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How do you feel about dogs in the grocery cart?

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I went into a supermarket today and a woman came in about the same time as me and put her little white dog into the kiddie part of the cart. I asked one of the managers what that was all about and he said it's illegal for them to challenge the shopper.
A little googling had me find that that is not quite true. They can ask what the dog is trained to do as part of being a service dog. An emotional support dog or pet is not allowed in a food establishment. He said they turn a blind eye to it because so many regulars bring their dogs into the store that they have given up asking the correct legal question.

I was surprised by this as it seems strange to have the dog in the cart not on the floor on a leash walking like dogs can and should. I am a dog lover, got 2 of my own dogs which are pets so I am not hating on dogs. But I don't want dogs in the carts in a food store. Maybe it's silly of me, guessing kids' diapers/butts are no cleaner and they get put into the carts too. Perhaps I should just wipe the cart down next time and get a life. What do you other CHers think?

  1. Shopping carts are filthy....I do not think a dogs matters... but do dogs belong on a supermarket? NO!

    I always use those free "wetones" to wipe the carts handles and my hands when in a supermarket, and when I get in the car, and at home...well maybe at home soap and water...

    1. No different than a chicken.

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      1. re: foodieX2

        no different than a kid who is still in diapers.
        (often i see them in the cart wearing their diaper and a onesie--nothing else).

        1. re: westsidegal

          That is my feeling.
          Dogs are no "dirtier" than kids.
          Wash your hands and live your life around all other beings. So what.

          1. re: sedimental

            CYTOKINE STORM ATTACK!
            So deadly.

            1. re: Chowrin

              dunno why you keep bringing this up.

              cytokine storms have NOT been associated, thus far with pet allergens.
              they HAVE been associated with:
              1) the 1918 influenza pandemic
              2) the 2003 SARS epidemic
              3) bird flu H5N1
              4) SPECULATION of an association with 2009 swine flu (speculation, which the cdc data does NOT support)
              and
              5) hantavirus

              1. re: westsidegal

                They're both symptoms of an overactive immune system.

                1. re: Chowrin

                  so what?
                  there is no SCIENTIFIC evidence of ANY association at all.

            1. re: daislander

              daislander: yes, you're so right.
              the kid's diaper keeps the stool IN THE CART even if the kid produced it a half hour ago. the stool, as runny or solid as it may be, stays right in the cart until the parent decides it's a convenient time to change the diaper.

              on the other hand, i've NEVER seen a dog poop in a grocery cart.
              unlike the kid, after the dog poops, the poop is LEFT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

              if the dog has an inconsiderate owner, the dog poop may be left where toddlers step in it and then the parents lift the little darlings with their contaminated shoes INTO the grocery cart!

              1. re: westsidegal

                yes your right the pop stays in the DIAPER or since the kid is in a onsie that probably means there NOT walking around in DOG POO. which would get transferred INTO the cart unlike a dogs BUTT, which POO came out of and is sitting BARE BUTT HOLE IN the CART.

                1. re: daislander

                  maybe it stays in the diaper and maybe not.
                  take a look at the frequency of poop-related diseases that get passed around in even the cleanest nursery schools.

                  it doesn't take much leakage, really.

                  http://www.cdc.gov/rotavirus/about/tr...

                  1. re: westsidegal

                    now imagine that on a diaperless dog bottom....no attempt to keep anything in.

                    1. re: Tokyoite

                      never have seen a whole poop holding on to a diaperless dog bottom, so it would REALLY have to be IMAGINATION.

                      on the other hand i've seen leaky diapers MANY MANY times with human kids.

                      the reality is that i share your feeling about there being an "ick" factor about dogs in markets.
                      i would never bring my own dogs into a market.
                      where i draw the line is that i won't try to make up persuasive scientific evidence or make up "possible" scenarios in order to support my "ick" reaction.
                      in FACT the "service" dogs i've seen in markets have been confined (usually to their own little stroller) , have NOT had any visible poop issues, and have NOT been in the food carts. this is more than i can say for the way many parents of diapered kids manage their children.
                      still, i agree that my personal preference is not to have the dogs there.

                      1. re: westsidegal

                        They say a dog's mouth is cleaner than a human's, might be true for the other end too.

                          1. re: ipsedixit

                            I need your address so I can send you the bill for a new keyboard that I just sprayed tea all over...

                            1. re: ipsedixit

                              What're your feelings on the other way around?
                              {;-/)

                            2. re: medrite

                              there are no known cases of a human contracting hiv from a dog's mouth or of contracting polio from a dog's poop.

                              definitely cases of human to human transmission of both.

                              1. re: medrite

                                Not knocking dog mouths, but that's an urban myth. Dog mouths are not cleaner than a human's (although individual samples may vary *cough* co-worker *cough*).

                                Dogs are less likely to have the bacteria that cause cavities, other than that, dog mouths are teeming with bacteria similar to humans.

                                In fact, I'd venture to assert that the average dog mouth is more likely to have feces and rotten trash in it than the average human.

                                1. re: Pookipichu

                                  Well, so much for frenching the poodle.

                                  1. re: medrite

                                    Not exactly the same thing, but once I was sitting in a favorite sandwich shop looking out as I was munching away. Some lady tied up her dog outside on a leash and came in to order her sandwich. I noticed the dog climbed onto one of the outdoor tables and either was sniffing or possibly licking the salt shaker or pepper shaker. The leash was too long. After she went on her merry way I told one of the guys I know. He asked which table and proceeded to go outside and bring back the shakers which he dumped and washed. You kind of wonder how often this happens.

                                    1. re: Feed_me

                                      not that it makes it any less gross, but I'm really not seeing the combination of long leash and small agile dog capable of NOT knocking the whole table over as all that common.

                                      1. re: sunshine842

                                        i can imagine a beagle on a long leash counter surfing.
                                        scent hounds will follow their noses if it is even remotely possible. . .

                                        1. re: westsidegal

                                          yes, but beagles are the worst.
                                          (bonus points if your beagle goes after pot.)

                                          1. re: westsidegal

                                            Yeah, the dog probably licked the items because of the scent of a toddlers filthy little fingers all over them :D

                                            I don't like other peoples kids or animals around my food in general, but if you venture out into the public, you have to ignore the fact that there are germs all over everything. I can't see ranking kids above dogs or indoor tables above outdoor tables, etc. for germs, but I do think there is more human to human disease passed, than animal to human disease transmission.

                                            I don't think dogs or onesies babies belong in carts with the food, but I suspect that is probably less of a real concern than the other stuff that occurred in that basket (that I have no idea about).

                                            I just ignore a lot! I try not to look too hard when the 3 year old finishes picking his nose and sticks the salt shaker in his mouth and mom takes it away, wipes it on the napkin, then proceeds as if nothing happened. Such is life in public, my cave gets too dark to stay in all the time.

                                            1. re: sedimental

                                              I'd bet anyone $100 that a swab and culture would show more germs on the cart handle than on the seat, baby butts and dog assholes notwithstanding. You can't live your life in a bubble. And if did, it would turn out the bubble lining was carcinogenic.

                                              Not aimed specifically at you, sedi! Just tagging on to your musings about germs/everywhere.

                                            2. re: westsidegal

                                              imagining it and it actually happening are different things...

                                              see your own discussion about cardiac arrest

                        1. re: daislander

                          Indeed. In a dog small enough to sit in a carrier or shopping cart, the tail will be tucked underneath its butt. What's on its paws may or may not be problematic but its butt isn't, assuming it's a shorthaired dog or if longhaired, that its owner doesn't carry it around when it has any fecal matter clinging to its coat. Loaded, soaked diapers, on the other hand......

                          Not that I think Muffin belongs in the supermarket to begin with.

                        2. re: westsidegal

                          Just the other day the couple in front of me in line placed their diapered toddler on the counter where all my groceries were waiting to be bagged.
                          Damn I wish I would have asked them why they thought they were entitled to do that. I never seem to be able to muster the courage to ask, my problem.
                          I'd have loved to hear their answer, perhaps something other than 'it's none of your business'.

                        3. re: foodieX2

                          a chicken wasn't walking on cigarette butts, spit, dog pee and poo and whatever else is on a sidewalk and then sitting in your cart.

                          This isn't Paris.

                          1. re: daislander

                            Sorry-I meant a live chicken. There was a thread about a woman who took her "support" chicken everywhere. Chickens are hard to house break. :)

                            1. re: foodieX2

                              OMG the support chicken! Was that on this site? I remember reading it.

                              1. re: cleobeach

                                I thought it was this site but I searched and couldn't find it. Then I thought it might have been TWWS or Mothering. My google-fu is failing me!

                            2. re: daislander

                              Chickens in Paris don't walk on the sidewalks either.

                              I'll take a chicken from a market in Paris over a supermarket chicken in the US any minute of any day of any year.

                              (ethnocentric much?)

                          2. I have never seen this.

                            BTW...We have two 60-pounders living with us. I would NEVER attempt to put either into a shopping cart. What a mental image that presents.

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                            1. re: RedTop

                              My 1 weighs more than your 2. There's no way I could sneak him in.

                              1. re: mucho gordo

                                Well duh, train him to stand up and push the cart ( or grip the handle in his mouth) or harness him and let him pull it. Just say he's a working breed and its his job.

                            2. I love taking my dogs with me to places where they are allowed and welcomed.

                              Dogs do not, however, belong in the grocery store, ever (service dogs excepted).

                              Don't even get me started on website-certified "service dogs" or their fake-ailment owners.

                              1. First reaction: ewwww.
                                I am a mother (now adult daughter)...and yet...

                                Kids (older than "babes in arms" ) shouldn't be allowed in the carts either. Ewww. Ick. Germ-machines!

                                As another posted, your best defense is probably a thorough wipe-down. Both pre-shopping and certainly after you get your products home.