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Can one still go if they are not a veteran of the armed forces/military/navy ?

I know stupid question.

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  1. It's not a stupid question. If you go with a dues paying member, you will probably be served at the Canteen.

    I say "probably" since all of the VFW's across the US have their own bylaws concerning dues-paying members and their guests visiting the Canteen.

    In our VFW Canteen down here in Florida, you just need to be a guest of a dues-paying member, and sign the roster before you will be served. IMO, the VFW posts up north in California probably have a similar set up.

    Or you can do what some of our enterprising young local college students did a couple of years ago.

    They found themselves a couple of combat veterans at the college, then had them fill out the questionnaire at this link:

    https://www.vfw.org/oms/NewMember.aspx

    The students paid their annual dues ($35), drove them up from the University dorms to the posts for meetings, and kept them in beers on Saturday nights.

    Most of us at the VFW have no issue with that setup as long as you pay your respects, you keep your noses clean, and you don't make us have deal with you.

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    1. re: deet13

      Thanks.

      Keep noses clean ????

      1. re: kevin

        No sweat.

        "Keep noses clean ????"

        Obviously I shouldn't have to say this, but every so often we'll get a guest in the Canteen who'll act up after a few drinks. It's the nature of the beast.

        So "keep your nose clean" means don't do anything that will reflect poorly upon the individual who signed you in.

        At our post, any member who signs in a guest who starts an "incident", a.k.a. "A Moment of Derp", might lose all Canteen privileges.

    2. Yes you can go as a guest if your with a Veteran.

      From my experience the bartenders pour with a heavy hand and beers are on the cheap...

      The crowd of course is veteran who don't put up with a lot of juvenile bullshit so yeah keep your nose clean and your good to go.

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      1. re: burntwater

        Anyone happen to have the hookup as a dues paying member for any of the LA VFWs or in OC ????

        Thanks a bunch.

        I previously thought by keep your nose clean that nose candy was not allowed and that they put the kibbosh on that.

        Thanks.

        1. re: kevin

          My father is a member of the American Legion post in Newport Beach. One of our favorite things to do is go there and have a few cheap drinks on a sunny afternoon - it's right on the water with a view of all the docked boats. Also has great views for the annual Christmas boat parade.

      2. I am not a veteran (1952 baby) but I am grateful to be a welcome guest at VFW 9226 in Ellenton FL any time. The bartenders and managers are all members and collaborated to allow me unfettered access as their guest. We still have 6 active WWII vets, and I have been privileged to hear the stories from the greatest generation, as Tom Brokaw named them.
        Great group of men and women. I go frequently, including Sunday breakfasts and numerous dinners, and I thoroughly enjoy the company there, it's like a Cheers bar with very colorful characters.

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        1. re: Veggo

          How did they collaborate so that you would gain the same type of entry as veterans ?????

          I'd really like to do that too.

          1. re: kevin

            Veteran members can bring a guest, and there is always a member/ bartender there who I am friends with, so they agreed that I am the guest of whoever is on duty there, anytime. It was their idea, and quite a compliment. It's fairly near my home and provides a welcome social dimension and some good new friends.

            1. re: Veggo

              Nothing beats having a club that insists you become a member. Likely it was that everyone liked having you around, and that you were a good social asset.

              1. re: Tripeler

                Thanks. Trip. I hope that is the case, and I try.There's lots of laughter. I'll add that the idea was OK'd by the Post manager.

            2. re: kevin

              Does this mean you've given up on Rao's, kevin ???????

              1. re: Phil Ogelos

                What does Rao's have to do with VFW Posts ?????????

                1. re: kevin

                  It's your wanting to get into places that are forbidden/forbidding; I'd have thought the parallel was obvious. ..........

                  1. re: Phil Ogelos

                    oh, yes, my bad. you are right.

                    but i just passed by this joint, and thought it looked cool, rap's would be a different matter too though.

          2. I thought the VFW posts were know for Friday fish frys. Maybe not anymore?

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            1. re: Scotty

              9226 in Ellenton FL does, except in summer.

            2. Btw, are VFW Posts the same as American Legion ????

              Thanks.

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                  1. re: kevin

                    Gosh, that's an excellent question. If only there was some way to find that out using some reference work or some sort of online thingy that would tell you that...if only! Oh well, I guess there isn't anyway to find that information out yourself. Darn it anyway!

                    1. re: Servorg

                      Shoot.

                      I would have wanted to know. Oh, well.

                      What can one, or rather me, do ????

                      Shit.

                    2. re: kevin

                      The American Legion is open to anyone who has served in the armed forces, not limited by wartime duty. Also, they do offer meal functions available to the public, and access to their other assets. I pitched little league baseball at the A.L. Post 88 field in Hamden, CT.,50 years ago.

                      1. re: Veggo

                        The VFW (1899) is only for service members who served in wars on foreign land. The American Legion (1919) as you point out is for any veteran. With declining rolls, in some areas of the country they are combining both the VFW and American Legion clubs into one.

                        1. re: scoopG

                          What war, other than the Civil War, was not on foreign land?

                          1. re: Scotty

                            Parts of the War of 1812 were fought on US soil.

                            1. re: Servorg

                              Forgot about the White House getting burned down! and that whole Star-Spangled Banner thing. My bad...

                              1. re: Scotty

                                And when you think about the whole US Army campaign against the indigenous peoples who were here long before any of these European interlopers, I think that can be seen as a series of wars against sovereign nations on what is now US soil...

                            2. re: Scotty

                              Not all service members serve outside the USA or even in the specific country where the war is being fought (i.e. Japan during the Korean and Vietnam War).

                              To be eligible to join the VFW a service member has to provide proof that they have received a campaign medal or badge (i.e. Korea), have physically been in the country involved for a definite period of time and/or earned Hostile Fire or Imminent Danger Pay.

                              Since WWII a service member's DD-214 "Report of Separation" form is generally sufficient proof. Also pay records easily establish Hostile Fire or Imminent Danger Pay.

                              1. re: scoopG

                                Wow.

                                I got stressed out just reading this "hostile fire" "imminent danger pay"

                                1. re: kevin

                                  IN WWII, there were 16,112,566 Americans in uniform - about one million became casualties (405,000 killed; 670,000 wounded).

                                  1. re: scoopG

                                    My father flew with the Mighty Eighth Army Air Force in 1944-45 bombing Europe in a B24 as the top turret gunner and flight engineer. He definitely saw hostile fire and was in imminent danger. The Eighth saw 26.000 killed of the 350.000 that served, not good odds. Check out this site for some great history.

                                    http://8thafhs.org/

                                2. re: scoopG

                                  scoop, Bob has a DD-214 but was only in Germany in the early 70s. BTW, Home Depot gives him a 10% discount when he shows it :)

                                1. re: scoopG

                                  I am aware that declining rolls and tight budgets are factors in relaxed rules that allow me. Certain tiers of vets are hesitant to participate. I certainly hope they develop a business model that works into the future, it's a good thing.

                                  1. re: Veggo

                                    Ok, i'll try and hit it up if i can.

                                    The stories and conversation that gos around will be earth-shattering and I will be on my bestest of behaviors.

                                    Thanks.

                                    1. re: Veggo

                                      Drinks are pretty cheap once one gains entry too, right ?????

                                      I mean in comparison to regular bars.

                                      1. re: kevin

                                        Beer and drinks are half the price elsewhere. Downside is smoking is allowed. A few of us make our own non-smoking section when we are together.

                                        1. re: Veggo

                                          I thought you were a smoker ????

                                          Or fat Cuban cigars don't count ?????

                                          1. re: kevin

                                            Cohiba robustos and Siglo III are my choices, but not in close quarters. Rarely away from home, unless I am treating a friend in an outdoor setting.

                                    2. re: scoopG

                                      I served in what used to be called West Berlin during the Vietnam years. I was awarded the U.S. Army of Occupation medal for my service there, and this qualifies me for VFW membership. It seems that when I was stationed in Berlin, World War II had not officially ended there -- i.e., Berlin was not included in the peace treaty that ended the war for the rest of Germany. Berlin was a Sonderpolitischeeinheit ("special political entity") governed by the 4 conquering nations (Britain, France, the USSR, and the USA), and I was an occupation soldier. There are no advantages to being an occupation soldier, except the occasional Loot or Pillage detail.

                                      1. re: ozhead

                                        That's right - the Army Occupation Medal for Germany was issued to service members who served in Germany (except West Berlin) from May 9, 1945 to May 5, 1955 and from May 9, 1945 until Oct. 2, 1990.

                                        1. re: scoopG

                                          That's not quite right. There were two different medals, one for service members who served in Germany, OTHER THAN except West Berlin, from May 9, 1945 to May 5, 1955, the other for service members who served in West Berlin, from May 9, 1945 until Oct. 2, 1990. The 1990 date reflects when WWII was "over" for purposes of Berlin.

                                          1. re: ozhead

                                            But West Berlin was occupied by the Soviets/East Germans from 1949 to 1990 - so no GI ever served there. As far as I know one Army of Occupation Campaign Medal was issued for service in post WWII Germany.

                                            1. re: scoopG

                                              Berlin was actually partitioned into zones, with the Allies (US, British and French) occupying their zone and the Soviets occupying their zone. Even through Berlin was smack, dab in the middle of "East Germany" we had troops (along with the French and British) in Berlin all the way from the end of WWII up until the wall fell. In fact the Soviets tried to starve out the Allies and the citizens who lived in their zone by closing off access by road, but the Berlin airlift defeated their blockade and they began letting resupply of the Allies once again by road sometime in 1949 (IIRC).

                                              Leave it to Wikipedia to tell the story of post war Berlin and the airlift: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_B...

                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                Right! West Berlin was free while East Berlin was Soviet occupied.

                                                1. re: scoopG

                                                  It's just that when you say "But West Berlin was occupied by the Soviets/East Germans from 1949 to 1990 - so no GI ever served there." you have to remember that so called "West Berlin" was not occupied by the Soviets/East Germans because the Allies (including G.I.'s) occupied that "zone" and the Soviets and EG's occupied their zone.

                                                  Or did you mean to write something else but it came out the way it did?

                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                    I mean East Berlin! GI's did not serve in East Berlin, the capital of communist East Germany.

                                                      1. re: scoopG

                                                        This has been the most historically educational thread of the year.

                                                        Thanks guys and gals.

                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                          Yeah, we should all celebrate with a drink at the local VFW.

                                                            1. re: Tripeler

                                                              And by "a drink" don't you mean multiple drinks ????

                                                              1. re: kevin

                                                                Well, as I always say,
                                                                "If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
                                                                ...I'd spend it on drink.

                                              2. re: scoopG

                                                Ah, should have read the whole thread. Thanks.

                                  2. So does anyone happen to have the hook up for LA or OC.

                                    Btw, the talk of WWII history was quite educational and elucidating to this kindergarten drop out.

                                    Thanks.

                                    1. can the bar be open while there is a meeting going can anyone answer this for me.