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How often do you drink alcoholic drinks?

I drink almost every day...one to 3 glasses of wine mostly though in summer, I drink beers as well. I feel like I am an alcholic sometimes as I find myself craving it...both with or without food. I am about 125 lbs 5'3'' which means, according to some magazine or news articles i've read, i am drinking way too much than recommended.
How much do you drink and how often?

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  1. Wine daily....red, white...whatever's accommodating to the weather...and the food I'm cooking.
    I don't drink beer.
    I may have a cocktail or 2 if I'm out on the town, but usually I'll just have more wine with dinner.

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    1. re: Novelli

      how much wine do you drink daily when you are home?

      1. re: Monica

        On average, I'd say about 2-3 glasses.

    2. I have a glass of wine with dinner once or twice a week and very occasionally will have a mixed drink when I'm eating out.

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      1. re: marcyfitz

        That's very much like my H and me. We're both big people (me, 5'11 and currently 189, H, a bit over 6' and 250) but watch our carbs, and H is on blood thinners. Friday night, I made chicken cacciatore and we each had a glass of dry red. We'll finish the bottle with our meal tonight. OTOH, my H's parents had pre-dinner cocktails (MIL scotch and water, FIL, a martini) every weeknight. I don't judge. It's all about how your body (and you) function.

        1. I drink everyday. A bottle wine five days a week with three beers spread over five hours. Or it will just be beers on the other days. No hard alcohol.

          1. Maybe a cocktail once a year.

            1. I could almost have written this post myself . . . 1-2 glasses of wine pretty much every day, occasionally a third; beer rarely (usually only when I'd really like a drink and there's no drinkable wine available); and hard alcohol almost never (not for any health reasons - I lost my taste for it a number of years ago). You and I are very close in size, and I also sometimes worry that I'm drinking "too much." So a couple times a year I will abstain for a few weeks just to assure myself that I can. Then I go back to my old habits . . .

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              1. re: cookie monster

                we should both go and check our liver.

                1. re: Monica

                  Ha. I had a physical in January and the liver tests were all fine . .

                  1. re: Monica

                    Check your pancreas. Drinking too much can cause pancreatitis. I was under a lot of stress last year. Both retired and together more than we have been in years. Drove 6,000 miles between out mothers (90 & 92) and helping with clearing my mom's house in Atlanta. Losing one of my poodles, she waited until we got home to die the next day. I ended up in the hospital with it. After 2-3 weeks with no alcohol it straightened out.I'm pretty petite 114 lbs. 5'2". So it is easy to get too much and say goodnight.

                    Looks like we will be having a similar summer this year but with a house hunting trip to Savannah instead of having to go to Atlanta. We are going to be kinder to ourselves and space the trips out better.

                2. Wine with dinner every day (unless I've been to a pub earlier). 2 glasses of wine, sometimes a little shot of nice port as well. No booze, no cocktails.

                  Beer also every day, usually 2, more in summer. Beer is my expensive hobby!

                  I also drink lots of water and excercise every day :D

                  1. I rarely drink at home, when I go out it's more of a mood thing, sometimes I'll have a drink or two or three, other times, I just may not have a taste for it. I do, however, have a fully stocked wine fridge as well as a large selection of spirits and beer - for guests.

                    Drinking for me was more of a 20's-30's thing, now that I'm older it just doesn't appeal to me.

                    My wife is pretty much the same way, so it makes things very easy at home, although she generally has a couple of drinks with dinner when ever we go out.

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                    1. re: ferret

                      I'd love to be your guest and clean out your wine fridge.

                      1. re: Monica

                        More dedicated drinkers than you have tried.

                    2. While I have these braces on my teeth, every damn day pretty much. Either a couple glasses of wine or a mixed drink or chocolate espresso martini.

                      1. More than you, and I'm 27 lbs lighter. Nothing wrong with my liver last time I checked, but I'll keep you posted if you want - I can be your canary in the coal mine.

                        1. Whenever I feel like it and as much as I want. It could be little to none, or it could be a lot. Sometimes it tastes good; sometimes it doesn't. Mostly, I drink water. Just not as dedicated these days.

                          1. It really depends on my mood. There are nights where I just don't feel like wine or scotch (my usual poisons of choice), and just "drinking for the sake of drinking" ain't really my thang -- so I don't.

                            Funnily, those nights tend to follow nights where I was *very much so* in the mood.... so there might be a connection '-D

                            I'd say on average we drink maybe 4-5 nights out of the week. More so when we have friends over or go out.

                            We don't drink alcohol with dinner at home, but might share a bottle or two afterwards.

                            At a recent dinner with a fellow CH and her hubster, we managed to polish off 5 bottles of wine between the 4 of us. That was quite impressive, but also not totally unusual. And we got a nightcap afterwards, which we both felt was entirely unnecessary. After we had ordered it.

                            Poker games? All bets are off. If you're up till 3 or 4 AM, you'll be drinking more than if you go to bed at midnight.

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                            1. re: linguafood

                              Scotch and wine. A little scotch, a lot of soda. A crisp white Bordeaux or fume blanc over a tall glass of ice when cooking. One or two of either, and it's back to water.

                              1. re: flavrmeistr

                                I take mine on the rock. Or neat. Soda on the side, please.

                                And never any ice in my wine, unless it's plonk. And then I'd actually prefer water :-)

                                1. re: linguafood

                                  Scotch neat, or with a cube of ice if it's peaty/unusually high alcohol.

                                  Ice in wine? Horrifying. Unless it's sangria.

                                  1. re: linguafood

                                    Ice won't fix plonk and straight liquor is too hard on the tripes. Pretty much gave up on beer because it makes me feel rough. I'm trying to make it to retirement. So far, so good.

                              2. Disregard the magazines - you're doing just fine.

                                I'm good for a glass or two of wine a day during the week. On weekends I'll split a bottle of wine over dinner. Watching baseball or football I'll have two or three beers over a 3 hour game.

                                I drink more often now than in the past but my total consumption is down.

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                                1. re: Bob Martinez

                                  "Disregard the magazines "

                                  Had to give you a "recommend" for this.

                                  I picture those magazine writers as mousy 30-something single women, writing in small beige apartments. They pour the required 4oz of red into a measuring cup, pinch their noses, and swallow the wine like medicine.

                                  Sorry, but that's not how ~most~ of us drink wine.

                                  I ~average~ one glass of wine per day. That may mean I drink NO wine for days at a time. Then I have two glasses on a Friday pizza night. I attend a party Saturday...and have 2 more. Perhaps I cook on Sunday and have another glass of wine while stirring the soup...

                                  Technically, I suppose, this makes me a "binge drinker". But I'd guess that it is a pretty common pattern.

                                  1. re: pedalfaster

                                    Haha! Loved that about the mousy 30 something single women magazine writers. :)

                                    I drink when we go out, usually on the weekends. I'll have a couple margaritas and I'm happy.

                                    Wine with dinner occasionally. My husband isn't a wine with dinner type person so I'm usually the only one drinking it. It's not as much fun that way.

                                    1. re: pedalfaster

                                      I guess I'd rather hurt my liver a little than live in a beige apartment. I do have cats, though. Uh oh.

                                  2. Usually 1-2 in the evening, maybe an extra on weekends. And some days, none at all. My liver function looks fine in bloodwork, so I don't think that much about it.

                                    1. Two small glasses of white wine and two of red every evening. I'm 5'4 and weigh about 106. Liver tests normal.
                                      I think there is a genetic component involved in how much one can safely drink.

                                      1. Daily. We drink wine and scotch. Occasionally some sort of mixed drink. Gin and Tonic with Fever Tree Tonic is the best. Dark and Stormy with Fever Tree Ginger Beer that stuff is amazing and can serve as a Mocktail all by itself. Derby Day is coming up soon so Mint Juleps will be the order of the day. How much? I don't really know it varies.

                                        1. PS: Many of our friends like to drink, too, and it can get quite... jolly at times. We joke about calling ourselves drunks -- we're not alcoholics, alcoholics go to meetings.

                                          But as long as everyone's happy and they're not using it as medication, it's all good.

                                          There is no room for mean drunks in our circle. Neither for judgmental people.

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                                          1. re: linguafood

                                            Life is meant to be fun not a drudge! Surround yourself with like minded individuals and let the good times roll!!!!

                                          2. I just told my 92 year old grandfather about this question. He's had 2-3 beers a day, every day, since he was 16. His bloodwork always looks good.

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                                            1. re: alliegator

                                              Can you ask your grandmother too?

                                              1. re: Monica

                                                My grandmother's no longer around, and alcohol had nothing to do with her passing. I'd say she probably averaged a beer a day.

                                                The easy way to quell any worries is to get a physical and have blood work. I think it's natural that those of us who are drawn to good food will also seek out good drink.

                                              2. re: alliegator

                                                My late 5'4" Asian FIL lived to be around 101 years old. He had a few shots of expensive whiskey every day, he chewed tobacco, gambled wisely, ate only healthy fresh/organic/foraged/hunted/wild caught foods (minimal amounts) and worked like a 25 year old until the day he dropped. He never had a cavity and he was ill only one time when he was in his early 70's. Oh how I miss that wonderful tough little man:)

                                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                    You sound like the *piece of work* old girl:) He was a very good human being.

                                                    1. re: MamasCooking

                                                      i think, knowing PK here, that he meant that in the very best way possible.

                                                      your ex-FIL sounds like the person we'd all love to be, or be with.

                                                  2. re: MamasCooking

                                                    I hope that one day, I can be the chick version of this wonderful guy!

                                                1. Wine everyday. Red in winter, white in summer. Usually 2-3 glasses but sometimes more on weekends.

                                                  1. Infrequently. Maybe 15 alcoholic beverages a month? Rarely more than one on any given day. When I do drink it's beer, wine (only at home) or the occasional gin based cocktail.

                                                    1. I'd drink more frequently than I do if I weren't always watching my weight. It also affects my sleep, especially wine. Even so, I probably have a dram or two of Scotch 2-3 nights a week, and a couple of glasses of wine with dinner once a week. I'm a big person (6'0, 185ish) but my alcohol tolerance is rather low - 2 glasses of wine gets me pleasantly tipsy unless I have a LOT of food with it and stretch it out.

                                                      1. IMO, if you wonder if you are drinking too much, you ARE.
                                                        Which doesn't mean that if you don't think you're an alcoholic, you're not. My best friend was a functioning alcoholic who died at just 66, though in unexplained circumstances and without an autopsy, so whether or not the drinking was a cause is unknown. She never acknowledged her alcoholism nor was she interested in decreasing either her drinking or smoking.

                                                        I average a small pour of white wine 2-3 times a month. I take a blood-thinner, so I only have a glass of wine if I've been having a lot of liver or dark, leafy greens (both decrease the effect of the blood-thinner, while alcohol increases it).

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                                                        1. re: greygarious

                                                          It depends on how you personally define "alcoholic".

                                                          Looking at this thread and the many replies that seem to be fairly congruent with the OP's alcohol intake, IYO the majority of the posters here are "functioning alcoholics".

                                                          Someone who has a substance dependency (functional or not) is generally not capable of making the conscious decision whether they imbibe or not.

                                                          For most people here, it is a clear choice whether they *feel* like drinking any given night or not.


                                                        2. I'm about the same size and generally have either a beer or 1-2 glasses of wine each day. Mostly with food but also sometimes just while watching tv/surfing internet.

                                                          Occasionally I go for a month or 2 barely drinking anything but I soon get back to my daily habits - I also feel like I crave less junk/desserts when I have my daily wine.

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                                                          1. re: Fromageball

                                                            yeah, I too like having a glass of wine when watching tv/surfing internet...it definitely lowers my craving for sweets.

                                                          2. Aside from 2 cups of coffee most mornings, and the occasional evening cocktail, my only beverages are water and wine. Water is a constant all day and at night, wine is for before, during and after dinner, usually about four glasses (= 1 bottle), 2 of white and two of red. Once in a while I'll have some beer, but my tendency towards gout makes me cautious there.

                                                            Yes, I know that here in the US averaging a bottle or so a day is considered excessive, but given the family I married into it's easy to pretend we're in France ;-)

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                                                            1. re: Will Owen

                                                              Excess is in the eye of the (puritanic) beholder :-)

                                                              1. re: Will Owen

                                                                I think many people would would love inlaws like that.

                                                                1. re: JudiAU

                                                                  My father in law's 80th birthday was a couple weeks ago. We hosted the party at my house......I cooked for the affair we had about 90+- people at the party.

                                                                  At the end of the night my father in law and I polished off a bottle of sambucca together........I then had to carry him to the car.

                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                    My BIL is like that, except it's anisette. Part of our holiday tradition at this point.

                                                              2. One beer on Friday for lunch and a glass, or maybe two, of wine on Saturday for dinner. I know I'm boring!

                                                                1. I'm really interested in reading these replies. My build is the same as yours Monica and my drinking habits are very similar. I, too, recently started to be concerned that I was overdoing it and I've consciously cut back.

                                                                  The funny thing (at least funny to me) is that if I'm watching a TV program/movie and they pour themselves a glass of wine, I think: "hmmmm....that's a good idea" and I have the tendency to go get some too!

                                                                  A very big motivator for me to cut back is that the day after I've had, say, 3 (or more) glasses of wine I don't feel my best - I'm a little fatigued and mentally cloudy.

                                                                  I'm thinking that it's a good thing that we're aware of the fact that we're probably drinking more than we should and are, therefore, motivated to cut back.

                                                                  1. I'm a regular drinker - 2 to 3 beers a night, though I can't remember the last time I was drunk. Maybe one or two more on a weekend or at a party. I'm a good-sized gal though and have a high tolerance. But I don't NEED it. If I'm sick or ate too much or just don't feel like it, I just don't have it and don't crave it.

                                                                    Hold yourself to the standards of a different country if it makes you feel better. My understanding is that in England it's totally acceptable to have a pint or two at lunchtime, which in America would set off all sorts of warning signals. Or just watch Mad Men and say "At least I didn't have any vodka at work today."

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                                                                    1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                      It is quite common in Germany for people to have a beer or 2 with lunch (these are generally smaller than pints, tho).

                                                                      Hell, in Bavaria, beer is considered a breakfast drink. I learned that the hard way at a conference once where there was no coffee to be had, but instead beer and weisswurst. Turned out to be the perfect breakfast after a night of drinking beer. And eating wurst. But that was in my 20s.

                                                                      As for Mad Men, I cannot wrap my head around how someone could have hard liquor -- or wine, or beer for that matter -- in the AM. Shudder.

                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                        That feeling you had in that conference room is probably the same one I had when I found the dudes who were removing asbestos from my Prague building's hallways swilling beer at 10 am, haha!
                                                                        But, yeah. Standards in Europe are different and I'm fine with that :)

                                                                        1. re: alliegator

                                                                          In Prague, beer was cheaper than water!

                                                                          i'm good with that too.

                                                                      2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                        Not just in England, NonnieMuss, but in all parts of the United Kingdom, it would be generally regarded as OK to have a couple of beers at lunchtime. That said, the custom is very much dying out - I think it's probably with our society becoming more Americanised.

                                                                        In my younger days, it would be common for lunchtimes to be spent in the pub, perhaps two or three days a week. By the time I retired, ten years ago, lunchtime pub visits had all but stopped - even though the food in pubs had got better over those years.

                                                                      3. Once a year, if that, a few sips of wine usually. Nothing against alxohol just never developed a taste for it.

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                                                                        1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                          I'm with you. I have a mixed drink about once a month, usually at a party or dinner with friends. I just don't enjoy drinking all that much. Never did, even in college. Oh and I loathe the taste of beer.

                                                                          And as someone who has always been fighting the battle of the bulge, I'd much rather eat than drink. To me, alcohol is empty calories.

                                                                        2. Just had a bottle of beer with taco I made. It seems my drink of choice changes depending on what I am having for dinner. Will pour myself a red when kids go to sleep.

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                                                                          1. re: Monica

                                                                            A friend of mine swears by a bottle of beer when she bakes. Prevents her from snacking on the dough and finished products.

                                                                          2. Due to some medical conditions I have not been able to drink alcohol in the past year. (now that I've had surgery March 20) the ban is lifted).

                                                                            That said, In December I was hospitalized for a complication leading to the surgery.
                                                                            The first morning a GI resident shows up in my room and announces: they took blood from you in th ER last night and ran tests. Based on the tests your liver levels are extremely high and one number in particular tells us you have a serious drinking problem.
                                                                            I was flat on my back with a tube down my nose into my intestines hooked up to a pump. I could barely speak. I picked up the novel on the bedside table and threw it at the assh*le and he fled the room. Late that afternoon the head of GI came to see me. He said I hear you attacked Dr XXX this morning. I said: "where does that ass get off telling me I have a drinking problem? I haven't had a drink in 9 months and before I had about 2 glasses of wine per week, 1 whiskey per ponth and two beers per year. The chief said: I checked your medical records and the steroids and three different antibiotics you were on this past month could cause the ligh levels. I'll make sure Dr. X stays away. I said: I'll file a formal complaint, it's time Dr. X gets deported, I've had enough of these idiot foreign residents and interns who insult patients and don't ask questions before making accusations.

                                                                            Now, I'm back to my two glasses of wine per week. I might have an occasional whiskey, BUT I still don't think I'll drink more than 2 beers this year.

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                                                                              1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                Ha! Maybe your best post ever, bagels.

                                                                              2. I keep my favorites in the house, sparkly wines, prosecco, muscato, inexpensive fruity red and white. I also keep vodka, rum and that chocolate/coffee stuff in my freezer. If I know I am going to have beer drinkers as guests then I buy what they like. I don't drink beer. If I am out and not a designated driver, I will swill down a few well made Bloody Mary's, Gin and Tonic's or mimosa's. My wild days of non stop tequila shots ended a decade ago:) I do not have a *set* schedule for popping open a bottle to sip on BUT I drink more in spring/summer because I am much more active in warm weather. In the winter I am nodded out on the couch after a couple of healthy slugs:( Like at 1800:(

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                                                                                1. re: MamasCooking

                                                                                  ETA: I meant Gin and Seven or Schweppes tonic water.

                                                                                2. Well, alcoholism isn't necessarily about the amount you drink, but rather the conditions under which you drink. So if you have drinking rituals and get upset when they are disturbed, you drink alone or hide it, you develop a tolerance to it and need more of it to feel the effects, you've tried cutting down on the amounts and can't stick with it, you feel a strong need or compulsion to drink, you feel guilty about your drinking, you use alcohol to cope with stressors, or you feel uncomfortable in situations where alcohol isn't available. The articles where they give amounts that may be warning signs are generally more about the threshold where you're likely to start doing long-term physical damage.

                                                                                  That said, I love me some alcohol and have a fully stocked bar but rarely partake. I view it as an occasional treat. Also, I find that while alcohol may be relaxing and induce sleepiness more quickly, it's not as restful of a sleep so I don't drink if I work the next day. In fact there have been studies done showing that REM sleep is reduced in people who indulge in alcohol prior to bed.

                                                                                  So, on average, I'll have 1-2 drinks once or twice a month maximum. Generally, it will be a glass of bourbon on the rocks at home or a glass of wine at dinner. I'll have a glass of wine or a mixed cocktail with special dinners out (Christmas Eve dinner, a birthday at a special restaurant, an expensive out of the ordinary dinner), but not with your average eating out because we don't feel like cooking dinner or just catching up with friends dinner out. And I'll have a beer if I go to a baseball or football game. That's about it.

                                                                                  1. About 3-4 nights a week i have exactly one small (4oz or so) glass of wine.
                                                                                    I love wines and the flavors of wine with food but my body hates alchohol and i'm a cheap date so i take it easy on myself :)
                                                                                    A few times a month i meet friends for wine and i'll have 2 glasses or so over the course of the evening but then the next day kinda sucks and i'll go a week or so without any.

                                                                                    1. I'm an adult. I trust you are too.

                                                                                      I drink whenever I want to. I trust you do the same.

                                                                                      Life's too short.

                                                                                      Drink what you enjoy and enjoy what you drink.

                                                                                      At the end of it all, we all die.

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                                                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                          Yeah, we do a couple just about every day but stick with the 5pm start rule unless with friends during a summer weekend get together.

                                                                                          On early morning ocean fishing trips, my skinny father in law would wash down a foot long hoagie with a six pack of beer before we cleared the inlet. Worked for him :-)

                                                                                          1. re: Tom34

                                                                                            Helps with seasickness, at least for me.

                                                                                        2. I used to drink to excess - running a restaurant-bar can have that effect.
                                                                                          It seemed fun, wrapping up the kitchen with staff and a few drinks, moving out to the bar and closing 1-2am. 12-15 drinks/night almost every night then start over next 6:00am.
                                                                                          Then there was our two days off (mon/tue) when we'd hit the town. We'd drink with either hardcores or other industry folk (its Monday night for crissakes).

                                                                                          Running a bar can take its toll. One benefit of getting out of the biz is not being ass to elbow next to a bar at all times.
                                                                                          Elevated liver enzymes were the norm during this time.

                                                                                          Been outta the business 'bout 8 years. Now only a heavy drinker (the doc described 4-5 drinks/day as "heavy"...I had to smile at that one - most of my customers were way beyond "heavy").
                                                                                          Usually drink wine (white) on weekend nights, maybe 2-3 liters for the two of us. I like me a good red, but refrain; tends to give me heebie jeebie hangovers.
                                                                                          I used to love beer, but now two quench my thirst, then becomes heavy.
                                                                                          Booze, not so much, gets me loopy, but much to be said about an occasional cocktail.
                                                                                          Nice port or vermouth once in awhile.
                                                                                          Liver enzymes generally around high limit of "normal" these days.

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                                                                                          1. re: porker

                                                                                            You do develop some bad habits in the biz.

                                                                                          2. I drink a few glasses of wine a night with dinner (before and after). Occasionally, we open a second bottle, but not often. We are lower carb and thin, so tend to get trashed easily! Lol
                                                                                            Weekends, I love to " day drink". Feels so nice to have a Bloody Mary or champagne with brunch or wine with lunch.

                                                                                            I rarely get drunk but I am very aware that I am a
                                                                                            "lightweight" and am really careful when drinking outside my house. Anything over two glasses.... I am feel in' it.

                                                                                            1. be kind to your body. i've had acute pancreatic attacks a couple times (genetically prone, but still), and it's not highly recommended. if you're worried, back it off. if you feel bad, back it off. if your doctor, friends, or loved ones advise it, back it off. if you feel fine, live well, and check out clean with your doctor? relax, until/unless one of the above issues manifests. drinking is not a problem, until/if it's a problem. numbers, "norms", and news reports can't dictate your health. do what's right for you, ask your doctor (and be honest!) if in doubt.

                                                                                              1. Anyone in recovery or the field will tell
                                                                                                you the operative words here are "only you can decide"
                                                                                                ps it's a progressive disease :(


                                                                                                1. Unfortunately, due to liver disease (not from drinking), I can no longer drink alcohol of any kind, since I was diagnosed in 2004. I used to have a couple of glasses of wine a few nights a week, or a shot of this or that, or a cocktail. Really, the only one I miss is that glass of wine while I'm cooking dinner.

                                                                                                  1. I'm not sure what the point of this question is. It sounds as if you are trying to come to some kind of conclusion about whether you are "drinking way too much" or justify the amount you are drinking by comparing your drinking to others.

                                                                                                    Everyone is different. There's no way to say that X drinks is okay but more than X drinks is too much.

                                                                                                    What matters is that you have concerns about your drinking ("I feel like I'm an alcoholic sometimes"). As a general rule of thumb, if you think you are drinking too much, you probably are.

                                                                                                    Why don't you try an experiment: give up alcohol for a week. See how you feel.That should give you a pretty good idea about whether you are dependent on alcohol and the degree to which it is a problem.

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                                                                                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                      This is a good summation. I'd also pay attention to the "cravings" and ask yourself if you're craving the taste, or the effect.

                                                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                          don't need a point. Just curious about the drinking habit of fellow chowhounders.

                                                                                                        2. 2-4 glasses of wine on an average evening; occasionally, a glass of wine at lunch "out". Pre-dinner cocktail, once or twice a week.
                                                                                                          And then, if we are at a wine dinner, then a glass (small) with every course :P

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                                                                                                          1. re: KarenDW

                                                                                                            This is a very close description of DW and my consumption patterns, except that my (DH) pre-dinner cocktail pattern is more like 3-4/week. Occasionally, a 2nd bottle of wine will be opened, particularly to enjoy while viewing first "Sopranos" and currently "24" episodes.

                                                                                                            1. re: KarenDW

                                                                                                              Yup...same here. It's funny, I don't need bubbles baths or expensive food, but a glass of wine at lunch feels like the ultimate luxury.

                                                                                                            2. Magazine and news articles? Don't listen to the morons. Only YOU know whether you're drinking too much.....or not enough.

                                                                                                              1. How much drinking is good or bad? Rather than settle on a fixed number of drinks it's better to see if drinking is affecting your life in a bad way.

                                                                                                                Does it cause you to miss work or affect your job performance?

                                                                                                                Does it negatively affect relationships with friends and family?

                                                                                                                Does it prevent you from doing important things?

                                                                                                                (I'll skip drinking and driving. We all agree that can be a problem.)

                                                                                                                If the answers to those questions are "no" or "rarely" then you're probably fine.

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                                                                                                                1. re: Bob Martinez

                                                                                                                  Agreed. The truest def of alcoholism I've heard is that if your alcohol consumption is making your life worse, you're an alcoholic and should modify your ways. Otherwise, don't sweat it.

                                                                                                                2. I don't drink much; as the child of alcoholics, I avoided it for a long time and channeled my neuroses into food. I'm barely a social drinker these days, but I do enjoy an occasional glass of wine with food, or a rum-based cocktail before a meal. Never do I have both in the same day.

                                                                                                                  But the issue isn't comparing your drinking to that of others, or what some magazine article says. It's how you feel about alcohol, and how your drinking affects you and those around you. If you feel like you are craving it, that may be something to speak about with your doctor sooner rather than later.


                                                                                                                  1. I only drink when I'm happy and when I'm sad.
                                                                                                                    Sometimes I drink it when I'm alone.
                                                                                                                    When I have company I consider it obligatory.
                                                                                                                    I trifle with it if I'm not in a hurry and drink it when I am, otherwise I never touch the stuff unless I am thirsty.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: redips

                                                                                                                          If I had all the money I've spent on drink....
                                                                                                                          ...I'd spend it on drink.
                                                                                                                          (Sir Henry Rawlinson)

                                                                                                                          1. re: redips

                                                                                                                            "I drink too much.
                                                                                                                            The last time I gave a urine sample it had an olive in it."

                                                                                                                            -Rodney Dangerfield

                                                                                                                          2. i usually have a drink 5 of 7 nights a week, maybe an afternoon drink over the weekend and usually one of the nights i will have 3 or more...i used to all the time but now i'd say i average 10-12 drinks a week, split between wine, beer and liquor (usually straight, i don't care for sugary things).

                                                                                                                            1. Most evenings, 1 or 2 glasses of wine before dinner or while cooking. In the summer, sometimes a gin and tonic sitting out on the deck in the evening.

                                                                                                                              1. At the least, 3 times a week. At the most, generally not exceeding 5. If I'm on vacation, however, it's usually every night.

                                                                                                                                1. “I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.” Attributed to everyone from Dean Martin to Frank Sinatra.

                                                                                                                                  You mentioned that at times you feel like an alcoholic, Monica. That does not necessarily mean you are an alcoholic. It could be anything from religious guilt to a concern a loved one may have expressed to you about your drinking that would make you feel that way. No one here knows for certain because we do not know you or witness your drinking.

                                                                                                                                  Have you tried drying out for an extended period of time? That may help you come to the self-realization if you are or are not an alcoholic.

                                                                                                                                  1. A few times a week, either wine with dinner, cocktails after work, beers while seeing a band or a ballgame, drinks while watching movies on a Friday night...

                                                                                                                                    Once every couple of months my friends and I tend to tie one on.

                                                                                                                                    1. Never. Just don't like the taste of alcohol, not for any other reason...

                                                                                                                                      1. Friday/Saturday/Sunday only. Either a couple of beers or some champagne. I'm boring!

                                                                                                                                        1. Very rarely these days. I've had a total of 3 glasses of wine so far this year. I do sometimes miss the social aspects and the silliness of getting tipsy, but I feel so awful after even 1 drink anymore that it's really not worth it (though I do occasionally cave to peer pressure or my own annoyance with feeling limited). I'd rather feel good the next day. Other parts of trying to feel good and have a happy life have been Prozac and exercising regularly, neither of which is compatible with alcohol.

                                                                                                                                          In my 30's, before I made these changes, I had a drink or two a few times a week, maybe more if I was out with friends, averaging 5 -7 drinks/week. In my 20s, I drank a lot more. My 20's were also kind of a train wreck. Coincidence?

                                                                                                                                            1. couple of cocktails probably 4 nights a week. maybe a glass of wine with/or, more likely, after dinner, 2-3 nights a week. if out with friends, it could be much more. then there are nights when nothing alcoholic gets imbibed.

                                                                                                                                              life is too short to worry unless you really have something to worry about.

                                                                                                                                              1. I think it was about the time that the Supreme Court decided the election in 2000 that I decided "as much as I want, whenever I want" (except before/when driving or at work). Mostly beer, though, since around the time our current POTUS proved to be basically the same thing in different packaging (and with pretty words!) that I discovered that I was suffering from hyperanxiety, and was prescribed 20 mg. of Valium/day, and found that anything stronger led to falling down/fainting a lot. God, I miss Lagavulin...!

                                                                                                                                                1. Monica, my husband and I do the same thing. We drink wine daily. But he is 6'1" and 160, while I am 5'5" and 115, so yeah, that's probably too much for me and just about right for him.

                                                                                                                                                  1. I've not drunk alcohol since I was 49 (that was 1999).

                                                                                                                                                    I reckoned that I'd drunk enough in my first 50 years to last me for the second.

                                                                                                                                                    By the by, my partner drinks almost every day - an aperitif before dinner, couple of glasses of wine with dinner.

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                                      "I reckoned that I'd drunk enough in my first 50 years to last me for the second."

                                                                                                                                                      I kinda think along the same lines: I didn't drink as a kid, so I have catching-up to do.

                                                                                                                                                    2. Funny this should come up.
                                                                                                                                                      I've recently embarked on an experiment to see if I can produce a tolerable meal while sober.
                                                                                                                                                      Preliminary data is inconclusive, but it looks like my prior "how crocked can I get" experiment yielded better results overall.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Bryan Pepperseed

                                                                                                                                                        but it looks like my prior "how crocked can I get" experiment yielded better results overall."

                                                                                                                                                        Not necessarily, BP. It may simply have been a matter that your recollection of the food quality was "crock related" :-)

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                                                          True. That's why I haven't given up on the sober experiment.....yet.

                                                                                                                                                      2. Maybe once a week. Usually beer or wine with dinner. One beer, and a glass or half a bottle of wine depending. I can go months without it though. Drink more withy family and less with my husband. I don't ever drink alone. I don't usually drink at lunch time. I do like Bloody Mary at brunch.

                                                                                                                                                        1. Red wine once a day in the evening with an occasional vodka martini.

                                                                                                                                                          It really depends on why you drink…and you're the only person who knows why.
                                                                                                                                                          I don't have a problem with alcohol but a few friends do and they're not all going to AA or recognizing they perhaps could have a problem with it.

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                                                                            Booze, the cause and solution to most of my problems.

                                                                                                                                                          2. On an average, I'd guess about 3 to 4 evenings per week. My preferences are Bourbon on the rocks, occasionally Tennessee whiskey or Scotch, beer, wine, mostly red.
                                                                                                                                                            Most often only one, or at the most two, of the hard stuff. Almost always two of the martinis, due to the grin I get whenever I recall my dad's reasoning for having two of them ;-)
                                                                                                                                                            After that, if there is any more, it's beer or wine. Really though, more than three in total is rather rare, though of course there are always exceptions!

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                                                              what was your dads reasoning?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: pie22

                                                                                                                                                                "Martinis are like a woman's breasts. One is not enough, and three are too many"

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                    Hmm. I guess the difference is... I might say no to the four martinis.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                                                                      I totally agree with you. Two is kinda the perfect amount.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                        My aunt when she was a child had a cat nicknamed "Second Martini." That was because she knew how long to wait after her dad got home before she asked if she could keep a kitten.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: thinks too much

                                                                                                                                                                          Reminds me of the original "Miracle on 34th Street"!

                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                      How about four?

                                                                                                                                                                      Check your species before you answer that.

                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: Cheez62

                                                                                                                                                                      Martinis are like a woman's breasts. Fake ones might be nice to look at, but somehow, just don't feel right.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. I drink wine almost every day. Sometimes one glass, sometimes a bottle, it sort of depends on how much medicine I need. Mostly 3 glasses moderate pours one with dinner (if I eat dinner, I don't always) and the rest after. They say it's too much, I say xanax is worse for you.

                                                                                                                                                                    I'll have a cocktail three or four times a year, maybe an aperitif a few more times than that normally when having dinner with friends. I love campari drinks. I drink a beer now and then in the summer after working in the garden, or during a summer afternoon at the lake.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. A cocktail or a long drink twice every two weeks.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. This topic comes up on here from time to time and I've posted my "struggles" with the bottle so I won't bore you with a long drawn out story.

                                                                                                                                                                        I drink far too much far too often. Functioning alcoholic most of my life and I'm sure one day I'm going to pay a very dear price for my life of over indulging. Only good thing is I've gotten older (44 now) I'm just no physically capable of drinking like I use to, but my current ability is still far beyond many's imagination.

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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                          "I've gotten older (44 now) I'm just no physically capable of drinking like I use to"

                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, its tough...
                                                                                                                                                                          Not like when you're 24 - go out on a Friday night, don't come home until Sunday night and go to work on Monday morning, no problem.
                                                                                                                                                                          Nowadays (I'm 48) carousing until 3am is likely asking for a 2-3 day hangover....

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                            I simply no longer have the desire to get seriously likkerd up. I'm 46.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. Anywhere from 2 to 4 times a week and anywhere from 1 to 3 drinks when I do.

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: inaplasticcup

                                                                                                                                                                            Glass or two of wine three or four nights a week.
                                                                                                                                                                            Some weekends the neighbors all gather at someone's house and it's bring the tool box, we're going to get hammered. Everyone walks home.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. I used to enjoy a glass of red wine every night to relax but now I only have a glass or two of wine on weekends with my dinner or with friends on a night out. You tend to enjoy it more if you reward yourself with it at the end of the week rather than making it a daily ritual.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. For many years I drank 2-3 glasses of wine each evening. I wondered if I had a drinking problem; I didn't think I did, but I sure looked forward to that wine every night.

                                                                                                                                                                              Last summer, hubby had a health crisis which caused us to review our living habits, and we decided to just stop drinking.

                                                                                                                                                                              I missed it for a bit, but now I'm really glad we did it. I enjoy knowing I don't need it and it's really liberating. Added bonuses: there was a LOT of sugar in that glass of wine that I'm sure I didn't need. And it costs $$$, too.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. Noticed drinking far less than used to. Rarely by myself, rarely at lunch. Drink wine primarily but with the better beers easily available that number has increased.
                                                                                                                                                                                Generally only drink @ 3 days a week.
                                                                                                                                                                                Will admit sometimes when l drink, l DRINK.
                                                                                                                                                                                Belong to three wines groups who always graciously pour wonderful stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                As an example, this week in France went to a ** lunch with a friend. As we were going to drive a lot we eschewed wine and instead had a tasting of 4 bottles of sparkling waters from different countries. Cost nearly the same as a bottle of wine, was a lot of fun, and was informative so did not feel deprived.

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                                                                                                                                  " As we were going to drive a lot we eschewed wine and instead had a tasting of 4 bottles of sparkling waters from different countries. Cost nearly the same as a bottle of wine"

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm sure your experience was different but that reminds me of the classic Penn & Teller episode where they plant a phony "water steward" in an upscale L.A. restaurant and he sells the customers on different brands of fancy waters for them to compare. They all claim they can taste the difference between the brands and they are definitely better than just tap water. Turns out the water steward was filling up all of the bottles from a garden hose behind the restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                  At around the 5 minute mark...


                                                                                                                                                                                2. I drank more when I was in my 20's and 30's. In my 40's, I just find that I don't have time for it. Now, if I have two glasses of wine, I don't get anything else done for the rest of the night.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I drink on Mondays (burger night at the local bar) - two 22oz drafts. Friday is a glass of wine or two. Saturday maybe wine or a martini (a real gin martini). And that's about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I'm a ginger (i.e. Celtic blood) and my understanding that our evolution in Northern latitudes gives us a gene that makes us more tolerant of alcohol. I can drink quite massive amounts of alcohol and not feel much effect and not much of a hangover. that said, I feel absolutely no longing for alcohol and can take it or leave it. my liver turned 65 today and is doing quite well thank you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kagemusha49

                                                                                                                                                                                      "God created whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over the world".---"Boss" Tweed

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. If I was a single bachelor, I'd clear at least a tall boy 6-pack of 6% alc beer a week, probably at least a beer every day, sometimes a 6 pack in one setting, maybe 12... But, I have a lovely girlfriend that sets me straight and she has 2 teen girls and it's no life having a parent or significant other get a buzz on every single day. My parents drank every day and if anybody knows, a parent that drinks is really not "there" ... Same goes with a couple stoner ex girlfriends. A buzzed life is not something that I want.

                                                                                                                                                                                      It takes 16 days to make a habit. Nowadays, I'm happy with a 24oz of beer every other weekend, or a half drunken night at the bar every month or so (with a designated driver or taxi involved, of course).

                                                                                                                                                                                      I do miss clearing a fifth of Jack Daniels when I'm sick though. Old wives tale of drinking whiskey to cure a cold is true, in my experience. Or maybe it was just an excuse to drink JD on ice :)

                                                                                                                                                                                      Camping alone or with buddies -- Well that's another story. A burnt Bloody Mary for breakfast for the hair of the dog for because of the night prior by the fire. And a tall boy for lunch while fishing or gutting :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Muddirtt

                                                                                                                                                                                        Had the police at my house twice in a little more than 48 hours because of people who chronically drink too much. One doesn't think he's an alcoholic because he doesn't drink every day (just most days). On this occasion, he was just drinking with his buds all day and into the wee hours of the morning, having a good time, then broke into my house to see his ex-girlfriend (my roommate), attacked another guest, vomited all the way from my front porch to the back door and was eventually arrested for drunk and disorderly on my front stairs. Of course he was so drunk he doesn't actually remember any of it. But hey, he doesn't have a problem, nope, not at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                        The other also came by to see an ex. She attacked him and screamed obscenities in the backyard that were heard two doors down. She's pickled her brain for so long there's no "normal" behavior left: she's either drunk and surly or drunk and combative. Or passed out, as she was on my front steps one morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                        So while I enjoy a glass or two of wine now and then and the occasional cocktail, I don't find it particularly amusing when people make light about how much they drink.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                          The saddest thing, and there are many, about your post Ruth is that some folks are going to read it and say to themselves " Well I've never done anything like that so I must not be an alcoholic." It is not how much one drinks or how often, it is what the drink does to the person and the persons life.
                                                                                                                                                                                          It was difficult to read some of the responses to Monica's original post...The post speaks for itself, clearly there is an issue there. I am not being judgmental but I am feeling grateful. So sorry you had to deal with that kind of toxicity( no pun intended) and drama.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not clear to me, by any stretch of the imagination, that there was an "issue" in the OP. I agree with the first part of your post - its what drink does (or *doesnt* do) to each person's life.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The OP's use of alcohol fits in with the overwhelming number of other posts on this thread. Maybe we're ALL alcoholics and don't know it but it's far more likely that we fit a normal profile for non-problem drinkers.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Alcohol abuse use is a very real problem but most people can drink in a healthy way.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Bob Martinez

                                                                                                                                                                                              The OP
                                                                                                                                                                                              " I feel like I am an alcholic sometimes as I find myself craving it"
                                                                                                                                                                                              Why so defensive?
                                                                                                                                                                                              This is someone's life we are talking about, the flippant responses were irresponsible at best.
                                                                                                                                                                                              " Alcohol abuse use is a very real problem but most people can drink in a healthy way."
                                                                                                                                                                                              Bob, did ya read through this thread????

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                I have, and I don't see many responses that I would consider irresponsible by any stretch of the term.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's hard to even discuss alcohol in this country because it always comes down to this metric. Oh they drink and like it, how very sad. No, not sad, you don't drink and good for you, they do and good for them. Things are not black and white, and alcohol is not necessarily bad for a person, nor is its lack improving you, chowdom. Seeing as how you have a serious case of unjustified judgmentalism, based on some assumptions which won't stand critical scrutiny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Did you know that sugar is a gateway drug, to frightening but unspecified "addictive behaviors"? (heh, learned this scientifically unsupported "fact" recently in a work seminar, doubtless so our employer could get some kind of credit for substance-abuse-avoidance training).

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Teague

                                                                                                                                                                                                    To Teague, The only thing I am judging is how folks responded to the OP nothing else, once again I am feeling grateful not judgmental. You are assuming I don't drink, I never stated that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am disturbed/saddened by the joking as well as the amount of anger and defensiveness this thread is beginning to generate, not the amount of alcohol people are consuming.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The OP stated she thinks she may be an alcoholic...how about suggesting she go speak to a professional to help make that determination or perhaps seek out a recovering alcoholic to talk to instead of defending alcohol, making light of the problem, boasting about how much or how little you drink.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    .Linguafood, If someone told you they thought maybe they had a particular disease because they were experiencing symptoms associated with this particular disease would you tell them not to worry that you know many people, have many friends who experience similar symptoms however the symptoms are not debilitating and or they have not been diagnosed with the disease so don't bother to follow - up, living with these symptoms appears to be status quo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have witnessed a lot of wreckage due to alcohol abuse so I am pretty passionate about the topic.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    To those social drinkers out there cheers...
                                                                                                                                                                                                    to those struggling, I repeat it is a progressive disease.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Since you asked me personally, I find your comparison lacking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I did not get the impression that the OP is "experiencing symptoms" associated with alcoholism.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      She merely asked -- since magazines may not be the most reliable place to get a realistic outlook on most *anything* in life -- what other people's consumption of alcohol was on a regular basis.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Trust me, I am well aware of the wreckage alcohol abuse can create.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't consider my own social drinking a "progressive disease". YMCV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Social drinking is not a progressive disease, sorry if I intimated that...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                          But what if you are a VERY social person? (like me!!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I interpreted the OP to be a social drinker who isn't struggling -- like 99% of the posters in this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            So I think we're all good here '-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Veterans Administration website has a self test to tell you where you stand, if you so desire. Some of it is open to all. Better than Cosmopolitan or whatnot. I will link when I have a bit more time. It eased my mind!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not worried at all. But perhaps the OP can take it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sorry I didn't mean to direct that at you, but at everyone posting here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: coll

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I would LOVE to see that. Please feel free to link it to this post!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm on the run but will do it before I retire tonight. It was very realistic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry it took me awhile to hunt this down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not even sure this is the one I previously saw, there is another link on this website's main page but that link is broken. At least it's a little scientific though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Woooohooooooo.............!!! I took both;

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My HealtheVet I scored a "moderate"!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Veteran's Drinker's Check-Up I got a 19. Which is in the "high range"....but based on what I've read I'm still pretty good!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Happy Hour tonight!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's good to know isn't it? I feel like the VA has a lot more down to earth experience with this that most.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not sure how that ties into my post but, STFU!!!! That's my lucky number too!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kind of funny because I started betting it in roulette God know's how many years ago......13 Black. I played it because it was considered a taboo number by many, so I played it. Then wouldn't you know it my daughter, my first born, was born on 8-13 so that solidified it as my "lucky" number

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i got lucky number 7 on the Drinker's Check-Up in that link, which

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "... suggests that your drinking is not putting you at risk for problems usually associated with drinking. Going through the rest of this program may not be worth your time and effort unless you have concerns about your drinking that weren't asked about in the previous questions or you have been asked to go through it because your primary care provider is concerned about how your drinking may be affecting your health..."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              so there you have it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              and now to finish the glass at hand...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hopefully the firemen did not have to tuck you into bed again, Jr. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Fowler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No but my knee is swollen and sore and I'm not too sure why. :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Back to another thread, I thought it could be the onset of gout so I took an annoprox and so far so good!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It probably was not your fault. Perhaps MGZ banged his bar stool into your knee.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Fowler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You seem to know him well Fowler!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The OP herself brought up the idea that she might be an alcoholic and stated that she "craves" alcohol. I think that suggesting she talk about her concerns with a professional is a better approach than comparing her alcohol consumption with that of a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet. YMCV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, only the OP knows *how* worried she is about her personal cravings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        She seemed to imply relying on "magazines" to gauge whether how much she drinks is too much -- maybe she's reading the Temperance Monthly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And judging from her recent post, she sure sounds fine to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OMOM, of course :-D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          At various times, I could be craving wine, bourbon, donuts, tuna (which I normally despise), celery, potato chips, dark chocolate, pasta, red meat, carrots, bananas, spinach.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Crave does not necessarily mean a physiological addiction response. It can mean, simply, really super duper want. And really super duper wanting a drink most often comes sans alcoholism. Tomorrow I will spend hours in (finally) warm sunny weather planting potatoes. I will super duper want a cold beer when I'm done, and that don't mean a thing other than I'll want something really refreshing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          To call responses to this thread irresponsible (and I don't recall if that was you Ruth or someone else is to dazzle me with contortions. OP asked how much people drink. People responded to the question. I'm finding it tough to see the irresponsibility in that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You have an axe to grind, obviously. I've witnessed a lot of wreckage due to addiction to prescription drugs, but I don't think everybody with a xanax dose has a potential problem. In general, I believe that far too many people in the US are very busy predicting the downfall of others due to their eating or drinking habits - it's an unpleasant trait, and folks who don't engage in this or that should really tend to their own knitting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Irresponsible at best? Please. Don't be such a dam' buzzkill. I read this thread to hear about what and how much people drink. If I want to read temperance lectures from humorless scolds I'll log on to carrienation.com.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Bob, did ya read through this thread????"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I sure did but maybe you didn't. Did you miss my earlier post? I put alcohol consumption into the larger context of how a person lives their life. If it brings enjoyment and not damage my guess is that things are fine.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Crave" can have a lot of meanings. Some people crave potato chips, other people crave donuts. It doesn't necessarily mean they're addicted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Americans have been Puritanical about alcohol for a long time, seeing a problem in behavior that the rest of the world considers perfectly normal. Guess where the United States ranks in per capita alcohol consumption compared to the rest of the world.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Come on, guess.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We're behind every single country in Europe (except Norway and Iceland) and lots of other places as well. We're the abnormal ones.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think anyone's responses were irresponsible.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The question from the OP was "How much do you drink?" not "How should I deal with my alcoholism?".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When my now wife and I first started to live together I went out with the boy's one night and came home completely wasted. I decided it was more comfortable on the cool tiles of the bathroom floor than it was in bed and decided to make that my resting place for the night. She kept insisting I come to bed, I kept trying to go to sleep on the bathroom floor. I had also smoked about an entire pack of cigarette's that night (20+ years ago) so I have a very heavy wheeze to my breathing, at one point she came into the bathroom to check on me.......she say's I wasn't responding to her.....I was wheezing.....she called 911.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was awaken by 4 fire men who graciously picked me up and carried me to bed, tucked me in, and said good night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      She should have realized then this was going to be a very.....very.....long road for her. LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Ahhh...I enjoy sipping wine while I'm cooking weekday dinners. Starting from humpday (Wednesday). Hubs, and I have a nightcap at least 3 evenings out of the week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Rarely. I'll have a glass of wine when we go out to dinner, or when we entertain at home I may have two or three small glasses. Once in a while I enjoy a nice Pimms or G&T. When we travel to Europe I do drink a lot more with the meals, practically every day, for it seems to be part of the travel experience, but at home on a day to day basis almost never.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We live in the UAE where there are very strict anti-drinking and driving laws so we quickly fell into a routine when one of us won't drink so we can drive to a friend's house for a dinner, or to a restaurant. But as it turned out both of us ended up not drinking often (alcohol is very expensive).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ironically, we have about two dozen bottles of wine and a couple bottles of excellent gin and whisky, all courtesy of visitors who stop at the duty free at the airport to buy us booze as a hostess gift.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't crave alcohol. It seems to be a family trait as neither of my parents are regular drinkers nor are my siblings. My sons have disdained interest in alcohol as well, although I'm sure that'll change when they go to college ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The one drink I do love and look forward to very much is madeira but we only buy it at Christmas. Good quality madeira is not cheap.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. I am 65 and drink quite a lot. But I have NEVER craved alcohol. IMHO alcohol is bad when it causes destructive behavior (destructive to you or to others). If you truly crave alcohol then it sounds like you cannot control your consumption and are heading down the slippery slope. If by 'craving" you merely meant you were looking forward to a glass of wine then IMHO that's OK.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Like so many others on here, I drink 1-2 glasses of wine daily. Additionally I'll have a cocktail or 2 on weekends, a Manhattan if I'm eating at home or if I'm going out somewhere I might try a designer cocktail if it sounds interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That said, one of the definitions of alcoholism (or any addictive behavior) is when you continue to engage in that behavior despite clear evidence that it's affecting your life: missing work due to hangovers, disrupting relationships, causing serious health problems, etc. Does any of that apply to you? (You don't have to answer in a public forum like this, I'm really just trying to give you some food for thought).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: medrite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            haha...i read some of the commments here and they are hilarious. I guess this is how an innocent person can be locked up in a jail for a murder he/she didn't commit. I was just curious about other people's drinking habits. I don't have any issues carrying out normal behaviors. I work full time..no problem waking up or going to bed, never missed work because of alcohol..i have 2 young kids that are fed well and taken cared of. have a husband that I cook for him every night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do love drinking a glass of wine when I am cooking i must say. and another during meal...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Based on the overwhelming majority of the posts here your drinking is right in the middle of the range. And you pass all the behavioral tests re work/family/sleeping etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for starting the thread - it's been educational and entertaining.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Monica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                >>> I guess this is how an innocent person can be locked up in a jail for a murder he/she didn't commit.<<<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Would you care to elaborate upon that comment?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: medrite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wholeheartedly concur with the above definition. If a man consumes a bottle of Scotch every night but does not endanger others with verbal or physical violence, drive under the influence or fail to meet his social and vocational responsibilities to others, I would not call him an alcoholic. He may be a habitual drinker who has developed high ethanol tolerance and is placing himself at medical risk, but if he functions without harm or negligence to society, I hesitate to apply the term. You also have the father of five who drinks his paycheck away at the bar, comes home at 1 a.m to beat up his wife because dinner is cold and have her call in an illness excuse to his employer the next morning so he can keep his demoted job for the same repeat excuses. That is an alcoholic (IMHO.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chefpaulo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have to say...and I am *not* trying to be judgmental -- but a bottle of scotch every night? That is a *lot* of booze.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Even as a hypothetical example.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Even if its a small 26-ouncer?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Besides, I don't even like scotch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: porker

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am a scotch drinker, and I cannot imagine *any* scenario where I w/could put away a bottle every night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. I wonder who here realizes that a person can develop cirrhosis of the liver with moderate, even modest alcohol consumption.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not saying no one should drink; I just think this should be more commonly known.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think only 10 to 15% of heavy drinkers develop cirrhosis, and only after an extended period of elevated readings and then fatty liver. Up until you are diagnosed with cirrhosis it is very easy to reverse, only takes days to be back to normal if you wish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The point is that you don't need to be a heavy drinker to develop cirrhosis.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Alcoholic cirrhosis develops for 10–20% of individuals who drink *heavily* for a decade or more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I know, I know -- wiki ain't the most reliable source out there, but I didn't find any mention of "non-heavy" drinkers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Would you care to provide a source? TIA!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Certainly. My husband's specialist.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That's a problem too, when you have liver issues everyone assumes it from alcohol or drugs. That's only a small part of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Coll, that's absolutely true. If I tell people I have liver disease and can't drink, they automatically assume it's from over-drinking. Nor is it from any risky behavior, but that perception is out there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well there are 30,000 cirrhosis deaths annually Vs 2.5 million for all causes. Given that a very large percentage of Americans drink moderately cirrhosis is probably not the biggest worry for moderate drinkers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cleveland Clinic has a nice page on alcoholic fatty liver disease. They say cirrhosis gets more likely the more one drinks with risk accelerating at 60gms/day for men and 20 for women. They also say regular drinking is worse than binge drinking for cirrhosis.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd expect cancer might be a bigger problem at moderate intake than cirrhosis. Many different cancer risks increase several fold at 50gms/ day level, see this:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ChrisOfStumptown

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            With respect to all above, my grandfather was a heavy drinker, daily for more than half his life. He died from heart failure at 76.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My father's funeral was two days ago, Wednesday and he was 91 years old and cause of death was cardio myopathy. He had a "Happy Hour" every day for at least the last 40 years , consisting of two fingers of scotch on the rocks with either some cheese or nuts about 5:30 -6:00 every day.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I will soon be 60 and have done so for the last 10 years and will continue my fathers tradition until I am at least 91...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In reflection, I guess he meant it was a time of the day to stop, reflect, relax and be happy with life, perhaps a habit, as noted above but not necessarily a bad one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              God bless Dad and Grandpa........have two for Happy Hour Tonight, one for each of them! lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nice SL in the pic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am sorry for your loss, PHREDDY. I am glad that your Father took the time to do something he enjoyed each day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: PHREDDY

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's a charming story.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  However I don't see that it relates to a discussion of odds. If he had died of cirrhosis at a younger age, your story would be much different. Or if he had died of colon cancer, you would not know whether alcohol was the cause of his disease.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That we can point to someone who took risks and did not suffer consequences doesn't mean those risks were wise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ChrisOfStumptown

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I beg too differ..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The OP, Monica states that it is her opinion that she is drinking too much alcohol.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Her question is: "How much do you drink and how often?"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think I answered her question, then provided some background to my routine.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am not so sure she was asking for people who are aware of the risks or first or second hand knowledge of people who as a result of alcohol consumption to any degree had any problems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Wine drinker here.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I drink only Friday/Saturday/Sunday - first reason is that I rarely drink wine without food (except for pre-dinner drink) and during the week I don't cook/have foods that require wine pairings (well, not to me LOL); second reason comes because of the first one - good food and wine too often cause me to gain weight and bloat.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When I do drink wine (with food) it avarages to about a bottle per day - could be more with white, less with red. I eat slowly, take breaks between courses, and have appetizer, so that bottle would be stretched over 3-4 hours.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do drink alone every Friday (hubby is working), but his presence would not change anything for me since he is an absolute non-drinker. I honestly do not think that there is anything wrong with drinking alone, but probably it's because I do it exactly the same way if anyone is present.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do have an occasional cocktail when out on the town (tequila- or vodka-based) or mimosa if I happen to be in the mood for it in the morning.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I rarely drink beer - usually at the pub with pub food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ETA - I drink every day while on vacation, but try to drink more water that usual (and I drink a LOT of water) to compensate for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Dh and I drink about 5/7 days of the week. Dh is often in work situations that support/encourage drinking, and I cook and like to have a glass of wine when I get home most days. We have 3 young children and struggle to have a 'life' outside of the stress of parenting so having a couple of drinks and a laugh after the kids have gone to bed is all we have these days. We also have a summer cottage which is a place that encourages all day drinking. We try not to imbibe heavily too often, but it happens when we have guests. We generally drink mostly wine, some beer, and never hard liquor. We are an active family and spend a lot of time outdoors and 'doing stuff'. A nice drink after a long day of skiing or riding bikes with the kids is a reasonable reward, we think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Ever since spending my junior year in Vienna, I have always liked wine with dinner. Beer seems to be seasonal, almost exclusively the summer months. A six pack of good bottled import can last me a month (which is incomprehensible to some who go through a case - or more - a weekend and have the gut to prove it.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As someone once said, alcohol can be a condiment, a beverage, a drug or a death sentence. You choose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Roman physician, Galen, recommended that all drink "three goblets of red wine each day." (My kind of health practitioner!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chefpaulo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This suddenly reminded me of the joke that been floating around the internet in many forms, for many years

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The guy saying, my doctor told me that one glass of wine a day is fine and he has a glass the size of his body.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. I think nutritional status is a big factor in how much one can healthfully drink, and I think most chowhounders know what that entails.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Milk thistle / silymarin can also help protect liver function.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Too often. A little nip of something daily. 1.5 oz of a spirit/day is considered moderate drinking with health benefits per medical articles. Too often I exceed that limit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: scubadoo97

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm proud to say my fundamentalist Mennonite grandfather was one of the best Depression area 'moonshiners' in Alberta.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I always drank whatever was going but only a couple of times in my life drank to the point where I couldn't control my emotions AKA couldn't remembered what happened. That was in my late teens.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Got involved with a friend who was making NZ type moonshine (clear) using an 'air distiller' a few years ago just for fun. Pure moonshine from water/sugar/'turbo' yeast.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Easily 60 proof. We made gallons! Gave it to friends. Sold the 'Air distiller' which you can find for sale on Youtube and legally available to purchase in Canada to a dude you lived out of his 40' motor home who lived half the time in the Nevada desert with dozens of other 'fellow travellers'.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now I make my own beer and wine from kits.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sometimes I fancy myself to be a latter day Keith Floyd in the kitchen. Sometimes a Graham Kerr.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (Never a GF........if you know what I mean.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Puffin3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Knowing that information, Puffin3, now I understand why you said certain things in some of your other posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Fowler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you for your understanding dear.