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TIPPING: "There oughta be an app for that!"

chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 01:16 AM

Based on the number of tipping questions/threads/confusions/concerns/complaints on this thread, it seems many of you share my sentiment; there really should be a great app out there to help guide tipping behavior, particularly at places new to you or in new or foreign locales.
1) Do you use a tipping app? If so, which one? What do you like about it, and what do you feel it doesn't do so well?
2) What is your relationship to the food industry? Diner, server, bartender, chef, cook, restauranteur, something else, some combination?
3) If you could design your own ideal tipping app, how would it work and what features would it have?

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    kseiverd RE: chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 03:17 AM

    I find it really SAD that ADULTS need an app (or calculator) to come up with a ballpark figure of 15-20% of a bill!

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      ttoommyy RE: kseiverd Feb 27, 2014 03:46 AM

      To be fair to the OP, the part about tipping in foreign locales would be helpful.

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        linguafood RE: kseiverd Feb 27, 2014 09:03 AM

        You might find that sad, but as someone who organizes a weekly dinner with a large group -- sometimes up to 16-18 folks, an app like that is mighty helpful.

        I'm pretty sure we could figure out the 20% tip on the bill, but nobody cares about having to do division with their tummies full.

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          chartreauxx RE: linguafood Feb 27, 2014 09:11 AM

          do you have an app you use/recommend, and if so, what's good about it and what's not so good?

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            linguafood RE: chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 09:22 AM

            I use the aptly named (free) "tip calculator", and I love it. I honestly have no complaints about it at all: easy to use, and you can split a bill for up to 50 (!) people and tip up to 50%.

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              chartreauxx RE: linguafood Feb 27, 2014 09:26 AM

              wow that is one heck of a dinner party! O_o i don't think i have that many friends lol! thanks :-) i'll go download that!

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            gourmanda RE: linguafood Feb 27, 2014 12:51 PM

            Not being snarky, but doesn't a calculator accomplish the same thing? And don't all phones come with a calculator?

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              linguafood RE: gourmanda Feb 27, 2014 01:35 PM

              I find this to be the easiest way, since the app calculates the tip, the total and the share everyone has to pay in one fell swoop.

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                gourmanda RE: linguafood Feb 27, 2014 01:40 PM

                Gotcha. We rarely go out with a group that big so don't have much need for an app...but since you do (weekly!), then I can see it being handy.

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            chartreauxx RE: kseiverd Feb 27, 2014 09:09 AM

            actually, it's not necessarily about doing the math for me; it's about figuring out what is expected or appropriate at a given establishment, *based on the service and experience i had*. for example, if the service was mediocre to poor, what's appropriate? do people tip here at a place where it's counter service only? i had totally above and beyond service, is a 35% tip over-the-top and weird or indicative of my appreciation? and as lingua says, too, sometimes it's just a pain to do the math - less about being "able" to and more about the convenience factor.

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              Harters RE: chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 09:53 AM

              I rarely find tipping a difficult subject. I know what the tipping culture is where I am in the world and it's very easy to Google to find what culture might apply when I'm visiting a foreign country.

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                ttoommyy RE: Harters Feb 27, 2014 10:02 AM

                But sometimes one does not have wifi access while in various places in order to Google and then an app would come in handy; plus, all the information is in one place.

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                  Harters RE: ttoommyy Feb 27, 2014 10:42 AM

                  It's just an integral part of the research I do before travelling to another country.

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                    ttoommyy RE: Harters Feb 27, 2014 11:06 AM

                    Yes, I understand that and I do a lot of research, believe me. Its just that you can't plan for everything and for some situations an app like the OP proposed might come in handy. Plus, said app might be a good place to store a lot of that pre-trip research. But of course, to each his own. Just stating my opinion; certainly not telling you or anyone else what to do. :)

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                      Harters RE: ttoommyy Feb 27, 2014 11:26 AM

                      Yep, I'm sure it may well come in handy for some who may not have planned as well as you or I. If someone thinks they can make money on it, it's sure to be developed.

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                        chartreauxx RE: Harters Feb 27, 2014 11:30 AM

                        i guess i was just asking because i often find myself torn about how much is "appropriate" to tip. i frankly don't like tipping as a practice, i simply think people should be paid a fair wage for fair work, but as long as tipping is a thing (it sure is here, USA) i wouldn't mind some guidance!

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                          Harters RE: chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 11:37 AM

                          Understood, chartreauxx. I think that Americans get over-obsessed with the subject. I'm sure it's a cultural thing.

                          Tipping questions get asked here, often with some angst, that simply would never be raised on a European led board. I think we know different European countries have different tipping cultures and I'm sure that, when we visit, we just adapt to local culture or just carry on with whatever our own culture is. It's never seen to be an issue.

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                            chartreauxx RE: Harters Feb 27, 2014 11:42 AM

                            i wish we had a more european model!

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                              Harters RE: chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 01:13 PM

                              Me too. Meal costs in America contribute to making it a an expensive holiday - we can't vsiit as often as we'd like.

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                          linguafood RE: Harters Feb 27, 2014 11:42 AM

                          The tip calculator app is free.

                2. PhilD RE: chartreauxx Feb 27, 2014 08:50 PM

                  It may sound like a good idea but trying to get consensus about the tipping culture in many countries is far from easy.

                  My observation is that cultural norms are being exported across the world so a lot of younger people will say you should tip in countries where older people traditionally don't tip. There is often a complete lack of logic to the position so maybe there is some oneupmanship or other psychological factor - Australia is a good example where tipping was rare but ask the question these days and you will be told 10% is standard.

                  I am also quite cynical about the impartiality of a lot of advice on tipping culture, the "I waited tables and everyone tips" type of input especially when it is also a comment from a foreigner about another country.

                  The US is one of the few countries with a very high, pretty much mandatory, tipping culture. I am quite surprised by the vitriol I see in tipping treads that is directed at the "cheap skates" who don't tip full freight, and the number of people who seem always tip at 20% - is service always that good or is it a habit?

                  The other observation I have is the tipping inflation in the US, when I first visited I recall 10 to 15% as a standard tip, it now seems to be 20 to 25%.......when will it head to 25 too 25%...?

                  But the app would be good to help us foriegners to work out the tipping culture in places like Miami where it seems to be included in the bill automatically at 18%. My assumption was we just paid it but was I correct....?

                  An one other suggestion, maybe an App that identifies the value of money when it is all the same colour may help us tourists avoid overpaying/tipping ;-))

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                    gardencook RE: chartreauxx Feb 28, 2014 06:26 AM

                    I think there are just too many variables to write an app that gives subjective advice on how to tip. You'd be poking at your screen for ages, ignoring your dining companions in the process, to input all the information to spit out a number. I think it's better to keep Alzheimer's at bay by using the grey cells to come to a tipping conclusion on your own rather than having some 20 year old app developer figure it out for you.

                    1. MGZ RE: chartreauxx Feb 28, 2014 06:46 AM

                      Maybe I'm a moron, but I'm pretty sure that if you drop the digit on the bill farthest to the right, you are left with ten percent of the tab. (For example, a dinner check of $325.77 becomes $32.57 when you cross off the final seven.) If you double the resulting number, you arrive at twenty percent. That's some fuckin' abracadabra shit right there, huh? I've even managed to pull this trick off after more than a dozen drinks and a coupla bathroom breaks for bat hits - though I may have rounded off a bit.

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                        ttoommyy RE: MGZ Feb 28, 2014 08:29 AM

                        If you read the whole thread, the proposed app would do a lot more than just calculate 20% of the bill. There is talk about tipping customs in foreign countries, splitting the bill and tip, and other tipping-related information.

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                          Harters RE: ttoommyy Feb 28, 2014 08:47 AM

                          The difficulties would arise regarding foreign countries.

                          We generally know the customs in our own country but I have a sense that reaching unanimity on customs elsewhere would not be easy. For example, Spain is the country I visit most often and I read varied advice in guidebooks and on reputable websites that ranges from 10% to a few coins. By the by, I take my guidance from my Spanish relative and leave a few coins. Belgium is another problem area for me - does it have a universal tipping culture or does it follow language - with a few coins being fine in the French speaking area, following custom in France, or in the Dutch areas, the 10% that would be the norm in the Netherlands. Not easy this tipping lark. Not easy at all.

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                            ttoommyy RE: Harters Feb 28, 2014 11:13 AM

                            I agree. But perhaps this "fantasy" app would have this type of information all in one place for the user and allow the user to decide for himself; but at least the user would be a bit more educated thanks to the app.

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                              Harters RE: ttoommyy Feb 28, 2014 01:41 PM

                              Ah. I like that idea. An app designed to deal with confusions, that doesnt :-)

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                          kseiverd RE: MGZ Mar 2, 2014 05:47 AM

                          This is EXACTLY what was going thru my brain when I posted above :0

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                            linguafood RE: kseiverd Mar 2, 2014 09:43 AM

                            Well, if you read the rest of the thread you'd realize that this is about more than 'just figuring out a 20% tip' (which I believe most of us could do without the help of an app).

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                          mwk RE: chartreauxx Mar 3, 2014 10:52 AM

                          I use "Tip 'N Split" for the Android (I'm sure there's an iPhone version as well), and I love it.

                          What do I like? You enter the cost of the meal and then you choose what percentage tip you'd like to leave. Finally, you note the number of people in your party and it tells you how much they each owe.

                          Once you've added the basic information, if you decide you want to leave a larger tip or want to round something up or down to the nearest dollar, you can play with each of the individual inputs to get whatever output you want.

                          I have no relationship to the food industry, I'm just hungry three times a day :)

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                            gardencook RE: mwk Mar 3, 2014 11:25 AM

                            Golly, that sounds much like something I once heard of... calculator I think they called it.

                            (I'm being cheeky... just couldn't resist. Please don't take offense. It's about the app, not the user. Cheers!)

                            Our portable app is our 11 year old that has to figure out the various ranges of tips. A bit more expensive to raise a child to just calculate tips, but they can be useful in other ways. ;)

                            1. re: gardencook
                              mwk RE: gardencook Mar 3, 2014 12:41 PM

                              I won't take offense. But, it's more like a spreadsheet than a calculator, if you want to make a comparison. The great advantage of a spreadsheet is that you can change one input in a formula and see how it will change all the outputs all at once.

                              For example, if I figure a tip with everyone as individuals, and then people decide to pay as couples, I can change the number in the party from 6 to 3, and round up to the nearest dollar so that it's easier for everyone.

                              Oh, and my grandfather would be making fun of anyone that needed to use a calculator for anything. When I was a kid, we got our first electronic calculator and he was confused why anyone would need that if they had a pencil and paper handy :)

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                              mselectra RE: mwk Mar 3, 2014 01:00 PM

                              Well, mwk, I am downloading Tip N Split as I type, so I thank you for the, uh, tip about it. Not sure I'll use it much (don't go out with big enough groups often), but looks handy to have in case.

                              Nice that my snow day Chowhound lurking is turning a bit practical.

                              And I also remember when the introduction of calculators was destroying the the youth of America.

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