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Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 09:35 AM

Posters that post incessantly and recommend places that they've heard or read about, but have never been. I've seen a poster do this many times in the past couple of days. I expect first hand accounts when visiting chowhound for advice. You?

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  1. viperlush RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 09:39 AM

    As long as they disclose that they haven't personally eaten or shopped at an establishment I'm fine with it. Especially when it opens a discussion or verifies information. However, non personal experience shouldn't be brought up to contradict another CH's actual experience.

    If someone was looking for the best burger I would write " even thought haven't had it, Craigie's burger is thought to be the best". Or that a line for Craigie's starts around 5 pm.

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      Bellachefa RE: viperlush Mar 10, 2014 09:45 AM

      I'm talking about posters that recommend places without disclosing that they've never visited the establishment. When questioned they either cop to it or avoid an honest answer.

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        viperlush RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 09:55 AM

        I ignore that type of poster and definately question their opinion on everything.

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          coll RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 10:22 AM

          The one thing that's a deal breaker for me is: I check their posting history, it's usually obvious if they are totally spamming.

          Otherwise if you know them as a regular poster, then like everything else, with a grain of salt. Depending on their track record first and foremost.

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            kewpie RE: Bellachefa Mar 12, 2014 10:23 AM

            i agree w/ you Bellachefa, all my efforts get censored by the mods. its my top gripe with the boston board--& i only have 1 other gripe( the " was this tip enough?" posts)
            i applaud you on trying to get an answer to your questions

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              kewpie RE: kewpie Mar 15, 2014 04:59 PM

              hmmm... interesting to get such low responses! seems one sided---!

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                c oliver RE: kewpie Mar 15, 2014 05:34 PM

                Well, the title doesn't tell much of anything.

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                  carolinadawg RE: c oliver Mar 15, 2014 05:53 PM

                  The first several times I read it, I thought it said "bath-hounds", lol.

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                    c oliver RE: carolinadawg Mar 15, 2014 05:54 PM

                    I still do :)

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                      kewpie RE: c oliver Mar 15, 2014 07:37 PM

                      ok! ill start a new thread about the same topic!----
                      and this will then reduce the " thread count" thats chatted about !!!!!!!!! ;)

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                        The Chowhound Team RE: kewpie Mar 15, 2014 08:26 PM

                        Rather than have two threads running concurrently on the same topic, we've added some clarification to the title of this thread.

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                          kewpie RE: The Chowhound Team Mar 15, 2014 08:31 PM

                          THANK YOU!!! much better....
                          & yes, i do expect actual first hand accounts-- otherwise note that you " havent been, but my .... has and their opinion was"""
                          it is getting out of control on the Boston board--- the " non" visit ' accounts' of a place

        2. c oliver RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 09:51 AM

          I don't see what you describe personally but I do know that there are people who will post about a restaurant without disclosing that it's been 10 or 20 or more years since they've been there.

          I depend A LOT on CH recs when traveling. How does one discover that the poster is 'fibbing'?

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            monavano RE: c oliver Mar 10, 2014 09:53 AM

            You didn't get a decoder ring when you signed up?

          2. Dave MP RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 10:16 AM

            I think it's important to remember that this is something that happens on every type of review site, at least to a certain extent. I don't personally see it being a huge problem on Chowhound.

            I find that I can usually tell who to trust based on the types of details they provide. And I've also found that when I depend on Chowhound when traveling or visiting a new restaurant, most users' reports are extremely reliable.

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              c oliver RE: Dave MP Mar 10, 2014 10:28 AM

              Dave, I agree with you. We travel a good bit and they've never failed me. On a recent trip to NYC, I was given a couple of recs from non-CHs. When I asked CHs about them I got the true story (meh) with alternatives which turned out to be great.

              @monovano, unless it's a regional board with little activity, I either want the poster to have eaten there, or link to a review or at the very least say "I've not eaten there but have heard it's good."

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                monavano RE: c oliver Mar 10, 2014 10:30 AM

                I agree everyone should be forthcoming about their source.

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                Bellachefa RE: Dave MP Mar 10, 2014 10:34 AM

                The problem is that you are forum suave, you know how to weed out the posts. New posters that don't visit assorted forums, be it food, travel etc simply don't know they are being given second hand googled information. It simply bothers me to see it so prevalent on this forum.

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                  c oliver RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 10:35 AM

                  Again, how does one know that it's "second hand"?

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                    Bellachefa RE: c oliver Mar 10, 2014 10:36 AM

                    it would go against forum rules to give examples of how one knows.

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                      c oliver RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 10:44 AM

                      I'm not asking for true examples. Maybe paraphrase or just say how YOU know that something is second hand if it's not disclosed. I truly want to know so that I can be forewarned.

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                        viperlush RE: c oliver Mar 10, 2014 10:48 AM

                        You don't. Unless other CHs call them out on it or post contradicting experiences. And then you are stuck determining who is more truthful. But the phrases " I heard", "someone told me", " a coworker/ friend" or " the Globe/Post/Sun reviewer" to me imply non first hand knowledge.

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                          c oliver RE: viperlush Mar 10, 2014 10:50 AM

                          Agreed. And if they use those words, then I'm forewarned. I have no problem with that.

              3. monavano RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 10:20 AM

                I don't need someone to have eaten in a restaurant in order to recommend it. CH'ers are generally "in the know" when it comes to the food scene where they live, so if they recommend based on their food critic's review, or word of mouth, or another board, then it helps me and I give weight to their information.

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                  Steve RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 11:22 AM

                  I highly frown upon people passing off opinions as their own. It encourage a sheep mentality, and it can be difficult to separate a 'passed on' suggestion from a personal rec.

                  1. greygarious RE: Bellachefa Mar 10, 2014 12:11 PM

                    The FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corp) guarantees that your savings account is safe. There's no Food Deliciousness Insurance Corp. Recommendations are not guarantees. A place may be as good as, better, or worse than it was when Mr. Finicky dined there 5 yrs ago.
                    Even if Mr. Trendy replies to Mr. Finicky's outdated rec to say that there's a different chef/menu now, it doesn't vouchsafe that that's an improvement. Even if nobody has anything but high praise for Cafe Yummo, Mr. Traveler may have the misfortune of dining there when the head cook is out sick, or having a really bad day. Or maybe everything he orders at Cafe Yummo is too salty for Mr. Traveler's personal palate. I don't see contributing to the discussion with second-hand info like a colleague's experience, or having read print reviews, as being irrelevant, but I see no reason to pretend that this info comes from one's own experience.

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