the pasty sticky nastiness? I can't even remember the last time I tasted it. I refuse to touch it.

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                                                                                                                                              Wawsanham RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 07:49 AM

                                                                                                                                              My mom was not a fan of pizza nor lasagna (any noodle dishes for that matter)--although hate would be a strong word, she disliked them.
                                                                                                                                              My mom and my grandmother were not fond of chocolate, though, again, hate would be a bit strong.
                                                                                                                                              I realize that they were statistical outliers in their tastes when it came to pizza, lasagna, chocolate.

                                                                                                                                              1. pinehurst RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 09:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                I'm rather shocked that chicken tenders aren't on the list.

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                                                                                                                                                  nothingswrong RE: pinehurst Apr 4, 2014 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Good call. I know quite a few people who hate fried chicken solely because of cartilage/bones, but adore chicken tenders/fingers from the deep fryer.

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                                                                                                                                                    Gastronomos RE: nothingswrong Apr 4, 2014 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Up here in the suburbs of NYC we don't have a fried chicken culture. KFC and some other like stuff, maybe.

                                                                                                                                                    Besides the latest hipster trend of fried chicken and waffles, I have noticed that on some menus there is a trend toward a label on a menu of "Southern Fried Chicken" or "Country Fried Chicken". I order it and get two small pieces of boneless skinless chicken breast. Sometimes marginally better than commercial chicken fingers found on the kids menu. Getting real chicken seems impossible. SIGH :-(

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                                                                                                                                                      nothingswrong RE: Gastronomos Apr 4, 2014 03:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Are chicken and waffles a new trend? Here in L.A., people have been lining around the block for Roscoe's for decades: http://roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/

                                                                                                                                                      I personally never felt satisfied after eating there--waaaayyy too much carbs/fat for one meal--but everything on its own was quite tasty and it was fun going once in a while growing up, or late on a Saturday night in college.

                                                                                                                                                2. JungMann RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 01:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Rice. 4.3 billion Asians can't be wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                    BuildingMyBento RE: JungMann Apr 4, 2014 10:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                    If Niigata supplied the rice no matter where I traveled to, that would be much better.

                                                                                                                                                    Not to mention, many times I've eaten out in China (and Indonesia), the rice I'm served was actually re-served. Maybe "fresh" rice is off of the secret menu...

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                                                                                                                                                      chartreauxx RE: BuildingMyBento Apr 6, 2014 08:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                      niigata?! pfft! akita girl here! :-)

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                                                                                                                                                      Teague RE: JungMann Apr 12, 2014 06:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I tend to dislike rice. Brown rice is okay, white rice I'd rather not eat usually - Unless it's arancini di riso, hey they're deep fried with cheese and ham inside!

                                                                                                                                                    3. ipsedixit RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 07:59 PM


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                                                                                                                                                        JungMann RE: ipsedixit Apr 4, 2014 09:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I thought I struck a chord in all my fellow Asian-Americans with my post! Maybe I should've written Fish-o-Filet: 1 billion Catholics can't be wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                          Shrinkrap RE: ipsedixit Apr 4, 2014 10:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I think you mean those marshmallow things.


                                                                                                                                                          I "hate" to use the word hate, but it's pretty close. Gah! NOT a fan of marshmellows either. And not a fan of people who say "not a fan" or "not my favorite" instead of "hated it!".

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                                                                                                                                                            mariacarmen RE: ipsedixit Apr 4, 2014 10:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                            oh, no. i hate. hate.
                                                                                                                                                            bad as those puffy peanut-shaped candy things.
                                                                                                                                                            bad as candy corn.
                                                                                                                                                            all equally hated, to me.
                                                                                                                                                            hate, i tell you.

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                                                                                                                                                              Gastronomos RE: mariacarmen Apr 5, 2014 04:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                              <<"bad as those puffy peanut-shaped candy things">>

                                                                                                                                                              they STILL make those?????

                                                                                                                                                              they'll stop making iconic classic good stuff that nostalgic people seek etc... but they won't pull this shit off the shelves?
                                                                                                                                                              I don't want to live on this planet anymore.......

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                                                                                                                                                                Isolda RE: Gastronomos Apr 5, 2014 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Yes, they do still make "circus peanuts." They taste like nail polish, but for some reason, I can eat them. Ditto for candy corn, but only at Halloween. And yet if you serve me a rich, homemade dessert that is too sweet, I'll gag. Lots of sugar combined with lots of fat is just gross to me but plain ol' sugar by itself is fine.

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                                                                                                                                                                  pine time RE: Isolda Apr 6, 2014 04:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  A friend somehow used to "age" his circus peanuts--let them/make them actually hard, nearly crunchy. He thought that was quite the gourmet treat. Blerg. And on that one, I WILL yuck a yum!

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                                                                                                                                                                    gaffk RE: pine time Apr 6, 2014 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I have a friend who adores "age" peeps. I never knew people ate them, even fresh. In my youth they were basically Easter basket decorations, not part of the candy to be eaten.

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                                                                                                                                                                      pine time RE: gaffk Apr 7, 2014 05:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      No joking, when I was a kid, I thought Peeps were sponges, just there for decoration.

                                                                                                                                                                      Now that I'm old, I think I was right.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: mariacarmen
                                                                                                                                                                Perilagu Khan RE: mariacarmen Apr 5, 2014 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Yes. It's really okay to hate something. Even some people. Really it is.

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                                                                                                                                                                  nothingswrong RE: mariacarmen Apr 5, 2014 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Amen sister.

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                                                                                                                                                                    cgarner RE: mariacarmen Apr 7, 2014 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Love 'aged' peeps AND fresh circus peanuts
                                                                                                                                                                    I also love Spearmint Leaves Candy and Chuckles
                                                                                                                                                                    (they're vestiges of my youth, and I'm glad that I actually still like them)

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                                                                                                                                                                      sandylc RE: cgarner Apr 7, 2014 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I didn't even like sugary candy as a kid. I would always take chocolate over colored, sugary crap.

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                                                                                                                                                                        mariacarmen RE: sandylc Apr 7, 2014 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        i'll take it one step further, I hated candy, cake, etc. as a child - potato chips were my treat. it's mostly still the same today.

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                                                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: mariacarmen Apr 7, 2014 12:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I understand! Although, I have always liked sweets, but I've always wanted them to be less sweet - yum...butter, vanilla, chocolate, nuts, etc. - this is what good sweets should taste like!

                                                                                                                                                                          Potato chips are indeed a great treat here, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                    Dirtywextraolives RE: ipsedixit Apr 12, 2014 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, I agree, peeps are pretty vile..... Of course, my healthy food hating sister loves them....big surprise .....

                                                                                                                                                                  3. Shrinkrap RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 4, 2014 09:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Not a fan of chocolate chip cookies or sweets without salt in general, but there is no bile involved. Milk, on the other hand, because of my association with my lactose intolerance does involve a bit of bile.

                                                                                                                                                                    Does anybody not like potato chips?

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                                                                                                                                                                      nothingswrong RE: Shrinkrap Apr 5, 2014 11:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Potato chips! Along the line of French fries. Best snacks ever, good call.

                                                                                                                                                                      P.S. "Not a fan of chocolate chip cookies or sweets without salt in general..."

                                                                                                                                                                      What CCCs have you had that have no salt? I've never made a cookie that didn't have salt in it...

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                                                                                                                                                                        Shrinkrap RE: nothingswrong Apr 5, 2014 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        I mean sort of featuring salt. Like "salted caramel", or topped with a sprinkle of salt. Or maybe with some salted nuts. I don't like sweets much in general, but I have been pounding down this brownies with a salty caramel filling from "Baker and Wolves" (or something like that) in the Mission.

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                                                                                                                                                                          nothingswrong RE: Shrinkrap Apr 5, 2014 08:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Oh, I see. That's funny; in one of the other recent threads, there was a whole discussion on peoples' hatred for salted desserts.

                                                                                                                                                                          But hey, we are lucky to live in a world with so many different amazing foods, and we're lucky to have the option to make our food as we see fit. Variety is the spice of life, as they say...

                                                                                                                                                                    2. chartreauxx RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 5, 2014 11:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      i despise chocolate chip cookies because i am allergic to chocolate, and i generally do not like lasagne. french fries i am particular about; if they're crunchy i love them, but steak fries make me gag, it's a texture thing. i hate that mealy potato inside, and the outside needs to be super crunchy. i usually hunt through my fries for the ones that were missed and fried twice, or kind of tiny and thus "overcooked".

                                                                                                                                                                      a food everyone loves? excluding those with allergies, never met someone who didn't like cherries or strawberries.

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                                                                                                                                                                        gaffk RE: chartreauxx Apr 6, 2014 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I hate strawberries. It's actually the only fruit I can think of that I just don't like.

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                                                                                                                                                                          coll RE: gaffk Apr 6, 2014 03:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I eat strawberries with caution, one time when I was a kid I ate them and turned bright red. Like a strawberry! Only happened that once, so I don't avoid them but I also don't crave them.

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                                                                                                                                                                            gaffk RE: coll Apr 6, 2014 04:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            I wonder if I had a similar, now blocked experience. I remember when I was younger I'd tell people I was allergic to them. Couldn't have been much of an allergy though: they were a favorite fruit in the family (indeed dad's absolute favorite) and we'd go to a local farm and pick them several times a season. Maybe I was just being a contrarian?

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                                                                                                                                                                            Dirtywextraolives RE: gaffk Apr 12, 2014 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            My sister does too. We used to bug each other, for birthday cakes she'd order chocolate, which I detested going up, and I'd order strawberry cake with strawberry icing..... Ah, sibling love....!

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                                                                                                                                                                              gaffk RE: Dirtywextraolives Apr 12, 2014 04:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe that's why growing up our birthday cakes were always chocolate chip pound from the local bakery. Odd now that I think of it, as mom baked cakes fairly regularly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Dirtywextraolives RE: gaffk Apr 12, 2014 04:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Hahaha, smart Mom!

                                                                                                                                                                        2. Bryan Pepperseed RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 6, 2014 04:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Shrinkrap beat me to potato chips, so how about cheese puffs?

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                                                                                                                                                                            Perilagu Khan RE: Bryan Pepperseed Apr 6, 2014 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            So far I've seen no objections to French fries, pertata chips and homemade bread. Rice, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                              nothingswrong RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 6, 2014 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              This is what I eat on a daily basis with my stomach issues. Lol.

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                                                                                                                                                                                sandylc RE: nothingswrong Apr 6, 2014 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Stomach, intestines, or both?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  nothingswrong RE: sandylc Apr 6, 2014 05:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Both. Stomach's the bigger problem though. I'm on a permanent modified BRAT diet. Modified by no applesauce or bananas. It's rice, bread, potatoes all the time.

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                                                                                                                                                                              nothingswrong RE: Bryan Pepperseed Apr 6, 2014 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              When I was 18 and trying to live on my own for the first time, I once thought it was a great idea to have a GIANT "Family Size" bag of cheese puffs and a Cherry Pepsi for dinner. And indeed, it was delicious.

                                                                                                                                                                              I woke up in the middle of the night sick as a dog. All that cheesy goodness felt like it had puffed back up and expanded in my little stomach.

                                                                                                                                                                              I still enjoy them though. Just not to excess.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Shrinkrap RE: Bryan Pepperseed Apr 6, 2014 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Does that include hot cheetos? Not a fan, but one of the kids I see in foster care could totally connect with me on that. Her "knew to her" dad told her "no more Cheetos, because they cause cancer." My mom HATED shoes on the bed, and grease on important papers.

                                                                                                                                                                                We went over the stains on the paperwork, and the nutritional info on the package. She was amazed that I might go there but I couldn't lie; potato chips yes, but not hot cheetos.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Bryan Pepperseed RE: Shrinkrap Apr 7, 2014 05:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Not a huge fan either. Never spend my own money on them, but if there's a bowl of em in front of me I'll almost always have a few.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Dirtywextraolives RE: Bryan Pepperseed Apr 12, 2014 04:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE POTATO CHIPS OR CHEESEPUFFS?????? What kind of sad childhood did you have, anyway??

                                                                                                                                                                                  Just teasing.... But salty, crunchy greasy....it's all good to me, lol!

                                                                                                                                                                                3. ttoommyy RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 6, 2014 06:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Not a fan of chocolate chip cookies at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Dirtywextraolives RE: ttoommyy Apr 12, 2014 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Okay, you're weird..... J/K...!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      ttoommyy RE: Dirtywextraolives Apr 12, 2014 04:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Not the first time I've been called weird... and thank you!

                                                                                                                                                                                      I just am not a fan. The chocolate chips part is fine; I just don't like the cookie part.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        mariacarmen RE: ttoommyy Apr 13, 2014 07:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        i agree. i find them boring. i'll try them, if they're in front of me, but never buy. and if i baked, never would make either.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          ttoommyy RE: mariacarmen Apr 14, 2014 03:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I DO bake and never make them! Glad to see there is at least one other person who doesn't like them. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                          And on that note, something else thst seems to be universally loved thsa I cannot stand are cookies fresh from the oven. Cookies need time to continue cooking once out of the oven, cool and set. The flavor is not fully developed straight from the oven.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: ttoommyy Apr 14, 2014 05:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            And crisp up!

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. tcamp RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 7, 2014 06:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Aside from peeps, there is nothing listed so far that I hate. Don't eat anymore, yes. Hate, no.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd like to add pho to the list. Judging by the demographics of the average pho joint in my area, it has fans of all shapes, sizes, and colors.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Perilagu Khan RE: tcamp Apr 7, 2014 08:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I won't do fish sauce. And the pho I've had, I have not liked. Won't eat it again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        mariacarmen RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 7, 2014 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        another amazing thing about you, PK!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Shrinkrap RE: tcamp Apr 7, 2014 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I LOVE a good bowl, but I also love freaking out my office mates and husband with talk of tendons and other bits they can't identify. Maybe tripe?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Bkeats RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 7, 2014 07:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Cold Beer

                                                                                                                                                                                        Offal - JK

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                                                                                                                                                                                          coll RE: Bkeats Apr 7, 2014 07:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Ha I hate water, unless it's carbonated or has lemon in it. A little quirk of mine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            mcf RE: coll Apr 7, 2014 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm the same way.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: coll Apr 7, 2014 10:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I have met a few people who don't like water - big head-scratcher for me - !

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                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf RE: sandylc Apr 7, 2014 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't *hate* it so much as I don't choose to drink it and I really need to drink, so am always well supplied with bubbly stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Ice cold with a slice of frozen lemon or lime makes it tolerable. If I'm on a hike or paddling, I have no problem drinking some bottled water, but under any other circumstance, I just don't/won't.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  ttoommyy RE: sandylc Apr 7, 2014 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I drink water but I cannot say I "like" it. I tolerate it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  sandylc RE: coll Apr 7, 2014 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ha, to the water-haters:

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Will you consume water if someone buries it with other ingredients? Sort of like the moms who grind up carrots in their spaghetti sauce....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    coll RE: sandylc Apr 7, 2014 11:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not pure hatred, just boring to drink straight.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Teague RE: coll Apr 10, 2014 11:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    this is interesting. It has never occurred to me that a person would hate water, it seems so basic to me. Not really even like a food type item, certainly not something you would like or dislike. I guess I have always thought of water as this non-food fuel type substance which your body needs and you just take in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen RE: Teague Apr 11, 2014 03:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      for the first, i'd say, 40 or so years of my life, I hated water. hated the taste of it. I drank orange juice primarily. then came diet coke. then I started drinking bottled water, because you know, it's good for you, and orange juice has all those empty cals., and then I moved on to tap water, refrigerated. I grew to like the taste of it drinking it cold. now I've given up diet coke entirely (2-1/2 months - whoo-whoo!) and drink mostly sparkling water. but yeah, I was a water hater.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Veggo RE: mariacarmen Apr 11, 2014 03:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        MC, to dislike water is akin to disliking air. Both are neutral, and essential to life.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: Veggo Apr 11, 2014 04:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Succinctly put.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            mariacarmen RE: Veggo Apr 11, 2014 10:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            not at all. i had plenty of fluids - in my food, in my juice.... i did not like water. at all. i like air just fine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            linguafood RE: mariacarmen Apr 12, 2014 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            How about bubbly? I prefer it over still, but I love both.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                              mariacarmen RE: linguafood Apr 12, 2014 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              yep, like i said, i drink mostly sparkly water now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                AlexRast RE: linguafood Apr 12, 2014 02:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Detest sparkling water. It always tastes metallic to me, you can't drink as much, it isn't as refreshing, and it's not really suitable after intense activity. But love still.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Can anyone articulate what it is that they prefer if they like sparkling better? Of course sparkling tends to prevail in preference on the Continent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ttoommyy RE: AlexRast Apr 12, 2014 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I prefer the mouthfeel of sparkling.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Shrinkrap RE: ttoommyy Apr 12, 2014 07:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It burns! It BURNS!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Didn't grow up with soda.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ttoommyy RE: Shrinkrap Apr 13, 2014 05:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK, Regan! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dirtywextraolives RE: AlexRast Apr 12, 2014 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I think it's quite refreshing....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      linguafood RE: AlexRast Apr 12, 2014 09:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hm. I honestly don't get any "metallic" flavor from the filtered chilled faucet water we bubble up in our sodastream, but I enjoy Gerolsteiner mineral water for its flavor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I love water either way, but for some reason find bubbly water more thirst-quenching -- it's counter-productive, I know. I guess it's just a habit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        fldhkybnva RE: linguafood Apr 13, 2014 02:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I also find the bubbles to be more satisfying. Soda stream is on my wish list because I love sparkling water.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ttoommyy RE: linguafood Apr 13, 2014 05:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I like very mild, naturally sparkling water. The sodastream or seltzer type, not really. Too fizzy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          coll RE: AlexRast Apr 13, 2014 03:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Most of the sparkling spring waters have strong mineral flavors and actually upset my stomach at times. Perrier is my favorite since they appeared on the market, I'm so glad I can get cases of individual bottles now. Very clean taste.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mariacarmen RE: AlexRast Apr 13, 2014 07:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i actually find it more refreshing - party in my mouth!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        coll RE: Teague Apr 11, 2014 03:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Unfortunately I never get thirsty. So I don't always think of having to drink anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OK let me edit that. About once a year I get a terrific thirst, usually when I wake up, and the only thing that will satisfy me is lemonade. When I crave lemonade then I know I am dehydrated.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sandylc RE: coll Apr 11, 2014 03:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have read that when thirst is denied for a period of (years?), the ability to sense thirst is lost. This supposedly is why many elders have no thirst mechanism and become dehydrated easily.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            nothingswrong RE: sandylc Apr 11, 2014 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is interesting. I wonder if that's true. Due to my stomach condition, I am hydrated with an IV at home (with a saline and/or dextrose drip). So I do not "need" to drink water at all, which is good because I'm a water-disliker (not hater) as well. I lost the normal thirst mechanism a long time ago and suffer from chronic dehydration, even with the IV, since I can only tell I'm thirsty once I'm already so dehydrated I'm ready to pass out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Like Coll, I will strongly crave lemonade when I'm thirsty, but never ever water. Very often, if I get a whiff of a fresh lemon being sliced or zested, the urge comes on. It is like a sudden and overpowering, all-consuming need for fluids. I'm very partial to making lemon granita and keeping it in the freezer in the summer. It is far and away the most refreshing snack/dessert/whatever in existence.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Veggo RE: sandylc Apr 11, 2014 04:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bleeding invokes thirst. There is a catalyst near the forehead. For the human body to replenish blood it requires water.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sandylc RE: Veggo Apr 11, 2014 04:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                How true. The lab techs could never find any blood in my mother. She was terribly dehydrated and nothing I did could convince her to drink more water. We had to go back 2-3 times each time she had blood work done, with me almost forcing her to drink water until she plumped up her veins enough.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ErnieD RE: sandylc Apr 12, 2014 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thirst goes down as a matter of course with age, by my understanding. This was taught to me in school and my anecdotal experience confirms it. At least once a month I try discuss hydration with someone and get told "I'm hydrated, I drink one of these [4-oz mini bottles] each day." In an area where temps are in there triple digits for a big chunk of the year. It really helps to build the water habit early. I love water, but in the summer when I'm exercising outside and need liters and liters, I get a little burnt out but it seems to help to flavor it with lemon, lime, melon, etc. some of the time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sandylc RE: Teague Apr 11, 2014 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think good, clean, water is refreshing and delightful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gastronomos RE: sandylc Apr 11, 2014 04:59 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Teague RE: coll Apr 12, 2014 06:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe i like water because growing up, our water came from a deep well pulling it off a limestone pan. Best water ever, came up very cold even in the summer. My water now is just city tap water and it's ok but not anything special. I still drink a lot of it though. With ice now mostly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                brilynn79 RE: Teague Apr 13, 2014 02:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I grew up with well water that smelled like rotten eggs...probably why I hate water. I will choose to dehydrate myself instead of drinking water when I go on a health binge and try to cut out the coke. I wish I was one of those people who liked water. Sparkling water tastes bitter to me even if I put a little fruit into it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  coll RE: brilynn79 Apr 13, 2014 03:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I grew up in one of the first places to put fluoride in the tap water, and my grandmother (one of the original health nuts) warned us we were drinking rat poison. So I can see where I don't relish the thought of tap water.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And years later, in the 1980s, my father was part of an investigation team looking at NY/NJ groundwater pollution and warned me to stick to bottled water as much as possible after what they found.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not hard to psycholanalyze my disdain for water, now that I think about it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gastronomos RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 04:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree 100% coll.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    could you visit one of these locations?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      coll RE: Gastronomos Apr 13, 2014 04:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks but I have my own way of detoxing ;-) But you know as well as I, living on Long Island, you DO have to be keep the facts in mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had the most delicious (yes, I said delicious) water in my life at my BILs cabin in Wyoming, straight from the source. I thought it odd when he encouraged me to cup my hands and taste it, but I am so glad I did. A forgotten memory, wow, that was eye opening for a water "hater" like me!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 05:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Giardia is getting more and more common in "wilderness" water. It's recommended that it all be purified today.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          fldhkybnva RE: c oliver Apr 13, 2014 05:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My favorite pet picked up Giardia from yummy city water.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver RE: fldhkybnva Apr 13, 2014 05:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Our daughter got it a couple of years ago when they were backpacking and climbing in the central Sierra Nevada mountains. She purified their water but it 'sneaked' through anyway. I worked in parasitology at CDC back in the 60s and it was far less common then.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Gastronomos RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I know. I just thought it might be worth a 30 minute visit to a location. I don't do ionized water for detox purposes, but alkaline water does do that, if that is what someone is after.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Best 30 minutes I spent in a store....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            coll RE: Gastronomos Apr 13, 2014 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind ;-) None out this way though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do drink/squeeze a lot of fresh lemon for what it's worth, hopefully that's a good head start.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Gastronomos RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 03:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              it is. lemon juice does wonders.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nothingswrong RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 09:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My father always has said he's the only one in the family with good, strong teeth because he will ONLY drink the fluoride tap water. My siblings and I all grew up on bottled water and we all have weak enamel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When I moved to the neighborhood of L.A. I'm currently in 5 years ago, I remember receiving an annual water report in the mail. One look at that thing and I was scared to even brush my teeth with the tap water for a few days. They found over 200 prescription medications in the water here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          suzigirl RE: nothingswrong Apr 13, 2014 04:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          All that medication in the water disturbs me greatly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Dirtywextraolives RE: nothingswrong Apr 13, 2014 07:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Get a carbon block filter from Multi Pure. Best investment we ever made and our tap water is delicious, I prefer it over any bottled water out there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Perilagu Khan RE: Bkeats Apr 7, 2014 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I submit that there is a meatball out there for everybody.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      tcamp RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 7, 2014 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Perilagu Khan RE: tcamp Apr 7, 2014 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Khantessa and I have at least 10 meatball dishes in our regular repertoire including Tunisian and Armenian meatball soups.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dirtywextraolives RE: Bkeats Apr 12, 2014 04:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As I kid I wouldn't eat either meatballs or meatloaf..... Now I wish I could make them once a week! Must have been my mom's recipes, LOL! Glad she isn't on Chowhound!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        YAYME RE: Bkeats Apr 13, 2014 05:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I dislike water maybe because I grew up in a place where the water tasted funny or maybe I just dislike that it doesn't taste like anything.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nothingswrong RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 7, 2014 11:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was thinking about this earlier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What about:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -Whipped Cream
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -Ice cream (any flavor)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I can see people being ambivalent, but not *hating* most of these?? I'm lactose intolerant, but would eat the last 3 on an hourly basis if I could.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          gaffk RE: nothingswrong Apr 8, 2014 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Good list. I don't know anyone who would object to any of those foods. And I'm good friends with all of them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ttoommyy RE: nothingswrong Apr 8, 2014 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can definitely see a lot of people "hating" whipped cream: the people who have a severe dislike/aversion/fear of milk. And there are many of them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Rilke RE: ttoommyy Apr 8, 2014 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I like milk, but I've never been a fan of whipped cream. The made-from-scratch stuff can be really excellent, but it's unfortunately uncommon. The stuff from the can, blech.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sandylc RE: Rilke Apr 8, 2014 11:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As far as I (and many others!) are concerned, the scratch-made whipped cream is the only real one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  nothingswrong RE: Rilke Apr 8, 2014 12:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was referring to the real stuff, as sandylc said. I do have to avoid dairy most of the time, but I can't pass by a bowl of freshly whipped cream without taking a spoonful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mix in a little powdered sugar and vanilla during beating, and I will intentionally make myself ill. It's just *so* good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    suzigirl RE: nothingswrong Apr 8, 2014 07:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I love the taste of whipped cream very much,(the real stuff) but like most things I dislike, I can't appreciate the texture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      nothingswrong RE: suzigirl Apr 8, 2014 08:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But it's like a pillow of deliciousness in your mouth!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have textural aversions, I guess I understand. Whipped cream just seems so harmless though because it kind of melts/absorbs into what you eat it with. Like a dollop on top of a warm apple crisp. Or a white/sponge/short cake with strawberries. Everything just kind of melds together and I don't notice the texture of the cream at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ETA: Textures that kill me are things like thick cheesecake. Blech.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        suzigirl RE: nothingswrong Apr 10, 2014 06:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Can't get past that fluffy texture. EWWW.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                biondanonima RE: nothingswrong Apr 13, 2014 03:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I like pancakes well enough but not waffles. They're too dry, or something - not really sure what it is I don't like about them. Maybe I just haven't had any good ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for butter, it's one of my favorite things on earth, but my mother hates it. HATES. I can't even comprehend this.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  pedalfaster RE: biondanonima Apr 13, 2014 04:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought I was the only human on the planet who felt that way about waffles.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think for me it's just that they don't live up to the hype. They sound sooooo good on that menu. The first bite is pretty good. By the third I remember why I gave away my waffle maker years ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    coll RE: pedalfaster Apr 13, 2014 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's the crispiness, if they're made right.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      pedalfaster RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 04:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm also thinking it could be the butter-to-waffle ratio.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If I try them again, I'll ask for butter, melted, in a ramekin on the side.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Waiters hate me! But I tip well...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nothingswrong RE: pedalfaster Apr 13, 2014 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes. They have to be GOOD waffles. I love waffles with a passion, but I've had waffles numerous times that are so bad (in restaurants), I'll stop eating after a few bites.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lots of butter on top + liberal maple syrup. Mmmm...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          coll RE: nothingswrong Apr 13, 2014 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          To me, the maple syrup is key. Without it, you have nothing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            nothingswrong RE: coll Apr 13, 2014 06:28 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    nothingswrong RE: biondanonima Apr 13, 2014 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's interesting. What does she hate about butter??

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I never had butter on its own (I'd of course had it in baked goods) until I was a teenager. I grew up on margarine, and we called it butter, so I never really thought about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The first time I really tasted butter was in boarding school; I remember spreading it on my breakfast toast and going "What the hell kind of butter is this?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It was just the shock of it all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Butter is essential to so many dishes. I can't fathom *hating* it. It's not the kind of thing you eat by the spoonful, though I guess I can't stand mayonnaise and that's usually used in moderation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. tseptember RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 8, 2014 10:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can handle oatmeal chocolate chip cookies... But.. with raisins!! Ahhhh!!! It reminds me of ticks! Can't handle it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tcamp RE: tseptember Apr 9, 2014 06:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ticks...very interesting. Do all plumped raisins have that effect on you or just in oatmeal cookies?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      pedalfaster RE: tseptember Apr 13, 2014 04:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Another "no raisins in oatmeal cookies" person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think it's a texture thing. I'll eat raisins in other things ( e.g. cinnamon rolls) but not oatmeal cookies. The contrast is just too weird.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sandylc RE: pedalfaster Apr 13, 2014 04:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I like raisins well enough, but I really don't like them in baked goods very much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perilagu Khan RE: pedalfaster Apr 14, 2014 08:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't take to raisins in any application.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. chowser RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 8, 2014 04:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        IKEA meatballs, potential horsemeat and all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nacho cheese Doritos

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          gaffk RE: chowser Apr 8, 2014 05:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          IKEA meatballs: Never had (actually, I've never been in an Ikea)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cheetos: An affirmed enemy (though I love Utz cheese puffs)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nacho cheese Doritos: They're OK
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Funyons: A big ally, but I know many people who can't stand them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Rilke RE: chowser Apr 9, 2014 05:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nope, can't stand Funyons or the IKEA meatballs. Especially Funyons.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser RE: Rilke Apr 9, 2014 06:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I can't remember the last time I had funyons. I threw them in to see what type of response it would get.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rilke RE: chowser Apr 9, 2014 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hahaha nice :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sandylc RE: Rilke Apr 9, 2014 09:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't think I've ever had Funyons. They aren't very appealing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Perilagu Khan RE: sandylc Apr 9, 2014 10:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But they are delish. Were it not for the high sodium content, I'd be all over them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                NonnieMuss RE: chowser Apr 10, 2014 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Down with Doritos! I can't even be in the same room with them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              4. mrsfury RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 8, 2014 05:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I never liked cheesecake until I tried one made in a local grocery's bakery (Dorignac's). The fancy bakery nearby (Maurice's) would sell them for $60 and I could not stand them. Then I got one from Dorignac's for $15. It was light and fluffy and I learned to love cheesecake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. chartreauxx RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 8, 2014 08:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i say sandwiches. hot, cold, toasted, grilled, kosher, halal, vegetarian, vegan, gluten-free, soy-free, nut-free; open-faced, regular, wrap, breakfast, lunch, dinner, snack, kid, adult, any cuisine, any components, any combination of flavors. from an american club sandwich, to a vietnamese bahn mi, to a french sandwich en baguette, to a japanese yakisoba pan, a mexican torta and more, i can't think of a society that hasn't embraced the sandwich and made it something of its own in some way. i may be wrong or overlooking something, but i feel (similar to pizza) that the sandwich is a food almost anyone can get behind (allowing for OP's exclusion of health or moral reasons for disliking a food).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Shrinkrap RE: chartreauxx Apr 8, 2014 10:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As long as there is no "bread"......smile.....no hatred or bile, but bread usually feels like a waste of space in my stomach. But there are a few exceptions. A croissant for example, and the occassional ciabatta. And the new Vietnanese place in my town with the bahn mi. What's up with that? Not the usual bahn mi bread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But I DO like the innards!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      harryharry RE: Shrinkrap Apr 9, 2014 05:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      that sounds like bread offal

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        chartreauxx RE: Shrinkrap Apr 9, 2014 06:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        and still, some sandwiches pass muster! see? nobody hates the sandwich writ large! ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dirtywextraolives RE: Perilagu Khan Apr 12, 2014 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Believe it or not, I know of a few kids in my sons' school that detest pizza. Weirdos.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        FriedClamFanatic RE: Dirtywextraolives Apr 12, 2014 01:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        While way too old to be one of your sons friends........I was one of those kids back when.....and far from being an outcast

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Dirtywextraolives RE: FriedClamFanatic Apr 12, 2014 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My remarks that they are weirdos was a lame attempt at sarcasm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's just a little unusual to find kids who won't eat pizza. And this is LA, where we make pizza out of everything you can think of, so just because you won't eat sauce & cheese, there are millions of variations that could be made that should strike their fancy....unless of course they just don't like the dough....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shrinkrap RE: Dirtywextraolives Apr 12, 2014 07:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When I was a kid, I had a friend who wouldn't' eat pizza....unless you pulled off and discarded the cheese!

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