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Help me recreate two cocktails please

So after dinner last night we went out to a very cool bar! The fact that we were the oldest people there by 25 years didn't deter us :) And we were treated quite kindly. Instead of a glass of wine which would be typical for us for after dinner sipping, I decided I want a real cocktail. So we ordered one each of these.

Paloma Ahumada: An updated, smoked out version of the classic Mexican Paloma. Reposado Tequila, Mezcal, Fresh Lime, Fresh Grapefruit, Honey, Mole Bitters, House Mesquite Smoked Salt, Served Over

Bread and Wine: Charles Joly of The Drawing Room in Chicago won a contest held by The Secret Sherry Society with this cocktail. A favorite among the Chapel staff. Oloroso Sherry, Single Malt Scotch, Absinthe, Maple Syrup, Fresh Lemon, Served Over

So I have the list of ingredients but not a clue about the ratios. Any suggestions would be welcome. Both of these were great and I want them without paying $9 for them :) TIA.

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  1. When a cocktail wins a major prize, it's not uncommon for the recipe to get published.

    Gotta love the 'Net.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/joly-...

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    1. re: mcsheridan

      In other words, "Dumbshit, Google is your friend!" :) Thanks, mc. Really.

      1. re: c oliver

        You are very welcome. As to the other cocktail, hopefully someone else can help with that. Otherwise, it's back to Google and starting with the source drink, the Paloma, and working forward from there. At least the ingredients aren't as pricey as the Sherry and Scotch in the B&W.

        The House-smoked Mesquite Salt is liable to be tricky.

        1. re: mcsheridan

          We have a smoker but I don't use mesquite as it's deemed too 'acrid' for smoking but I imagine others would get the job done.

          It's obvious to me from occasionally checking out this board that, like food, the best cocktails have recipes not 'winging' it. Thanks again.

          1. re: mcsheridan

            Mayeb the house smiked salt is different, but everytime that i've purchased it from the store, it was way too smoky. It seems like it'd overpower anything that it was in.

      2. $9 sounds cheap to me, especially with pricey ingredients like mezcal and single malt.

        I would just call the bar and ask. I've yet to be refused. Post back what you find!

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        www.kindredcocktails.com

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        1. re: EvergreenDan

          Actually I had that very thought. They open at 2PM and it's not busy then. They're super nice folks and I'm sure I could order one and chat about the making of it. We're in Reno so I'm sure that effects the price. They were really good drinks :) Thanks.

          1. re: c oliver

            Call them when it's not busy. Bartenders are usually happy to tell you the recipe on the phone. Or if there is e-mail, that let's them reply when it's convenient.

              1. re: c oliver

                I am planning my own Mexican-themed dinner soon and love the sound of the Paloma-like cocktail you described. Any luck duplicating it at home?

                1. re: cobpdx

                  I hadn't thought of this thread since I started it! We were back there once but it never crossed my mind. Maybe you're the perfect excuse to go back :)

                  1. re: c oliver

                    What was the place you got the Paloma Ahumada? Did you ever call to get the recipe?

                    1. re: JMF

                      Here's the place:

                      http://chapeltavern.com/

                      And, no, I haven't called or been there to ask. But I will. Promise :) Maybe tomorrow?

                      1. re: c oliver

                        I asked to see if I know anyone there, but nope. I don't know any Reno bartenders that I can remember.

                        1. re: JMF

                          Reno's getting cooler but I'd be shocked if any of you pros had heard of them. I think I need to interview them :)

                          1. re: c oliver

                            Well I went ahead and tried it on my own last night.

                            Started with:
                            1.5 oz Reposada Tequila
                            0.5 oz Mezcal
                            2 oz grapefruit juice
                            0.5 oz lime juice
                            3 drops Mole Bitters
                            Mesquite smoked salt for rim

                            Forgot the honey (thought I had the ingredients memorized) while I was making it and it definitely needed the sweetness for balance. I will be remaking it with the honey and equal parts tequila to mescal to increase the smokiness factor a bit.

                            Next attempt will be:
                            1 oz Reposada Tequila
                            1 oz Mezcal
                            2 oz grapefruit juice
                            0.5 oz lime juice
                            0.25-0.5 oz honey
                            3 drops Mole Bitters
                            Mesquite smoked salt for rim

                            I'll report back (although remember I don't know what it is SUPPOSED to taste like) and I appreciate any comments, feedback, or recommendations. My party is this Saturday and I need to dial it in!

                            1. re: cobpdx

                              We're not going to be in the area til the middle of next week so not sure I can be of help. But I really appreciate your giving it a 'shot' :)

                              1. re: c oliver

                                No worries. I think it will be a respectable cocktail regardless, once it is tweaked a bit. But if you ever get the recipe, let me know...

                              2. re: cobpdx

                                Using straight homey is just about impossible to measure. bartenders use a 1:1 honey water mixture called honey syrup. Sir equal amount of hot water and honey to make syrup. Don't shake to mix.