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Bishop & Bagg

Just posted this in the "openings and closings" thread but maybe it should just be its own thread.

Just tried it out. Score!! Great addition to the neighbourhood.

Space is very warm and cozy. Just opened this weekend but already a good crowd. We tried a bunch of plates: jerk cornish hen, mushroom rarebit, arugula and beet salad, and... crispy pork belly with grilled endive, maple mustard, and grapes. All really well priced. Apparently the chef used to work at Joe Beef... and a couple of other places I've forgotten.

My favourite thing: in true British fashion the menu offers "pudding" instead of "dessert". It's all in the details...

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  1. I can't comment on the food quality except for desserts and bar snacks (which were quite good), but at their soft launch on Friday there were more than a few kinks that needed to be worked out. I won't elaborate as they might resolve the issues but I'm not as convinced quite yet..

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    1. re: Fintastic

      Classy move not elaborating on the kinks; after all that's sort of the point of a soft launch!

      1. re: nochainsplease

        Based on their Friday operations I've inferred that they want this to be a bit like a classic British pub (orders placed at the bar, and a busboy/busgirl to deliver places and clear the tables)? This was where most of our problems emerged. However, we arrived late (only bar food was available), so maybe it was just their evening modus operandi. In any case, this will inevitably be tweaked.
        I'm glad to hear the dishes were good, though. I'll definitely return in the coming weeks.

        1. re: Fintastic

          It sounds like a nice little snug, which is not a bad thing in the ghastly winter we've been having.

          I assume there are good beer choices. How about cider?

      2. re: Fintastic

        Service and speed are the most obvious kinks to work out in a launch, but reviewing food at a launch is pretty pointless, too, because it could change based on feedback, or it being harder to make efficiently/economically than they thought on paper, or any number of things - some places only serve sample sizes at launches, for eg (it doesn't affect taste, but it could 'soft launch' the kitchen on some dishes' efficiency, or 'soft launch' the owner on the costs). My 2 cents as someone who worked in a few kitchens, including a new place.

        Give a resto 2-3 wks to judge as a layman; professional reviewers should give it a couple months minimum. Unfortunately the internet age of multiple bloggers and the rush to get the scoop has made a number of 'professional' reviewers less than pros in this regard.

        Remember, exceptions prove the rule ;-)
        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9273...

      3. No kids allowed. What do these places fail to understand about the word «Public House»?

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        1. re: Siumaieater

          If this place has a bar license, it would be illegal for them to allow children.

          1. re: SnackHappy

            Exactly. If they wish to serve alcohol without a meal, they need a bar license and if they have one of those, they can't allow minors on the premises.

            1. re: LordWilmore

              leave your damn kids at home. it's a pub, do you really want your kids to hear how i speak at a pub?

          2. re: Siumaieater

            I don't think "public house" means what you think it means :P

            1. re: andyse7en

              If you want to imitate the British, at least do it right:

              http://www.beerandpub.com/industry-br...

              At least BC sees things as I do:

              http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british...

              1. re: Siumaieater

                letting children in the bar is doing things right? what's next, people marrying their pets?

                1. re: frogsteak

                  What's next? Bringing your kids to bars open until 6:00 a.m., then you can just drop them at school on your way home to sleep it off!

                  1. re: eat2much

                    I can think of 3 restaurants that I would like to eat at that do not allow children. I enjoy these restaurants at lunch(when kids are at school) or for a date night with my husband alone. I really don't think that it is a big deal. I don't understand the indignation....

                    1. re: C70

                      Mine is turning 18 in a few days!

                  2. re: Siumaieater

                    1. There are a great many ways in which the British should not be emulated in their attitudes toward alcohol.

                    2. Christy Clark's unofficial musings speak for all British Columbians like Marois speaks for myself and every single last person I know.

                    p.s. Clark's in favour of letting kids in bars and bringing back happy hour (!) ... but not beer being sold in groceries because of "public safety concerns". Makes sense.

                    How ironic that the sidebar contains a poignant reminder of why happy hour has been banned (for decades) in every Canadian and virtually every North American jurisdiction outside Quebec: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british...

                    1. re: Shattered

                      But isn't the problem there ... driving?

                      1. re: lagatta

                        The accident occurred at 7pm, and the driver is suspected of being impaired. Happy hour specials were banned, in most places, in the 80s to reduce drinking & driving. Happy hour specials encourage drinking immediately after work. Chances are, people walk to a bar near their work, drink, then drive home to the suburbs. Even if they go to a bar closer to home, if they live in the burbs they still have to drive home.

                        Clark's ideas on happy hours would encourage more 7pm drunk driving, which is especially unreal since she thinks it's dangerous for people to buy closed containers of beer, to be safely consumed at home, at the grocery store.

                        1. re: Shattered

                          Yes, that is odd. From here in Québec, it seems downright quaint.

                          Obviously, my point is that if people took public transport, the worst that would happen afterwards might be some rudeness and stupidity, not deaths. But this is a board about food and drink, not urban planning (I'm on those a lot too).

              2. Detailed article on Bishop and Bagg in the Gazette this morning: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/f...

                1. Hi again - went back to Bishop & Bagg for brunch not too long ago. Had maple crepes and ricotta on toast. Simple, tasty options and really reasonable prices.

                  Also had dinner there once more - tried whole rainbow trout with fiddleheads and beurre blanc (fantastic, if you're man enough to overlook a few bones and enjoy fish the way it was meant to be eaten) and had a few bites of steak which was also really good.