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Tipping Suggestions - Farm & Fisherman Tavern [moved from Philadelphia]

dkupersmith Mar 20, 2014 12:58 PM

Went to Farm & Fisherman Tavern in Cherry Hill for lunch and enjoyed my meal.
When the check came I noticed that they like many others in the industry put suggested percentages and what the tip would be. But they also included the tax amount in the tip calculations.

Is this something that has become more common and I just haven't noticed since I usually calculate my own tip? I do tend to be generous when tipping but certainly don't include the state's portion of the bill.

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    alex1018 RE: dkupersmith Mar 20, 2014 01:03 PM

    On a $100 bill, tipping on the tax is an extra $1.40 if you are tipping 20%. I really think it's not something to worry about.

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      jhpark RE: dkupersmith Mar 20, 2014 06:14 PM

      Every time I've seen those suggested amounts, they have been calculated from the total including sales tax.

      I despise the tipping situation in the US and would much prefer a gratuity that is actually a gratuity, but doubt the situation will change in any meaningful way anytime soon.

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        Bacchus101 RE: jhpark Mar 21, 2014 05:28 AM

        We very seldom tip less than 20% and only on rare occasions tip more. I could not agree more on your second paragraph comments. Every time I see the suggested tip amount I consider taking control and tipping below the amount shown. To alex's point, for me it is not the $1.40. I take offense to the obvious incorrect factors in the calculation. Tipping on Tax, oh please, it is just wrong.

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          JanR RE: Bacchus101 Mar 21, 2014 05:42 AM

          Here here. My tipping is much the same as yours Bacchus, and I resent including the tax, however small the amount.

      2. PhillyBestBYOB RE: dkupersmith Mar 20, 2014 08:52 PM

        Most of us are Philadelphians. Please don't expect us to do such advanced math.

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          Bacchus101 RE: PhillyBestBYOB Mar 21, 2014 05:32 AM

          Interesting thought. Some us may be able to do non-linear regression analysis but calculation of a tip including taxes is beyond us, or should I say me; there for I don't include taxes in the calculation. A benefit of my inability with math.

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            Philly Ray RE: Bacchus101 Mar 21, 2014 06:01 AM

            I don't see how it is that difficult. If you are tipping 20%, you just move the decimal over one place and then double it.

            For example, if your total is $115.00 (with or without taxes), 10 percent is $11.50 and then x2 is $23. Even if you don't tip 20%, you can adjust up or down from there.

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              Bacchus101 RE: Philly Ray Mar 21, 2014 06:22 AM

              Thanks for the math lesson. I think I have it. I suppose that in the post the tongue-in-cheek was not obvious.

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                Philly Ray RE: Bacchus101 Mar 21, 2014 06:28 AM

                Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet, ;)

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                  Bacchus101 RE: Philly Ray Mar 21, 2014 06:53 AM

                  Obviously in the case of my last post it most certainly did not for you. I will endeavor to do better or avoid sarcasm, if that is possible for me.

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                    PhillyBestBYOB RE: Bacchus101 Mar 28, 2014 05:39 PM

                    I'm still confused.

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          cgarner RE: dkupersmith Mar 21, 2014 09:30 AM

          I don't think about the tax being included. I look at the total and go from there. If my server has really contributed to my having a great meal, then I 'over tip'
          I know people who say that's insulting... I have worked as a server and I've never been insulted by a REALLY good tip!

          My Dear Father takes out the wine/booze AND the tax from the calculation and then tips from that, which I've tried to explain to him is just... well... wrong!
          in many restaurants, the server has to tip out the service bar, so his removing that from the tip calculation, takes more money out of the servers pocket

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            Bigley9 RE: cgarner Mar 21, 2014 09:46 AM

            I remember people saying years ago that you tip on the food total at one percentage (I think this was when 15% was the norm) and then tip on wine, etc. at a second lessor percentage (say, 10%) and never on the tax.
            but my tipping policy is pretty much just like yours cgarner ; )

          2. Firegoat RE: dkupersmith Mar 22, 2014 07:40 AM

            I've noticed it on a few receipts. It doesn't offend me one way or the other. I'll tip whatever I was going to tip anyway. I've usually encountered this at places that are pretty bar service/alcohol heavy. Maybe its to help the buzzed not have to think so hard?

            1. Karl S RE: dkupersmith Mar 22, 2014 02:52 PM

              Don't worry, you're doing fine. Tipping on the amount gross of tax is not the US customary norm, but one is free to do it.

              1. westsidegal RE: dkupersmith Mar 22, 2014 11:34 PM

                unless you are regularly racking up huge restaurant bills (in which case, you are probably not even going to be noticing the restaurant's suggestions) , this is such an inconsequential amount, i can't see that it makes any difference.. . . .

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                  nocharge RE: westsidegal Mar 23, 2014 12:31 AM

                  The whole topic about tipping on taxes reminds me of a guy at my tennis club. He often makes a point of saying that "as a matter of principle" he does not tip on taxes. Anytime he says something that imbecile, I always ask him how he calculates the amount of excise taxes that were implicit in contributing to his restaurant bill.

                  The reality, of course, is that the guy is a total cheapskate that will make any mental effort to rationalize not spending money. When it's his turn to provide beer and chips for a tennis game, rather that making a run to the local Safeway like everyone else, he will see it as an opportunity to clean out his pantry. The result is usually an odd collection of beer bottles and bags of chips two years past their expiration dates. But the guy sure knows how to rationalize being a cheapskate even though everyone realizes it and laughs at him behind his back.

                2. Delucacheesemonger RE: dkupersmith Mar 23, 2014 06:36 AM

                  To the real problem, when those suggested tips are listed it is by the credit card machine, there may be no merchant control on this feature.
                  lt was started as in large metro areas with many foreign travelers who do not tip in their country they needed 'guidance'.
                  Yet another vote for tip included in check total, works for me.

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                    nocharge RE: Delucacheesemonger Mar 23, 2014 10:37 AM

                    The credit card slip having some text suggesting tip percentages is a "real problem"?

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                      Delucacheesemonger RE: nocharge Mar 24, 2014 07:17 AM

                      To this issue yes, if they had not printed the tip possibilities including tip on sales tax, we would not be having this thread.

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                        nocharge RE: Delucacheesemonger Mar 24, 2014 07:27 AM

                        And what stops people from tipping whatever they want? That's what I do. But most people seem to be more into having sheepish discussions on the internet about whether 15, 18, or 20 percent is right.

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                          Delucacheesemonger RE: nocharge Mar 24, 2014 08:54 AM

                          As do l, but the OP brought up this issue and all l am saying is that they CC company is the one who adds the tip percentages, whether on taxes or not, not the restaurant.
                          Cheeesh .

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                            nocharge RE: Delucacheesemonger Mar 24, 2014 12:39 PM

                            You are the one who suggested that there was a "real problem". My take: don't be a Nervous Nellie asking around the internet about how much you should tip. You will come across as clueless and that's the best-case scenario. And suggested percentages on a credit-card slip? Well, who gives a rat's ass?

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                              Delucacheesemonger RE: nocharge Mar 24, 2014 06:58 PM

                              THE OP

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