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Feb 25, 2014 07:53 AM

Guatemalan Beer in Brooklyn

I found this not too far from the Myan community.

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      1. FWIW, the best alcohol beverages I ever sampled in guatemala were the rums. You might check that same mayan community and see if they have some guat rums you can try.

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        1. re: TombstoneShadow

          Latin America, along with Canada is the one place I have unfortunately not visited.

          Canada could have the best beer on the planet, but I'd head to Latin America way before, Canada.

          I am not too into Ice Hockey. And for caribou meat, I would just assume mix with the Inuit and Eskimo, in Alaska.

          I will venture about with the rum inquiry....thanks.

          1. re: jonkyo

            Best beers on the planet? My vote goes to the USA :)

            Here's one of them, brewed right in Brooklyn:

            Unfortunately I'm not currently in a state this ambrosia is delivered to :(

            1. re: TombstoneShadow

              You should appeal to Congress, for intervention, in making the market of the brewer more distributed.

              But them again, this makes it like punk rock and hardcord, before MTV nutralised the local music scenes, and homongenized everything.

              Heavy distribution is when they get bought out by a big brewer, and that is when they lose the attention in making the beer good.

              1. re: jonkyo

                Almost every beer you've advocated on CH has been bought out be a larger brewer and operates as a huge global corporate concern. Now all of a sudden you're the pied piper of the little guy?

              2. re: TombstoneShadow

                Fantastic beer. Have you ever tried the brooklyn black ops?

                1. re: donovt

                  No, unfortunately. While in Chicago we got Brooklyn Chocolate which is/was mind-blowing. But I haven't been to NYC for several years and not living right now in an area that Brooklyn is distributed to. :(

                  1. re: donovt

                    Both are better after a couple years of cellering. But I personally find Black Ops to be a little overrated... But the Chocolate Stout is their best brew.

                    1. re: Silverjay

                      Some of Brooklyn's brewmaster's reserve series are quite good as well.

                      1. re: MVNYC

                        What are some of them called? Do you mean like the #1 and #2? Love those as well....I also like Sorachi Ace a lot- especially on draft.

                        1. re: Silverjay


                          Those are some of the ones out now. Winter is Coming was really good last year, they've made a Belgian Single which I thought was terrific. This became Radius I think, maybe with a slight change to the recipe.
                          There was one a few years back that they made to taste like a Manhattan cocktail. Was expecting it to be gross but ended up liking it.

                          Some of them are misses, some not. I see them on tap around town.

                          Love #1, Meh on #2 and like Sorachi Ace

                          1. re: MVNYC

                            Ah ok, yeah I've tried some of them here and there. They change every year. I think you're talking about The Concoction, which was play on the Penicillin cocktail, which I think is Scotch-based. I liked that too. It was weird and funky and on tap a long time at Mugs cause no one else was really into it.

                            1. re: Silverjay

                              Ok, found this- . Not sure if it is what you are talking about...

                              1. re: Silverjay

                                No it was this

                                I don't remember the concoction, would have liked to have tried it

                                1. re: MVNYC

                                  Oh man, I can't remember if I tried that or not. Looks like it's a few years old. I love Rittenhouse Rye and it says it was aged in those barrels. Hope they circle back to it or something similar.

                            2. re: Silverjay

                              They also do a collaboration with Schneider called Schneider Brooklyner Hopfen-Weisse that I really like.

                          2. re: Silverjay

                            Not sure if I consider Ops overrated, but definitely a bit too high priced for my liking.

                  2. I've had that in Guatemala I think. The label was different. But had the rooster. Do not remember it being very good despite the long Mayan tradition of brewing.

                    Did you like it?

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                    1. re: MVNYC

                      It was standard, nothing too excelling.

                      quenching though.

                      1. re: jonkyo

                        I did Central America once, the Nicaraguan beers were slightly better. As long as they were cold

                        1. re: MVNYC

                          Like any region not historically rooted to the brewing tradition, it will be a hit and miss.

                          Vietnam has one of the best markets for small home spun brewers, that when I was in Hanoi, 2005, I found a small very local place with great local made beer. The place was the kind that would not attract middle class travelers, very local.

                          In Ho Chi Min, there are both, meaning, an Austrian guy and business partners, built a brewer and huge tall ceiling venue, just like in their home. Hanoi has some too.

                          That is due to colonial influence, and what the locals do with such an influence.

                          1. re: jonkyo

                            I wouldn't make blanket statements The place was the kind that would not attract middle class travelers," Chowhound attracts a diverse group but there are plenty of adventurous travelers who go off the beaten path.

                            I ended up at quite a few locals only places in Vietnam drinking some bia hoi. Decent stuff but terrific with the heat, humidity and environment. Also had plenty of snake/turtle/crow whiskey as well.

                            1. re: MVNYC

                              Wow, according to him Vietnam, one of the poorest countries in the world, is a "great" market for beer and making "great" local beer- and this is on a thread about crappy Guatemalan beer in Brooklyn. That makes absolutely fucking ding dong sense.

                              ..But yeah, I too enjoyed some good times at bia hoi in Vietnam (siphoned from a plastic tub). I also fell in love with a Carlsburg beer girl. Purely platonic, but we played a lot of billiards together. I stayed away from the whiskey generally.

                              There are a lot of Americans and Euros around the world starting up local craft breweries. It's a kind of carpetbagging, but grassroots have to start somehow.

                              1. re: Silverjay

                                "Euros" is a currency, not a location. The location is called Europe. And, "craft breweries" is an American expression, here we just call them breweries or, if they are new, new breweries.

                                1. re: ThomasvanDale

                                  Euros is short for Europeans and yeah, nice observation, here we may say craft breweries. Neither of which are going to be misunderstood in context among two Americans.

                                  1. re: Silverjay

                                    It seems to me one of the benefits of a site like this is that it is open to people of many nationalities (so long as we write in English). If you were in a private conversation with another American, I couldn't have been listening. But, since you are writing publicly, you might consider that "two Americans" is not an accurate description of the users of this site.

                                    For my understanding: if a new brewery opens in the US is it automatically called a craft brewery? Or are there certain requirements it must meet?

                                    1. re: ThomasvanDale

                                      You probably know about the "craft vs crafty" controversy. This was the first shot:


                                      I think most people would assume any new brewery in the US, unless it was simply gigantic, would be a craft brewery.

                                      "Craft" is a curious term. First of all, there is no assurance that a new brewery will make high-quality beer, and if it doesn't, then why would anyone call it a craft brewery?

                                      This used to be a problem, but no so much today. I visited a small brewery in Michigan about 30 years ago whose beer was clearly infected.

                                      In the bigger picture, the Brewers Association, per link above, adds criteria that bear no relation to what goes on in the brewhouse. Then you have the folks who track industry statistics. They typically include craft-like products, such as Blue Moon (Coors), and also beers from companies that fall outside the BA fold because they have too much ownership by non-craft companies, such as Goose Island (Anheuser-Busch Inbev).

                                      You probably know all this, so I will go no further.

                                      1. re: Jim Dorsch

                                        Thanks for the explanation. Yes, I've of course heard the term before, but it was never really clear to me how or if people who drink these beers use the term.

                                        I certainly don't want to get into a long discussion about it. I don't find it at all offensive, unlike, for example, calling Europe "Euros", which seems to me close to insulting.

                                        1. re: ThomasvanDale

                                          It appears that small breweries are opening at a rapid pace in many European countries. Are they differentiated by a term such as "craft"? Or are they just new members in an industry with a long history?

                                          From what I have seen, the new European breweries often make nuanced beers that work well with food, whereas US craft beer is probably produced more often with not so much thought in that direction. Perhaps you can tell me if I'm forming the proper picture of European craft beers, for lack of a better term.

                                      2. re: ThomasvanDale


                                        You seem like an intelligent person so it is pretty obvious from Silverjays statement what Euros meant in context. Feigning ignorance does nobody any good. Both Silverjay and I are well traveled so no harm was intended there, sorry if the term upset you.

                                        As to craft basically it means a beer not made by or in the style of the mega US macro lager producers. Some people get there panties all in a bunch over terms but that's the basic gust of it.

                                        1. re: MVNYC

                                          Thanks for the kind words. It was not a question of not understanding, it was a question of finding it a rather pointless and degrading (right word?) abbreviation for a proper name.

                                          I've read about the craft beer situation, but as I wrote above, it has never been clear to me whether people in a pub, say, would use it in conversation with their friends.

                                          1. re: ThomasvanDale

                                            It wasn't meant to nor is likely understood as degrading by most people. It's simply clipped slang on the internet. You've pissed and moaned about it to three people here now. Rise above Thomas. People here seem to respect you.

                                        2. re: ThomasvanDale

                                          Majority of the site's users, particularly in this thread, are Americans and I have conversed with MVNYC on CH for years. So the language we use might be something you might have to just suck up and deal with. Seems if you have to stick your head in the conversation to offer your interpretations it probably means you understood the use in context in the first place.

                                          Have you been to Vietnam or SE Asia or even other countries in East Asia? Because nearly every drop of beer produced there is done so by a large domestic near monopoly interest or international mega-brewer or in some cases involvement by government owned producers. So I would offer that Sabeco, Singha, Kirin, Carlsburg and the like are opening "breweries" or in your English "new breweries". And a small concern- maybe a local joint venture with a passionately interested foreigner or simply a local trying to make something with a little more craft and love is opening a "craft brewery".

                                    2. re: Silverjay

                                      I oppose craft beer, only because if one brings back the cottage industry, we also should bring back the values of that time.

                                      I am going to drink what I like to drink, which sometimes comes in green bottles.

                                      I recommend two.

                                      These are associated with nation states.

                                      But love the sessions.

                                      1. re: jonkyo

                                        They're associated with the large scale corporations you seem to oppose.

                                        1. re: MVNYC

                                          No, I am just waiting for a Castro-KMT-esque nationalization of these two huge manufacturers.

                                          Taiwan beer is a nationalized brand, just like much of the oil companies in Taiwan.