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Chick-fil-A kickin' the Colonels butt

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Chick -fil-A is now $5 billion in sales, @ $3.2 million per store, vs. $4.22B for KFC @ $938K per store. Chick-fil-A has more than three times the sales per unit. And they are not open on Sundays!
We have a new leader in the henhouse.

  1. I dined there this afternoon. The wifeacita and I each had a piece on a toothpick at the local mall. Details tomorrow, after this break from our sponsors.

    1. < shrugs> I like their chicken sandwiches.

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      1. re: Jerseygirl111

        So did I. Until they made the news a year or so ago.

        1. re: L2k

          Yes, there is a huge thread elsewhere on CH that debates the morality of patronizing the chain if you disagree with their politics.

          It is a highly personal and difficult decision. I have since concluded that if I stopped purchasing products because I disagree with corporate practices, I would not be able to use Firefox (CEO antigay) my ipad and iphone (worker treatment in China, outsourcing) eat ChickfilA or Barilla (antigay) live in my home (Bank of America mortgage), banking (Wall St) and on and on.

          1. re: Jerseygirl111

            You have a point. If your point is that it's all or nothing at all.

            1. re: linguafood

              Lingua, nahh. Just saying for me, it was something I struggled with, to eat or not to eat due to the politics. When I started thinking about it, I realized it was not just chickfila.

              Everyone needs to make their own choices in life.

              1. re: Jerseygirl111

                Oh, fer sure. Having had the sandwich & finding it to be mediocre at best, it's not even worth consideration for me.

                1. re: linguafood

                  Yeh when you don't care for whatever it is, it is much easier to boycott it.

            2. re: Jerseygirl111

              President Obama was publicly antigay marriage the same time the exceo of Firefox was. Should he be fired also for holding the same belief?

              1. re: beteez

                No one was fired for "holding beliefs." You're confused.

                1. re: Bob W

                  Right. He was forced out of his position because he gave a token contribution to a political cause that most of the voters in California agreed with. That is so much better.

                  1. re: jpc8015

                    I think you mean that is so much worse.

                    1. re: calumin

                      Indeed. I was using a bit of sarcasm there.

        2. Their chicken tastes a lot better than KFC.

          1. So I'll just cut to the chase here and ask the question; Does this mean the public is willing to leave their religious and political belief's at the door to enjoy some good chicken?

            Or is this just a sign of an incredibly weak segment of the market and it's the winner of the losers category? (I don't follow the fast food chicken market enough to know if 5 billion is a respectable number or just the highest of an industry in decline)

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            1. re: jrvedivici

              I suspect a lot of their customers don't have to check their religious and political beliefs at the door when they visit Chick-fil-A.

              Their sales are growing rapidly, by the way. Same store sales up 8% in 2012 vs. 2011, for example.

              1. re: jrvedivici

                Or perhaps it is an indication that the number of those who eat fast food and hold political beliefs that are in line with the beliefs of Chick-fil-A's founders are greater than what the mainstream media wants the public to believe?

                1. re: janniecooks

                  Could be. That's basically what I was saying. No need to check their beliefs at the door since they share those beliefs.

                  Plus, the chicken is ridiculously good.

                  1. re: jrvedivici

                    I think the numbers would say yes the public is willing to leave their beliefs at the door.

                    Past visits to KFC over the years were disappointing to me.

                    Take Popeyes over either any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

                    1. re: jrvedivici

                      Many people aren't willing to put it on the line for their beliefs, in my opinion. Then there are those who agree with Chick-fil-a, and then there are those who don't give a damn. Obviously the majority aren't personally affected, and a lot of people aren't willing to make any change at all in moral support of a group they aren't members of. At least, that is my impression.

                      My own view is that it's a small sacrifice to make in support of human rights. I ate Chick-fil-a for many years, and it is good chicken, but not great chicken. (Let me be clear, though--I'd be doing the same thing if it were great chicken. It's hardly the only restaurant in town.) I am well able to feed myself without it.

                      When the boycott came up in conversation with my brother, I could see him giving it consideration, and then he said that he wasn't sure how he would eat when he's on the road without it. I get that. I am never in the position of Chick-fil-a being the only recognizable, certifiably edible, sort-of-healthy food around.

                    2. That's a real shame. The last thing I want to hear is how well their company's doing.

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                        1. re: treb

                          Because of their COO's extremely political public statements and their company's public and financial support of discrimination laws.

                          1. re: Boston_Otter

                            I disconnect my social views from my appetite. I like the Chick-fil-A sandwich, without the pickle. I was startled to read last night how high their average sales per store are, that's a home run in the restaurant business which is experiencing difficult times.

                              1. re: Boston_Otter

                                I respect your point of view.

                                1. re: Boston_Otter

                                  Unable to respect peoples religious beliefs?

                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                    That's not nice. Obviously he meant unable to "disconnect my social views from my appetite."

                                    C'mon.

                                    1. re: carolinadawg

                                      Perhaps I responded to the wrong comment, my response was more in respect to the comment above the one I responded to;

                                      "Because of their COO's extremely political public statements and their company's public and financial support of discrimination laws."

                                      To the best of my knowledge, and again I really don't follow this stuff, the COO's comments have entirely been faith based on their religious belief's. I do not believe they EVER professed anti-gay agenda or employment practices. I believe the whole thing erupted over the fact the COO said they do not support gay marriage as it's against their religious belief's.

                                      So yes Dawg, perhaps my comment was misplaced, but that was the reasoning behind it. If I'm wrong with regard to Cick-Fil-A's stance, then I might revise my statement, but if it is as I understand it, strictly a religious belief thing, then I truly believe we should all respect that.

                                      Just as I'm Christian/Catholic and while traditionally "gay or homosexual" lifestyle is against most Catholic practices (especially prior to Pope Frankie) I have always respected any individuals life/lifestyle. Live and let Live.

                                      Just my $.02, didn't mean to "pick on" Boston Otter, my apologies if it came across that way.

                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                        Its a two way street...Chick-fil-a has their right to support anti-gay marriage initiatives and Boston Otter has his right to not support Chick-fil-A.

                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                            So you agree Boston Otter has the right to not support CFA, but when he does so he doesn't "respect other peoples religious beliefs"? I'm confused...

                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                              I believe Boston Otter, You, me, Veggo the entire world has the right to support or not support whomever you wish.

                                              I just believe we shouldn't hold corporations or business's to blame for following policies that reflect the owners religious belief's. If their policies offend you, and you don't want to support them, that's fine, but don't begrudge them their right to follow their faith.

                                              I also believe there is a fine line between hiding behind religious belief's and actually following your faith, however I don't think anyone can question CFA's religious convictions.

                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                Isn't "boycotting" (for lack of a better term) equivalent to "holding them to blame"? I guess I don't understand the distinction.

                                                In regard to your last sentence, none of us have any idea what is in other peoples minds, so we also have no idea whether one's stated religious beliefs are real or not.

                                                1. re: carolinadawg

                                                  I'm basing that last sentence on the fact they admittedly keep their stores closed on Sunday's in observance of a day of rest/sabbath. I'm sure they loose a substantial amount of revenue by making this conscious decision in accordance with their religious belief.

                                                2. re: jrvedivici

                                                  As I say, it has absolutely nothing to do with the owner's religious beliefs. It has everything to do with the Chief Operating Officer (not the owner) deciding that their company policy is to politically and financially support campaigns against same-sex marriage. By making it a company policy, it's way beyond a person's faith or religion.

                                                  1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                    Boston, I was just trying to explain my stance to Carolinadawg, not arguing your point. But since you have responded to that post let me please clarify a few things for you. The person who made the comments were Dan T. Cathy, the COO & President of the company. He is the son of the founder S. Truett Cathy, so for all intent and purposes he is the "owner" of the company. It is a family owned business so I don't know the exact amount he owns, but I think it is safe to say or represent him as the owner.

                                                    If you don't mind explaining to me what did they make "company policy"? I'm not aware of anything being made into policy, can you further that?

                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                      Chick-Fil-A established a tax-free charity wing (the WinShape Foundation) that used Chick-Fil-A company profits to donate millions of dollars to support political groups and organizations that oppose same-sex marriage.

                                                      That has absolutely nothing to do with religious tolerance and everything to do with intolerance, and I don't want the purchase of a chicken sandwich to help fund it.

                                                      1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                        Again I have no dog in this fight, but because of the various conversations I've done some reading. This is what I find regarding WinShape;

                                                        "Tax filings for 2012 showed that Chick-fil-A created a new foundation, the Chick-fil-A Foundation, to grant to outside groups. It funded only one previous group, Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Other filings for WinShape Foundation showed no funding for groups opposed to LGBT rights.[2]"

                                                        Regarding your first topic;
                                                        "Chick-Fil-A established a tax-free charity wing (the WinShape Foundation) that used Chick-Fil-A company profits to donate millions of dollars to support political groups and organizations that oppose same-sex marriage."

                                                        Again, the topic they oppose by your own quote is "same-sex marriage", not same sex people or relationships. It's the term "marriage" that is the lightening rod for many of the religious. Long before marriage became a legal institution that now dictates who is or isn't considered a spouse and all the rights that are entitled to married couples, marriage origins is of a religious sacrament.

                                                        If you can show me where Chick-Fil-A has created any policy that discriminates against serving gay people, employing gay people or bashing gay people in any way, I will 100% completely agree with you and everyone who boycotts them. For me it's the slippery slope of gay-marriage where I cut the deeply religious some slack. To my understanding even gay people don't want to get married because it's in the eye's of the church (I'm sure there are some who would appreciate that), but it's my understanding the gay marriage issue is driven by the legal benefits of being married by law, not religion.

                                                        So we can agree to disagree on how we view Chick-Fil-A, I continue to respect your opinion(s) as I hope you do mine.

                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                          You have an amazing ability to compartmentalize.

                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                            Chik-Fil-A has never, to my knowledge, discriminated against serving or employing gay people.

                                                            But since it's an established fact that they, as a corporation, donated millions of dollars to try to reverse existing same-sex marriage laws, I don't know why anyone would give them one cent of their own money to help continue that fight. Unless they agree with it, of course.

                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                              While we keep using Chick-Fil-A as the example for the discussion, the topic is really getting a little "off topic" for the subject of the thread, so I'm going to cease the exchange with you along this line.

                                                              I just ask that you don't take anything I have said here, or anywhere for that matter, as a personal attack or view against gay rights or marriage.

                                                              Peace Out Otter!!

                                                      2. re: Boston_Otter

                                                        This is a private company, are your feelings the same about Little Debbie which is family owned as well and is 7th Day Adventist based with very devout beliefs and is also a Christian based church.

                                                        1. re: treb

                                                          Boston Otter has made it clear that this has nothing to do with his views regarding anyone else's religious beliefs.

                                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9708...

                                                          1. re: treb

                                                            Treb: I am totally cool with any company or company owner's religious beliefs. I think it's awesome that In-N-Out puts Bible verses on their cups. I think it's great that Chik-fil-A closes on Sundays and a local Jewish-owned retailer near me closes on Saturdays. I worked with Smuckers for years -- they're deeply religious.

                                                            This has nothing to do with religion.

                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                              So the COO's belief about marriage is not religious.

                                                              1. re: treb

                                                                It doesn't matter if his business decisions are faith-based or because he personally thinks gay stuff is gross. The end result is that his business has been giving millions of dollars to try to reverse existing same-sex marriage laws, which is what I cannot support.

                                                                1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                  Perhaps, Otter, you could just take solace in knowing that he is engaged in a Sisyphusian task.

                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                    And a feckless waste of money.

                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                      Oh, absolutely, MGZ. He's on the wrong side of history, that's clear. Chik-Fil-A is a very smart company with a very smart menu and business. It's a shame that they engender a lot of bad PR by doing things like this or suing a kale farmer in Vermont for making shirts that say EAT MORE KALE.

                                                                    2. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                      I understand and respect your personal opinion, We all have our opinions about many things. As for businesses donating to various organizations, I shutter to think of the possibilities of what funds go where. I just look at business as creators of jobs and providing employment.

                                                                      1. re: treb

                                                                        But businesses are much more than that. They are also providers of goods and services, payers of taxes (sometimes) and generators of profit. And they get to choose what to do with those profits. And individuals get to choose whether or not they wish to contribute their own money to those profits.

                                                                        1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                          Well, right, and I made this argument previously but I'll say it again, you don't know what every business is doing with their profits, especially small business. The chances that you currently support a business with an owner that has some viewpoint that doesn't agree with yours is pretty much certain. To each their own and I respect your's and other's opinions that are the same as yours, but that is my argument against it. I just think one's personal beliefs should be separate and not play a role in the business factor and whether I choose to patronize that business.

                                                                          1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                            But you're working from the premise that you don't know how a particular business owner feels about things that are important to you. None of us our mind readers (at least I think so '-)), but if somebody puts their opinion/belief out there for the entire world to know, then they will have to deal with the consequences.

                                                                            As in people choosing whether to patronize their business or not.

                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                              I understand that, and I realize for some that knowing makes all the difference. I just find it unfortunate that any of these opinions/beliefs are even made public to begin with. I wish they weren't.

                                                                              1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                Eh. I'd rather people be honest than pretend.

                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                  I'm not asking them to lie to me or pretend, I'd just rather they say nothing and not state an opinion either way. I do agree though that if they chose to state an opinion, that potential back lash is their's to own

                                                                                  1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                    I think this is the right approach. We don't know how most companies spend their $$. Plenty of companies or their franchisees no doubt sponsor local Boy Scout troops and I certainly don't like some of their current policies.

                                                                                    So just serve us the chicken and go about your business.

                                                      3. re: carolinadawg

                                                        Amen. Amazing how its so wrong and one sided if one does not follow the "other" line.

                                                      4. re: jrvedivici

                                                        I am 100% for their COO expressing his personal beliefs. I have absolutely no issue with that at all.

                                                        But when their COO states repeatedly that their company's policy is that they do not support same-sex marriage, and their company politically and financially supports efforts to eliminate it, I feel that goes waaaay beyond "live and let live" or an individual's personal beliefs. And I do not have to respect their company on the basis of 'religious beliefs'.

                                                        1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                          First let me again apologize if it seemed I attacked your comment in anyway, as explained it was kind of a combined response between your two posts.

                                                          I have since googled this just to make sure my understanding wasn't too off base and actually found a lot of interesting facts. I'm not going to sit here and try to debate anything with you I will just supply the link, only thing I would like to note is it seems they have stopped financially supporting any anti-same sex marriage.

                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fi...

                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                            No worries. And there's no debate needed; they've stated their stance, and other people have stated theirs.

                                                            The tricky thing is that they publicly said that they stopped supporting anti-same-sex-marriage campaigns and made a big deal of saying "we're not political, we just make chicken". But then their COO said the exact opposite. So it's still sort of sketchy.

                                                            Frankly, since the only Chik-fil-A's in my neck of the woods are in airports, and Popeyes has a way tastier chicken sandwich anyway, not eating there isn't a big sacrifice ;)

                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                              Between my local Roy Rogers, Popeyes, and the Chinese chicken wings, I have no reason to patronize Chik-fil-A OR KFC, that latter of which I find inedible.

                                                              1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                I wish I were closer to a Popeye's. Good red beans and rice, good biscuits, good spicy poultry.

                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                  I'm real close to a Popeye's and drive by it to get to CFA. The only things I like at Popeye's are the biscuits.

                                                                  1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                    Have you tried Popeyes onion rings? They're sublime. They hate having to make them because they have to make them fresh. For anyone who likes French onion soup, they're on the same level of unctuous onionness.

                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                      "unctuous onionness" - I like that!

                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                        Unctuous Onionness -- Man! I was into them before anyone else and I have all their CDs.

                                                                      2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                        Forgot about the onion rings, very good, the chicken is ok, beans and rice I do not like.

                                                                    2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                      Lucky bastard to have a Roy Rogers "local" to you. They have/had the best fried chicken. (It's been close to 20 years since I've had it)

                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                        I grew up eating Pappy Parker's Fried Chicken at Hot Shoppes, before they became Marriot and created the Roy Rogers brand. To me, Roy Rogers fried chicken tastes like my childhood in DC circa 1970.

                                                                        1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                          marriot didn't create roy rogers, they bought them, and then mismanaged them and left roy's a shadow of what it was. on a happy note, roy's is starting to open new restaurants.

                                                                          1. re: Vidute

                                                                            Hope they re-open one around my way!

                                                                            1. re: Vidute

                                                                              Actually, Marriot founded the Roy Rogers chain to replace their Hot Shoppes Jr franchise. They licensed the name from Roy Rogers and actually bought/converted the old Gino's chain. They were actually quite successful, but Marriot decided to divest of its fast food wing in the 1990s and focus on their more profitable hotel chains. It was Hardees who purchased/converted/ruined the Roy Rogers brand. The brand relaunched under new ownership in 2002 and has expanded to 50 restaurants, down from a peak of 313 in 1990.

                                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Roge...

                                                                              1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                Your right, we had a Gino's for years then it became a Roy Rogers.

                                                                                Our Roy Rogers went on to become a Boston Market & then a McDonalds,

                                                                                1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                  Does Roy Rogers still have that horseradish sauce? I don't know why but I remember being addicted to that stuff, dippin my chicken in that sauce. That and their bbq sauce were very good. Their other draw was roast beef sandwich's similar to Hardee's correct?

                                                                                  I think it was Roy Rogers that had the automatic slicers behind the counter when you walked in slicing he roast beef. Anyone confirm that memory for me?

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    Roy Rogers still has the "Fixins Bar" complete with "horsie sauce" as well as their BBQ sauce. They also have little packets of Texas Pete. And their roast beef is still real roast beef, with real sinew, unlike the processed gelatinized beef product at Arbys. They serve roast beef sliders as well. And if there's a better chain chicken sandwich than their Gold Rush Chicken Sandwich, I haven't had it.

                                                                                    http://www.grubgrade.com/reviews/fast...

                                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                      Ha! Nice......kind of funny too that the article is spot on topic for this thread, CFA vs. Roy Rogers. I know there are still a few in NJ, one day I'll have to take my son on a road trip to visit a nostalgic fast food part of my youth.

                                                                                      *Arby's not Hardee's I stand corrected.

                                                                                    2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                      here's roy's history. according to their website, roy's has been family owned for the last two decades with the children buying roys in 1998

                                                                                      http://www.royrogersrestaurants.com/c...

                                                                                2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                  Roy Rogers ruled. Lost ours about 20 yrs ago too. Completely out classed KFC. Popeyes is a close second to Roy's.

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    Jr, there is a Roy Rogers on Rt 9 in Beachwood. You can be there in 10 minutes!

                                                                                    1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                      I have heard rumor's of this location, but similar to the Big Foot cave or the Jersey Devils hideout, I thought it was urban legend and I wasn't going to be fooled again!!!

                                                                                      I make it my goal to visit this location over the summer during one of my excursions south. I shall report of my findings!!

                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                        Lol. No worries Helgi, Valhalla exists!

                                                                                  2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                    Years back we had a Roy Rogers .....Damn good chicken!!!!

                                                                                    1. re: Tom34

                                                                                      Never managed to get to a Roy Rogers, but I do miss Kenny Rogers. I always liked to imagine that Kenny would secretly visit his stores, humming to himself...

                                                                                      "I just dropped in to see what condition my chicken was in..."

                                                                                      1. re: Tripeler

                                                                                        kenny's definitely was better than boston market. i especially loved the cranberry sauce.

                                                                        1. re: jpc8015

                                                                          Thanks! I always like being prayed for.

                                                                          1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                            Me too, and what I like best of all is people praying for me without announcing that fact.

                                                                            I will say that I do the lovingkindness meditation for difficult people (including those who announce they are praying for others).

                                                                            1. re: foiegras

                                                                              I will still pray for you.

                                                                              1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                <I will still pray for you.>

                                                                                With all due respect, you probably should not pray for someone unless you know that person wants/welcomes that. You may think you mean well, and you may think you are doing them a favor, but it can come across as bad taste and insensitive.

                                                                                Just remember about the Mormon posthumous baptism of holocaust Jews (and others).

                                                                                http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/r...

                                                                                If people don't want to be prayed for, then don't. Respect their wishes.

                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                  CK with all due respect to you my friend, I think your theory is rather far reaching. If someone is praying for another person, weather it be go their God, Allah, Buddha or for an Atheist their inner self. Prayer is a private moment, when you pray especially for another person they don't get an email or a letter in the mail stating "You have been prayed for", it's part of a persons spirituality to pray for one in other. You are not suppose to pray for someone for what you feel you are going to receive in return from that person, you pray to pray.

                                                                                  I don't see anyone in this thread that said the objected to being prayed for, as the matter of fact the recipient of the prayer you are answering to foeigras specifically states; " what I like best of all is people praying for me without announcing that fact." so I"m unsure why you are chastising jpc8015.

                                                                                  According to your theory if I pray for those 300+- Nigerian School Girls who were abducted, I shouldn't do it because I don't know if I'm disrespecting their respective religious perspectives? Nah Ck I'm going to have to part way's with you on this one my friend.

                                                                                  I'll agree if you pray for someone you shouldn't feel the need to announce it, that kind of defeats the purpose of prayer, but to not pray for someone out of fear you might offend them? I'll take that risk. I'll go so far as to say I think the world could use a hell of a lot MORE people praying for each other than not.

                                                                                  I will also say, I will accept anyone's prayers for my sorry ass.

                                                                                  Peace!!

                                                                                  (I would say I'll pray for you CK but I don't want to risk offending you so I'll just do it silently.....shhhhhhhhh)

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    jrvedivici,

                                                                                    If you think the people who you prayed for would welcome it (like your example of Nigerian School), then go ahead. In order words, if they share your value. What I said is that if you know the other person do not want to prayed for, and have asked you not to, then don't.

                                                                                    I shall quote myself:

                                                                                    <If people don't want to be prayed for, then don't. Respect their wishes.>

                                                                                    I know plenty of people who prayed for something which others do not want to be prayed for. They don't share the same value, such as praying for someone because of he is gay.

                                                                                    Sometime people do things which they think are generous (pray or other forms), but these certain things can be very offensive. People should respect each others.

                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                      And in some cases, it's just a way of being passive-aggressive.

                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                        I take comfort in my belief that no one is listening to certain types of prayers ;)

                                                                                        I read something recently about saying "I'll pray for you" that I thought was absolutely spot-on. Let me find it ... here we go.

                                                                                        '“I’ll pray for you” is condescending. It is putting the person down and it is ELEVATING the person who says it. It means “I know what is best for you and you are hopeless – I’ll ask God to open your eyes so you don’t land in hell forever.” It’s a BIG power play and a serious put-down. It’s one of the most offensive things I’ve EVER heard .... It really is a hostile move. Truly.'

                                                                                        1. re: foiegras

                                                                                          While intentions may be pure, there is nothing worse then being in the ICU and receiving mass cards and prayer cards and visitors praying for you when you are an atheist.

                                                                                          I had to do an intervention with someone that would send mass cards to everyone for every holiday, birthday or life challenge. They were well intentioned, but had no idea how uncomfortable those cards made people.

                                                                                          1. re: foiegras

                                                                                            It is definitely condescending when the other person does not want to be prayed for. For example, if A and B have a disagreement, and then A said "I will pray for you (for your sinful way)."

                                                                                            Not only I am saying that I know what is right (we all do that) and what is best for you (many of us do that too), but now I am trying to exert some magical/biblical power to change your mind (that is just poor taste).

                                                                                            I am not saying all prays are bad. If you want to pray for someone to reduce their suffering or their pan or to have enough to eat, then it is a bad thing. However, please do not pray for some higher power against someone's wish or someone's choice (let it be Christian God or pagan god or ancient witchcraft).

                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                              typo, sorry:

                                                                                              If you want to pray for someone to reduce their suffering or their pains or to have enough to eat, then it is NOT a bad thing.

                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                I am a lapsed Catholic/agnostic and no longer attend services. If people want to pray for me, for my health, or that I regain my faith or because they think I am going to hell, they should feel free. No skin off my teeth.

                                                                                                1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                  That is probably because you are a very understanding person who is/was a Catholic. Other people may have gone through more difficult things than you and I have.

                                                                                                  For all the straight people out there like me, what do you think if someone is praying for you to be turn gay? I will say that it is offensive or at the very least in bad taste. Now, what do think it is like for gay people to have these prays (in reverse)?

                                                                                                  I am not saying that people should not pray. I am just saying that we should be mindful about praying against someone's wishes or decisions.

                                                                                                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                    Since someone praying or not praying for something to happen (to someone else, or generally) doesn't change on damn thing, I couldn't possibly care less.

                                                                                                    Go waste your own time and pray away. No water off my back.

                                                                                                  2. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                    Please Jersey, don't let other people pray for you. It can be really dangerous. They might be praying to the wrong god, after all. Or maybe just the wrong one of the lesser deities or saints. My Grandmother used to confuse Saint Christopher with Saint Michael frequently, and she almost never could find lost stuff.

                                                                                                    Besides, what if they get the words wrong or mumble? You wind up with colds all winter, but a lovely new fireplace. What if they go with "Lord's Prayer" when anybody could see the better choice would have been "Hail Mary"? What if Allah or Jahweh thinks they are assholes and does the opposite of what they ask for. It might mean skin having to be grafted off your ass to replace that on your teeth - at least a really bad rash.

                                                                                                    Think of it like hiring a lawyer. You should know what they're going to say - have some part in your own defense. Make sure the guy is competent - a member in good standing of the bar. You don't want a lawyer who's got baggage, goes to the wrong courthouse, or recently f*cked over the judge either. I'll have to look, but there may be an Angie's List kinda thing to turn to.

                                                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                      When I was a teenager I had a boob fixation. I would pray to God for a lifetime full of beautiful breasts. Now as a 44 year old out of shape man, I realize the Lord does work in very mysterious ways. I certainly can't say my prayers weren't answered, I just see now I should have specified the lifetime of boob's actually being on a woman instead of myself.

                                                                                                      Perhaps, I should take your advice and have an attorney review my prayers. The devil is in the details as they say.

                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                        This is getting really far afield from anything to do with food or even Chik-Fil-A's religious beliefs. Can we ask that people let this tangent go, please? Thanks.