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iheartcooking Feb 10, 2014 04:25 PM

I notice a lot of seemingly reputable recipes call for the inclusion of dried or reconstituted mushrooms. Before this I thought that may be because it's hard to get fresh mushrooms, but maybe there's another reason? Is there a better flavor payoff? Is it an accessibility thing? They don't seem more affordable but maybe they are?

  1. CCSPRINGS Feb 10, 2014 04:40 PM

    They have a very different flavor. They cost more too. Some varieties are wild and seasonal.

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      Scrofula Feb 12, 2014 05:23 PM

      The cost by weight isn't directly comparable, since most of the weight of fresh mushrooms is water. I'm not sure they still cost more if you correct for this.

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        chefj Feb 12, 2014 06:04 PM

        One pound(16OZ) of fresh Mushrooms yields 1.6 OZ of Dried

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      treb Feb 10, 2014 04:45 PM

      An deep intense mushroom flavor, plus you get the juice for adding to a pan sauce or stock for mushroom soup.

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        Madrid Feb 10, 2014 05:33 PM

        or to a stock for any vegetable soup. Paula Wolfert has a great tuscan kale soup and adding the dried mushroom soaking liquid is an inspired addition. I think the original Greens resto cookbook has a great mushroom stock recipe that's used as the basis for lasagna. You can puree the reconstituted mushrooms in pureed soups.

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          LindaWhit Feb 12, 2014 12:16 PM

          I always strain and save the reconstituted mushroom broth for later use. Especially good in something like beef stroganoff for an earthier flavor.

          For the OP - seasonality is one reason. And some fresh wild mushrooms don't travel as well, so by drying them, they're more available to those that might want them.

        2. hill food Feb 10, 2014 04:50 PM

          I think it's mostly accessibility but fresh have such a high and sometimes unpredictable moisture content it's easier to write directions for dried.

          1. iheartcooking Feb 10, 2014 05:00 PM

            Wow, all really helpful answers. I did notice some varieties I can only get dried. I knew there had to be a good reason to try them.

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            1. re: iheartcooking
              fldhkybnva Feb 11, 2014 01:00 PM

              Yes, some are only available to me dried so I have to use dried if I want to eat those mushrooms. Also as mentioned above the soaking liquid is great to add to the recipe.

            2. tcamp Feb 10, 2014 05:21 PM

              In addition to everything already posted, reconsisted dry mushrooms have a different texture. Shitakes, for example, are more chewy than fresh and I mean that in a good way. Love them!

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                iheartcooking Feb 10, 2014 05:34 PM

                Yeah I'm not overly fond of that texture, forgot to mention that before. But, I don't hate it, so this ingredient is worth exploring.

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                  fldhkybnva Feb 11, 2014 01:00 PM

                  I am also not fond of the texture and to me a lot of dried mushrooms even different varieties seem to all taste similar.

              2. ipsedixit Feb 10, 2014 06:34 PM

                Just like dried herbs, dried mushrooms often have a very different flavor platform than their fresh counterparts.

                Sometimes, they have a more intense, deeper flavor; other times the flavor - and texture - are just different. In a desirable way.

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                  tardigrade Feb 10, 2014 06:36 PM

                  I think it started out as availability (i.e., go out mushroom gathering, use what you can and dry the rest), then became tradition.

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                    tastesgoodwhatisit Feb 10, 2014 06:40 PM

                    The drying process tends to increase umami - so using dried mushrooms can add an oomph and depth to the flavour that can't be achieved with fresh ones.

                    As an aside - I love using the small dried shitake (< 4cm in size) but I don't care for the large ones. I find the large ones have a gummy flavour when reconstituted that I don't enjoy.

                    The drying/umami connection holds for a lot of ingredients - dried shrimp, dried fish, dried radish, dried chestnuts, dried scallops, and so on. A lot of Chinese recipes will specifically call for the above rather than the fresh equivalent, even when both are readily available.

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                    1. re: tastesgoodwhatisit
                      kaleokahu Feb 11, 2014 02:45 PM

                      Hi, tastesgood:

                      For a real umami kick, try dehydrating the 'shrooms of choice, then FP'ing them into powder. There're very few savory preps that can't benefit from 1-2T of mushroom powder.

                      I buy flats from the grocery supply houses just for this purpose.

                      Aloha,
                      Kaleo

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                        emglow101 Feb 11, 2014 03:42 PM

                        I have lots of dried porcini from Nor Cal. I put them in my spice grinder to make powder. Really goes great on pan fried fish.

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                          tastesgoodwhatisit Feb 11, 2014 10:06 PM

                          Yeah, I do the pulverized shitakes as a flavour boost.

                          I have a coffee grinder dedicated to non coffee items, with an insert that is washable.

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                            CanadaGirl Feb 12, 2014 12:09 PM

                            I've never seen a washable insert. Do you know the brand?

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                              JonParker Feb 21, 2014 05:37 AM

                              Mine is a Cuisinart.

                      2. Chemicalkinetics Feb 10, 2014 06:40 PM

                        There is another post about this, but I cannot find. Basically, you can view the drying process add a depth to the mushroom. Dried mushroom (after reconstituted) taste different than the fresh counterparts.

                        I find this particularly true for the Shiitake mushroom.

                        No, affordable ability is not the main reason.

                        Kind of like dried chili peppers. Dried peppers are not quite the same as fresh peppers.

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                          kagemusha49 Feb 11, 2014 02:22 PM

                          For a while I was growing by own Shitake mushrooms - it's hard to beat the flavor of a really fresh picked one. Now, if it's been picked for several hours, I could see that a dried mushroom might taste better.

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                            Chemicalkinetics Feb 11, 2014 06:45 PM

                            Super fresh mushrooms, huh? :)

                            I think sometime it is not better or worse. It is just different, and for different usage.
                            For example, dried fish and fresh fish do not taste similar, and have different usages.

                        2. sunshine842 Feb 10, 2014 07:20 PM

                          I don't have any dried white button mushrooms-- but I have shiitake and morels and porcini, all dried -- it's a great way to have mushrooms on hand that are either difficult to find fresh (and expensive when you do) -- and/or very seasonal.

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                            coll Feb 11, 2014 01:43 PM

                            This is the exact reason I have taken to buying dried mushrooms. I don't have to run out every time a recipe calls for mushrooms.

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                            kariin Feb 10, 2014 08:02 PM

                            Affordable?? Dried shitake (and other asian dried mushrooms) are an absolute steal, _if_ bought at local asian markets. I can buy a very large package of dried shitakes (12 oz) for less than 1/2 the price of fresh. They store forever, reconstitute in any warm liquid in 15 minutes and change the flavor of anything they are added to. Shallots, garlic and A pound of fresh white button or baby bella mushrooms (from Aldi !) sauteed and combined w/6 oz of reconstituted shitakes (in hot vegetable or chicken stock) is my base for mushroom soup or addition to braises, casseroles etc.

                            I stopped shopping @ Whole Paycheck or T.Joe for almost everything I can buy cheaper and better at the mexican/asian/indian/international markets in town. Selection of dried mushrooms (and chiles, herbs, spices,) is massively better, prices are a fraction of WF and the market owners are local people.

                            exception? Chanterelles.

                            1. Ttrockwood Feb 10, 2014 08:08 PM

                              I buy dried porcinis and wild mushrooms because they are often cheaper as well as offer a ton of flavor.
                              Asian supermarkets have a wonderful variety of dried mushrooms as well.

                              I use them most often for soups or stews, the almost chewy texture is great.

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                                HillJ Feb 10, 2014 08:15 PM

                                If you don't like the texture but enjoy the taste of mushrooms, the powder offers choice.

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                                  fldhkybnva Feb 11, 2014 01:01 PM

                                  Porcini powder is fantastic. I sprinkle it on a lot of things - steak, eggs, etc.

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                                    HillJ Feb 11, 2014 01:14 PM

                                    I just had porcini powder in my homemade onion soup for lunch. Love the stuff on everything. One dried mushroom generates a great deal of powder once ground. And as light as they are you get a great many for the lb price.

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                                      LindaWhit Feb 12, 2014 12:18 PM

                                      I've not tried grinding them into powder, but will now have to do so. Thanks, fieldhawk!

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                                      Taralli Feb 11, 2014 01:41 PM

                                      I store my fresh mushrooms in a brown paper bag in the fridge to keep dry. Discovered any totally dried out ones could be thrown in the electric spice/coffee mill, ground to powder & used in all kinds of soups & sauces, imparting wonderful flavor.

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                                        fldhkybnva Feb 11, 2014 02:40 PM

                                        Wow great idea. I also store them in a brown paper bag. I discovered a lost bag last week with a few stray dried mushrooms. I tossed them but now if it happens again I know what to do with them.

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                                      HillJ Feb 10, 2014 08:17 PM

                                      If you ever want an online source, I buy from this supplier:

                                      http://www.theposter.com/mushroom2.html

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                                        meatn3 Feb 11, 2014 07:34 AM

                                        Wow! I was pricing dried morels locally and these are about half the price per oz. sans s/h.

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                                          HillJ Feb 11, 2014 07:42 AM

                                          And an outstanding seller too. I also buy vanilla beans, saffron from same outfit.

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                                            pitterpatter Feb 11, 2014 02:21 PM

                                            Same here. Can't say enough positive things about this seller of porcini, saffron and vanilla beans! And their extracts are really good, too.

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                                            MacGuffin Feb 21, 2014 05:34 AM

                                            Call them. They'll work with you on the least expensive shipping option if it's feasible. Make sure you try their Mexican vanilla and flavor extracts, too.

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                                            MacGuffin Feb 21, 2014 05:33 AM

                                            I was hoping someone would save me the trouble of posting a link to one of my all-time favorite vendors. :)

                                          4. CarrieWas218 Feb 11, 2014 01:18 PM

                                            My stepdaughter hates fresh mushrooms. But I can make a mushroom risotto which is made with an intense mushroom broth and finely chopped dried (reconstituted) mushrooms in the risotto that she adores.

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                                            1. re: CarrieWas218
                                              hill food Feb 11, 2014 02:13 PM

                                              for some the texture of fresh is the whole issue. not me but I can understand.

                                            2. Pipenta Feb 11, 2014 03:06 PM

                                              Wild mushrooms are seasonal. Sometimes you are up to your ears in a given species, while most of the year they are not available. Some mushrooms, black trumpets for example, are as good dried as fresh. Chanterelles, on the other hand, loose that delicate apricot scent and once reconstituted, they are a bit tough. Porcini are good either way. Drying can concentrate flavors. A small handful of dried mushrooms can flavor stock as intensely as any bouillon cube. It varies greatly with the species of mushroom. Not all mushrooms can be dried. Shaggy manes are too fragile, they'll liquify. Often the author of a recipe doesn't know mushrooms. Wild mushrooms might mean anything besides "Agaricus bisporus" (button, crimini, portabello). Wild mushrooms is pretty vague, it's kind of like having a recipe that calls for two cups of vegetables or a half a pound of fruit.

                                              1. JMF Feb 11, 2014 05:12 PM

                                                Black Trumpet Chanterelles are actually improved by drying. They get an additional beautiful perfume flavor/aroma.

                                                1. chicgail Feb 11, 2014 07:46 PM

                                                  I make a kickass mushroom barley soup with both fresh and dried mushrooms. I always use dried shitakes, but love dried chantrelles and morels. The combination is perfect.

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                                                    ahuva Feb 11, 2014 08:04 PM

                                                    I used dried mushrooms when I want a super earthy "mushroomy" flavor - I find that the dried mushrooms themselves have a much more concentrated mushroom flavor, not to mention that the rehydrating liquid winds up a super flavorful mushroom "broth" addition to the risotto or dirty rice or dressing or soup that I'm making.

                                                    1. grampart Feb 12, 2014 12:19 PM

                                                      This is the recipe that sold me on the idea of dried mushrooms.
                                                      http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/gi...

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                                                        zackly Feb 12, 2014 12:21 PM

                                                        Anyone have a good (quality and price) online source for dried mushrooms and mushroom powder? Thanks!

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                                                          LindaWhit Feb 12, 2014 12:22 PM

                                                          Look a few posts further upthread - HillJ posted a link.

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                                                          Joel Feb 12, 2014 04:10 PM

                                                          When I reconstitute dried porcini, I save the water -- but then carefully decant it before adding it to a sauce. The 'shrooms have sand or some other grit in them, which sinks to the bottom of the water. For that reason I also rinse them after removing them from the water. As I understand it, other mushrooms are not grown in soil, rather in compost (or on logs) so grit might not be an issue.
                                                          My local store sells dry porcini for about $70 per pound and porcini powder for about $60. I've never tried the powder.

                                                          Often times dried items will taste quite different from fresh -- think grapes versus raisins.

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                                                            grampart Feb 12, 2014 04:15 PM

                                                            I pour the soaking through a coffee filter to remove the "grit".

                                                          2. YAYME Feb 12, 2014 05:56 PM

                                                            Dried porcini add flavor to sauces, even when they are in bits to small to eat. Also they are cheaper in some cases and they don't rot.

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                                                              chefj Feb 12, 2014 06:05 PM

                                                              or powdered.

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                                                              herbwise Feb 21, 2014 08:37 AM

                                                              I think twice about buying cheap dried mushrooms. Lots of mushrooms are now grown on some kind of aggregate/composite medium. I saw organic dried mushrooms in a chinese store once, and the organic food production system in China is separate from their conventional agriculture, so I might trust that; otherwise, I buy from sources I know (and forage and grow some of my own).

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