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Ireland deserves it's own board.

I think that the food world in Dublin and the rest of Ireland is deserving of it's own board and should not be lumped in with England.

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  1. By the by, it's "lumped in" with the whole of the UK, not just the English bit of the country.

    I suspect that, if Ireland was to be "de-lumped", it would be added to the general Europe board, rather than having it's own separate board. Reason for thinking that is that the number of Ireland posts are fewer than a number of other countries which are posted to "Europe".

    For example, there's only been one Ireland thread this month, whilst there have been more for Germany (6), Hungary (2), Iceland (3), Czech Republic (4) and Austria (2). There are a number of other countries which, like Ireland, have only had one thread - Greece, Poland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium and Cyprus.

    There's possibly merit in "de-lumping" it, from the UK, but I'm not quite sure what that might be and how it might benefit diners in Ireland. I suppose it might be whatever the argument for separating Spain and Portugal might be, or Australia and New Zealand.

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    1. re: Harters

      Come to think of it, I might be in favour of de-lumping London from the rest of us in the UK. It really is a different country.

      Heck, I might even be in favour of London formally becoming a different country - as Singapore separated from the rest of Malaysia in 1965. At least it would no longer suck the lifeblood from the rest of us.

      1. re: Harters

        London's been it's own nation state for some time now. This weekend we had a typical London mix, half Scottish/Finnish half French/English and the talk turned to identity and someone said I'm a Londoner first , everything else is secondary. Don't agree with the lifeblood thing, But then again I wouldn't would ;)

        1. re: Paprikaboy

          Yes, indeedy, PB - identity is a funny old thing, innit.

          Mine changes depending on circumstance. I'm European, British, English, from the north west, a Mancunian (although I'm not), a Cestrian. And whichever, I'm always a Man City fan.

          1. re: Harters

            I always knew I respected you. Thank god you're a Manchester City fan and not Man United. I don't mind how many boards there are, as long as I can find what I need. Having grown up in London, Los Angeles, Edinburgh and Berkeley, I try to be specific when I refer to England vs Britain. Most Americans don't have a clue. And that spectacle of a food court at Trafford Centre fascinates me.

    2. The lack of posts on Ireland or Dublin on that board refute your assessment.

      1. As already pointed out there's no reason to seperate in terms of configuration of other boards (e.g Spain and Portugal being lumped together) or by posting history. There's more of an argument for Manchester having it;s own board than Ireland based on search terms in the last year on the UK board (I admit this may be skewed by Harters posts):

        Post results in last year using search terms:

        London 435
        Manchester 55
        Edinburgh 32
        Dublin 31
        Ireland 23
        Liverpool 22
        Devon 11
        Glasgow 8
        Cambridge 8
        Leeds 6
        Cardiff 6
        Birmingham 5
        Bristol 2

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        1. re: Paprikaboy

          Thanks for doing the math.
          This thread gave me a chuckle, since I used to spend a lot of time on the [wait for it]
          China & Southeast Asia Board.
          That's like 1/3 of the world's population, on one board!!
          Posters there just start every thread with the city/country name for clarity.

        2. Hi, bowiemike:

          You may be right that the food world in Dublin and Ireland as a whole is deserving, but as others have pointed out, there are issues of utility to consider.

          I have railed against the arbitrariness of many of the U.S. boards' boundaries and some resulting geographical nonsense. Here in USA, we Hounds are regularly punished by the moderators for posting on large metropolitan boards (which garner a lot of posts) questions about establishments that may be only few miles afield of the metropolis but well within range. When the Mods transplant the thread to the "correct" board, it often dies a spinster. So I sympathize with you.

          No one has yet explained to me how or why more boards (in your case, specific to Ireland) would cost anything more or be any more trouble. The only answers I seem to get are variations on the theme of "It's always been done that way."

          IF this site survives much longer, what I would like to see is some *hierarchy* of boards on which, for example, you could post, read and search only on Ireland if you so choose, AND our friend Harters might choose to read and comment on the same post on a more general UK board or keep to his own on Midlands. Or we could all read on Europe (or New Russia, whatever it becomes). That could mean sorting a lot of paste from gems on the *most* general boards, but doubtless some Icelanders and/or Andorrans would want to see what's happening in the rest of Europe and wouldn't mind.

          I can't even get the site to spell Hawai'i correctly, so I wish you well.


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          1. re: kaleokahu

            Since Hawai'i is the Hawaiian language word for the English word Hawaii and this is an English language site, that just might be the issue. k.

              1. re: Servorg

                Somewhere to the left of Malta.

              2. re: c oliver

                Hi, c oliver:

                Pardon, but you must be completely uninformed of the history, and the etymology of the word to say that. What do you think the people called their island group before James Cook "discovered" them? Unthinking people assume that cultures with no prior history of writing have no 'words'--even a name for their homeland!--until English speakers pen them a malapropism.

                Also, 'Hawai'i' is an official name of the state, so it's doubly ignorant to claim the name isn't appropriate for an "English language site".

                'Hawaii' is not even a derivative word in English (contrast 'dá’aw', which you might recognize as the derivative word 'Tahoe'). It was simply the standard spelling adopted from all the various awkward attempts, e.g., 'Owhyhee', to accurately capture the sound of the spoken word. Even a few Missionaries got it right in their dictionaries, see: http://wehewehe.org/gsdl2.85/cgi-bin/...

                Do you visit Saint Francis or The Angels often?


            1. Others have done the stats. But a practical question, would it be Eire and Northern Ireland or simple Eire?

              Second, and observation, does Eire have much great food? I know it has a couple of good spots but IIRC it recovered it's only Michelin star this year. The other though is that Belfast in NI maybe the better food destination these days if a few recent reviews are accurate.....which loops back to the point about where to put NI.

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              1. re: PhilD

                Funnily enough, Mrs H and I were only talking this morning about a resurgence of good food in Northern Ireland. She had recently listened to the Food Programme on Radio 4 where it had been discussed. Much was being assigned to the not inconsiderable number of chefs who had trained and worked at Paul Rankin's "Roscoff" (sp?) and had then gone on to set up their own places.

                1. re: PhilD

                  It's one country geographically - its political division was imposed externally. One can eat well in Ireland - it produces the best tasting lamb in the world IMO.

                  1. re: scoopG

                    Not saying you can't eat well, but given the wonderful produce it's slightly odd it isn't a real food destination.

                    As to the politics the same applies across many geographies, it is what it is, and so the question remains, political history is an irrelevance on Chowhound.

                2. As you've only mentioned 'England' vis the UK board I presume you're also looking for a secession of Scotland following September's referendum?

                  Or in that case are you 'Better Together'?

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                  1. re: Lizard

                    And Wales and (given your name) Cornwall.....?

                    1. re: PhilD

                      PhilD, my comment specifically addressed Scotland because we are having a referendum regarding independence. To my knowledge, Wales has no such plan, hence why Wales was not mentioned. Although perhaps you mentioned Wales, because they, too, would prefer that Scotland stay in the UK?
                      But my guess is that my highly localised comment may not resonate with someone not here, especially when my 'here' is Scotland.

                      1. re: Lizard

                        Well I see the UK government has now designated the Cornish as a separate people - so the Lizard Peninsula is set to break free.

                        And there is now a Yorkshire party (for the European elections). I read that Yorkshire had a similar population to Scotland and thus should follow their lead. There was some debate about the poor design of the M62 - after all it was designed to repatriate the Lancastrians but the engineers made it a two way road....!

                        I was also reading that Northumbria was starting to question why that ancient kingdom shouldn't also break free, it maybe an issue as that went up from the Humber to the Firth of Forth and includes Edinburgh. That said I believe most Scots care as little for Edinburg in the way most English care little for London so maybe not a bad thing to recreate the kingdom of Northumbria and I assume they would get RBS.

                        How many boards would these all need....?

                        1. re: PhilD

                          Due to a brief technical fault on the site, my reply to Lizard didnt attach to this part of the conversation and appears below.

                          Interesting TV programme the other week by Cumbrian MP, Rory Stewart, who argued that the England/Scotland border is historically false and that there use be a "MIddleland" which took in the Scottish lowlands and the north of England. There was much to support in his argument. Although it did leave we Cestrians regarded as being from the Midlands (effectively Mercia) rather than the north.

                          1. re: Harters

                            So your really a brummie John. Does this mean the posh suburbs of Brum are now Knutsford and Alderley Edge...?

                            1. re: PhilD

                              Didnt say I agreed with all his argument :-0

                              I think I'm more in tune with author, radio/TV presenter and proud Wiganer, Stuart Maconie when he says that, on leaving London, he feels he's reached the north when he gets to Crewe.

                  2. I thought I'd sensed something of wind-up in bowiemike's OP. You know, a possibly contraversial post from someone who hadnt posted anything in the previous three years. Good fun though, even if we hadnt fallen for it.

                    1. I've no idea what nationality the OP is, but you come across significant numbers of posts on Chowhound, from Americans, who call our country England, rather than Britain or the United Kingdowm.

                      Frankly it demonstrates an ignorance which not only pisses me off to some extent but re-inforces the stereotypical view of Americans not having any real knowledge of the world outside their own borders.

                      As for the referendum, I wish the Scots all the best for whatever decision they reach in the autumn. Interesting times with, only the other day, the Cornish people being given formal minority status under EU and UK rules. A co-incidence that alleged discrimination against Cornish people featured recently in the first episode of the hilarious W1A?

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                      1. re: Harters

                        Many Americans also show a lack of real knowledge of the world inside their own borders. Their lack of knowledge is commensurate with their indifference to geography including that of the US.

                        1. re: Bkeats

                          This issue, Americans as a group not having a great deal of interest or information about the world beyond our borders, is the flip side of a coin that also accounts for our country's continuation as a bastion of freedom, as well as a haven from sectarian and caste strife that brings misery and mayhem to much of the rest of the world.

                          1. re: Servorg

                            I am not sure I follow your point. As an American, I have lived and worked in a few other countries and I would say that there is no correlation between isolationism and freedom. An awareness of what is going on outside of one's borders is critical to knowledge. The awareness of the founding fathers of the US to political thought of english, french and swiss philosophers was central to developing the government structure that created the freedom and haven you have cited. But this isn't the place for such a discourse so I will drop it.

                            1. re: Bkeats

                              When people come to the US they can leave behind the issues that may have caused problems in their home countries, and then their children and their children's children grow up without having to look backward to the reasons and problems that their parents and grandparents left for. To a degree our freedom from those worries causes us to be more isolated. I'll trade one for the other.

                              1. re: Servorg

                                Surely that will be the case for any immigrants, whereever they move to - they leave their homeland, for whatever reason, for a new life - hopefully better and safer. I don't see a link to isolationism - in fact, the opposite - I'd expect more diverse communities to be outward looking, which is what you see with many countries which have a long history of immigration.

                                My country has a long history of people coming here - from French Hugenots in the 17th century, through Russian Jews in the 19th century, to south asians in the 1970s. I don't see us looking inward.

                      2. The general discussion of the political geography of Ireland and the UK is getting a little far afield for Chowhound, so we'd ask that people let that discussion go. Thanks.