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Non-Third Wave Coffee places

vabou Feb 26, 2014 04:12 PM

Not that i am oppose to good quality coffee!

But i would want to find places in the mile-end / plateau area (that will not be a chain) were they serve good coffee that is not roast in the North America style like Intelligentsa or Phil & Sebastian et al. I like it but sometimes i feel for a more classic european coffee.

As a bonus, if the place is not too much hipster it will be great!

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    Maximilien RE: vabou Feb 26, 2014 05:27 PM

    There's a map of coffee places that was posted recently :


    I'd go further up to Little Italie and go to San Simeon (39 Rue Dante) or Café Italia (6840 Boulevard Saint-Laurent) or any other "Italian" coffee places in the area.

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      lagatta RE: Maximilien Feb 26, 2014 06:29 PM

      I love San Simeon. Of course for me it is micro-local, but it isn't much of a walk up from Mile End.

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        CaptCrunch RE: Maximilien Feb 26, 2014 08:23 PM

        That map is insane.

        Its really cool but its also insane.


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        CaptCrunch RE: vabou Feb 26, 2014 08:21 PM

        Are you talking about italian expresso places or second wave coffee shops?

        For second wave coffee I like Aux Deux Maries and Brûlerie Saint-Denis.

        I seem to remember Café Art Java having a good reputation before the third wave thing hit.

        If you are looking for the italian alternative maybe café olympico or club social (are they third wave places now? too hipster maybe?)

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          Fintastic RE: vabou Feb 26, 2014 09:43 PM

          Tough to beat Cafe Italia, and rarely a hipster to be found..

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            Shattered RE: vabou Feb 26, 2014 11:47 PM

            Cafe Central Portugais on Duluth at St-Dominique. Not a hipster to be found, ever (it doesn't belong to any 'wave', either).

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              lagatta RE: Shattered Feb 27, 2014 05:09 AM

              Very few women to be found either. Like the Italian cafés a generation ago.

              As a woman who doesn't speak much Portuguese, I'd feel odd going there, unless I was with a Portuguese-speaking friend.

              I'll add that I also miss the old Hungarian cafés...

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                alinemramos RE: lagatta Feb 28, 2014 07:59 AM

                For what it's worth, as a woman who speaks Portuguese, I don't feel comfortable in there either. Tried once, got very weird rude service walking in, then left never to come back again.

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              sweettoothMTL RE: vabou Feb 27, 2014 01:13 PM

              Café Olympico and Café Social on St-Viateur serve more classic italian/european style coffee and is right in the middle of the mile -end.

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                williej RE: sweettoothMTL Feb 27, 2014 01:47 PM

                I wouldn't even know what a hipster looks like. To me, coffee and tea is coffee and tea. Who cares how the customers dress?

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                  Fintastic RE: williej Feb 27, 2014 03:16 PM

                  Seconded. The presence of hipsters is regularly levelled as a criticism of restaurants on review sites like Yelp and Tripadvisor, but I can't really imagine why it matters. If you go to any semi-decent restaurant in Mile End or Brooklyn there are going to be hipsters: how can one hold that against an establishment??

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                    lagatta RE: Fintastic Feb 27, 2014 04:25 PM

                    Yes, it is just a fashion.

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                      Mr F RE: Fintastic Feb 28, 2014 06:12 AM

                      Hipsters are like assholes and douchebags: it's always somebody else who is one. I'll bet half the people here who toss around the word "hipster" as a slur are considered hipsters by strangers who see them going about their business.

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                        Shattered RE: Mr F Feb 28, 2014 08:14 AM

                        When I think hipster in the context of a cafe or small restaurant, I think of someone who's not there to socialize or have a quick coffee/bite then leave, I think of someone doing their knitting, reading, laptopping, playing with their phone... and usually taking up an entire 4-top table to themselves doing it. Basically solitary squatters taking the best seats, and that's why I would avoid places full of them (and when they are socializing, they're often talking far too loudly because everyone around them should be soooo impressed they can namedrop Vonnegut).

                        Plus solid black sleeve tattoos and bovine-style nose piercings are ugly as fuck. That may seem trivial, but if I'm going out I'd like to enjoy the scenery.

                        Just my 2 cents.

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                          Mr F RE: Shattered Feb 28, 2014 08:26 AM

                          That's just rude and/or obnoxious behaviour, plain and simple. I would also avoid places that tolerate or encourage that kind of thing (the camping out etc., not customers' personal style choices... on that score I don't give a damn how other customers look).

                          But what's inherently "hipster" about any of it is beyond me.

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                            Shattered RE: Mr F Feb 28, 2014 08:31 AM

                            Because young people with too much time on their hands are overwhelmingly the ones doing it, and young un- or underemployed people fall into two categories: hipsters and students. At least students look like they're working toward eventual full employment (even if they should be at a library), and look and smell nice (and yes, I do care about that stuff: the social contract involves basic hygiene and presentability, or at least it did onceaponatime).

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                              Fintastic RE: Shattered Feb 28, 2014 09:14 AM

                              Clearly this is off topic, but I think the people you refer to who take up a 4-top (or worse, 2 2-tops!) may sometimes dress as hipsters, but don't be fooled: they're just douchebags in cardigans. The problem with the label, as MrF points out, is that people often use it to describe any young adult they find irritating. Moreover, I probably look like a hipster to many, but I wouldn't be caught dead taking up excess tables or smelling up a restaurant.

                              I suspect hipster-phobia is mostly driven by the famous Marxian observation: "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member".

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                                williej RE: Fintastic Feb 28, 2014 09:33 AM

                                Maybe the OP can weigh in here as their original reference to the H word was pretty vague.

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                                  vabou RE: williej Feb 28, 2014 01:55 PM

                                  I didnt want to start a fight around "hipsters"! My comment was not directed against the persons (it's not that easy for me to write in english) but the type of place : communal tables, laptop all around, non-comfortable seating, etc. I just look for a calm and cozy place where you can drink a coffee that doesnt taste like american style of roasting.

                                  Thanks for all the suggestions.

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                                    williej RE: vabou Feb 28, 2014 02:47 PM

                                    Thanks. Yes best to talk about the setup of the place rather than generalizing about people with some label that doesnt mean anything

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                                      Shattered RE: vabou Mar 1, 2014 11:40 AM

                                      Vabou: Yes, that's exactly the 'hipster' set-up I think of and try to avoid too. Parvis, Cabigi, and Kitsune being some prime examples. See my thread here:

                                      Fintastic: Yes, we're saying the exact same thing. It's about behaviour, not just fashion. "douchebags in cardigans" - that sums it up. Most hipsters are nice people with terrible sweaters (I'm friends with some - and my vintage leather jackets and beard might be 'hipster' to some, although it's a 70s rocker look to me), but the douchenozzles give them all a bad name, enough so that many seek to avoid them.

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