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Dog freindly restaurants.Have you ever brought along your pooch ?

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Just curious.I love dogs.I wan't one of my own someday.Well behaved of course.I would bring my dog.Do you ?

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  1. Yes, I take my little guy to outdoor patios in the warm weather.

    1. I tried to once, to sit outside, and was told they weren't allowed to have dogs, and I had to leave, as it was a hot day and I wasn't going to leave the dog in the car.

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      1. re: BobbieSue

        Generally, here in California, the rule is that you have to be able to access the patio with out entering the restaurant. Of course, each restaurant can also make their own policy as to whether or not they welcome dogs.

        And, of course, if the dog is not welcome we can either get take out and picnic in the park or find another restaurant.

      2. All the time. We travel with him too, so we are always looking for dog friendly places, both lodging and restaurants.

        Tiny dog has dined at a Michelin-starred restaurant and at a restaurant where the chef formerly worked at the French Laundry, ;)

        I usually make it a point to mention dog friendly spots when I post trip reports.

        1. Lots of outdoor dining in my city once winter finally ends. Yes, I take one of my dogs but not the other (he's a PITA). Many of the restaurants, hotels and shops have water bowls out front for passing canines. It is nice.

          Dogs are not permitted inside restaurants here.

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          1. re: tcamp

            You do bring the so called PITA back a treat I hope? So as not to play favorites:) They have feelings you know!

            1. re: MamasCooking

              Daddy gives him plenty of treats. He is pretty spoiled, TBH.

          2. We have a little take out place up the road so I can bring him there, as you eat outside at picnic tables (it is seasonal) and I can trust my dog to wait outside until I go in,order and come back out without running off on me.
            He is well behaved, and does not bother others so I don't mind bringing him along, some people's dogs should not go anywhere...JMO

            1. Yes, only to places that specifically promote a dog-friendly patio. We usually take her for a nice long walk or a visit to the dog park first, so she's ready to chill out and people watch while we eat.

              1. yes several times we brought Topeka but she stayed in my purse. no one knew we even brought her.
                mini ShihTzu...she also went to work with me everyday and stayed in my purse-just liked to be around family.
                no trouble at all

                we do take Wachiwi & Aleusia to restaurants too but only if they're doggie friendly. neither fit in my purse or car for that matter
                ;:-/

                1. I love dogs, too, but this is a disgusting practice. In California, dogs are allowed only in outdoor restaurant spaces (restaurateurs need not admit them), but some places ignore the law an let them inside. We also have the problem in California of people faking "service dog" status so as to take them in places which would not otherwise alliw them. This is so widespread that the legislature is looking into ways to deal with it. I hate scofflaws.

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                  1. re: GH1618

                    "They gave me a Chihuahua?"

                    1. re: GH1618

                      I love dogs and when I had a small one, he stayed home. I never felt the need to drag him everywhere I went. The thought of people at a restaurant, petting their pups and then handling the salt & pepper shakers grosses me out. I think it's inconsiderate to other people. Especially people who have serious allergies or asthma.

                      1. re: Kate is always hungry

                        I can appreciate that, but really, you can't think too hard about where people's hands have been/been doing before touching communal table items. If you go down that road you'd never leave the house!

                        1. re: Kate is always hungry

                          Kate is always hungry: study after study has shown that pet allergens are found in abundance in most public places including the ones that don't allow pets.
                          if you really believe that you, or that people with allergies will not be exposed to those allergens in restaurants that don't allow pets, sadly, you're deceiving yourself.

                          in particular, cat allergen particles (Fel d 1" allergen) which are particularly small (1/10 the size of dust mite allergen), remain airborne for prolonged periods of time and are found virtually everywhere.

                          1. re: westsidegal

                            I think this was directed at me. For the most part, public allergens can be controlled by the drugs we take to prevent a reaction. I don't dispute that there are allergens in public places. The fact is, that when in direct or very close contact with animals, the allergic reaction is much worse.

                            You might say that people are deceiving themselves, but their histamines are not. When you are allergic, you react - it's not like a person "chooses" to be allergic or that their reaction is subjective in some way. I think that people who think that their dogs in public places are harmless are the ones deceiving themselves. They just don't want to think that their pooch may be the source of discomfort for others, so like you, they deflect. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Your dog bothers my allergies. It bothers a lot of people.

                            1. re: gardencook

                              I *do* follow what you're saying, and while none of us here are allergic to dogs, we deal with cats, cigarettes, dust mites, and approximately a bajillion other airborne allergies.

                              I'm perfectly happy to keep my big guy out on the terrace -- but even when he's at home and I'm at the restaurant, his fur and his allergens are on my clothes, skin, and hair...and while I absolutely do empathise AND sympathise with your predicament, there is just no way for me to be allergen-free. I figure it's probably easier for you if I'm sitting on the patio with my dog than if I and my allergen-laden clothing are sitting next to you in an enclosed space with badly-filtered and recycled air.

                              1. re: sunshine842

                                No, there is no way to be allergen free. However, having the animal RIGHT THERE, enclosed or not, is much worse than what you carry on your clothes. I'm offering up some food for thought. Not everyone will take it into consideration. Ultimately, the dog owner, assuming the restaurant allows the pets in their establishment, gets her way. I leave my meal unfinished in the midst of an allergic reaction and you get to stay and pet your dog while you eat.

                                1. re: gardencook

                                  Outside. According to local regulations. As advertised by the establishment.

                                  1. re: gardencook

                                    I had a meal ruined by a women who had so much perfume on that she triggred a confusional mirgrine which Mom..which is sizzure like.. Some people just live in their own little worlds ....

                                    1. re: girloftheworld

                                      and I have had to leave restaurants, clubs, and private parties because of cigar smoke. I wasn't happy to have to leave (always makes a stir when the bridesmaid stumbles out of the reception with a deathgrip on her inhaler....) but the guy smoking the vile cigar was completely within the laws at the time, and within his rights to do so. (and to give due credit, he came out and apologized for having caused an attack)

                                      It ain't fair.. but those of us who suffer allergies just have to live with the fact that we just can't go everywhere and do everything that we wish we could. Happily, I get to go and do almost everything, so I content myself with that.

                                      1. re: girloftheworld

                                        I've had whole days ruined by women wearing so much perfume to trigger a massive migraine. If I wear too much my own, very light fragrance, I get really sick. Then there were the department store perfume models who would spray first and ask questions later.

                                        You are so right! Some people do live in their own little worlds! Some of us choose to be considerate of others. I hope to think I'm in the latter category.

                                        1. re: Kate is always hungry

                                          ugh -- thank heavens the perfume muggers in the malls have finally begun to realize that not everyone wants to smell like the entire perfume counter. I still mostly just zoom through the perfume department because I can't breathe.

                                          I've also been around people who were not swimming in perfume, but there was some note in the fragrance that set my allergies haywire..my MIL gave me a bottle of fragrance one year that set hubby off so bad that I had to change clothes and take a shower before he quit sneezing. Opened the doors and windows and gave that bottle away....

                                          It's not always people being inconsiderate or self-insulated. Sometimes it's just that our bodies are hypersensitive to whatever it is.

                              2. re: Kate is always hungry

                                so the guy who didn't wash his hands after visiting the toilet, and the kid over there mining for gold in his nose don't bother you?

                                You have to just choose to not think too hard about how dirty life really is -- it'll drive you insane if you do.

                                1. re: sunshine842

                                  Of course it bothers me that many people don't wash their hands after using the toilet, or where kids put their hands, but that wasn't the topic of this thread. Hygiene aside, I just don't get the need to take a pet everywhere. It never occurred to me to take either of my dogs or cats anywhere, but especially not when I went out to eat.

                                  1. re: Kate is always hungry

                                    Is it beyond the possibility that someone could be on their way to or from somewhere....like vacation?

                                    Our dog is not an accessory -- he stays home most of the time...but we like having him with us, and he likes being around us, so we take him when it's legal and advertised as acceptable. We're also never the only folks with a dog.

                                    1. re: sunshine842

                                      I think it's just difficult for some of us to understand the draw of wanting to include a dog in a dining experience. We have the one animal that I know I'm not allergic to... a rabbit. I can cuddle on that cute little thing all day and no tear wells in my eye. Not even a sniffle. It's nice to have her flop beside me and take a nap with me. But I'm not compelled to take her on vacation or to take her out to eat with me or to even have her in the kitchen when I'm eating. I'm sure there are no explicit rules against bunnies at the restaurant, and yet, most people would object if I brought her along.

                                      The questions is why are dogs different than any other animal?

                                      My best friend is a dog LOVER. Over the top lover of canines. Even she can't understand why people bring their dogs with them, and particularly when they are eating.

                                      But this is one of those wonderful things that make us all different. We don't agree and that is being human. Nothing I say will change your mind. I wonder, though, what would happen if I sneezed ON the offending party who was causing my reaction. Right into their food. (I'm only joking... the reaction is quite embarrassing, actually, and I rush out as fast as possible when it happens.)

                                      1. re: gardencook

                                        Our dog is not a decoration in our life that is only taken out and played with when it's convenient for us-- his is a life that is a part of our lives.

                                        We rescued him when he was half-starved and abandoned and afraid of his own shadow. He's now a sleek and glossy teddy bear happy to make me laugh or just rest his head lovingly on my knee, commiserating with my bad day.

                                        He lives in the house, lays quietly at our feet while we eat (home or away) and gives so much back to us that locking him away in a kennel because he's inconvenient is simply not an option for us.

                                        We don't try to take him places that he's not supposed to be -- faking a disability for any reason is deplorable, including just wanting to take Precious because Paris takes her rat everywhere.

                                        And because he's a hulking huge dog, it's not like we're going to sneak him in anywhere without anyone noticing -- and we are frequently limited by size limits even more than those who have smaller animals.

                                        I hope you someday have a pet in your life who means as much to you.

                                        1. re: sunshine842

                                          I won't have a pet that is ever more than just a pet. That is OK because I have humans in my life that I'm not allergic to and I enjoy being with.

                                          I get it that dogs bring joy to people. They bring misery to others, just like your cigar-smoking fellow or the person who soaked themselves in gallons perfume. That's why some things are better left at home.

                                          What is puzzling is that a person would try to justify their actions because it is for their personal pleasure to have Rover there with them, knowing that they could be making the dog and themselves happy at another human being's expense.

                                          Somehow, it's acceptable to have a dog around, eating off the floor and causing allergic reactions, but children are persona non grata for the most part. leave the children at home and take Spot instead?

                                          I have changed many things in my life because it made someone else uncomfortable. That includes where I take children. My post was to make people aware. You can choose to ignore it, knowing that you are at times making people miserable when taking Fido with you to restaurants. I will continue to leave my meal uneaten and suffer the rest of the day when you do. Life goes on until I have that one reaction I neither recover from, nor find my Epi pen in time.

                                          1. re: gardencook

                                            hat is puzzling is that a person would try to justify their actions because it is for their personal pleasure to have Rover there with them, knowing that they could be making the dog and themselves happy at another human being's expense.

                                            You nailed it.

                                            There is an increasing tendency for dog owners to take a Leopold and Loeb approach with their dogs, by which I mean they regard their dogs as superior, exalted beings should not be fettered by anything as trivial as human safety and comfort.

                                            1. re: gardencook

                                              I never left my kids at home, either.

                                              You've opted to completely ignore the fact that we take the dog ONLY where it is legal and advertised as acceptable. We don't saunter into the interior of a restaurant and have him make himself comfortable on the seat.

                                              Neither of us has the right to insist that our environments remain free of allergens that affect only a tiny percentage of the population....

                                              We still have to live in the world, and it means that I can't go certain places because I'm likely to encounter something that triggers my allergies.

                                              This makes it no more unfair than perfumes or cigars...and your right to avoid animals is no more or no less valid than my right to avoid cigars or perfume.

                                              I *totally* agree with your stance that people who bring their pocket pooches into places where they are not expressly allowed should be prosecuted.

                                              I'm allergic to cigars, so I don't sit on smoking patios....but I also don't talk bitterly about the narcissistic attitude of those who are legally allowed to smoke in areas condoned by the law and advertised by the establishment.

                                              Similar consideration would be nice.

                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                Exactly what Sunshine842 said.
                                                When my dog goes out a) she is well behaved and b) only to places that explicitly cater to and welcome to dogs. I am not a fan of people who sneak dogs in where they aren't welcome or legal, or who try to pretend their dogs are service dogs, or who have ill-behaved dogs that shouldn't be in that environment. You know when you are going to a dog friendly restaurant, and usually they are just on the patio. Eat indoors.
                                                I don't think anyone is hating children per se. But like Dogs, I don't like them where they are or shouldn't be welcome (fine dining) or if they are ill behaved and their parents don't correct the behavior. If I go to Chuck E. Cheese, I'm not going to complain about kids because that is expected. (if one is screaming its head off, attacking my table and throwing food at me, yes I will complain)
                                                Likewise, if you go to a dog friendly patio restaurant, don't complain if there is a sleepy dog or two soaking up the rays on the patio. You were warned and had other choices.

                                                1. re: Firegoat

                                                  Thanks, Firegoat.

                                                  1. re: Firegoat

                                                    Dogs are much better company than many obnoxious belligerent rude people I am forced to mingle with in life:) I like people and interacting as much as the next person but dogs and cats have to be part of my personal landscape of life. I do not have a dog but every one of my neighbor's has a dog or multiple dogs and I know each and every pup around here. They know my cats as well. Starting a conversation with a person walking their dog/dogs has opened up some tightknit friendships for me based on the mutual love of dogs and animals in general. OK sorry. I love animals. I am as passionate about them as I am about delicious food.

                                                  2. re: sunshine842

                                                    "Neither of us has the right to insist that our environments remain free of allergens that affect only a tiny percentage of the population...."

                                                    So would you apply that to children allergic to nuts also? Or it only applies here because of your desire to have your pet with you?

                                                    1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                      If I had a child with a nut allergy (why kids? If *I* had a nut allergy) then I would have to take similar precautions....

                                                      like not eating at places like the old Ground Round that had peanut shells on the floor, a place specializing in Pad Thai (or other peanut-heavy cuising...)or assuming that a sandwich shop that was called something like PB&J should cater to me.

                                                      Same thing...peanuts are legal and for the vast majority of people, cause no problems. If you are allergic to them, then you have to control your exposure. I don't go to cigar bars, pet-allergic people don't hang at pet-friendly restaurants, and peanut-allergic folks shouldn't try to eat at peanut-heavy restaurants.

                                                      1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                        I just have to remark that I personally find it irrational that any adult with a known allergy to dogs would frequent a dog centric environment and expect others to cater to them. What individual with a known allergy to dogs would knowingly subject/expose themselves to a *dog friendly* venue knowing it could trigger an episode:)? Seriously? What am I missing here?

                                                        1. re: MamasCooking

                                                          As the person who started the discussion about allergies... NEVER do I go to a place that is dog-centric. God, those of us allergic are not trying to kill ourselves. It's the in-between spaces where there is no particular rule about dogs. The sentiment is that if you have a dog, fine, but why subject the public to your particular fancy? People don't bring other pets out, why dogs? We walk our rabbit on a leash in our yard, yet we don't consider taking her places where pets may or may not be allowed. The point is that it is YOUR pet, not the public's pet. Keep it where it belongs... at your home. People eating in a restaurant don't want to see your dog licking their balls and then snacking from your hand. It's about a lot more than just allergies. Those that love dogs will never see the bigger picture. Their myopic view of living with canines is beyond explaining and it's really a moot point. Curious that owners of other pets don't seem to have this tunnel vision. For dogs, they must be loving it that their pleasure is above a human's.

                                                          1. re: gardencook

                                                            I can not imagine confining my dogs to our home.
                                                            Different strokes.

                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                              So where do you draw the line of what animal is OK to stay home and what you have to take everywhere including restaurants? Some people are as attached to their ferrets as others are to their dogs. Are tame ferrets, then, OK to bring to lunch? I'm just curious as to the explanation why dogs are OK and other animals are not.

                                                              1. re: gardencook

                                                                I'm not going to take your baiting questions, but what matters is that it's legal and many restaurants allow dogs outside and if you don't like it, don't go.
                                                                Seriously, vote with your wallet, or talk to the owner or manager.
                                                                Maybe you'll change minds.
                                                                Dogs are by and large beloved in America and are given status as such.
                                                                I'm sorry it bothers you to the point is apparently does.
                                                                It must suck to have such animus towards dogs in public so much and have them all around you.
                                                                ;(

                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                  LOL, no wonder some use the phrase "man's best friend"- they are often more pleasant than people.

                                                            2. re: gardencook

                                                              "Licking their balls"?

                                                              That's not possible; they are long gone!

                                                              1. re: ChillyDog

                                                                Why does a dog lick its balls?
                                                                Because he can ;-)

                                                                A dog's nose is magnificent, so smelling theirs or another dog's nether regions is like aromatherapy to them.

                                                              2. re: gardencook

                                                                please substitute "cigarette" for "dog" and listen to yourself.

                                                                If it's legal and condoned by the restaurant, sorry but no, I'm not going to feel bad about it.

                                                                1. re: gardencook

                                                                  You are confusing me. Is your rant against venues where dogs are allowed or are you implying that dogs should not be permitted in public on a leash with their owner, such as walking on a public street? As far as your allergies how you manage the known allergens that trigger your episodes is your responsibility. It is naïve for you to expect or depend on others to keep the public air clear of allergens for you.

                                                        2. re: sunshine842

                                                          That is one lucky pup! Your love and respect for him is so evident. He sounds like a dignified fellow who deserves to be in a warm loving home like yours.

                                                          1. re: MamasCooking

                                                            Thanks -- he's led us to many friendships like you described...and virtually here! :)

                                                          2. re: sunshine842

                                                            Well said, sunshine. Bruin, also a rescue, is as much a part of our lives as our 2-legged kids and, at 143lbs (down from 157), wouldn't be easy to sneak him in anywhere either.

                                                2. re: GH1618

                                                  Disgusting? I don't get how a self professed dog lover finds it disgusting to have dogs at a nearby table. But then I generally assume dog lovers don't make the dogs live outside 24/7.

                                                  1. re: rasputina

                                                    yeah....and do all of these disgusted people turn down invitations to socialize with people who have dogs?

                                                  2. re: GH1618

                                                    <but some places ignore the law an let them inside>

                                                    All the time I see this.
                                                    I absolutely loved what I saw the other day, though.
                                                    A very well-dressed, entitled acting woman came into my local market (it's a well known paparazzi hangout) and she entered the door with her little 'baby' in her purse.
                                                    This particular day the health department was on sight checking things out.
                                                    BUSTED…
                                                    She got in trouble, the store got fined and she got filmed by the paps.
                                                    Loved it.

                                                    1. re: latindancer

                                                      She "got in trouble"? Or was she just asked to leave?

                                                  3. I don't have a dog but I would definitely take it to a restaurant if I planned to sit outside and they allowed it. Even if the restaurants allowed it I probably wouldn't feel comfortable bringing them to eat inside.

                                                    1. I love all animals, but geeze, what is this trend with people bringing their dogs everywhere? Are they trying to emulate that skank paris hilton, and her snack-sized dog? Leave your damn dog home, he doesn't want to be in a restaurant, locked in a car, or have people poking and prodding him. Yeah, yeah, your dog is, "well behaved," sure...Just like the housefrau whose bratty kids are screaming and running around a dining room

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                                                      1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                        You nailed it! I want to be more like Paris. That's exactly why I take my dog along.

                                                        1. re: ChillyDog

                                                          Pfff, I figured....the ridiculous oversized insect-eye sunglasses too?!!

                                                          1. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                            The bigger the better, just like my dog! Wait...do they come in a bifocal version?

                                                            1. re: ChillyDog

                                                              lol too funny

                                                        2. re: BiscuitBoy

                                                          My 2 little dogs (both under 5 pounds) were in carriers and no one even knew we had them with us 99% of the time. They loved to go out.

                                                          As for locking a dog in a car, I believe that is against the law- at least in CA.

                                                          Who is Paris Hilton?

                                                        3. Yes, every chance I get but the patio season here is very short. If it's hot, he stays home. I never go during prime hours and choose a table on the perimeter.

                                                          1. I sleep with my dog but would not bring her into a dining room
                                                            at a sit down restaurant as a courtesy to other diners. Some people would be grossed out by this. An outdoor patio at a casual restaurant would be OK. If I'm traveling with her and it's too hot to leaver her in the car, we get takeout.

                                                            1. I'm a non dog-owning dog lover.

                                                              Hypothetically, I'd bring a dog to places where said dog was welcome. I wouldn't push the issue and I understand that not everyone is a fan.

                                                              1. We rescued our huge Lab when we were living in France. It's culturally more than acceptable to bring the dog -- inside or outside, even though the (unenforced) law says outside only.

                                                                He truly is exceptionally well-behaved -- most people don't even realize he's there, despite his size -- but he loves the attention and ear-rubs from those who do notice him.

                                                                Now that we're back Stateside, we take him with us on a regular basis - state law allows pets on outdoor patios, and we all enjoy going out to eat.

                                                                1. I've been dog-less for a few years now, but when I did have a canine companion I found that the idea of bringing him to dog-friendly restaurants (which in CA generally means those with separate outdoor patios as someone else noted) was much more appealing in theory than in practice. He was a beagle mix, with the typical beagle obsession with food. Not one to lie quietly next to the table when there was so much delicious-smelling stuff around him, which meant that eating out with him was not a relaxing experience for me.

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                                                                  1. re: cookie monster

                                                                    yup, scent hounds are dominated by their noses!

                                                                  2. I don't currently have a dog (3 cats) but I love them and I live in a *dog* neighborhood. I have no objection dining where there are pets. That would only enhance the experience for me having a couple of cute pups around:)Not inside though unless it is a service animal. I say that because other diners might object.

                                                                    1. I don't that often, only because it's difficult for me to lift the dog into the car (he's a basset hound so he's very low to the ground but stocky), but I would if it's an outdoor patio and the weather is nice.

                                                                      The puppy on the other hand... probably not. She's too hyper at this age.

                                                                      Definitely wouldn't bring them to an indoor restaurant though.

                                                                      1. Emglow, here are some tips courtesy Sidewalk Dog for when you do get that dog.

                                                                        The Good Dog’s Guide to Patio Etiquette

                                                                        http://www.sidewalkdog.com/blog/2013/...

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                                                                        1. re: ChillyDog

                                                                          Thanks for your info.

                                                                          1. re: ChillyDog

                                                                            good article.

                                                                          2. when i had only one pooch, i used to bring her with all the time. it just didn't seem fair to leave her all alone at home.

                                                                            when i had two or three dogs so that they had company at home, the restaurant visits with dog-in-tow fell off.

                                                                            1. If it is a restaurant with outdoor dining that promotes itself as being dog friendly I will certainly move that to the top of the list. Particularly restaurants with patios along the river trails where after a run the dog and I can stop for a beer and a bowl of cool water. My dog just lies down under the table and ignores the crowd. I wouldn't invite her up on a chair. Some people do come over to meet/greet her and she is friendly, but in general we try to be unobtrusive and good pet citizens.

                                                                              1. Slight topic change: Dogs in bars?

                                                                                One of my favorite beer bars in NYC now allows dogs. When they first opened in 1994 they were one of the two best beer bars in NYC, plus had one of the best whiskey selections in the City. They were my home away from home bar for many years. I even worked the door on occasion when they were short handed. Over the years the owners started bringing their dog. And then they adopted a house cat. They have a backyard with much of it an enclosed area, the rest open and with trees, plants, etc. and a small smoking area.

                                                                                The place has become run down, much of it I feel due to the smell of wet dog that has become part of the odor of the place. I don't go there anymore.

                                                                                Do animals belong in bars?

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                                                                                1. re: JMF

                                                                                  I'm sorry I can't resist.......

                                                                                  Man walks into a bar and see's a beautiful woman sitting at the bar with a cute lil dog on the floor next to her.

                                                                                  Trying to think of away to break the ice with the woman, the man walks over and say's "Excuse me Miss.....does your dog bite?"
                                                                                  Woman looks at the man and responds "No"

                                                                                  So the man bends down to gently pat the dog and immediately the dog snaps and bites his hand.

                                                                                  Alarmed the man jumps up and says to the woman; "Hey I thought you said your dog doesn't bite"

                                                                                  The woman smiled and said " I did say that, but that's not my dog"

                                                                                  Some would say it's animals that keep bars in business. Grrrrrrrrrrr...........

                                                                                  1. re: jrvedivici

                                                                                    The late, great Peter Sellers:

                                                                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QV...

                                                                                  2. re: JMF

                                                                                    I personally wouldn't take my dog to a crowded bar where some people are likely overindulging. Seems like a recipe for potential trouble. That said, many of the dog-friendly places I do go to are restaurant bar and grill types with patios that promote being dog friendly. I do visit them on an afternoon, again usually part of an entire day spent with the dog either traveling, or running, sight seeing, etc. It's nice not to have to hit a drive thru window and the park occasionally.

                                                                                    1. re: JMF

                                                                                      I know of a bar that allows dogs (it doesn't sell food). It's a laid-back, neighborhood Irish pub, so a sleepy dog lying on the floor doesn't seem so out of place.

                                                                                      1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                                        Gus O'Conner's in Doolin....about as Irish as you can get....wet Labs all over!

                                                                                      2. re: JMF

                                                                                        There is a Bar here called The Bone Yard that is a dog park bar. very popular with the single dog lovers. It has a creek running through it and trees so it is mostly outdoors.

                                                                                        1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                          Okay, This just sounds like my idea of heaven......
                                                                                          A nice cold IPA......
                                                                                          good people,great dogs and beautiful scenery.......
                                                                                          Where is this little slice of heaven?

                                                                                      3. I like animals. I have had almost any type of critter you can name as a pet, and had a small exotic animal business and bird/reptile breeding business many years ago. I have also handled sled dogs in the wilderness, and other types of working dogs.

                                                                                        I would never go to a pet/dog friendly restaurant. I don't think animals belong in restaurants, even in a separate outdoor section. I also think that service dogs in public have to be fully certified working dogs and ones in training by certified service dog training professionals.

                                                                                        1. In my corner of heaven, there would be no dogs. At all. Of course, my opinion is colored by my extreme allergy.

                                                                                          <stepping on to soap box>
                                                                                          No, please do not bring your dogs into restaurants (or stores, etc.) Not even the little toy dogs you think nobody knows is there. I offer up a couple of anecdotes from my experience and from people I have met and talked to about this at my allergist (as we wait for our shots - we talk occasionally about dogs and dogs in public and our misery due to this).

                                                                                          Some people are extremely allergic to dogs. I am one of those, and I'm not even as bad as some people I've met. Living in Germany, where dogs go everywhere, it happened many times that I had to leave my meal behind as tears ran down my face, it swelled up, and I could not stop sneezing to even see where I was going. Yes, your dog bothers others even if your dog is quiet and docile.

                                                                                          One lady I talked to was in restaurant with booth seating. She started having an allergic reaction and asked the waiter about what was in her food, which turned out to not be the problem. A moment later, there comes a little "yap" and it turned out that there was little dog in a lady's purse that was on the booth right behind the allergic woman. She actually felt like she was going into anaphylactic shock but luckily had her epi pen. That was from that little dog that "people don't even know is there". Yes, those of us allergic DO know.

                                                                                          I once had a dog lick my ankle at a restaurant with deck seating. My foot swelled so bad, I had to walk out without my shoe on (very painful).

                                                                                          So, for the sake of others, please remember that some people may not like your dog where they are eating, but for some, your dog may ruin their meal just by being there. I've had to walk out on meals, ask to be re-seated and had to quit going to my favorite pizza place because of dogs.

                                                                                          For some, even in outdoor places, if they are sitting near a dog for a bit, it doesn't matter. The dander blows around. I had one allergic reaction one summer while sitting on a crowded deck. Couldn't move to another table and was trying to feed my very hungry toddler as fast as I could to get away. I ended up having my husband finish feeding her because I had to leave. Nobody wanted to listen to my constant sneezing, anyway.

                                                                                          And for the love of god, use a lint roller and get the pet hair off of your clothes before dining out. Your dog doesn't have to be with you for you to "bring it along". It's gross too.

                                                                                          I now always make sure dogs are not allowed where we dine. Unfortunately not everyone follows rules. And unfortunately it means we've lost yjr option of places we used to enjoy eating.

                                                                                          Sorry for the novel, but this is something that is obviously a topic of some importance for me.

                                                                                          <stepping off of soapbox>

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                                                                                          1. re: gardencook

                                                                                            Makes sense to me. I'm not allergic to dogs but I have a cousin who is highly allergic to them. He suffers from asthma too so even slight contact with dog dander is more than a trifling nuisance to him.

                                                                                            As for following the rules, I've noticed that in the past few years, rules seem to optional for some people.

                                                                                            1. re: Kate is always hungry

                                                                                              Again, I go to restaurants that advertise their patios as dog friendly and that are actively promoting the dog owning customer. I'm guessing someone allergic could see this and decide this is not the restaurant for them.

                                                                                              1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                Yep, you got it! I know many people who no longer patronize these places. I am one of them. As I said, I now ask before choosing a place to eat. If they allow dogs, then they don't get my business. I think restaurants have no idea how much business they lose due to allowing dogs.

                                                                                                People leave their kids with a babysitter for a night out or to go shopping. Surely a dog can handle a couple of hours at home by themselves.

                                                                                                1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                  I'm with you gardencook, and what's to stop all these well behaved dogs from peeing on a chair leg or pooping on the floor? Don't tell me it doesn't happen.

                                                                                                  1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                    Nothing! I saw a young woman walking with her small dog in the mall near where I live. She was busy talking on her phone and didn't notice that when the dog stopped walking, he lifted his tiny leg and peed on the plant-life inside the mall! She didn't even notice!

                                                                                                  2. re: gardencook

                                                                                                    Of course, on the flip side you have no idea how much business they are gaining by allowing dogs or they wouldn't be doing it.

                                                                                                    It's not like there is difficulty in finding a non-dog friendly place to eat, while the reverse is true.

                                                                                                    1. re: BubblyOne

                                                                                                      While there is no difficulty in finding another place, I've lost my favorite pizza place because of dogs. OK, so I'm one person, but I was a customer for 20 years and really enjoyed eating at this pizzeria. It's an hour away (on the other side of the city where I live) and I'll admit, I've gotten carry-out and eaten it in my car a couple of times since the "dogs allowed" policy was established... but why should I be shunted off to my car to eat? I finally just said, "If that's their policy, I'll not give my business." In the end we both lose.

                                                                                                      The burning question is WHY? Why does it matter that a human being has a canine companion to eat? People don't take in their cats, ferrets, snakes, rabbits, etc. Why is it so for DOGS?

                                                                                                      1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                        That's the million dollar question. I have no desire to bring my cats out to eat or anywhere with me, really. Why do people feel inclined to drag their dogs along on errands?? Don't even get me started on the ones who leave their animals in the car or hot days!

                                                                                                        I grew up with dogs and we certainly never brought them anywhere. Well, except for the recycling center on Saturdays...

                                                                                                        1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                          People don't generally take those types of pets for walks in public, either. It's a different sort of human-pet relationship.

                                                                                                          I have a feeling dog owners could offer all sorts of reasons "why" but you won't agree with/like any of them....(that's not an accusation by the way-that's how it goes when we try to wrap our heads around that which we instrinsically oppose)

                                                                                                          1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                            I was only responding to your comment from a business point of view.

                                                                                                            If there were that many complaints and lose of revenue, your pizza place would change their policy.

                                                                                                          2. re: BubblyOne

                                                                                                            That's wha I was thinking. Dog-friendly seems more of a niche market.

                                                                                                            1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                                                              It's a niche market that is definitely growing. So apparently it is working for them and increasing their revenue or they wouldn't do it. Many people travel with their dogs as well. A quick google search will find networks of restaurants, hotels and other businesses that cater to this market. If it isn't for you, don't go. Simple enough. As to the why should I be shunted off in my car question, well you don't have to. That's your choice. I had a favorite place that's management wouldn't rein in having screaming kids in the bar area, finally to the point I decided that's not worth it for me. It's a simple business model and plan of what customers they want to attract.

                                                                                                              Another example is a restaurant that chooses to play very loud music to the point you can't have a conversation. They have a customer they are trying to attract. No matter how much I may like their food, I'm not their target customer.

                                                                                                    2. re: gardencook

                                                                                                      There you go, I didn't think of this. That should end the argument.

                                                                                                      1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                        You make a really good point. I'm not allergic to dogs, but I am extremely allergic to some cats. I'm imagining how miserable I'd be if a person seated close to me in a restaurant had a cat in his or her bag, notwithstanding that that cat was resting quietly, not bothering anyone.

                                                                                                        1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                          Thank your for your post.
                                                                                                          I live with an "extremely" allergic person.

                                                                                                          He couldn't attend summer camp as a kid. Eat at unknown restaurants. Etc.

                                                                                                          He now lives in a house with two cats (and until recently) a dog!

                                                                                                          Amazing! I know. Just wanted to give you hope.

                                                                                                          In our case it was mainly due to new pharmaceuticals(TALK to your MD) and rigorous house-cleaning.

                                                                                                          I still believe in a good HEPA filter, frequent vacuuming, and making sure guests remove their footwear at the door.

                                                                                                          OH, and as far as dogs outdoors?
                                                                                                          You ~should~ be able to spot that before you are seated.

                                                                                                          Happy Eating!

                                                                                                          1. re: gardencook

                                                                                                            My husband is not nearly as allergic as you, but he does have severe allergies to dog and cat dander. This can become a problem, for example, if he is traveling on a plane and the person seated next to him or behind him is traveling with a small dog or cat in a pet-holder, stowed under the seat. Even without any direct contact with the animal, he becomes asthmatic.

                                                                                                            1. re: masha

                                                                                                              Southwest is very good about separating animals and allergics by many rows if you let them know ahead of time.

                                                                                                          2. I have, to outdoor patio places in Mexico.

                                                                                                            1. In many parts of Europe dogs (pets) are welcomed in restaurants. While I was stationed in the service in Frankfurt, Germany, one of my colleagues bought a chicken. He had a blue cape made for it with our unit's crest sewed on. We then took the chicken on a leash to a local beer stube. An experience neither I, nor the Germans there, will ever forget. I only wish I had a video of that event...

                                                                                                              1. I am not a dog owner, but I have absolutely no problem with well-behaved dogs in restaurants.

                                                                                                                In France, it's commonplace. I've eaten at Michelin starred places where dogs are at tables indoors. Doesn't bother me at all.

                                                                                                                In Nice at a fancy restaurant, the waitstaff put a linen napkin down on the banquette for a small dog.

                                                                                                                In Paris, the waitstaff brought a bowl of water and some treats for a dog.

                                                                                                                Believe me, I'd much prefer to sit next to a dog than a table with a small child. Most likely, the dog will be quiet and the owners respectful. Children are 100 times more objectionable.

                                                                                                                As long as the dog isn't barking, or running around loose, I give you my blessing, even in fancy restaurants.

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                                                                                                                1. re: johnblacksox

                                                                                                                  I did want to draw the line, though, at the creperie in the small town in which we lived.

                                                                                                                  An older gentleman would bring his VERY spoiled Yorkie in for dinner...not only did the dog sit in a chair with front paws on the table, eating off his own plate, but the old gent would take a bite off his fork, then *feed the dog from his fork* before taking another bite. They had a regular table at the creperie.

                                                                                                                  When we travel with our big Lab, the waitstaff always bring him a bowl of water...and then they and patrons come by to rub his ears and ask if they can give him a treat (many servers at dog-friendly restaurants keep a pocket full of treats). I think he likes going out and being spoiled by strangers. :)

                                                                                                                2. I do not own a dog. Previouly owned a cat. People seem to bring dogs along to a lot of places now compared to when I was young. Saw a lady bring hers into the grocery store once.

                                                                                                                  I'm not a dog hater, nor a dog lover. I treat all animals with respect, however I think having a dog in a restaurant is not appealing (gross). Dogs lick thier privates and I'm not interested in being sniffed or licked after that. I've seen my neighbours dog eat his own poo and then try to lick me (more than once). Are pet owners okay with this? I'm curious, if your dog licks his/her privates after going poo and you did not witness it, then comes and gives you a kiss, is this just something that you don't think about?

                                                                                                                  I will not eat in a restaurant that dogs or any non-service animal is allowed into. I also try to not shop at grocery stores that do allow (by not kicking them out) people to bring pets into the grocery store.

                                                                                                                  And, yes, I gladly pet my friends dogs when I go for a visit and I also take them for walks with my friends.

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                                                                                                                  1. re: fryerlover

                                                                                                                    even though your friends' dogs are just as likely to have licked their nads or eaten poo....

                                                                                                                    I'll agree with you on groceries, though -- Europe bans dogs in grocery stores, too.

                                                                                                                    1. re: sunshine842

                                                                                                                      You are correct! Hahahahaha, trust me, that is all I'm thinking about when they are licking me. ;)

                                                                                                                  2. We take our dogs individually to outdoor tables.
                                                                                                                    We live in a very dog centric area and many places allow dogs outdoors- even give disposable water bowls and treats!
                                                                                                                    Actually, my complaint is that dogs can draw strangers to come over and interrupt our meal, which sometimes can be a tad irritating.
                                                                                                                    We have one dog in particular that draws attention, and it's just a given that we'll be approached at least once when we're out and about with him.
                                                                                                                    He's just a handsome devil ;-)

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                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                      I also have that "problem." My quiet dog drinking her water and sleeping under my chair does attract visitors. She looks like a "celebrity" weather dog here in Kansas and I often get approached about if she is that dog. (she isn;t.)
                                                                                                                      I don't think it is legal to take dogs into grocery stores or at least in my state into even convenience stores where food is prepared. Pretty much just patio service dog restaurants, pet stores, and usually the farm stores like Orschelin's or Atwoods and big Box stores like Lowe's permit them. I don't take her where she isn't welcome.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                        Come to think of it, I have seen a dog in Lowe's. Good to know.
                                                                                                                        We just got a puppy and I'm having a ball taking him into PetCo and Petsmart and our dog food store.
                                                                                                                        It's great socialization so that he can be a canine good citizen in many ways when he grows up!

                                                                                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                          I don't think Lowe's advertises it, but they are welcome. I worked there on weekends for a while and I know there wasn't a sign up or anything but the dogs were always welcomed with open arms

                                                                                                                          And it is fun to take them shopping. My corgi used to come to the office every day when I worked for myself. She's a bit miffed at staying home so on days off she enjoys joining the shopping.

                                                                                                                          1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                            The Ace Hardware in OT welcomes dogs and has a tray of biscuits for them. My dogs love to shop there.

                                                                                                                            1. re: tcamp

                                                                                                                              Thanks! Whenever we can do a trip and errand with a dog, we take advantage.

                                                                                                                              We'll definitely be taking our puppy to Lowe's. It will be great socialization and exposure.

                                                                                                                          2. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                            Forgot to mention- we also have many places that offer doggy happy hours. Now, they can be a bit much, even for dog lovers!

                                                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                              They call them "yappy hours" here ;)

                                                                                                                              1. re: gourmanda

                                                                                                                                I would buy a yappy hour t shirt.

                                                                                                                        2. If the restaurant is dog-friendly, we bring our dog. If I didn't like dogs, I would not frequent a dog friendly restaurant. Period. If I had an allergy, I would avoid a dog-friendly restaurant.

                                                                                                                          The whole fake service dog thing is different, and off topic, but I will say, my son has a service animal, and because he appears to be 'normal' , and is only 22, nearly every single time he is out with his dog, someone makes a comment insinuating that he's lying. That's not nice, people. He always has his paperwork with him, and will provide it to the right people, but he is increasingly angry at people telling him his dog is a fake. I paid for that training and certification, and it was not cheap.

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                                                                                                                          1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                                                                                            It's always a few jerks that ruin it for everyone else, isn't it?

                                                                                                                          2. Check this out-

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                                                                                                                            1. re: ChillyDog

                                                                                                                              Holy water bowl, Batman!

                                                                                                                            2. I recently had a week long stay in the hospital. I was showing a nurse pictures that my wife was texting me of my dog. She said my dog could visit as long as his shots were up to date. That blew my mind!

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                                                                                                                              1. re: zackly

                                                                                                                                Wow, that's great. Being away from my dogs gets depressing!
                                                                                                                                We are working hard to help train our new puppy and get certified to be a therapy dog.
                                                                                                                                I so look forward to taking him to visits kids, seniors and everyone in between.

                                                                                                                                1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                  my school has Penny..she helps kids read, practice English and even sits with them if they need to talk in the councilor's office ...Her human is one of the Office assistants...we had a student die recently and Penny even visted some of the girls friends homes..

                                                                                                                                  1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                    I'm so looking forward to this rewarding work. I really hope my little puppy and I have what it takes to get there!

                                                                                                                                    1. re: monavano

                                                                                                                                      are you working with a training group? here with Austin Canine Alliance which is a volunteer group that takes people through the training process.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: girloftheworld

                                                                                                                                        We've just started training at a nice facility. They do CGC and we're hoping to work our way up to that.
                                                                                                                                        Right now, we're just starting clicker training, and puppy is only 13 weeks, so we have a ways to go!

                                                                                                                              2. Yes, I would absolutely take a well behaved dog to places that welcome dogs. Unlike cats or rabbits, dogs are very social and are THRILLED to be included for rides in the car, shopping at PetsMart or Home Depot, meals on a restaurant patio, etc. My cat would prefer a slow lingering death over any of those activities.

                                                                                                                                I would rather be in a restaurant full of dogs than one full of kids. But I don't think that restaurants should ban children to suit me. Granted, my preference isn't based on a life threatening allergy, but if it was, it would be my responsibility to self-restrict and deal with my own disappointment at what I had to miss instead of insisting that the dangerous brats should be banned everywhere and decrying those who wanted to drag them along to places I would rather go without them present, even though it is legal and they are welcomed by the owners.

                                                                                                                                1. I look forward to the day I can bring my puppy to a dog friendly restaurant and have her behave. I'm seriously not convinced it's ever going to happen. To those who complain about dog allergies, etc., if it's clearly marked as such, I don't see it being a problem, I hate cigar smoke so I don't frequent restaurants that are cigar friendly. I don't think anyone here supports bringing dogs to restaurants that don't allow it or pretends their dog is a service dog. Let's let the straw man lie.