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Chick-fil-A kickin' the Colonels butt

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Chick -fil-A is now $5 billion in sales, @ $3.2 million per store, vs. $4.22B for KFC @ $938K per store. Chick-fil-A has more than three times the sales per unit. And they are not open on Sundays!
We have a new leader in the henhouse.

  1. I dined there this afternoon. The wifeacita and I each had a piece on a toothpick at the local mall. Details tomorrow, after this break from our sponsors.

    1. < shrugs> I like their chicken sandwiches.

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      1. re: Jerseygirl111

        So did I. Until they made the news a year or so ago.

        1. re: L2k

          Yes, there is a huge thread elsewhere on CH that debates the morality of patronizing the chain if you disagree with their politics.

          It is a highly personal and difficult decision. I have since concluded that if I stopped purchasing products because I disagree with corporate practices, I would not be able to use Firefox (CEO antigay) my ipad and iphone (worker treatment in China, outsourcing) eat ChickfilA or Barilla (antigay) live in my home (Bank of America mortgage), banking (Wall St) and on and on.

          1. re: Jerseygirl111

            You have a point. If your point is that it's all or nothing at all.

            1. re: linguafood

              Lingua, nahh. Just saying for me, it was something I struggled with, to eat or not to eat due to the politics. When I started thinking about it, I realized it was not just chickfila.

              Everyone needs to make their own choices in life.

              1. re: Jerseygirl111

                Oh, fer sure. Having had the sandwich & finding it to be mediocre at best, it's not even worth consideration for me.

                1. re: linguafood

                  Yeh when you don't care for whatever it is, it is much easier to boycott it.

            2. re: Jerseygirl111

              President Obama was publicly antigay marriage the same time the exceo of Firefox was. Should he be fired also for holding the same belief?

              1. re: beteez

                No one was fired for "holding beliefs." You're confused.

                1. re: Bob W

                  Right. He was forced out of his position because he gave a token contribution to a political cause that most of the voters in California agreed with. That is so much better.

                  1. re: jpc8015

                    I think you mean that is so much worse.

                    1. re: calumin

                      Indeed. I was using a bit of sarcasm there.

        2. Their chicken tastes a lot better than KFC.

          1. So I'll just cut to the chase here and ask the question; Does this mean the public is willing to leave their religious and political belief's at the door to enjoy some good chicken?

            Or is this just a sign of an incredibly weak segment of the market and it's the winner of the losers category? (I don't follow the fast food chicken market enough to know if 5 billion is a respectable number or just the highest of an industry in decline)

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            1. re: jrvedivici

              I suspect a lot of their customers don't have to check their religious and political beliefs at the door when they visit Chick-fil-A.

              Their sales are growing rapidly, by the way. Same store sales up 8% in 2012 vs. 2011, for example.

              1. re: jrvedivici

                Or perhaps it is an indication that the number of those who eat fast food and hold political beliefs that are in line with the beliefs of Chick-fil-A's founders are greater than what the mainstream media wants the public to believe?

                1. re: janniecooks

                  Could be. That's basically what I was saying. No need to check their beliefs at the door since they share those beliefs.

                  Plus, the chicken is ridiculously good.

                  1. re: jrvedivici

                    I think the numbers would say yes the public is willing to leave their beliefs at the door.

                    Past visits to KFC over the years were disappointing to me.

                    Take Popeyes over either any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

                    1. re: jrvedivici

                      Many people aren't willing to put it on the line for their beliefs, in my opinion. Then there are those who agree with Chick-fil-a, and then there are those who don't give a damn. Obviously the majority aren't personally affected, and a lot of people aren't willing to make any change at all in moral support of a group they aren't members of. At least, that is my impression.

                      My own view is that it's a small sacrifice to make in support of human rights. I ate Chick-fil-a for many years, and it is good chicken, but not great chicken. (Let me be clear, though--I'd be doing the same thing if it were great chicken. It's hardly the only restaurant in town.) I am well able to feed myself without it.

                      When the boycott came up in conversation with my brother, I could see him giving it consideration, and then he said that he wasn't sure how he would eat when he's on the road without it. I get that. I am never in the position of Chick-fil-a being the only recognizable, certifiably edible, sort-of-healthy food around.

                    2. That's a real shame. The last thing I want to hear is how well their company's doing.

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                        1. re: treb

                          Because of their COO's extremely political public statements and their company's public and financial support of discrimination laws.

                          1. re: Boston_Otter

                            I disconnect my social views from my appetite. I like the Chick-fil-A sandwich, without the pickle. I was startled to read last night how high their average sales per store are, that's a home run in the restaurant business which is experiencing difficult times.

                              1. re: Boston_Otter

                                I respect your point of view.

                                1. re: Boston_Otter

                                  Unable to respect peoples religious beliefs?

                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                    That's not nice. Obviously he meant unable to "disconnect my social views from my appetite."

                                    C'mon.

                                    1. re: carolinadawg

                                      Perhaps I responded to the wrong comment, my response was more in respect to the comment above the one I responded to;

                                      "Because of their COO's extremely political public statements and their company's public and financial support of discrimination laws."

                                      To the best of my knowledge, and again I really don't follow this stuff, the COO's comments have entirely been faith based on their religious belief's. I do not believe they EVER professed anti-gay agenda or employment practices. I believe the whole thing erupted over the fact the COO said they do not support gay marriage as it's against their religious belief's.

                                      So yes Dawg, perhaps my comment was misplaced, but that was the reasoning behind it. If I'm wrong with regard to Cick-Fil-A's stance, then I might revise my statement, but if it is as I understand it, strictly a religious belief thing, then I truly believe we should all respect that.

                                      Just as I'm Christian/Catholic and while traditionally "gay or homosexual" lifestyle is against most Catholic practices (especially prior to Pope Frankie) I have always respected any individuals life/lifestyle. Live and let Live.

                                      Just my $.02, didn't mean to "pick on" Boston Otter, my apologies if it came across that way.

                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                        Its a two way street...Chick-fil-a has their right to support anti-gay marriage initiatives and Boston Otter has his right to not support Chick-fil-A.

                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                            So you agree Boston Otter has the right to not support CFA, but when he does so he doesn't "respect other peoples religious beliefs"? I'm confused...

                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                              I believe Boston Otter, You, me, Veggo the entire world has the right to support or not support whomever you wish.

                                              I just believe we shouldn't hold corporations or business's to blame for following policies that reflect the owners religious belief's. If their policies offend you, and you don't want to support them, that's fine, but don't begrudge them their right to follow their faith.

                                              I also believe there is a fine line between hiding behind religious belief's and actually following your faith, however I don't think anyone can question CFA's religious convictions.

                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                Isn't "boycotting" (for lack of a better term) equivalent to "holding them to blame"? I guess I don't understand the distinction.

                                                In regard to your last sentence, none of us have any idea what is in other peoples minds, so we also have no idea whether one's stated religious beliefs are real or not.

                                                1. re: carolinadawg

                                                  I'm basing that last sentence on the fact they admittedly keep their stores closed on Sunday's in observance of a day of rest/sabbath. I'm sure they loose a substantial amount of revenue by making this conscious decision in accordance with their religious belief.

                                                2. re: jrvedivici

                                                  As I say, it has absolutely nothing to do with the owner's religious beliefs. It has everything to do with the Chief Operating Officer (not the owner) deciding that their company policy is to politically and financially support campaigns against same-sex marriage. By making it a company policy, it's way beyond a person's faith or religion.

                                                  1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                    Boston, I was just trying to explain my stance to Carolinadawg, not arguing your point. But since you have responded to that post let me please clarify a few things for you. The person who made the comments were Dan T. Cathy, the COO & President of the company. He is the son of the founder S. Truett Cathy, so for all intent and purposes he is the "owner" of the company. It is a family owned business so I don't know the exact amount he owns, but I think it is safe to say or represent him as the owner.

                                                    If you don't mind explaining to me what did they make "company policy"? I'm not aware of anything being made into policy, can you further that?

                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                      Chick-Fil-A established a tax-free charity wing (the WinShape Foundation) that used Chick-Fil-A company profits to donate millions of dollars to support political groups and organizations that oppose same-sex marriage.

                                                      That has absolutely nothing to do with religious tolerance and everything to do with intolerance, and I don't want the purchase of a chicken sandwich to help fund it.

                                                      1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                        Again I have no dog in this fight, but because of the various conversations I've done some reading. This is what I find regarding WinShape;

                                                        "Tax filings for 2012 showed that Chick-fil-A created a new foundation, the Chick-fil-A Foundation, to grant to outside groups. It funded only one previous group, Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Other filings for WinShape Foundation showed no funding for groups opposed to LGBT rights.[2]"

                                                        Regarding your first topic;
                                                        "Chick-Fil-A established a tax-free charity wing (the WinShape Foundation) that used Chick-Fil-A company profits to donate millions of dollars to support political groups and organizations that oppose same-sex marriage."

                                                        Again, the topic they oppose by your own quote is "same-sex marriage", not same sex people or relationships. It's the term "marriage" that is the lightening rod for many of the religious. Long before marriage became a legal institution that now dictates who is or isn't considered a spouse and all the rights that are entitled to married couples, marriage origins is of a religious sacrament.

                                                        If you can show me where Chick-Fil-A has created any policy that discriminates against serving gay people, employing gay people or bashing gay people in any way, I will 100% completely agree with you and everyone who boycotts them. For me it's the slippery slope of gay-marriage where I cut the deeply religious some slack. To my understanding even gay people don't want to get married because it's in the eye's of the church (I'm sure there are some who would appreciate that), but it's my understanding the gay marriage issue is driven by the legal benefits of being married by law, not religion.

                                                        So we can agree to disagree on how we view Chick-Fil-A, I continue to respect your opinion(s) as I hope you do mine.

                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                          You have an amazing ability to compartmentalize.

                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                            Chik-Fil-A has never, to my knowledge, discriminated against serving or employing gay people.

                                                            But since it's an established fact that they, as a corporation, donated millions of dollars to try to reverse existing same-sex marriage laws, I don't know why anyone would give them one cent of their own money to help continue that fight. Unless they agree with it, of course.

                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                              While we keep using Chick-Fil-A as the example for the discussion, the topic is really getting a little "off topic" for the subject of the thread, so I'm going to cease the exchange with you along this line.

                                                              I just ask that you don't take anything I have said here, or anywhere for that matter, as a personal attack or view against gay rights or marriage.

                                                              Peace Out Otter!!

                                                      2. re: Boston_Otter

                                                        This is a private company, are your feelings the same about Little Debbie which is family owned as well and is 7th Day Adventist based with very devout beliefs and is also a Christian based church.

                                                        1. re: treb

                                                          Boston Otter has made it clear that this has nothing to do with his views regarding anyone else's religious beliefs.

                                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9708...

                                                          1. re: treb

                                                            Treb: I am totally cool with any company or company owner's religious beliefs. I think it's awesome that In-N-Out puts Bible verses on their cups. I think it's great that Chik-fil-A closes on Sundays and a local Jewish-owned retailer near me closes on Saturdays. I worked with Smuckers for years -- they're deeply religious.

                                                            This has nothing to do with religion.

                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                              So the COO's belief about marriage is not religious.

                                                              1. re: treb

                                                                It doesn't matter if his business decisions are faith-based or because he personally thinks gay stuff is gross. The end result is that his business has been giving millions of dollars to try to reverse existing same-sex marriage laws, which is what I cannot support.

                                                                1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                  Perhaps, Otter, you could just take solace in knowing that he is engaged in a Sisyphusian task.

                                                                  1. re: MGZ

                                                                    And a feckless waste of money.

                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                      Oh, absolutely, MGZ. He's on the wrong side of history, that's clear. Chik-Fil-A is a very smart company with a very smart menu and business. It's a shame that they engender a lot of bad PR by doing things like this or suing a kale farmer in Vermont for making shirts that say EAT MORE KALE.

                                                                    2. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                      I understand and respect your personal opinion, We all have our opinions about many things. As for businesses donating to various organizations, I shutter to think of the possibilities of what funds go where. I just look at business as creators of jobs and providing employment.

                                                                      1. re: treb

                                                                        But businesses are much more than that. They are also providers of goods and services, payers of taxes (sometimes) and generators of profit. And they get to choose what to do with those profits. And individuals get to choose whether or not they wish to contribute their own money to those profits.

                                                                        1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                          Well, right, and I made this argument previously but I'll say it again, you don't know what every business is doing with their profits, especially small business. The chances that you currently support a business with an owner that has some viewpoint that doesn't agree with yours is pretty much certain. To each their own and I respect your's and other's opinions that are the same as yours, but that is my argument against it. I just think one's personal beliefs should be separate and not play a role in the business factor and whether I choose to patronize that business.

                                                                          1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                            But you're working from the premise that you don't know how a particular business owner feels about things that are important to you. None of us our mind readers (at least I think so '-)), but if somebody puts their opinion/belief out there for the entire world to know, then they will have to deal with the consequences.

                                                                            As in people choosing whether to patronize their business or not.

                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                              I understand that, and I realize for some that knowing makes all the difference. I just find it unfortunate that any of these opinions/beliefs are even made public to begin with. I wish they weren't.

                                                                              1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                Eh. I'd rather people be honest than pretend.

                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                  I'm not asking them to lie to me or pretend, I'd just rather they say nothing and not state an opinion either way. I do agree though that if they chose to state an opinion, that potential back lash is their's to own

                                                                                  1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                    I think this is the right approach. We don't know how most companies spend their $$. Plenty of companies or their franchisees no doubt sponsor local Boy Scout troops and I certainly don't like some of their current policies.

                                                                                    So just serve us the chicken and go about your business.

                                                      3. re: carolinadawg

                                                        Amen. Amazing how its so wrong and one sided if one does not follow the "other" line.

                                                      4. re: jrvedivici

                                                        I am 100% for their COO expressing his personal beliefs. I have absolutely no issue with that at all.

                                                        But when their COO states repeatedly that their company's policy is that they do not support same-sex marriage, and their company politically and financially supports efforts to eliminate it, I feel that goes waaaay beyond "live and let live" or an individual's personal beliefs. And I do not have to respect their company on the basis of 'religious beliefs'.

                                                        1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                          First let me again apologize if it seemed I attacked your comment in anyway, as explained it was kind of a combined response between your two posts.

                                                          I have since googled this just to make sure my understanding wasn't too off base and actually found a lot of interesting facts. I'm not going to sit here and try to debate anything with you I will just supply the link, only thing I would like to note is it seems they have stopped financially supporting any anti-same sex marriage.

                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fi...

                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                            No worries. And there's no debate needed; they've stated their stance, and other people have stated theirs.

                                                            The tricky thing is that they publicly said that they stopped supporting anti-same-sex-marriage campaigns and made a big deal of saying "we're not political, we just make chicken". But then their COO said the exact opposite. So it's still sort of sketchy.

                                                            Frankly, since the only Chik-fil-A's in my neck of the woods are in airports, and Popeyes has a way tastier chicken sandwich anyway, not eating there isn't a big sacrifice ;)

                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                              Between my local Roy Rogers, Popeyes, and the Chinese chicken wings, I have no reason to patronize Chik-fil-A OR KFC, that latter of which I find inedible.

                                                              1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                I wish I were closer to a Popeye's. Good red beans and rice, good biscuits, good spicy poultry.

                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                  I'm real close to a Popeye's and drive by it to get to CFA. The only things I like at Popeye's are the biscuits.

                                                                  1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                    Have you tried Popeyes onion rings? They're sublime. They hate having to make them because they have to make them fresh. For anyone who likes French onion soup, they're on the same level of unctuous onionness.

                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                      "unctuous onionness" - I like that!

                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                        Unctuous Onionness -- Man! I was into them before anyone else and I have all their CDs.

                                                                      2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                        Forgot about the onion rings, very good, the chicken is ok, beans and rice I do not like.

                                                                    2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                      Lucky bastard to have a Roy Rogers "local" to you. They have/had the best fried chicken. (It's been close to 20 years since I've had it)

                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                        I grew up eating Pappy Parker's Fried Chicken at Hot Shoppes, before they became Marriot and created the Roy Rogers brand. To me, Roy Rogers fried chicken tastes like my childhood in DC circa 1970.

                                                                        1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                          marriot didn't create roy rogers, they bought them, and then mismanaged them and left roy's a shadow of what it was. on a happy note, roy's is starting to open new restaurants.

                                                                          1. re: Vidute

                                                                            Hope they re-open one around my way!

                                                                            1. re: Vidute

                                                                              Actually, Marriot founded the Roy Rogers chain to replace their Hot Shoppes Jr franchise. They licensed the name from Roy Rogers and actually bought/converted the old Gino's chain. They were actually quite successful, but Marriot decided to divest of its fast food wing in the 1990s and focus on their more profitable hotel chains. It was Hardees who purchased/converted/ruined the Roy Rogers brand. The brand relaunched under new ownership in 2002 and has expanded to 50 restaurants, down from a peak of 313 in 1990.

                                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Roge...

                                                                              1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                Your right, we had a Gino's for years then it became a Roy Rogers.

                                                                                Our Roy Rogers went on to become a Boston Market & then a McDonalds,

                                                                                1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                  Does Roy Rogers still have that horseradish sauce? I don't know why but I remember being addicted to that stuff, dippin my chicken in that sauce. That and their bbq sauce were very good. Their other draw was roast beef sandwich's similar to Hardee's correct?

                                                                                  I think it was Roy Rogers that had the automatic slicers behind the counter when you walked in slicing he roast beef. Anyone confirm that memory for me?

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    Roy Rogers still has the "Fixins Bar" complete with "horsie sauce" as well as their BBQ sauce. They also have little packets of Texas Pete. And their roast beef is still real roast beef, with real sinew, unlike the processed gelatinized beef product at Arbys. They serve roast beef sliders as well. And if there's a better chain chicken sandwich than their Gold Rush Chicken Sandwich, I haven't had it.

                                                                                    http://www.grubgrade.com/reviews/fast...

                                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                      Ha! Nice......kind of funny too that the article is spot on topic for this thread, CFA vs. Roy Rogers. I know there are still a few in NJ, one day I'll have to take my son on a road trip to visit a nostalgic fast food part of my youth.

                                                                                      *Arby's not Hardee's I stand corrected.

                                                                                    2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                      here's roy's history. according to their website, roy's has been family owned for the last two decades with the children buying roys in 1998

                                                                                      http://www.royrogersrestaurants.com/c...

                                                                                2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                  Roy Rogers ruled. Lost ours about 20 yrs ago too. Completely out classed KFC. Popeyes is a close second to Roy's.

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    Jr, there is a Roy Rogers on Rt 9 in Beachwood. You can be there in 10 minutes!

                                                                                    1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                      I have heard rumor's of this location, but similar to the Big Foot cave or the Jersey Devils hideout, I thought it was urban legend and I wasn't going to be fooled again!!!

                                                                                      I make it my goal to visit this location over the summer during one of my excursions south. I shall report of my findings!!

                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                        Lol. No worries Helgi, Valhalla exists!

                                                                                  2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                    Years back we had a Roy Rogers .....Damn good chicken!!!!

                                                                                    1. re: Tom34

                                                                                      Never managed to get to a Roy Rogers, but I do miss Kenny Rogers. I always liked to imagine that Kenny would secretly visit his stores, humming to himself...

                                                                                      "I just dropped in to see what condition my chicken was in..."

                                                                                      1. re: Tripeler

                                                                                        kenny's definitely was better than boston market. i especially loved the cranberry sauce.

                                                                        1. re: jpc8015

                                                                          Thanks! I always like being prayed for.

                                                                          1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                            Me too, and what I like best of all is people praying for me without announcing that fact.

                                                                            I will say that I do the lovingkindness meditation for difficult people (including those who announce they are praying for others).

                                                                            1. re: foiegras

                                                                              I will still pray for you.

                                                                              1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                <I will still pray for you.>

                                                                                With all due respect, you probably should not pray for someone unless you know that person wants/welcomes that. You may think you mean well, and you may think you are doing them a favor, but it can come across as bad taste and insensitive.

                                                                                Just remember about the Mormon posthumous baptism of holocaust Jews (and others).

                                                                                http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/r...

                                                                                If people don't want to be prayed for, then don't. Respect their wishes.

                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                  CK with all due respect to you my friend, I think your theory is rather far reaching. If someone is praying for another person, weather it be go their God, Allah, Buddha or for an Atheist their inner self. Prayer is a private moment, when you pray especially for another person they don't get an email or a letter in the mail stating "You have been prayed for", it's part of a persons spirituality to pray for one in other. You are not suppose to pray for someone for what you feel you are going to receive in return from that person, you pray to pray.

                                                                                  I don't see anyone in this thread that said the objected to being prayed for, as the matter of fact the recipient of the prayer you are answering to foeigras specifically states; " what I like best of all is people praying for me without announcing that fact." so I"m unsure why you are chastising jpc8015.

                                                                                  According to your theory if I pray for those 300+- Nigerian School Girls who were abducted, I shouldn't do it because I don't know if I'm disrespecting their respective religious perspectives? Nah Ck I'm going to have to part way's with you on this one my friend.

                                                                                  I'll agree if you pray for someone you shouldn't feel the need to announce it, that kind of defeats the purpose of prayer, but to not pray for someone out of fear you might offend them? I'll take that risk. I'll go so far as to say I think the world could use a hell of a lot MORE people praying for each other than not.

                                                                                  I will also say, I will accept anyone's prayers for my sorry ass.

                                                                                  Peace!!

                                                                                  (I would say I'll pray for you CK but I don't want to risk offending you so I'll just do it silently.....shhhhhhhhh)

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    jrvedivici,

                                                                                    If you think the people who you prayed for would welcome it (like your example of Nigerian School), then go ahead. In order words, if they share your value. What I said is that if you know the other person do not want to prayed for, and have asked you not to, then don't.

                                                                                    I shall quote myself:

                                                                                    <If people don't want to be prayed for, then don't. Respect their wishes.>

                                                                                    I know plenty of people who prayed for something which others do not want to be prayed for. They don't share the same value, such as praying for someone because of he is gay.

                                                                                    Sometime people do things which they think are generous (pray or other forms), but these certain things can be very offensive. People should respect each others.

                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                      And in some cases, it's just a way of being passive-aggressive.

                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                        I take comfort in my belief that no one is listening to certain types of prayers ;)

                                                                                        I read something recently about saying "I'll pray for you" that I thought was absolutely spot-on. Let me find it ... here we go.

                                                                                        '“I’ll pray for you” is condescending. It is putting the person down and it is ELEVATING the person who says it. It means “I know what is best for you and you are hopeless – I’ll ask God to open your eyes so you don’t land in hell forever.” It’s a BIG power play and a serious put-down. It’s one of the most offensive things I’ve EVER heard .... It really is a hostile move. Truly.'

                                                                                        1. re: foiegras

                                                                                          While intentions may be pure, there is nothing worse then being in the ICU and receiving mass cards and prayer cards and visitors praying for you when you are an atheist.

                                                                                          I had to do an intervention with someone that would send mass cards to everyone for every holiday, birthday or life challenge. They were well intentioned, but had no idea how uncomfortable those cards made people.

                                                                                          1. re: foiegras

                                                                                            It is definitely condescending when the other person does not want to be prayed for. For example, if A and B have a disagreement, and then A said "I will pray for you (for your sinful way)."

                                                                                            Not only I am saying that I know what is right (we all do that) and what is best for you (many of us do that too), but now I am trying to exert some magical/biblical power to change your mind (that is just poor taste).

                                                                                            I am not saying all prays are bad. If you want to pray for someone to reduce their suffering or their pan or to have enough to eat, then it is a bad thing. However, please do not pray for some higher power against someone's wish or someone's choice (let it be Christian God or pagan god or ancient witchcraft).

                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                              typo, sorry:

                                                                                              If you want to pray for someone to reduce their suffering or their pains or to have enough to eat, then it is NOT a bad thing.

                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                I am a lapsed Catholic/agnostic and no longer attend services. If people want to pray for me, for my health, or that I regain my faith or because they think I am going to hell, they should feel free. No skin off my teeth.

                                                                                                1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                  That is probably because you are a very understanding person who is/was a Catholic. Other people may have gone through more difficult things than you and I have.

                                                                                                  For all the straight people out there like me, what do you think if someone is praying for you to be turn gay? I will say that it is offensive or at the very least in bad taste. Now, what do think it is like for gay people to have these prays (in reverse)?

                                                                                                  I am not saying that people should not pray. I am just saying that we should be mindful about praying against someone's wishes or decisions.

                                                                                                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                    Since someone praying or not praying for something to happen (to someone else, or generally) doesn't change on damn thing, I couldn't possibly care less.

                                                                                                    Go waste your own time and pray away. No water off my back.

                                                                                                  2. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                    Please Jersey, don't let other people pray for you. It can be really dangerous. They might be praying to the wrong god, after all. Or maybe just the wrong one of the lesser deities or saints. My Grandmother used to confuse Saint Christopher with Saint Michael frequently, and she almost never could find lost stuff.

                                                                                                    Besides, what if they get the words wrong or mumble? You wind up with colds all winter, but a lovely new fireplace. What if they go with "Lord's Prayer" when anybody could see the better choice would have been "Hail Mary"? What if Allah or Jahweh thinks they are assholes and does the opposite of what they ask for. It might mean skin having to be grafted off your ass to replace that on your teeth - at least a really bad rash.

                                                                                                    Think of it like hiring a lawyer. You should know what they're going to say - have some part in your own defense. Make sure the guy is competent - a member in good standing of the bar. You don't want a lawyer who's got baggage, goes to the wrong courthouse, or recently f*cked over the judge either. I'll have to look, but there may be an Angie's List kinda thing to turn to.

                                                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                      When I was a teenager I had a boob fixation. I would pray to God for a lifetime full of beautiful breasts. Now as a 44 year old out of shape man, I realize the Lord does work in very mysterious ways. I certainly can't say my prayers weren't answered, I just see now I should have specified the lifetime of boob's actually being on a woman instead of myself.

                                                                                                      Perhaps, I should take your advice and have an attorney review my prayers. The devil is in the details as they say.

                                                                                                      1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                        This is getting really far afield from anything to do with food or even Chik-Fil-A's religious beliefs. Can we ask that people let this tangent go, please? Thanks.

                                                                        2. Alright because of my previous post I had to do some research since I'm not a Chick-Fil-A customer, not for any reason other than I'm not a big food court person.

                                                                          However after my last post I did some research on their web site and it doesn't seem to me they serve any bone-in fried chicken. It seems vast majority of their menu are chicken filet sandwiches (yes I know the name). So although KFC is highly regarded as the King, or dare I say Colonel, of chicken sales are these two companies truly competitors?

                                                                          I don't think they really appeal to the same market. I think KFC is best judged against Popeye's or another bone in fried chicken chain. It seems to me Chick-Fil-A is kind of in a market all their own.

                                                                          Opinions?

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                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                            Agree completely, very different products. Oh, and they have lots of free-standing stores, at least around here in NC.

                                                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                              The only one around me is in the mall food court, I have probably had 5 or 6 chicken cheese-steaks over the 20 years I've lived in the area.

                                                                              1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                You got a chicken cheesesteak at Chik-fil-A? I've never seen that on the menu.

                                                                                1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                  Well as I said I do not go there very often at all, but I sure thought that's what I got. LOL To be perfectly honest I'm not sure......but I did think so. Do their menu's vary regionally? I won't insist I"m correct............I really don't know. (but I swear I think that's what I get)

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    The one by the Lowe's in Brick on Rt 70 is almost done. Pretty sure they only have chicken sandwiches, nuggets, wraps, salads, etc.

                                                                                    http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Food/Menu-...

                                                                                    1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                      Now I have to go to Monmouth Mall and see which of the food vendors have Chicken-Cheese Steak!!! It will be too funny if it's not Chick-Fil-A, then there is a good chance I have never eaten there. lmao.

                                                                                        1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                          Nathans has a chicken cheese steak, but Chick-Fil-A doesn't? Seriously? I've probably only eaten at Nathans 5-6 times in 20 years also, so is that where I've gotten my chicken cheese steak? I'm in shock!!

                                                                                          I think they are next to each other correct?

                                                                                            1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                              Hahahahaha too funny!! Well at least you know I wasn't trying to come off as a true supporter of theirs. That's too funny.....ok let me revise my earlier statement;

                                                                                              "I've probably only eaten at CFA 1 or 2 times in the 20 years I've lived in my area. I have no idea what I have had from them".

                                                                                              My apologies. Too friggin funny.

                                                                              2. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                We have lots of free standing stores in Houston, some with a double drive thru. Not only do they offer o good product, but they are incredibly fast, much quicker than any other chain.

                                                                            2. I'm sure their per unit sales have been higher than KFC for years, so its hardly a new phenomenon. Plus, as jr points out below, they have a very different core product.

                                                                              1. And still banned in boston!!!

                                                                                1. It is stunning what kind of crap people will eat on a regular basis. Stunning.

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                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                    Lingua, have you tried their chicken sandwich? The location nearest to you is at 1938 N. Atherton St. in State College.

                                                                                    1. re: Veggo

                                                                                      I have, b/c they sent out coupons for a free "sandwich" when they first opened.

                                                                                      It sucked ass, even for free. So.... yeah. Not happening again.

                                                                                      1. re: linguafood

                                                                                        I'm surprised by this. Obviously it's not gourmet fare, but for a fried chicken fast food sandwich, I don't think it can be beat. Did you get the spicy one or regular? :) the spicy one is where it's at!

                                                                                        1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                          I ask for no pickle, it guarantees a fresh sandwich.

                                                                                          1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                            Full disclosure: I don't eat at FF restaurants. In fact, I can't remember the last time I set foot in one save for using their restrooms.

                                                                                            I might make an exception for Popeye's if the only branch I've ever encountered weren't located in NYC. And there is no way in hell that I am wasting even a snack -- *even* on Popeye's, which is still chain FF -- when I'm in the city. I just couldn't. I'd be more likely to try Bon Chon Chicken instead, which would probably be better anyway.

                                                                                            I only went on this tangent to admit that I have no superior knowledge of The FF Chicken Sandwich, no comparison other than to some KFC I had about 20 years ago, so I am not the perfect judge of FF chicken sandwiches.

                                                                                            As far as *sandwiches* go, this was bland, dry & lukewarm, and on shitty bread to boot. So, even for free, this was a shitty chicken sandwich (which may or may not be superior to other FF chicken sandwiches).

                                                                                            But I'll never know :-)

                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                              Do you buy anything when you use the restroom, a drink perhaps so you're not using them for free? I always get something if I have to use them.

                                                                                              1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                Personally I think that is an unwritten rule. I will traditionally only stop in a fast food place to do #1, and when I do I'll purchase a small beverage.

                                                                                                If on the rare occasion I have to us the restroom for it's other purpose I feel that warrants a further purchase. Maybe a $1.00 burger or apple pie desert.

                                                                                                Having spent many years "on the road" visiting clients etc. I have a fairly good grasp on all of the 4-5 star hotels in my state. I prefer to use a hotel public rest room for my more important restroom stops. Just my personal preference.

                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                  That's just waaaayyyy too much information.

                                                                                                  1. re: carolinadawg

                                                                                                    Sorry, but at least I didn't confuse you with this post.

                                                                                                2. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                  Nope. And for the most part, I use rest stops / service areas that have several FF outlets. Do you suggest I buy an item at each of those because I'm using the restroom? Ha.

                                                                                                  1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                    If you go into a fast food franchise yes, but the rest area you describe we don't have here.

                                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                      Well there ya go.

                                                                                                      Or rather... I go there :-D

                                                                                                3. re: linguafood

                                                                                                  Fair enough! I'm also a big Popeyes fan, but I also have one close by to me. I try to only eat it once every couple of months, though. I like to go all out when I do, and I can't often justify 1000 calories for lunch.

                                                                                                  1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                    ....and close to double the sodium.

                                                                                                4. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                  Spicy or regular, it's still pressure-fried salted cardboard.
                                                                                                  I tried CFA when it came to the area several years before the company's bigotry came to light. Awful, on all counts.

                                                                                                  1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                    I disagree that it's "salted cardboard." I find the chicken very juicy and tasty. I also like that all the employees are always so friendly and helpful. If you notice from your visits before you stopped going there, anytime you say thank you, they say "my pleasure." I may not agree with all of the company's social views, but as far as a business goes, I think they have it down. Clean restaurants, friendly service, and yummy (to me) food.

                                                                                                    1. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                      Never experienced that quality of food/treatment at KFC. Are you sure you didn't eat at the alternate universe KFC? The one where Spock has a beard?

                                                                                                      1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                        SA is referring to Chick-fil-A, not KFC.

                                                                                                      2. re: SaraAshley

                                                                                                        They have the best diet lemonade I ever had.

                                                                                            2. I love Chick-fil-A chicken sandwiches and hope they open more locations in New England soon!

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                                                                                              1. re: Infomaniac

                                                                                                There are presently only 3 locations in New England, but their expansion plan includes more "northern states".

                                                                                                  1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                    Ha. OTOH, we have them in our college food courts, Stockton anyway.

                                                                                              2. Per store sales are largely meaningless unless there are a comparable number of units, which in this case there aren't. If you have one CFA in an area that has five KFCs, the total market for KFC could be bigger but spread out over 5 stores, so the per-store sales would be much lower than CFA's single unit.

                                                                                                So while CFA's per-store demand is higher, its national appeal might be lower. You should look at aggregate sales per market area if you wish to make this point. And even then it would be a regional indicator only.

                                                                                                The $5B vs. $4.2B is a pretty good comparison, however. On the other hand, CFA is alone in its space, while KFC has many national and regional competitors.

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                                                                                                1. re: acgold7

                                                                                                  You make some good points. Decades ago I developed an algorithm to calculate "cannibalization" of Burger King restaurants by prospective new units in the region, and I consulted for several franchise owners.
                                                                                                  Your comment that CFA is "alone in its space" I think is spot on, and by any retailing yardstick it is wildly successful. America needs more successes.

                                                                                                2. Is this US domestic sale or international? I would think KFC still wins on the international level.

                                                                                                  I am slightly surprise that Chick fil-A is doing better than KFC. I consider KFC and Chick fil-A to be very different restaurants. KFC competition comes from the likes of Popeye, whereas Chick fil-A probably more completing with McDonald and Burger King.

                                                                                                  1. Let's be realistic. This is a marketing survey, meant to create hype. It's like comparing apples to oranges, a great pulled pork sandwich to bbq ribs. Comparing KFC to McD's Mighty Wings would make sense. Comparing Chick and Col - not so much.

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                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                      But for sales per store to exceed even McDonalds, by more than 20%, and all other fast food leaders by much more, is astounding, and ought to be a business model for others to emulate.

                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                        I agree, from the sales dollars generated per store CFL does very well.

                                                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                          well then, why sensationalize the story by comparing them to kfc rather the mcd's and other fast food joints?

                                                                                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                            The business story I read last night on Yahoo was oriented around a comparison of the two. I gleaned additional data from jrvedivici's post link above, about an hour ago.

                                                                                                          2. re: Veggo

                                                                                                            Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know if the revenue translate to profit. In addition, this is a specially good year for Chick Fil A.

                                                                                                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                              They've had lots of really good years.

                                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                Being a sucker for conflict in this thread let me ask you this question;

                                                                                                                "In addition, this is a specially good year for Chick Fil A."

                                                                                                                Is there anything in particular that is making this a stand out year for them?

                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                  I dunno, but the higher cost of beef everywhere else can't be hurting.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                    I have nothing to support this but my observations in the grocery store, but the price of chicken has gotten fairly ridiculous in my opinion.

                                                                                                                  2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                    :) I think Chic-Fil-A has been doing gradually better every year, while KFC more or less is stable.

                                                                                                                    http://wbbw1.bwbx.io/cms/2014-03-28/C...

                                                                                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                      Interesting graphic. Astounding, actually.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                        That's fascinating. Maybe it's because KFC is such an established and widespread chain that its averages aren't as affected by successes (like the Double Down) or failures (like their big Boneless push). And, frankly, Chik-fil-A has benefitted from all the free publicity of being in the news so much -- it's certainly driven awareness more than KFC's lousy recent ads have.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                          <all the free publicity of being in the news so much >

                                                                                                                          I think that is just one of the many influence. I also think that demographically we have changed. The idea of eating "fried chicken" is getting less and less appealing from a health image. Eating a chicken sandwich just seems so much healthier than eating fried chicken.

                                                                                                                          I mean, I won't mind eating Chick-fil-A Grilled Sandwich four times a week (I don't, but the idea is not unappealing)

                                                                                                                          http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Food/Menu-...

                                                                                                                          but the idea of eating KFC fried chicken more than once a week just seems scary to me.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                            And your graphic above shows incredible growth results well before the "publicity".

                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                              I was going to say that earlier when I first saw the chart CK supplied. I was actually surprised the "publicity" didn't seem to deter their steady growth at all.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                I am not sure if anybody has touched on it yet but Chic-Fil-A has one of the best P/R programs going with their involvement with schools & clubs.

                                                                                                                                Every time I turn around our family is going there for a fundraiser where some non-profit (ex. Local School or Girlscouts) is receiving a given % of the evenings take.

                                                                                                                                These fundraisers pack the place. I know the owner and he said he has to bring in extra staff but still makes a killing.

                                                                                                                                They also sponsor events like Township celebration days & big Church outings and send their big chicken and give away free food & coupons.

                                                                                                                2. We have one Chik-fil-a in my town and probably a couple others in the neighboring town about 15 minutes away. All data be damned, I have never consistently encountered longer lines at a fast food drive thru than at my nearest Chik-fil-a. It is so bad that they even have a cop directing traffic in the parking lot on weekends.

                                                                                                                  1. This is like arguing about who was the second best team in the American League after the Yankees in 1927.

                                                                                                                    Popeye's rules. CFA second, the Colonel eating feathers in third.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: Bob W

                                                                                                                      You're right, it was the Dodgers, what's there to argue?

                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                        Well, you almost got the right league!

                                                                                                                        1. re: Bob W

                                                                                                                          LMAO.....I'm batting a 1000 in this thread so far! (I am completely clueless about baseball, can't stand the sport)

                                                                                                                          1. re: Bob W

                                                                                                                            The Philadelphia Athletics were second in the AL in 1927.

                                                                                                                            1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                              Thanks -- just checked the standings. They finished 19 games behind the Yankees (that's a lot). Pretty much how I view Popeye's vs CFA. KFC would be the '27 Red Sox, who finished an incredible 59 games off the pace.

                                                                                                                      2. Regarding the boycott, I just found this disappointing quote in the 3/14/14 Atlanta Constitution from the Chick-fil-A CEO:

                                                                                                                        "When the Atlanta Journal-Constitution asked how he feels about anti-gay measures that would allow business owners to turn down LGBT customers in the name of religion, Cathy said:

                                                                                                                        "I think that’s a political debate that’s going to rage on. And the wiser thing for us to do is to stay focused on customer service"

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                                                                                                                        1. re: Discerning1

                                                                                                                          The allegation that LGBT customers would be turned down is a mean, untrue, scurrilous myth.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                            This is absolutely true (that it's a myth). A lot of words were put in Dan Cathy's mouth and misinterpreted, and there's no evidence that they ever denied service to someone due to their perceived sexual orientation.

                                                                                                                        2. I still give the Colonel credit for "Always fresh, never frozen."

                                                                                                                          1. In the end, Chick-Fil-A just isn't all that. Fast food chicken sandwich with nothing to especially recommend it.

                                                                                                                            But even if it was great, I'm tired of homophobes, and wouldn't give 'em my money.

                                                                                                                            And KFC's gone so far downhill that I'm never eating there again. Shame, as they used to be good...about 40-50 years ago.

                                                                                                                            1. Has not one person mentioned the subtle nuance of the title of this thread? Well considering chick fil a's sordid past?

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                                                                                                                              1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                I'm the OP, and I think you are seeing something that isn't there. This thread is about business success and nothing more.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                  Veg, can you please explain to me and the distinguished audience assembled what you really, really thought.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                    When I read the business article I was stunned to learn the average sales per store. I don't know or really care how large the average store is, including back room and inventory storage space, but even if it's 3000 SF, annual sales are over $1000 per SF per year. That is an extraordinary number for every type of retailing, and a landlord's delight. I don't own centers, but I have managed many for 30 years and have never seen numbers like that.

                                                                                                                                2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                  It says "kickin", not lickin'.

                                                                                                                                  Now that would be funny.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                    I've no idea what subtle nuance is in the title. At all.

                                                                                                                                  2. These numbers are domestic sales only. KFC still does $12 billion in global sales. They're huge in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                      But is it really chicken they are serving over there?

                                                                                                                                      1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                        Is it really chicken that KFC serves in the US?

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Discerning1

                                                                                                                                          Well, they also have slaw and mashed potatoes...

                                                                                                                                      2. Closest one to me is 50 miles away...if ever out that way, I would definitely try it. Bravo that they're closed on Sunday. And didn't even use any curse words!

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                          I worked retail for a while, and hated Sundays...not that I'm churchy or anything, but enough is enough. It's a day that most folks have off, and when you have to work, it leaves you out of lots of other opportunities...to relax, get chores done, socialize, etc. I think it's great that their management took a stand like this.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                            My first and only other wife and I both worked retail during the blue laws, and after a quick and furious house cleaning, Sunday was beach day!!!

                                                                                                                                            1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                              BB
                                                                                                                                              I grew up in the retail trade here in CT with Blue laws in effect. When Sunday openings became legal, I got working 14 years of Sundays and then sold the business, enough with 7 days weeks.
                                                                                                                                              My BIL's family was in the retail hardware business in New Haven, bit they and the others on their shopping avenue were closed Saturdays and open Sundays. When redevelopment knocked down the street in the early 60s most chose to get out of retail rather than relocate and have to compete and be open on Saturdays.
                                                                                                                                              I've never eaten Chick-Fil-A. I don't agree with their politics and don't eat fast food chicken. They are however building a location in Brookfield, CT near Candlewood Lake. As 5 months of the year there is a 30% surge in population for the weekend trade I wonder how they will survive only opening one weekend day.
                                                                                                                                              From many years retail experience, it is odd that they are only opening one unit in the market area. When a new boy comes to town it's important to open enough units to take advantage of the media cost for the market.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                Danbury I can see, but near Candlewood, really? I wouldn't mind trying it, but too far outta the way for me...The Sycamore would call me too loudly anyway. Interesting point on the season people and Sunday. They've GOT to be considering other outlets in CT

                                                                                                                                                1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                  On the Federal Road stretch north of Costco

                                                                                                                                                2. re: bagelman01

                                                                                                                                                  I predict big things for them. Where I live there is little advertising other than a few billboards. I'm doing a lot of mall walking rehabbing a hip replacement, and they crush everyone at the food court, including McDonald's at my upscale mall. The stand alone stores have drive thru lines literally wrapped around the building, and the inside is jammed, yet the wait is incredibly short. They churn out food like no place I've seen, all with friendly, cheerful service. Dislike them if you will, but they know how to deliver quality food fast. A hint, order the sandwich with no pickles and you get an extra hot one just as quickly as a regular order.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                    Business-wise, my worry for them is that their menu is, well, chicken-focused. Their business model is based on selling a very inexpensive meat source, and that's fine, but it relies completely on chicken staying cheap. Back in the 70s, there were a bunch of fish-centered fast food places (Arthur Treachers, Capt. D's, LJS, etc) that had hard times when fish prices spiked. I hope for Chick-fil-A's sake (and Popeyes, KFC, etc) that chicken remains plentiful.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                      Well. Chick-fil-A started in 1946 with essentially the same menu items, expanded to some 'healthy' chicken based items and has had 45 consecutive years of positive sales growth. It seems to be working.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Cathy

                                                                                                                                                        We will see how much longer that lasts when I open
                                                                                                                                                        Turk-fil-A. Larger white meat breasts = bigger juicier sandwiches!! PLUS I'm going to be open 24 hours on Sunday's only!!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                          My new Emu-fil-A chain is poised and ready.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                            I just took a screen shot of this which show's the time of our respective posts. I am by way of this message ordering you to cease and desist on Anything-Fil-A. This is an obvious attempt to profit off of my hard work.

                                                                                                                                                            I will sue you and the Emu you rode in on!!

                                                                                                                                                            I should also add that I do NOT pray for people I sue, so you will be off my prayer list as well.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                              Dang! Once again, beaten to market.

                                                                                                                                                              Back to the drawing board. Anyone want to invest in Llama King or Mr. Haggis?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                You backed down awfully quickly when threatened by that turkey ...

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                  Y'know, in my heart, I knew that Emu would be a tough sell to the American public. Haggis, on the other hand... that's an untapped market.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                    Emu is very lean so it's also good for your heart!

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                      Didn't Fuddruckers used to have an emu burger?

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                    I will give you the benefit of doubt that you are referencing the restaurant theme and not the poster! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                      Oh yes, my attorney advises me that is exactly what I meant.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                Does anyone remember the old Monty Python rat on a stick bit? They also had one featuring rat tart.

                                                                                                                                                              3. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                Turkeyville has been around since 1943. Open 11-7 daily. The menu is all turkey, but there are other things that happen there too. http://www.turkeyville.com

                                                                                                                                                                (I grew up in Michigan...)

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Cathy

                                                                                                                                                                  Please do not confuse any of this with actual facts, because I will refuse to acknowledge them. I am the only genius in the world to come up with a turkey themed restaurant. Sorry.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                    Pajaro, California is the home to The Turkey Boat, a wonderful dive that roasts fresh turkeys daily (donates the daily leftovers to a homeless shelter).

                                                                                                                                                                    For $7 you get a "Turkey Boat, Jr." with turkey, freshly made stuffing, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce and gravy. For $3.50 more it includes steamed vegetables.

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                                            In South Jersey we have several and they seem to be thriving. They are very big into supporting school clubs/sports, Girl/Boy scouts, church fairs & a host of other non profits. During a given time period, a % of the profits go to the organization that is sponsoring the event. They give out coupons & hold raffles for FREE food coupons which keeps folks coming back. Brilliant advertising. I know a franchise owner and he is a millionaire "MANY" times over after owning a store for about 10 years.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                        Most stores in Germany are closed on Sundays. That can suck some times, but mostly we enjoy the fact that it's a day of rest. For everyone, including us.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                          Similarly in Mexico, many businesses are closed on Sundays. It's fun to watch family day on Sunday there- restaurants, kids playing soccer and swimming, everyone laughing and having a good time. Most parents work 6 day weeks there.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                            I would fully support a reinstatement of the blue laws here in the states. But our greed and corporate influence won't allow that to happen again.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                              I wouldn't support that *at all*. But I'm about as far from religious as one could possibly be.

                                                                                                                                                              I just think it's nice for the working population to have *at least* one day per week off.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                That's exactly my point, not for religious reasons, although that would be a bonus for some.

                                                                                                                                                                If you work in retail and your day's off are Monday and Tuesday, most of your family and friends are working, so it's difficult for you to connect with them. Having Sunday as a mandatory "no-work" day would give everyone an equal opportunity to see family and friends.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                  And a Monday or Tuesday off, on a school day, doesn't enable a family day at the park or the beach. I lived in Mexico enough years to appreciate Sunday as family day, and to keep on topic, I think the CFA Sunday policy is rock-solid.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                    Folks, this is getting pretty far afield for Chowhound. We've removed some discussion about the policies of a non-food business, and really would prefer to have everyone swing back towards the topic of food. Thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                      I don't believe that will happen any time soon. The last I heard liquor stores in CT & RI are now open on Sunday. Never thought I'd see that day. The wave of the future I guess.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                    As someone who used to work retail, I guarantee that there's no shortage of people happy to work on Sundays.

                                                                                                                                                                    It's very rare for employees to work 7 days a week. Their 'day of rest' may be a Saturday, a Wednesday, whatever.

                                                                                                                                                                    Here in Massachusetts, it's very common for businesses to be closed on Monday, so that folks who get weekends off can go to their favorite restaurants on Sunday, but the employees/owners still get one day off.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                      You and others might be happy to work Sundays, but others who do not want to work Sundays are scheduled whether they care or not. I've worked retail for over 30 years and I like two days off with the wifeacita. Now, when I was single I enjoyed a day off during the week, as the fishing is much better.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                        'it's very common for businesses to be closed on Monday', may be for a small group of restaurants but certainly it is not common for 'businesses' to be closed on Monday.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: treb

                                                                                                                                                                          Growing up in New Haven in the 50s and 60s, downtown retail establishments were closed on Mondays (except from Thanksgiving til Xmas), open one night per week (Thursday) and the BEST for the workers' families, they closed at noon on Saturdays in the summer. So from Memorial Day til Labor Day dad was off from Saturday noon until Tuesday morning at 8:45.

                                                                                                                                                                          Italian-American Restaurants, Pizza places, and Bakeries were all closed on Mondays, as well as many delis. When I worked in the bakery and deli business I belonged to both an industry Monday Softball league (summer) and bowling league (winter).

                                                                                                                                                                          It wasn't until chain restaurants and pizza joins arrived on the scene that Monday dining out became common. I still live in southern CT and many independent restaurants, pizza places and bakeries are still closed Mondays.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                        The Blue Laws are alive and well here in Bergen County...but Teaneck doesn't enforce them.

                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                        It was so lovely on a trip to France a couple of years ago to see all of the families thronging a local park where we were riding bikes on a Sunday. They were all on bikes, or picnicking, or boating, or just (honestly!) stopping to smell the roses in the lovely rose garden and it was such a friendly, family-oriented atmosphere. Sure, it made it a bit more difficult for us tourists to manage, but it seems to be well worth it.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                          Yes. Pretty much the diametral opposite of that idiotic Cadillac ad :-D

                                                                                                                                                                      4. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                        Other than the clergy, I think most workin' folks appreciate having Sunday off. Too many others have burdensome work schedules, and can't do a thing about it if they want to keep the job they need.
                                                                                                                                                                        The centuries old but now gone Connecticut Blue Laws prohibiting retailers from operating on Sundays were designed exactly for that reason.

                                                                                                                                                                      5. I eat at Chick-Fil-A faithfully every single Sunday.

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                            Nothing gets by Veggo! I go to church every Sunday CFA offers BOGO's.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Querencia

                                                                                                                                                                            OK, you're having fun with us. It's closed on Sundays.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: treb

                                                                                                                                                                              That's the point. Since I can't get myself to enter CFA, Sunday seems the best day to go.

                                                                                                                                                                          3. Chick-fil-A may totally outsell KFC on a per-store basis, but Cheesecake Factory clearly outsells a number of places I know that just plain serve better food. fil-A does sell well, but I think KFC product still has a lot more depth to it. Of course, I rarely eat at either place.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. I quit eating at Chick-Fil-A due to their policies three years ago. Recently at a work function it was CFA or nothing, and I was suprised by how disgusting it tasted - I remembered it being, well, good. I don't eat KFC either, since it's also pretty grody, but I certainly don't miss CFA.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. I would suggest they really don't compete in the same category... I would suggest that you should compare KFC with Popeyes. Churches and other chain fried chicken franchises.

                                                                                                                                                                                To me chik fil a is as much competing with McDonald, Wendys and Bugger King as they are with KFC. And I personally prefer a Wendys spicy chicken sandwich to anything that Chik Fil Atheist's serves.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. I really don't see the comparison. Granted, both sell a chicken product, but that's about where it ends. If I eat in, I'm more likely to stop at Fila (I like their lemonade), but for take out, it has to be an original KFC breast with slaw. Fila doesn't travel well for more than a few minutes. I can take KFC to go. Similar, but quite different.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I live in Tucson, and we have The Lucky Wishbone, a local business for something like 55 years. They sponsor local charities, they don't advertiseor brag about their prejudices, and they have some ROCKIN' good fried chicken, among other things like steak fingers, gizzards, and shrimp (all of it fried). So I don't have to go to KFC or Chik Fil-A (however it's spelled) to get a good chicken fix.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                                                                                      So what? Lots of us could make the same post about a local joint. That's not the subject of this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. no doubt in the minority but I don't like their food at all.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I've tried it probably 4 times now and it just doesn't do it for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                        after reading this thread I think it's time for me to give them another try. So Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday and Saturday I'll try to hit a chick fil a but you'll not see me in there Sunday either.

                                                                                                                                                                                        so let me get this straight, it's ok to express your opinions unless of course those opinions are based on upholding their Christian beliefs? hum.....what a tragic thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                        watch how fast this will get erased while opposing thoughts will remain........and gone in 3........2.........

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                          Who said they couldn't express their opinions? They are welcome to do so.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                                                                                            Nonnie, did you read this thread

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                              Sure did. I didn't see anyone saying that the CFA company shouldn't express their opinions.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                                                                                                REREAD your own posts Nonnie. I did, that's what I was responding to.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm done here

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                  You have me completely confused.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                while nobody came out and said it...Christian values aren't real popular around this thread

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Doing what is right is hard and not very popular.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Precisely, why I generally buck the trend and swim up stream.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem is, both sides in this issue feel exactly the same way, and they are both, in their own way, correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am very grateful to be living in a time where what is right is gradually becoming more popular. Equality for everyone has never been the most popular idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Actual Christian values are, truthfully, awesome. There's no reason for them to be unpopular, and nobody in this thread is speaking out against them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jesus broke bread with those who needed his grace the most; prostitutes, money changers, adulterers, tax collectors, etc...He understood that in order to help these people see the light they must be engaged.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Today, we see anybody who does not march in lock step with the pro-gay agenda to be shut out. If the pro-gay folks wanted others to see the light wouldn't it be far more beneficial to engage those who they disagree with?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know that a lot of folks want to make this into a "with us or against us" issue, but it doesn't have to be that way. You'll notice that I'm agreeing with you and giving a big thumbs-up to Christian values. But I think a lot of Christians should find it strange that a fast-food chain would be using their profits to support legislation to change existing marriage laws and organizations classified as hate groups. That's what folks were angry about, nothing more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                                                              They weren't funding "hate groups". The founders were using their own money to support groups that were defending traditional marriage. Apparently in today's environment that is an unforgivable sin against the religion of Progressivism.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                To be absolutely clear, the company was donating money through their nonprofit charitable wing (WinShape) to groups who were, as you say, 'defending traditional marriage', yes. They also donated money to groups specializing in converting gay people through therapy, and to groups such as the FRC, which is literally classified as a "hate group". It's absolutely within their rights to do all of this, but I'm also allowed to say that I don't want my chicken-sandwich money going towards it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Southern Poverty Law Center does not get to define "hate groups" to me. Just because you disagree with someone's views does not make them a hate group.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What constitutes a hate group can be pretty subjective.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Many folks are very supportive of Greenpeace, yet I had a relative who had to have armed security escort his children everywhere they went for years because he was an oil company executive and Greenpeace put a price on his family's head.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Tom34

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would be interested in seeing documentation around that. That would be an extraordinary and as far as I know, unprecedented, step for any 501(c)3 to take.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am equally skeptical of the claim.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This was in the 1980's & early 1900's. I remember it very well, the guards were all retired law enforcement & plain clothes. They were shadows as such for ball games, concerts and the like.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Like many extreme groups, Greenpeace has a radical arm & threats and intimidation was their business back then. Many animal rights groups and anti abortion groups are the same way. Even if the main body denounces such activities, they exist and their underbelly has been pretty well detailed from defectors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ridiculous. What kind of documentation are you expecting to see?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, they all signed their names to the threatening letters. More bourbon please :-).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Let's see now.... The founders were taking the money earned from their horrible chicken sandwiches and funneling it to organizations that are run by people working to deny law-abiding, tax-paying U.S. citizens the right to enter into a marriage contract, which confers certain rights and responsibilities on the participants. Simply because gays and lesbians give their Jeebus a sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and their leaders also denigrate the very existence of gays and lesbians on a daily basis. And their stated ultimate goal is to re-criminalize homosexuality and jail or deport all gays and lesbians.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      These sound like hate groups to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't like same-sex marriage, o sanctimonious one? Then DON'T MARRY SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But don't blather on about how same-sex marriage harms you. IT DOESN'T HARM YOU IN THE SLIGHTEST, DOES IT?!?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't like gays and lesbians? Then by all means , Chick-Fil-A, let us know. But guess what? We will call you for your bigotry. Redneck right-wing haters can stuff their ugly, bloated gullets with those chicken sandwiches to their soon-to-explode hearts' content. But they'll still be bigots.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes. But it's a free country and they are allowed to believe as they like. As far as I know, they have not refused to serve anyone because of their beliefs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "redneck" "right wing haters" "ugly bloated gullets" "bigots" - Sounds like someone is spewing the same seething hate and bigotry that is being alleged on Chik-fil-A. It is not a crime to stand up for what you believe in

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not a crime.... but it's still bigotry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bigotry is labeling people, like "redneck," "ugly bloated gullet," or "goose stepping facist pig." I don't believe CFA ever mentioned anything about gerbil play or flannel wearing bulldykes. Is it bigotry that I'm considered an "infidel" by a certain religion, and should be murdered because I don't believe in their god? If this is all bigotry, then rjw is no better or tolerant of the precise behavior he is condemning

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi all, we've removed a digression about the right to marry, which isn't really a topic we cover on Chowhound. Please, focus on how the issue relates to the restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It it wrong that I find it endearing to know that if Jesus were around today he would probably look to break bread with me!?!?!?!?!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ...lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That would be a fun experience, more so if he could do something to perk up that glass of Jersey tap water.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              He seemed to hang out with a fun crowd.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think Christ will break bread with a wealthy and well-feed person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.""

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's not exactly true, Ck. I called JC yesterday. He's on for lunch with me and jr, Monday at 1. Thing is, the old Nazarene's gone gluten-free so we're just gonna meet at a bar for wings and wine - cool part is, we only have to pay for water. Although last time, I got stuck with the check - "Ah, sorry, man, I don't have my wallet. This robe doesn't have any pockets . . . ."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ha ha ha. I knew there is a reason why I love Jr and you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think he would, but it might not be a completely comfortable meal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: foiegras

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "[I]t might not be a completely comfortable meal."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lunch went pretty well, but I think it might have been a tad uncomfortable for jr in the beginning. Then again, it's always a little awkward when you hang out for the first time with guys who have been friends for a really long time. They have their inside jokes, shared experiences, etc. Christ tried to tell the story about the weekend we spent with the Icelandic triplets in Prague, but it sorta lost something when reduced to words. You gotta keep in mind, JC resorts to parable and metaphor so much in regular conversation that things can get a bit confusing for people who don't share the same affliction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another "issue" that started it all out on shaky ground was the fact that there were no seats at the bar when we arrived. We had to settle for a table and, of course, 'Mary's little angel' insisted that we all sit on the same side. All these years and that thing still kinda irks me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lots of talk about hockey though. Always good for bonding, especially these days. I mean, Rangers-Canadiens vying to see who gets to play the 'hawks? That's awesome, right? (We all agreed that hockey still seems weird in LA). The NBA isn't JC's thing. He's the only short, Jewish guy I've ever known who doesn't like basketball.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As to the important questions raised by the instant thread, jr was the only one of us who had even tried Chik-fil-A, so there wasn't much to consider. It was, however, unanimously agreed that the cole slaw at KFC is still pretty damn good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I steered the chat clear of gay marriage though. Old 'Born in Bethlehem' is a self-proclaimed, eternity-long bachelor and thinks anybody who'd get "tied down" to "only one person" forever is really pretty silly. Worse, he still swears that all the Roman women were lesbians - it comes across sounding like a geek who couldn't get a prom date, you know?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: MGZ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks again for picking up the check too, I couldn't believe JC pulled the old, "my robe doesn't have pocket's routine."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well thankfully for now I'm not at the point of trying to enter the Kingdom of God. Hey look at the bright side, the way the economy is going I probably won't have to worry about being rich when my time comes!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But if he were here and now............I think Jesus would find time to have a slice of pizza and a Dr. Pepper with me. I"m pretty sure the J-man is a Pepper.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      <I think Jesus would find time to have a slice of pizza and a Dr. Pepper with me>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was just about to say no to Dr. Pepper. Then, I see you rebutted me in the next sentence.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When eating with Jesus, I'm pretty sure you order water, and then let him know what you'd like to drink.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: NonnieMuss

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No one here has said ANYTHING against Christian values, Christians, or denied that CFA has the right to express their opinions. Christian values are great - Christians are awesome, and CFA can say whatever they want, as was already amicably decided downthread. No one is being persecuted here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nobody, anywhere in this thread, said it wasn't OK to express your opinions, to be proud of your faith, or to have Christian beliefs. I think it's a great thing. Go for it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I dine there faithfully every Sunday... Seriously, folks, I just can't get my feet to walk into a CFA. Just can't do it. Don't care of the chicken is gold-plated. Can't do it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. This thread is getting repetitious. Obviously no one is changing anyone's mind, so what's the point now?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Discerning1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Probably so, but I doubt most people were trying to change another person's mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Are you kidding? I love anonymous internet evangelization.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    :) I am sure a few were trying to do that, but do you think "most" were trying to change people's mind?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jpc8015

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, considering you announced you were praying for various people here -- to help us with our 'sins', as you see them -- that's clear.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. It just occurred to me that KFC is an establishment based on a 1960s model, while CFA is based on a 2010s model, some 50 years more current. Also, the style and flavourings are fairly different. In any case, just because something sells more doesn't make it any better. I was born in 1954, so KFC just seems more "right" to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Tripeler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It might seem right, but to me, it doesn't taste the same. The KFC of the 1970s doesn't taste like the KFC of today. Either they've altered the recipes, the chickens are bred different, or my tastes have changed. Fortunately, I still have Roy Rogers fried chicken which DOES taste the same.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, you are right with that ME. I really haven't had much KFC since the middle 70s. I worked at one for a few weeks in college around '72. I am sure that they taste quite different now. I do remember there was a lot of black pepper in the taste.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You still have a RR......urrrrrr......not fair :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We have Poppey's which is good but not the same as RR. Maybe it was my youth but god damn RR was good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "The KFC of the 1970s doesn't taste like the KFC of today."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Which may be a good thing. We abandoned KFC back in the 70's, but rediscovered them about five years ago. Stopped by yesterday and were yet again amazed how plump, moist and tasty their original breast and cole slaw are. Much improved compared with what we recall from the past and consistently excellent over recent years. They get our vote.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          On a side note, we still don't understand any draw for their mashed potatoes, but do like the option of a meal without a lot of empty carbs (avoid the biscuit / no roll, although they do currently make a good biscuit - far less greasy / heavy vs. typical FF biscuits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Chick fila, however has gone the opposite for us. We now find their chicken and fries to have too much of a (similar) fried / grease flavor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Never had a Chick-fil-A, didn't want a fried chick sandwich; but now I see they have perfected a grilled chicken entree, after a year of research and testing, I will have to try it!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I do not fault them for having Christian Values, or Hindu Values,etc., just make a product that is not going to harm me if I consume it!!!!! If I like it I will buy it............

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think everyone should have values. When however they take my money and turn around and attempt to enforce their regressive values on me and the rest of society, that's where I have an issue. My money will now be withdrawn ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I don't mind their Christian values what really gets me is they helped sponsor the death to gay bill in Uganda.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: YAYME

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What -- you didn't know that "Christian" "values" are exclusively about denying people equal rights? Huh.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Folks, we think this thread has about run its course at this point, and the same people are just rehashing the same points. We're going to lock it now.