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  • makko Mar 21, 2014 11:32 AM
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Just checking back in, after a few years have gone by, to see where F'field County, Ct is listed on your site.
Big surprise, it is still listed under Southern New England.
Your management still insists on disregarding the overwhelming response from your customers, about 99.7%, that want F'field County to be listed with NYC, etc., as it was originally.
This decision to ignore your NYC Metro customers is just incomprehensible.
I'll check back in (5) years hopefully, after your decision makers may have rotated out of the decision making process for the for the NYC Metro area.

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  1. Is there anyplace without an NY address that's on an NYC board, i.e., Manhattan, Outer Boroughs?

    51 Replies
    1. re: c oliver

      Not anymore.

      1. re: makko

        Then why would anyplace in CT be on the Manhattan board? As someone who visits NYC, I already find the Manhattan and OB pretty overwhelming. And if I were going to Fairfield County, I'd look at the appropriate board. Just a Left Coaster's POV.

        1. re: c oliver

          I agree that the Manhattan board's already busy and daunting enough without adding posts from every suburb and exurb in the greater metro area. That may not be what makko's asking for, though. This might just be about where Fairfield County appears on the list of Chowhound boards: currently under New England instead of New York Area. Parts of northern New Jersey could make an equally valid case to be moved into the New York orbit.

          But I'm skeptical of the claim that 99.7% of site users in the New York metro area truly want Fairfield County, CT, listed with New York, or even care where it's listed, as long as the board for each locality is easy enough to find and bookmark.

           
          1. re: squid kun

            I can't speak for the percent, but as a Westchester County, NY resident, I used to find the Fairfield talk--and cross-talk, for recommendations in the area--useful when we had the Tri-State board.

            I still spend plenty of time in Fairfield County, mostly for food shopping, but I can't remember the last time I thought to eat there because of CH. Previously, I'd hear about places through casual references and put them on my list.

            And yes, I know a similar observation can be made for any "border" areas, but most borders aren't quite as populous. NJ is at least a bridge crossing away from most people who live in the areas most discussed on the NY State board, with less cross-referencing.

            1. re: Elisa515

              I'm with you! It makes no sense for Fairfield to be part of New England -- southern or otherwise. I used to enjoy the Tri-State board, and it was a hell of a lot more lively than the current NY (other than NYC) board.

              1. re: roxlet

                I guess I don't see why it matters. If one is looking for a place, doesn't a search give you the info you need? Do you know that in all of Europe, NO city has its own board and the only countries that do are France, Italy, UK/Ireland, Spain/Portugal. I have no problem finding good food there.

                1. re: c oliver

                  Yes, of course I know that, but since I spend so little time in Europe, it doesn't bother me. Previously, I would come across some place in lower Fairfield that was interesting as I'd read the Tristate board, and I'd go check it out. Now, there is just too much info to sift through on places that mostly very far from me on the Southern New England Board, so I rarely bother.

                  1. re: roxlet

                    But if FC were on the Manhattan board wouldn't that be A LOT worse? As infrequent visitors to NYC, I find THAT board overwhelming.

                    1. re: c oliver

                      I think the OP was really talking about the NY Metro area, which is roughly what was covered by the old Tristate board. It would make no sense to have it listed with Manhattan.

            2. re: squid kun

              @squid kun

              The 99.7% applies only to the posters who used the Fairfield County, Ct. board when it was listed separately on the NYC board.

            3. re: c oliver

              Originally the Fairfield County, Ct. board was included and listed separately on the NYC board as was Westchester County.
              Fairfield County interests in general are closely related to both NYC and Westchester County.
              As it is now, we are lumped in together with the balance of Ct. and Ma. and RI. Since then, most of Ct. posters have left out of frustration.
              The 99.7% applies only to the posters who used the Fairfield County, Ct. board when it was listed separately on the NYC board.

              1. re: makko

                There never was a "NYC Board", There was Manhattan and Outer Boroughs for New York City.

                There was also a "Tristate board" which covered pretty much the area shown in this map. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New... As someone who grew up on eastern Long Island, it never made sense to me to have discussion of Suffolk, New Haven, the New Jersey shoreline and "Upstate" (when you grow up on LI, anything north of the city is upstate) on the same board. I can't even remember where discussion of Utica went (I went to school there) but I remember there wasn't really a proper place for it.

                There's definitely more logic to the way the board is set up now, but logic doesn't always tie in to how people identify themselves. You consider Fairfield part of the NYC area and identify more with NYC than with Hartford. I get that, but it's a perspective that's only valid for people who live where you live, which makes it a confusing setup for area visitors. I get that you want to be able to read Fairfield discussion along with New York City-oriented discussion. It was never set up that way, and while I agree with you that Westchester and Fairfield are areas that maybe belong together, do remember that those of us on Long Island and people in New Jersey, as well as Ulster, Duchess, etc. would be as likely to go to Westchester for dinner as you'd be likely to go to Princeton, NJ for dinner... that is, not at all. So it really wasn't a board that worked all that well. There's really no easy solution to this problem, unfortunately.

                From what I've seen, the New Jersey people seem fairly happy with having all their discussion in one place... or at least if they are complaining, I haven't heard it. I know there are people who feel Long Island is being slighted and needs its own board, from my perspective, it's nice to not have Long Island discussion totally overwhelmed by the Westchester/Fairfield discussion that used to totally dominate that board.

                It's too bad that posters in the Fairfield/New Haven area decided to just stop posting rather than work on making the CT board into a new home and the NY State board into a second home, but as your post explains, they really don't feel that they belong, so why stay?

                This is a long-winded way of me saying I feel your pain, but there really isn't any obvious solution that makes sense to everyone in the area, as well as visitors to the area.

                 
                1. re: Chris VR

                  i think in general the #-quality of postings have slipped substantially on several boards- westchester is rarely mentioned in the n.y. board (or at least for the density of ppl. that live here). And yes at the end of the day being on the ct. border, i do wish it were easier to explore this area all on one board.

                  1. re: Chris VR

                    <<" and "Upstate" (when you grow up on LI, anything north of the city is upstate) on the same board.">>

                    A very true point and one worth it's own Long Island board.

                    <<"From what I've seen, the New Jersey people seem fairly happy with having all their discussion in one place">>

                    See here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9194...

                    <<"It's too bad that posters in the Fairfield/New Haven area decided to just stop posting rather than">>

                    Long Island posters have given up as well.
                    See here:
                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9702...

                    1. re: Gastronomos

                      Not sure what you're trying to highlight with the link on the NJ board. The relevant message I get from the post you linked to is "I find my local NJ board to be pretty useful." which was the point I was making. They seem pretty happy with the setup.

                      I think it's unfair to say Long Island posters have given up. They were never really in the game. Discussion of LI on the old Tristate board was minimal, and always lost in the sea of posts from Westchester/Fairfield/New Haven. I think there's more LI talk on the NY State board than there ever was previously on the Tristate board. But you're right, still not much. However, I don't see any logic in assuming that starting a new LI board is going to suddenly make posters appear and start posting. If the Long Island posts consisted even half of the posts on the New York State board, maybe there would be some logic to it, but that's not the case, and I'd hate to see a LI board get established and then end up as a wasteland of a board, with tumbleweeds rolling around the sand dunes. I think it's best to just increase the amount of Long Island discussion now and see where it leads. Again, though, you run up against the wall of "where are the LI posters and why don't they want to discuss the local food scene?" Starting a new board isn't going to solve that problem.

                      1. re: Chris VR

                        In an effort to try and not talk past each other I will direct you to this link and the link provided within the OP:

                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6851...

                        <<"I find my local NJ board to be pretty useful."

                        which was the point I was making. They seem pretty happy with the setup.">>

                        I was agreeing with you. They very much like not being part of the TriState board.

                        <<"I think it's unfair to say Long Island posters have given up. They were never really in the game.">>

                        The link I provided just above herein and the link I provided earlier states by an occasional poster who has all but given up, "It should not be mixed in with the rest of NY State. I stopped going on that board because it was too confusing."
                        I and many agree.
                        You yourself state, "...and always lost in the sea of posts from Westchester/Fairfield/New Haven."

                        You write, <<"I don't see any logic in assuming that starting a new LI board is going to suddenly make posters appear and start posting.">>
                        I agree. And therein lies the major problem. If they were to put a separate Long Island board up it is NOT going to be all of a sudden populated with many posts. It will take time. Chowhound.com is not interested, at all, in waiting to see the fruit ripen on the vine. They would do it only if, like the NJ board, the posts "Suddenly" started up IMMEDIATELY. No time to garner respect from the Chowhound community. No waiting for the posters to come back or to find new posters. Members of this community are a rare bunch. True to their convictions. And very territorial of their finds.

                        59 replies: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8725...
                        and a call to join: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6851...

                        <<"I think it's best to just increase the amount of Long Island discussion now and see where it leads.">>

                        I agree. I have been doing just that a lot in the past year or so since I 'returned here regularly'. I post about everything there is to discuss in my circle and have encouraged others to do the same. It is getting better. Hopefully better enough to establish a Long Island Board. There are a LOT more posts, by me and others on the first page or two alone of NYS centered on finding LI Chow.

                        I also think Ireland deserves its own board as well.

                        1. re: Gastronomos

                          NO, IRELAND DOES NOT! Harters or someone showed how few posters there are for Ireland. Did I or anyone mention here CA has SD, LA and SF. And the rest of the state is under CA. Eight hundred miles north to south. Is it ideal? Oh hell, no, but it's just not busy enough to even consider splitting it. Perhaps SOME Fairfield County residents have delusions of grandeur :)

                          1. re: c oliver

                            sorry to have irked you so.

                            1. re: Gastronomos

                              Yeah, I guess it really is irksome :) I don't see why one really tiny part of the world and the food world would warrant its on board. If someone is looking for a place in FC, they're going to find what's been written, right? We spend about half our time at Lake Tahoe which is on the CA board. You will RARELY find anything new on it but we few locals do post when we try someplace and, when visitors to the area are coming in, they have access to that and ask questions. It would be plain stupid IMO to have a Lake Tahoe area board.

                              1. re: c oliver

                                well, truth be told, my issue is with Log Island not being lost in the great state of New York. As for Fairfield County, Ct., well, that's a place that is more NY State / Greater NYC area than New England...

                                they lumped all the "New Board" discussions at once together, so it's fair game to discuss nicely...

                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                  I sincerely remain confused. Even if you don't know WHERE LI is you can Google "chowhound long island," can't you?

                                  1. re: c oliver

                                    No. Sorry to confuse you. It's a regional thing I guess.

                                    1. re: Gastronomos

                                      No, no, it's fine. But if you could explain where your angst originates from. Or what are you wanting that you're not getting.

                                      1. re: c oliver

                                        I want you (or anyone viewing these boards) to know where in the US of A is the Piermont Pub

                                        1. re: Gastronomos

                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/963443

                                          Google is my friend :)

                                          1. re: c oliver

                                            Lawl
                                            In NY State (except NYC)

                2. re: c oliver

                  @ C Oliver..........
                  I didn't recommend Fairfield Cty be added to the Manhattan board.
                  Try to reread my post.
                  Also, why are you commenting about this thread when it is only a NYC Metro issue and you obviously don't understand this area?

                  1. re: makko

                    You want it to be on "NYC" which is Manhattan, isn't it?

                    1. re: c oliver

                      No, he wants it grouped with suburban NY, which is currently in NY State. Manhattan has its own board, and so does the Outer Boroughs.

                      1. re: Elisa515

                        But NY State excl. NYC and OB has no place included outside NY State. Let me give an example. We live in Reno, NV, and Lake Tahoe, CA. They are 50 miles apart max. Actually where we live at Lake Tahoe is about eight miles from NV. But NV is on the SW board and Lake Tahoe is on the CA one. So, yes, I do understand which is why I'm commenting. I didn't realize that one had to show 'proof of residence' to comment.

                        1. re: c oliver

                          The Reno Ice Pavilion is a 16,000-square-foot rink once dismantled and moved to Reno from Atlantic City, New Jersey.

                      2. re: c oliver

                        @ c oliver......No, Manhattan is only part of NYC. There are (5) boroughs that comprise NYC and Manhattan is only )1) of them. As I said before "you obviously don't understand this area".

                        1. re: makko

                          No, I miswrote NYC instead of Manhattan. Having spent plenty of time in ALL the boroughs, I DO know the difference. But Manhattan and the Outer Boroughs are in NYC. Fairfield Co. and plenty of other places are not. Why muddy the water further? Anything one is looking for can be found. Anywhere. If not on CH, then on Google, which is my default for CH anyway.

                          1. re: c oliver

                            If it were really that easy. Although we still cannot understand why you are diluting this thread with nonsense, I'll ask you, Find me a casual, family friendly, not expensive, sit down GOOD restaurant with Chowhound Worthy Food for a family of four on Long Island on Chowhound. It shouldn't matter to you if NYC, outer Boros or Long Island or Fairfield Co. It should only matter it be a casual, family friendly, not expensive, sit down GOOD restaurant with Chowhound Worthy Food on Long Island. No allergies, no restrictions other than no Asian, no turkish, no diners, no steakhouses. Dinner this weekend will be where, c oliver??

                            1. re: Gastronomos

                              This is a pointless question, and I think you know it. Nobody goes to dinner "on Long Island". Long Island is about 125 miles long and about 25 miles wide. Someone in Greenport isn't going to Center Moriches for dinner. Someone in Port Washington isn't going to Sayville for diner. So people looking for that meal on the New York State board will do what they would do if there were a Long Island board... they'll search for the town[s] they're looking to dine in. Having one board for Long Island isn't going to make the answer to that question any clearer.

                              NY State isn't the only board on Chowhound to group areas that have nothing to do with each other on the same board, and the fact that Long Island and upstate NY have different chow scenes doesn't make the case for a LI-specific board any more than Corpus Christi, TX having different chow interests than Lubbock, TX means there should be a North Texas and a South Texas board.

                              1. re: Chris VR

                                so, Chowhound.com is not the place to search for reliable opinions on where to eat?

                                1. re: Gastronomos

                                  For you, perhaps not.

                                  1. re: carolinadawg

                                    ?

                                    here's an out of town Chowhound seeking Chow on Long Island. This particular Chowhound first posted on the Outer Boros board, was told to repost on the NYS (exc NYC) board by a fellow Long Island Chowhound (that reply since removed after the mods moved the request from the Outer Boros board to the NYS (except NYC) board.)

                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9714...

                                    1. re: Gastronomos

                                      Lots of people post on wrong boards, and posts get moved. So? Not every Board lines up with everyone's personal sense of geography. It's an imperfect website in an imperfect world run by imperfect people attempting to meet the needs of other imperfect people. It's not perfect. Nothing is.

                                      1. re: carolinadawg

                                        yes. they do. and he came back with a response...

                                        1. re: Gastronomos

                                          So, chowhound.com is the place to search for reliable opinions on where to eat? Got it!

                                          1. re: carolinadawg

                                            ;-)

                                      2. re: Gastronomos

                                        I don't see what this post has to do with what you posted in response to c oliver. The Chowhound in that thread isn't seeking Chow anywhere on Long Island, which is how you posed the question above. I'm sorry but I can't follow what point you're trying to make, unless your point is that the post isn't getting many responses and you think c oliver should offer some suggestions, which would somehow qualify her to offer her thoughts on this topic? I don't really follow that logic, if that's your point.

                                        1. re: Chris VR

                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9696...

                                          1. re: Gastronomos

                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9696...

                                          2. re: Chris VR

                                            I also am confused, Chris. Since this is on Site Talk and not a regional board I think that all non-regional opinions are welcome. As I wrote, tell me how Reno and Las Vegas relate to each other :) But they've drawn the lines and we live pretty well within them. I think those who refuse to perhaps might consider another site.

                                      3. re: Gastronomos

                                        Chowhound doesn't have many posters on Long Island, which means no, there are not many opinions on food there. That doesn't mean that Chowhound.com isn't the place to search for a wide range of opinions in areas where there are a lot of posters and a lot of activity. Although I don't see how that ties in to anything being discussed on this thread.

                                        1. re: Chris VR

                                          you didn't reply to my answer to that last question:

                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9696...

                                          1. re: Gastronomos

                                            Sorry, I can't really tell what you're asking me to reply to but I think we just have a difference of opinion about whether there needs to be a Long Island board and it's probably a good idea for us to agree to let it go at that.

                                    2. re: Gastronomos

                                      I think "For the sake of argument" nicely sums it up.

                                2. re: c oliver

                                  No.
                                  Manhattan is just (1) o the (5) boroughs of NYC.

                        2. I have read all the posts on this thread made in the past 2 weeks and am replying to the original post..................

                          I live in Fairfiled County, CT.

                          Fairfield County is not a homogenous place. When it was part of the old Tri-State Board those of us who live "Up County">>>meaning not in one of the bedroom NYC commuter towns often left lost and were disinterested in all the posts from Stamford thru Westchester county to the Bronx border.
                          If one lives in Trumbull, as I do, he/she is far more likely to be dining in Milford or New Haven than Greenwich, Port Chester or White Plains, expecially if he/she doesn't work in Stamford or Westchester.

                          I personally found little interest in posts from lower Fairfield county and less than none in Westchester County posts. If I dine in NY, it generally is in NYC and I'll check the Manhattan or outer boros boards.

                          I do dine in Milford/New Haven, had a vacation home on Caoe Cod, family in the Boston Area and western Mass and enjoy the Southern New Englan Board.

                          Do I miss some of the former contributors to the Tri-State board?. Yes, but I don't miss several who like children said 'this is my ball and I'm taking it and going home I don't care if it kills your game. Particularly one who always posted in the third person. Good luck on his blog where he reveals his own name.

                          Everything is cyclical if exciting new restaurants open in lower Fairfield County, then maybe more posts will appear. I for one don't care to read about another Batali outpost coming to New Haven...................

                          I am not in favor in returning to the old geaographical breakdown

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                          1. re: bagelman01

                            <<"If I dine in NY, it generally is in NYC and I'll check the Manhattan or outer boros boards.">>

                            As do most that live within driving distance to Manhattan. They check those boards. Long Island and the rest of NYS do not have anything in common.
                            Long Island is isolated from the rest of NYS by the Outer Boros and Manhattan (Boards).

                            I do not dine in Westchester. But if I was going on a trip.... I'll check that board....

                            The search function on this site we all know isn't worth much. At all.

                            1. re: Gastronomos

                              GIYF :) (Google Is Your Friend!) THAT's a different issue completely. It doesn't even bother me anymore.

                              1. re: Gastronomos

                                Gastro....
                                When I wrote that if I dine in NY it is generally NYC it was toi say that this Fairfield County resident is not interested in going back to the Tri-State board that included Westchester with Fairfield County. IF and only if I'm planning to dine in NYC I check the NYC boards. I'm not interested in waqding through all the threads about Westchester.

                                Note: I am NYC centric (in fact when the time comes many years from now, I'll be buried in the family plots in Queens), I'm a Yankees fan, Read the NY Times everyday, watch the NYC TV stations, NOT New Haven or Hartford, BUT that doesn't mean I'm interested in NY suburban areas CH info.