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GreenYoshi Mar 14, 2014 05:39 PM

Ok, in my visits to Kaisho in Downtown Bellevue (where Boom Noodle used to be), everything I have had was extremely disappointing. I found it to be a confused mess of ideas where the "cleverness" of dish seemed to take precedence over the actual quality of the end product.

But then I read Providence Cicero's review today.
http://seattletimes.com/html/restaura...

Not that I need every review to agree with my opinion or anything, but this one shocked me. Like, to the point where I'm judging her a little bit and almost feel like I can't trust her opinion any more.

I'll admit I haven't had a full dinner there, specifically not the kimchee chicken and waffles that she seemed to like alot, but after two lunches and a round of after work drinks with food (which included the burger), I was certain I could cross them off any list.

Anyone have thoughts on this place? Do I need to try it 1 more time?

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    Thor2011 RE: GreenYoshi Mar 15, 2014 11:53 AM

    I've been once about a month ago and was not impressed. It wasn't even good enough for me to say "maybe again". I was also shocked by the review in the Seattle Times and wondered what she was thinking.

    I live nearby, so may try it again someday, but I'm still pretty skeptical.

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      JayDK RE: GreenYoshi Mar 16, 2014 07:43 PM

      Agree with your point of view.

      Let me ask you a question:

      If you didn't have to pay for your meal, would you enjoy it more, try more dishes, give it the benefit of a doubt?

      I'd guess even the most "professional" reviewer is swayed by this phenomenon.

      Although I like reading professional reviews, my experience certainly has differed many times.

      Ma'ono Fried Chicken - everyone raves. Its good but I think Heaven Sent is far better.

      Gastropod - Seattle Mag loved them but my entire experience including food was yuck!

      Quadrato - some mag said good food cheap. The pizza is bready and nice, but I don't think $24 pizzas or $5 slices is cheap.

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        sweetpotater RE: JayDK Mar 16, 2014 08:02 PM

        I was briefly a freelance restaurant reviewer for a city magazine back East. A new restaurant opened from the city's version of, I guess, Renee Erickson (not that this city had anything close to as good), and I went twice for my review. It was mediocre. My editor kept making me go back and eventually killed my review. Why? Because they had decided BEFORE IT OPENED to put it on the cover of the Best Restaurants issue.

        I had similar issues there constantly, so I quit. I had spent my career as a reporter at a major newspaper, where nothing was puffed up for commercial reasons and critics were critical by nature.

        My point is, I think that city magazines are boosterish and grade on a curve. I'd expect different from newspapers—but I haven't read the Seattle Times reviews consistently so couldn't speak to them specifically.

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          JayDK RE: sweetpotater Mar 16, 2014 08:15 PM

          Advertising Pressure Controls Content.
          Thanks for the insight.
          What reviews or reviewers do you read and think are accurate, locally?

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            sweetpotater RE: JayDK Mar 16, 2014 11:05 PM

            I don't read any of the local reviewers—I just rely on my friends and Chowhound.

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              GreenYoshi RE: JayDK Mar 17, 2014 01:30 PM

              I don't think that's the case here, though.
              I'd like to think a reputable place like the Seattle Times (more so that other places) is able to maintain a line between content and advertising.

              I think your earlier question was more on point.
              That is, if you're not paying for it (and additionally, if you're eating out all the time), you're more inclined to like something that's "clever" or "unusual", even if it's not actually all that great.

              It becomes tougher to distinguish the line between "Oh, that's interesting" or "Oh, that's different" and "Oh, that's actually really good"

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                JayDK RE: GreenYoshi Mar 17, 2014 01:47 PM

                Kind of lost faith with Seattle Times after Hinterberger retired.
                Their best articles are reprinted from the NY Times.
                Re food: for whatever reason they let Nancy Leson go on and on about what her kids like. That's not reporting.

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                  sweetpotater RE: GreenYoshi Mar 18, 2014 08:24 AM

                  If you are eating so much restaurant food, wouldn't you have a higher bar for what's unusual and interesting? I'm not sure getting the stuff for free weighs in. I know of more tough professional food critics than easy ones.

                  It could just be Cicero's taste. I personally hate clever for the sake of clever, and prioritize deliciousness above all (don't get me started on WD-50 or Moto). But I can see how somebody—regardless of whether they are a critic—could take the opposite stance.

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                    GreenYoshi RE: sweetpotater Mar 18, 2014 10:44 AM

                    I'm not sure.
                    My feeling was that you'd get tired of the same braised pork belly, whole grilled fish and other traditional preparations that many, many restaurants do (no matter how good or bad), and simply be impressed by the mere idea of mooshu tacos and kimchee waffles. "Clever for the sake of clever", as you put it.

                    But I could see a critic having a higher bar for unusual having been exposed to more places. I don't know, I suppose it depends on the critic. (and apparently it seems Cicero is the type to be impressed with basic novelty)

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                      Allecia RE: GreenYoshi Mar 19, 2014 10:53 AM

                      Providence only gets free food in the sense that the Seattle Times either reimburses her for her meals or builds the dining budget into what they pay her. Her penchant for giving everything 2.5 stars is solely her own.

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              sweetpotater RE: JayDK Mar 18, 2014 08:25 AM

              P.S. Heaven Sent and Ma'ono are both dreamy to me!

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              HungWeiLo RE: GreenYoshi Mar 20, 2014 01:10 PM

              Walked by one time and read through the menu, and knew right away that their focus was probably more on "what can we mix/fusion together that no one else has thought of" than the actual cooking.

              Judging by their empty tables while the Cheesecake Factory just next door has what looked to be a 2-hour wait, a new restaurant will pop up there soon enough.

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                babette feasts RE: HungWeiLo Mar 20, 2014 01:35 PM

                I think the lines at CF say more about the Eastside market than they do about the quality of food at Kaisho. I mean, I haven't been to Kaisho, just sayin' :)

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                  apardoe RE: babette feasts Mar 22, 2014 06:24 AM

                  Can we make your statement a bit less pejorative by saying "the lines at CF say more about the mall shoppers"? I think the Cheesecake Factory on Pike St. also gets one heck of a lot of business.

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                    babette feasts RE: apardoe Mar 22, 2014 01:32 PM

                    You're totally right. Sorry, Bellevue!

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                      GreenYoshi RE: apardoe Mar 23, 2014 05:34 PM

                      Not related to the original post, but you know what I learned that makes Cheesecake Factory a significantly better option? You can get breakfast all day.

                      I mean, I doubt all these people lining up for CF are getting breakfast for dinner, but I'd respect them more if they were...

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