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Edo-Style Sushi in LA- Who's the best right now (controversial)

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wasabica Feb 4, 2014 10:23 AM

I have been trolling chowhound and other sites looking for a new Edo-style sushi place to try for hubby's birthday. We want to be able to try as much unique/exotic fish as possible, and the rice must be considered very high quality. It is on a Sunday so Nozawa in BH is out. We don't mind spending $$$ but it has to be worth it.We are regulars at Shunji but he does not want Kaiseki this time. Urasawa is technically Kaiseki and we don't want to spend quite that much. I don't like Sushi Zo because he puts ginger in the seasoning for many of the fish. We do not like the fusion places like Matsuhisa/Nobu etc. We tried Katsuya and Sasabune et al and have concluded they are Hollywood/westernized places and not to be taken seriously. I think it is gone but for reference hated R-23 as well. Mori is off the list with all the changes. Places like Kiriko & sushi sushi are fine but I don't find them special or worth it. We used to go to Shibucho but had some problems with Shige so we won't go back. Not interested in Nishimora, heard too many bad things about his pricing. As Torrance ex-pats, love Nozomi but looking to try a new place. Toying with Sushi Gen or Kiyokawa.I think Kiyokawa is Kaiseki but they seem to have a lot more sushi in the Omakase vs Shunji so that might be ok. I am also open to Orange County. Thoughts?

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    cls RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 10:26 AM

    Sounds like you want Q Sushi.
    http://qsushila.com/home.php

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      wasabica RE: cls Feb 4, 2014 11:41 AM

      I replied to a different string - I saw complaints about "marinated fishes" in strong sauces and this scared me off. Would you agree?

    2. ipsedixit RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 10:28 AM

      You might want to look at Q Sushi.

      Fellow 'Hound, J.L., did a very nice write-up of the place, which you can read here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/924497

      Sidenote on Kiyokawa. I was really sort of let down by the place during my last visit. While I enjoy artful, even playful, plating and presentation, Satoshi seems to have really jumped the proverbial shark in that respect (or is it "tuna" in this case). It was almost a distraction from the food.

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        wasabica RE: ipsedixit Feb 4, 2014 11:37 AM

        What did he do that offended you? Was it the plating or the flavors?

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          ipsedixit RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 11:52 AM

          Nothing offensive. Just distracting. And superfluous. The plating, that is.

      2. J.L. RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 10:56 AM

        Yes, Q proclaims they are Edo-style. You should try it if you are curious. BUT...

        Mori is still king. What "changes" at Mori are keeping you away?

        Shige can be a grouch, but his nigiri can be sublime. A nice bottle of Burgundy will get you back in his good graces, if you are so inclined.

        Nishimura has closed.

        Dark horse suggestion (this being the year of the horse): Sushi Kimagure Ike in Pasadena. It doesn't feel "special" as you have preferred, but the sushi is solid.

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          kevin RE: J.L. Feb 4, 2014 11:13 AM

          What bottle of Burgundy.

          And Shige does make an exceptional eggplant parmigiana.

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            wasabica RE: kevin Feb 4, 2014 11:30 AM

            We were all about the Burgundy, brought some, bought his. I am a big collector. No issue with the food, but we had a number of unfortunate incidents. Once we had a res and were seated with the pricey wine and had to wait well over an hour to get food because they were wrapping many tiny gifts for some favorite patrons. Another time we were grossly overcharged to the point of absurdity. We took the hint and never went back.

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              kevin RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 01:18 PM

              What Burgundy did you bring him exactly and how much did the bottle cost ?

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                wasabica RE: kevin Feb 4, 2014 01:48 PM

                This was over 4 years ago so I have no clear memory. We certainly did not gift him the bottle - we gave him a glass as he used to do for us with stuff from his cellar. Most likely it was very mature and probably had a retail value in the $150+ range. Your question troubles me - are you implying I was supposed to buy admission to have the honor of him serving me? This kind of BS is why I would never go back to the equally ridiculous Totoroku.

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                  kevin RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 03:20 PM

                  "Your question troubles me - are you implying I was supposed to buy admission to have the honor of him serving me? "

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                  My bad. I didn't mean to imply that if I did.

                  Shige as you and some others knows loves older Bordeaux and Burgundy and also has some on his reserve wine list if I'm not mistaken, so I was curious what one would bring that doesn't match up with what's on his wine list, if that makes any sense.

                  I still think for traditional style sushi he makes some of the very best in town.

                  And I'm pretty sure it's not a requirement that one purchase a pricey bottle or spend hundreds on bringing a bottle. But yeah, if I did take a bottle I'd definitely share with him.

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            wasabica RE: J.L. Feb 4, 2014 11:36 AM

            As I mentioned, we have no problem paying for great sushi. I don't blink at my $700 Shunji charges or similar at other Omakase experiences. We have even racked up $500 charges at Kampai in Westchester and it was well worth it. But the best example of our alienation at Mori was we once ordered Ama Ebi sushi at Mori and were served one lobe of the shrimp - maybe 3-5 mm wide. Besides it being very unsatisfying to eat, it was $9 per piece. I think this was inappropriate.

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              wasabica RE: J.L. Feb 4, 2014 11:42 AM

              I will investigate Kimagure Ike, thanks for the lead

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                xoxohh RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 02:02 PM

                I am actually eating at Kimagure tonight. This will be my 3rd time there.....I am hungry already!

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              kevin RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 11:11 AM

              There's nothing left except for Q Sushi in that case.

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                wasabica RE: kevin Feb 4, 2014 11:27 AM

                I looked at reviews for Q - many complaints of "marinated fish" in strong sauces. Sounds like it is more modern than traditional. Would you agree?

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                ns1 RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 11:47 AM

                OP: you should just read these reviews

                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/924497
                http://www.kevineats.com/2013/11/q-su...

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                  wasabica RE: ns1 Feb 4, 2014 01:13 PM

                  I somehow missed those - thank you very much. I think I agree that I need to try Q. Thanks for the help!!

                2. dbchun RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 03:00 PM

                  you sound like quite a sushiphile, I'd be curious to hear your opinion of Jinpachi in W.Hollywood

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                    wasabica RE: dbchun Feb 4, 2014 03:14 PM

                    I haven't been because it is more modern/westernized with ingredients like hot sauce being liberally used.

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                      dbchun RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 03:20 PM

                      ah ok, i don't recall much hot sauce the last time i had omakase there but i can see where you're coming from regarding modernized

                      sushi Q looks great and sounds like a good match for a strict traditionalist

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                        wasabica RE: dbchun Feb 4, 2014 04:47 PM

                        sometimes I do enjoy modern - I do not mean to appear inflexible. But, and maybe I need to move this to a new post for further discussion, I find that when the chef has to add strong flavors like hot sauce, eel sauce, heavy mayo, etc. it is because the fish is often (not always!) sub par and requires some flavor boosting to cover up fishiness from age or lack of flavor from being low quality. It is also why good chefs often season the fish for you and do not allow you to drown it in soy sauce and fake wasabi. The fish should speak for itself with subtle flavor enhancements from a light hand. The additions should not drown out the fish flavors

                  2. Porthos RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 04:49 PM

                    The answer to your query is Mori.

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                      kevin RE: Porthos Feb 4, 2014 04:54 PM

                      "Mori is off the list with all the changes. "

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                      Though I would have said Mori too.

                      so all he's left with his Q Sushi.

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                      TailbackU RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 05:13 PM

                      I think as many have said, you should try Q Sushi. But if the aging of the fish and the different sauces scare you away, give Sushi Kimagure in Pasadena a try. His nigiri is some of the best in town and very generous cuts of fish.

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                        J.L. RE: TailbackU Feb 4, 2014 05:50 PM

                        I think we may be throwing the term "Edo-style" around a bit too loosely here.

                        Strictly speaking, the aging of the fish (neta) IS part of the Edo-style tradition.

                        Also - Saucing or marinating or seasoning the nigiri IS part of the Edo-style tradition.

                        Just presenting the above as a point of information, in case what we're looking for is not actually Edo-style, but rather sushi/nigiri with less garnishing...

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                          wasabica RE: J.L. Feb 5, 2014 06:06 PM

                          I think I understand the difference but in hindsight I should have called that out in my question. I appreciate the aging and enjoy the nuance found with kelp or dashi-infused sauces/marinates. I was originally worried about what I believe to be non-edo style sauces/marinades such as drowning in sweet miso glazes or the gari juice that is added to some of the soy seasoning at Zo. (Not to mention the westernized chili oil/teriyaki sauces so prevalent in "high end" sushi bars.) If there is nuance here I am missing I would appreciate any clarification you could offer, thanks

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                        AlkieGourmand RE: wasabica Feb 4, 2014 06:47 PM

                        IMO, Mori is the best, easily.

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                          Bikkembergs RE: wasabica Feb 5, 2014 03:18 PM

                          You can try Sushi Tanaka in Simi Valley...that's if you don't mind a long distance drive

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                            kevin RE: Bikkembergs Feb 5, 2014 04:24 PM

                            Hmm, sushi tanaka, never heard of it.

                            porthos, jl, offalo, have you ever hit that up ?????????

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                              wasabica RE: Bikkembergs Feb 5, 2014 06:50 PM

                              A true foodie never minds the drive. :) Can you tell me more about what makes them special?

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                                kevin RE: wasabica Feb 5, 2014 06:50 PM

                                Maybe you can hit up go smart, but they do sauce things.

                                But it's unconscionably good in my opinion.

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                              goldpackage RE: wasabica Feb 5, 2014 08:07 PM

                              Go's mart?

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