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Feb 26, 2014 04:12 PM

Non-Third Wave Coffee places

Not that i am oppose to good quality coffee!

But i would want to find places in the mile-end / plateau area (that will not be a chain) were they serve good coffee that is not roast in the North America style like Intelligentsa or Phil & Sebastian et al. I like it but sometimes i feel for a more classic european coffee.

As a bonus, if the place is not too much hipster it will be great!

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  1. There's a map of coffee places that was posted recently :

    I'd go further up to Little Italie and go to San Simeon (39 Rue Dante) or Café Italia (6840 Boulevard Saint-Laurent) or any other "Italian" coffee places in the area.

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    1. re: Maximilien

      I love San Simeon. Of course for me it is micro-local, but it isn't much of a walk up from Mile End.

      1. re: Maximilien

        That map is insane.

        Its really cool but its also insane.


      2. Are you talking about italian expresso places or second wave coffee shops?

        For second wave coffee I like Aux Deux Maries and Brûlerie Saint-Denis.

        I seem to remember Café Art Java having a good reputation before the third wave thing hit.

        If you are looking for the italian alternative maybe café olympico or club social (are they third wave places now? too hipster maybe?)

        1. Tough to beat Cafe Italia, and rarely a hipster to be found..

          1. Cafe Central Portugais on Duluth at St-Dominique. Not a hipster to be found, ever (it doesn't belong to any 'wave', either).

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            1. re: Shattered

              Very few women to be found either. Like the Italian cafés a generation ago.

              As a woman who doesn't speak much Portuguese, I'd feel odd going there, unless I was with a Portuguese-speaking friend.

              I'll add that I also miss the old Hungarian cafés...

              1. re: lagatta

                For what it's worth, as a woman who speaks Portuguese, I don't feel comfortable in there either. Tried once, got very weird rude service walking in, then left never to come back again.

            2. Café Olympico and Café Social on St-Viateur serve more classic italian/european style coffee and is right in the middle of the mile -end.

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              1. re: sweettoothMTL

                I wouldn't even know what a hipster looks like. To me, coffee and tea is coffee and tea. Who cares how the customers dress?

                1. re: williej

                  Seconded. The presence of hipsters is regularly levelled as a criticism of restaurants on review sites like Yelp and Tripadvisor, but I can't really imagine why it matters. If you go to any semi-decent restaurant in Mile End or Brooklyn there are going to be hipsters: how can one hold that against an establishment??

                    1. re: Fintastic

                      Hipsters are like assholes and douchebags: it's always somebody else who is one. I'll bet half the people here who toss around the word "hipster" as a slur are considered hipsters by strangers who see them going about their business.

                      1. re: Mr F

                        When I think hipster in the context of a cafe or small restaurant, I think of someone who's not there to socialize or have a quick coffee/bite then leave, I think of someone doing their knitting, reading, laptopping, playing with their phone... and usually taking up an entire 4-top table to themselves doing it. Basically solitary squatters taking the best seats, and that's why I would avoid places full of them (and when they are socializing, they're often talking far too loudly because everyone around them should be soooo impressed they can namedrop Vonnegut).

                        Plus solid black sleeve tattoos and bovine-style nose piercings are ugly as fuck. That may seem trivial, but if I'm going out I'd like to enjoy the scenery.

                        Just my 2 cents.

                        1. re: Shattered

                          That's just rude and/or obnoxious behaviour, plain and simple. I would also avoid places that tolerate or encourage that kind of thing (the camping out etc., not customers' personal style choices... on that score I don't give a damn how other customers look).

                          But what's inherently "hipster" about any of it is beyond me.

                          1. re: Mr F

                            Because young people with too much time on their hands are overwhelmingly the ones doing it, and young un- or underemployed people fall into two categories: hipsters and students. At least students look like they're working toward eventual full employment (even if they should be at a library), and look and smell nice (and yes, I do care about that stuff: the social contract involves basic hygiene and presentability, or at least it did onceaponatime).

                            1. re: Shattered

                              Clearly this is off topic, but I think the people you refer to who take up a 4-top (or worse, 2 2-tops!) may sometimes dress as hipsters, but don't be fooled: they're just douchebags in cardigans. The problem with the label, as MrF points out, is that people often use it to describe any young adult they find irritating. Moreover, I probably look like a hipster to many, but I wouldn't be caught dead taking up excess tables or smelling up a restaurant.

                              I suspect hipster-phobia is mostly driven by the famous Marxian observation: "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member".

                              1. re: Fintastic

                                Maybe the OP can weigh in here as their original reference to the H word was pretty vague.

                                1. re: williej

                                  I didnt want to start a fight around "hipsters"! My comment was not directed against the persons (it's not that easy for me to write in english) but the type of place : communal tables, laptop all around, non-comfortable seating, etc. I just look for a calm and cozy place where you can drink a coffee that doesnt taste like american style of roasting.

                                  Thanks for all the suggestions.

                                  1. re: vabou

                                    Thanks. Yes best to talk about the setup of the place rather than generalizing about people with some label that doesnt mean anything

                                    1. re: vabou

                                      Vabou: Yes, that's exactly the 'hipster' set-up I think of and try to avoid too. Parvis, Cabigi, and Kitsune being some prime examples. See my thread here:

                                      Fintastic: Yes, we're saying the exact same thing. It's about behaviour, not just fashion. "douchebags in cardigans" - that sums it up. Most hipsters are nice people with terrible sweaters (I'm friends with some - and my vintage leather jackets and beard might be 'hipster' to some, although it's a 70s rocker look to me), but the douchenozzles give them all a bad name, enough so that many seek to avoid them.