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Weight Watchers Foodies -- Groundhog Day Edition! -- February 2014 [OLD]

I happen to love the movie Groundhog Day, and since we will be informed of that critter's ruling on the duration of winter tomorrow, I thought that both things combine to make an apt title for our monthly discussion.

Groundhog Day is a very good example of the adage (spoken frequently by my WW leader, BTW): If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got. That pretty much describes the movie, and the ongoing struggle to change the way we deal with food.

And on the other hand, the groundhog will soon let us know how many more days to spring, and when all the winter wrappings and layers come off, I, for one, want there to be a whole lot less of me underneath.

So let's get going, WW Foodies!

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  1. Great into to the month, roxlet. Love it :)

    1. I wanted to wait for a fresh thread to talk about this, since the last one got so long....

      Weight Watchers cookbooks. The ladies in my group seem to be the type that don't like cooking, don't really know how, or just have a very different palate than me, so I can't really ask them.

      Are they worth the investment for a Chowhound? Do they have great recipes that are worth a look, or should I stick with finding suitable recipes online or altering regular recipes to fit my needs?

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      1. re: Kontxesi

        I just got the 20 minute book that a couple of the women in my meeting were touting, but I haven't completely gone through it yet, nor have I cooked from it. I will certainly post here when I do either.

        1. re: roxlet

          I'm very interested in hearing how this book works out for you.

          ~TDQ

          1. re: The Dairy Queen

            I will certainly post here when I get to it!

          2. re: roxlet

            roxlet, I picked up copy of this book today. I'm really loving the "Great Grains" quick access info on the front and back cover flaps!

            Anyway, this book contains 70 Simple Start/Simple Filling recipes. If it would be motivating to you (because I know you're feeling a bit adrift at the moment), I would be happy to have a mini WW COTM with you in this thread where we each pick recipes out of this book to try and report on. Maybe if we each committed to trying one a week? Would that be helpful to you at all?

            ETA: Or, we could start an outside "cooking from" thread that might be a good reference for all of in the future, "Cooking from Weight Watchers Cookbooks"?

            ~TDQ

            1. re: The Dairy Queen

              Interesting idea, TDQ.

              1. re: roxlet

                So...what I think I might do, as long as there are no objections, is create a new outside "cooking from ww cookbooks" thread.

                I will continue (um, start?) to post my WW recipes reports in these monthly WW Foodies threads. Then link to THIS thread in the other thread. That way, over time, we can find those cookbook reports without having to remember which month's thread I (and other contributors, I hope!) posted them in.

                I suppose I should include other WW recipes since there are lots of WW recipes that come from pamphlets and their website and sources like that...

                Does that sound good?

                ~TDQ

                1. re: The Dairy Queen

                  I was actually thinking about that this morning! I think that would be great, so that we don't have to search through months of threads to find recipe recommendations.

                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                    I think it sounds like a fun, great idea.
                    I don't actually own any WW cookbooks (maybe this exercise will tempt me), but if there are links maybe I can try some that are posted.

                    It would only add to my inspiration when cooking, so thanks for doing this.

                    1. re: rabaja

                      I don't own any either, as the ones I've seen seem to be geared towards people who don't cook much. I'm happy to let TDQ be the guinea pig and see if they are worth it! :)

                    2. re: The Dairy Queen

                      OK, here's a link to the "Cooking From Weight Watchers cookbooks, pamphlets and other WW recipes" thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/966660

                      ~TDQ

                2. re: roxlet

                  My amazingly supportive husband is cooking crispy chicken with roasted red pepper sauce from Under 20 even as we speak! I'll let you know how it turns out. And whether it is be done "Under 20" or not. To be fair, we're doing 1.5 times the recipe,so it could take a little longer than 20 mins, I suppose.

                  ~TDQ

                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                    OMG, disaster, entirely due to user error. Will have to retry this on a different day. For the record, chicken is STILL cooking.

                    ~TDQ

                    1. re: The Dairy Queen

                      What happened?

                      1. re: Kontxesi

                        Gah. Well, first of all, it was incredibly kind and supportive of my husband to unload the dishwasher, cook dinner, and clean up, so I don't want to seem ungrateful or as if I'm dumping on him, it really was just a matter of my poor communication. I assembled all of the ingredients for this dish, pulled out the food processor and the kitchen scale, scaled the recipe to 1.5, (because of the weight of the chicken breasts I'd purchased) and walked my husband through the adjustments I wanted him to make to the recipe.

                        Basically you make a sauce in the food processor of a bit of balsamic vinegar (for which I attempted to substitute because I thought I had some and didn't--bad choice, it turned out a little too sour, don't do that), dust the chicken tenders in corn meal and pan fry them in olive oil and serve topped with the sauce you've warmed on the stove. Fresh basil goes into the dish, too, but I don't know if that's in the sauce or in the corn meal--both, I think. Also, garlic and S&P.

                        Anyway, I neglected to mention that he should slice the gigantor chicken breasts into tenders. So instead of a full recipe of 4 chicken tenders, which would cook relatively quickly, we had a 1.5 times recipe of only two chicken breasts (I had intended each gigantor chicken breasts to be sliced into 3 tenders each), but I didn't tell him to do that. Totally my fault. He cooks the meal to my specifications. If I don't tell him to do it, he probably won't--he asks questions as he goes if something doesn't make sense to him, but this one got past him. Normally this system of me setting everything up and him cooking works well for us, but tonight it did not. I probably should have sliced the chicken up but I didn't do a full mise en place because my toddler wanted to play hide and seek--so, I just assembled the ingredients and left my husband to his own devices.

                        So, instead of these nice, quick, svelte, cornmeal dusted chicken tenders, we had these humungo, thick, boring chicken breasts that took forever to cook, had the wrong ratio of cornmeal dusting to chicken, and weren't properly portioned.

                        I'd try this again as written and see what we think before I'd rate it. It was easy. It most certainly would have been quick. The chicken took on a nice golden color. As far as I can tell from our botched effort, I don't think the chicken ever gets crispy, but the cornmeal provides some texture. But, I could be wrong on that.

                        ~TDQ

                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                          Aw! I hope he didn't feel too bad. My fiance would get pretty down and then not cook for a while. (Not that he cooks much as it is.... The kitchen is pretty much my territory at this point.)

                          1. re: Kontxesi

                            Oh, not all all. We have had our share of kitchen disasters--mostly mine--but it wasn't as if the dish was inedible or anything like that. Mostly I felt bad because I forgot to mention it and because it took longer than it should have. We have maybe 6-8 recipes we cook all the time at our house and, except for those, we hardly ever cook the same thing twice. We end up making a lot of mistakes!

                            Even though not perfect, it was still more interesting to try something new than the same old thing.

                            ~TDQ

                            1. re: The Dairy Queen

                              I rarely repeat recipes. I need to get a collection of recipes that I make on a regular basis and then only cook something new like... 2 days a week. There are just so many things to try!

                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                That's part of my problem, too, is that I rarely repeat recipes. And though I've tried zillions of them, I forget what I've tried. That's one reason I wanted to set up the "Cooking From" thread because it kind of forces me to document what I tried, what I liked didn't like, etc. to jog my memory later. EYB is a good place to do that too, of course, if you are a member, except that so few of the WW cookbooks are indexed.

                                ~TDQ

                                1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                  I tried to start a cooking journal once. Actually, I think I've done that twice now.... I know where both of them are, and they each have like three or four pages filled. :p

                                  I need to get them out and keep them in a kitchen drawer, so I'll be more likely to pull it out after dinner and write down what I made and what we thought about it.

                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                    I usually email myself and then I have a nice searchable database.

                                    1. re: Kontxesi

                                      I like journal idea :) For a couple of summers I kept a gardening journal. I am still having great time flipping through it. I might do it again this summer as I am planning to start a small garden on my balcony. And food journal is super helpfu. I keep little notebooks filled with recipes when i cook at my daughter's - recipes from books they are at home and the ones to try - these get crossed out if they are not great. I should start doing it for myself too - I have so many projects on the go that probably won't get organized for a while. Wish there were more hours in a day!

                                      1. re: herby

                                        I have so many plans to start a journal and always forget. Maybe I'll start one today. :)

                                        ~TDQ

                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                          One thing that I wished I had thought to do when my son was little, was to write down a single sentence every day about what he had said or done. You think you will never forget, but you will...

                                          1. re: roxlet

                                            I'm going to go upstairs right now and get my diary.

                                            ~TDQ

                                            1. re: roxlet

                                              I love this. You just made me tear up. I'm totally doing this.

                              2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                Pic attached of what the dish should look like according to the photo in the cookbook. The peas are a side dish, not part of the recipe. I suppose I should look to see if they are elsewhere in the cookbook. Wasn't mentioned in the serving suggestions for recipe.

                                ~TDQ

                                 
                                 
                                 
                                1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                  Too bad! Sounds like a good idea, and certainly a 20 minute meal done in smaller pieces.

                        2. re: Kontxesi

                          My own preference is to find suitable recipes or adjust recipes to make them WW friendly.

                          I find that the Recipe Builder on the WW website is a great tool. If I find a recipe that I think would work, I enter it and then if I feel like it's too many points for what I want, I will adjust it to get it where I want. If I have to change something too much, then I usually just skip it and move on.

                          1. re: valerie

                            Yes, I agree, but sometimes it is nice to not have to do the work. Most of all, my problem is that no one else in my house is on WW, so I always have to adapt.

                        3. http://www.101cookbooks.com/archives/...

                          I've made versions of this basically every other day for the past week.

                          I lost 5lbs in first 3 weeks!

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                          1. re: relizabeth

                            How many points is this? It looks quite interesting!

                            1. re: roxlet

                              4 servings- 10 pts

                              I've used the ratios in it to make a kimchi version (no cheese, and used canola oil and sesame oil) and a paella version (no cheese/smoked paprika). Very tasty.

                          2. I stepped on the scale this morning before leaving the house, and now I'm tempted not to go to my meeting this evening. What a terrible number. I knew I was going to be up, because I made chocolate chip cookies this weekend and ate almost the whole batch by myself, and then ate Chinese for lunch yesterday....

                            But DAMN.

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                            1. re: Kontxesi

                              Chinese food is salty so you are likely holding some water.

                              Think about going to your meeting tonight anyhow. I know for myself, they can be really helpful for either staying on track or getting back on track. I know I wouldn't have stuck to things back in the fall if I hadn't kept going despite being sick and stressed. That weekly check in with others really helped me to focus long term and not just on the frustration I was feeling at the time.

                              The number on the scale is just that...a number. I wish there was a way to attend the meetings and only weight in occasionally....there's so much value in what goes in them and the scale becomes such a focus, often detrimentally.

                              I ate a waffle for lunch at work and pizza at the basketball game for dinner yesterday. It happens. Today is a new day! :-) Hang in there

                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                It happens.

                                I gained 8.8 lbs in a week and a half over the holdidays.

                                2 weeks later it was all gone. A good chunk of it water, I'm sure. I had Chinese too ;)

                                Do NOT worry. 2 weeks, it'll be gone.

                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                  Up 4.2, setting a record for myself. Oof. :(

                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                    Disappointing, I know. I'm nervous about my weigh-in today. It was a good/bad week, so it could go either way...

                                2. We're sticking with Simple Start and are struggling to keep each days food from seeming like the day before - so the Groundhog Day metaphor can apply in another way.

                                  We poached a whole chicken on Sunday, last night I threw some wild rice mix into some of the broth, 20 minutes later added diced potato, diced carrot and herbes de Provence, and finally added the shredded chicken. Very satisfying chicken soup on a winter night.

                                  1. Grrr. Up again -- 1.4. Can't seem to get back on the consistently-losing train.

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                                    1. re: roxlet

                                      I was also up 1.4 this week. You're not alone.

                                      1. re: magic

                                        Sorry.

                                        1. re: roxlet

                                          Oh it's ok. I knew I would be. I went a bit nuts last weekend.

                                          I know some of it is water as well.

                                          Listen, I gained 8.8 in just over a week and then lost it all just as quick. A year into WW and I am learning to not stress the numbers and to "own it" when I've gone off the rails a bit.

                                          The general direction is what's most important to me. So I gained 1.4. Oh well. This week I've just been more disciplined. So I know I'll get there.

                                          SO WILL YOU :-)

                                    2. How's everyone doing? Hope it was a good weekend all the way around. I'm kind of jealous of the cold weather the rest of the country is having as it's been too darn warm here toenjoy any cozy winter food this year here!

                                      I skipped weigh in last week because i got caught late at work adn it was my husband's birthday on weigh in night. By the time I got home it was too late to weigh in so we just went out for his birthday instead.

                                      We had a challenging weekend with his birthday and the Opening Ceremony party we hosted Friday night. Russian food ain't light! LOL I also had an orange creamsicle cake for him at the party for his birthday. After tracking the calories with my best guestimates I wasn't surprised to see 2000 calories consumed that night!

                                      I gave 90% of the leftovers away and only kept some marinated beets, marinated green beans and a couple vegetarian stuffed cabbage rolls. I also gave all the cake away. So at least we weren't tempted the rest of the weekend. We ran a 10k yesterday to work off some of the pierogies. LOL

                                      We'll see what this week's weigh in brings. I don't expect it to be too terrible as I knew the party was coming so ate light in the week before and will eat lighter this week now. I'm trying to remind myself this is what healthy people do. Indulge occasionally and balance it with healthy habits the other days.

                                      I do wish I had a piece of that cake with my coffee though! :-P

                                      1. I had a good week last week, though I didn't officially weigh in, just on my home scale. The weekend was a little rough with 2 big dinners on Saturday and Sunday nights.

                                        My next weigh in is on Thursday so I'm working to make the next few days good days. So far so good for today!

                                        1. I'm not having too great a week, but I'm trying to right the ship!

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                                          1. re: roxlet

                                            Old roxlet might have tried to right the ship much later on down the road, when it would have been much more difficult.

                                            You're doing well :)

                                          2. I started my 7-day trial at the gym yesterday. Things I learned:

                                            - stationary bike seats are uncomfortable and you will feel it the next day
                                            - you need good shoes with proper arch support to use an elliptical
                                            - my fiance's upper body strength is 4x mine

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                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                              Also, I want to express some frustration. I was on a stationary bike for an hour, and did 12 miles in that time. My ActiveLink barely picked anything up. I was so angry when I got in bed last night and it only blinked up to the 75% mark.

                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                The active link is really not very good, imo. The most active day I've had where I walked about 5 miles, it showed me having not even used 1 point's worth. I lost the clip for it, and now I just put it in my pocket, and I think it's more accurate. I think they charge only $5 per month because it's almost more trouble to cancel than to keep on using it!

                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                  Yeah, my friend just suggested that I move it to my pocket/waistband. I'm just concerned I'll lose it that way! Back when I had a smaller phone, I was prone to dropping it on the floor in public restrooms.... I'm worried this little thing will find its way into a toilet. :/

                                                  Maybe I'll look into similar products.

                                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                                    Since I've been putting it in my pocket, I'm much more active...or so the blasted thing says!!

                                            2. I have never used the Activity Link(I didn't want to give WW $5 more a month to be honest! LOL)....is it supposed to pick up activities like cycling?? If so, how frustrating!

                                              I;ve been using a Fitbit since Christmas and for the most part have been happy iwth it. It doesn't pick up when I use the erg but I like just being able to gauge day to day how much walking I'm getting in beyond my exercise sessions. I had to do laps around the house last night while brushing my teeth to get in the last 300 steps for a benchmark I'd set for myself for the day earlier in the morning! LOL

                                              I've been so busy at work this week I haven't eaten at home at all which stinks from a sodium stand point. Lookign forward to a home cooked valentines meal of salmon and lentils. Anyone else making something special?

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                                              1. re: ziggylu

                                                I thought it was supposed to pick up any activity. I've been surprised a few times when I came in much lower than I thought I should've, but I trusted it.... I was definitely unhappy this time though.

                                                I guess I just gave it more credit than I should have. If I can justify dropping $100, I might get a FitBit; I need to track my sleep, anyway....

                                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                                  Yeah, I don't know how it works and they don't push it much in my meetings(My leader wears a Fitbit FWIW). I think the point part comes from what it determines to be above and beyond your normal activity rate? I'm not sure.

                                                  I find the Fitbit much easier. Steps taken for the day. Really just a pedometer. I live much better in a black and white world which is why the WW point tracking was confusing me too. LOL

                                                  I haven't used the sleep funtion much but it does seem to record accurately and disturbances.( I actually sleep like the dead so after a few nights I stopped wearing it).

                                                  I find wearing something pedometer, whatever useful...I also balance what I've been eating for the day with my activity more regularly this way.

                                                2. re: ziggylu

                                                  I intend on using that pedometer thingy from WW at some point.

                                                  Does it not work well?

                                                  1. re: magic

                                                    I've been using WW pedometer for several months now and it works well for me. It stores a week worth of info and allows me to tally up every Friday to see how well or not I did through the week and average. I at least doubled my daily activity since I started. As soon as boots and heavy coat come off I am going to walk more and get to that magic 10K steps per day - I am at 6-7K now.

                                                    1. re: herby

                                                      I lost my fitbit at a 10k race yesterday! I shed my sweatshirt to put in my gear bag before starting and I think it must have come off then.

                                                      I AM SO BUMMED! I can't believe how addicted I'd become to using that thing over the last 6 weeks. I park about a third mile from my desk at work so 10,000 steps isn't hard for me betwen the walk to and from the car and other walking on campus.. but I used the fitbit to really push myself to get to 15-20k per day(especially on my non running days) so I'd go beyond my daily routine.

                                                      When I first got it I was averaging about 7k steps per day, so I agree herby, it's been really good for getting more activity in my day! (I do the toothbrush march at night where I march aroudn the house and kitchen island brushing my teeth to get a few hundred steps in rather than just standing and staring in the mirror!)

                                                      last night I said to my husband I didn't feel obligated to walk the dogs since I coudln't see what my steps were against any goal I'd set for myself for the day. Poor dogs. LOL Fortunatley he still had his and was 1000 steps shy of 30k(he'd run a half marathon while I ran the 10k) and insisted we take the dogs out so he could hit his goal.

                                                      I'm seriously crushed. I had linked my account with a bunch of friends and we all have a good time goading each other during the day about who's ahead of who.

                                                      Clearly I find it very motivating. LOL Trying to justify spending another $100 on one!

                                                      1. re: ziggylu

                                                        I think you just justified that! Clearly, it's an important part of your fitness routine, so it's worth it!

                                                        You might call the company and complain that the clasp (or however it attaches) must have been faulty since it fell off. If they don't give you a new one, they might give you a discount. I loss my first active link, and I got another free one from Phillips.

                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                          Actually I sent an email to them last night asking if they'd give me a discount for a new one. They want a copy of my receipt so we're trying to see if it's hiding in the office somewhere.

                                                          so sad...! LOL

                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                            Suddenly, I want one.

                                                            ~TDQ

                                                        2. re: herby

                                                          Thanks herby...

                                                          Where do you wear the the pedometer on your person? Does it matter?

                                                          1. re: magic

                                                            I clip it to the waist band or to pant pocket if there is one. The WW pedometer has a clip and another fastener so it is hard to loose. I do not think it matters but not 100% sure. A woman at WW office was wearing one and I just copied her :)

                                                            1. re: herby

                                                              Ok, I will probably start using it soon and I just wanted to know if the pedometer functions better in one position on the body versus another position.....

                                                              1. re: magic

                                                                I think as long as you are consistent it will work just fine.

                                                                1. re: herby

                                                                  Very good. Thanks :)

                                                                2. re: magic

                                                                  I use the Fitbit Flex and it's on a comfortable rubber bracelet-love it, and knew that I'd lose the clip on one. It's very motivating!

                                                                  1. re: magic

                                                                    They say the flex should go on your non-dominant wrist-don't know about the clip on fitbit.

                                                                    1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                      Thank you!

                                                        3. I went to the gym yesterday for a 40 minute session between work and the meeting. I texted my mom while I was working out and told her to call the 1-800 number and make sure the meeting wasn't canceled. By the time I got out and she picked me up, it was snowing.

                                                          Well, we got there and it WAS canceled; she never called the number. Luckily there weren't 4-hour backups on the highway like there were in 2009 when we got a bad snow and we got home okay.

                                                          I moved my ActiveLink to my waistband yesterday, and got a MUCH better reading during my workout. I'll keep it there from now on.

                                                          1. Knowing it was going to snow again and I'd be in the house all day, yesterday I made a big batch of the WW Garden Vegetable Soup which is 0 points. I figured if I'm going to be eating all day, I might as well at least try to fill up on something that has no points. I just had 2 mugfuls and it is pretty filling.

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                                                            1. re: valerie

                                                              You're much better at this than I am.... I just ate a whole roll of Thin Mints. O.o

                                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                I looooove Thin Mints! This thread is just making me hungrier lol

                                                            2. Since my meeting was cancelled today, and my husband will take my car to Baltimore for a tournament tomorrow, I will be house bound until Tuesday. I'm taking this as a reprieve. We are having our Valentine's Day dinner tonight, which will be my husband's fabulous fried chicken, and then, for the rest of the weekend, I will be on bread and water until next Thursday's weigh in. Just kidding, but not much!

                                                              1. Our meeting was not cancelled here in Arizona so off we went. -.6.

                                                                Stay warm everyone!

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                                                                1. re: ziggylu

                                                                  Good loss. I'd take that every week.

                                                                2. Good morning WW hounds! I need your help in getting my WW mojo back. I need to lose weight, I want to lose weight, but I'm just too tired, too exhausted, too stressed, too busy to do the things I need to do for myself like, go to meetings. But, I know I can do this. I especially think that if I can just get a jump start I will start to feel better about myself and have more energy and it will snowball in a good way.

                                                                  Can you help give me your best tips for success? For getting started? Your favorite pantry items? Your favorite recipes? Whatever you think I need to know to get off my duff, I'd appreciate.

                                                                  Here's some things I think I can do right away:
                                                                  1) load my fridge with fresh fruit
                                                                  2) Make a batch of zero-point soup or whatever they are calling it now
                                                                  3) Find my big mug of water
                                                                  4) hard boil some eggs for the week
                                                                  5) make a grain salad ahead for the week--any suggestions for a great one?
                                                                  6) make a batch of slow cooker steel cut oats for the week
                                                                  7) choose some simple but appealing (ie., delicious and satisfying and hopefully something I could feed to my family and not have complaints that it's too diet-y) recipes for the week--any favorites to suggest?
                                                                  8) freeze some grapes for snack.

                                                                  Thanks in advance!

                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                    I've been having the same problem! My mojo is soso right now.

                                                                    Have you seen the variations on the WW vegetable soup in the new Simple Start booklet? I'm not sure if you're referring to those soups.

                                                                    I'm taking a piece of salmon out of the freezer for tonight's dinner, and I think that I will crust it with something and then pan sear.

                                                                    I wish I had a ton of great ideas today, but as I said, my will has been weak lately. I'm not giving up, though...

                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                      Yes, soso mojo is my problem. I haven't gotten my hands on Simple Start booklet yet, but I was thinking of making this soup: https://www.weightwatchers.com/food/r...

                                                                      I've been scrounging around the internet to see if I can find a copy of "Under 20". A new cookbook is often motivating for me, unless I don't cook from it... Then I just feel guilty.

                                                                      Okay, I'm also going to buy some of those polenta chubs, some yogurt (I think I'm going to start with 2%--I don't have the motivation to eat anything with less fat in it right now), some dates, some of those chocolate vitamuffin tops...

                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                        Thank you for the great suggestions, everyone! I've been successful on WW in the past by following the core plan, which is now pretty much the simply filling technique. But, it is pretty restrictive in terms of what foods you're allowed to eat if you don't plan on counting points. On the other hand, I just don't think I have the discipline to count points right now.

                                                                        So, here's what I got at the grocery store:

                                                                        Wild alaskan salmon for dinner tonight+potatoes for crash hot potatoes. We'll have some frozen veg I have on hand.

                                                                        Ingredients for our favorite Mexican Style Quinoa and Chicken hotdish: http://www.twincities.com/ci_11528141 I'm being super lazy for this, my kickstart week. Not only did I buy rotisserie chicken for this dish, I bought it already picked off the bone! Also, reduced fat cheddar cheese instead of full-fat. I'll count points for that.

                                                                        Ingredients for this slow cooker lasagna (never tried it but it looks simple, hearty family friendly, and has great reviews. I bought cottage cheese instead of the ricotta): http://www.weightwatchers.com/food/rc...

                                                                        Ingredients for zero point soup: http://www.weightwatchers.com/food/rc...

                                                                        Ingredients for this slow cooker beef with broccoli (someone on chowhound recommended this, sorry can't remember who): http://www.emilybites.com/2013/01/slo...

                                                                        Ingredients for this slow cooker steel cuts oats: http://www.weightwatchers.com/food/rc...

                                                                        Also, eggs, whole wheat pita breads laughing cow lite wedges (different brand though, because it was on sale two for one), yogurt, pickles (high in sodium, I know, but otherwise low in fat and calories), pickled herring (in white wine, not cream sauce), tons of fruit, most of it already cut (again, just trying to lower the barrier on any excuses while I'm just starting out), sunflower seeds, dates, smoked salmon, Canadian bacon. I have a ton of whole grains in my cupboard (including the polenta chubs!) and lots of vegetables in the freezer, so I'm good there. Oh, popcorn!

                                                                        Also, avocado and tofu so I can make the avocado and tofu dish from Every Grain of Rice.

                                                                        I think that's pretty much it!

                                                                        I'm trying to rely heavily on the slow cooker, partly because we are just so busy right now with commitments on Monday and Weds evenings (not to mention all of the snow shoveling) it's nice to come home to a hot meal that is ready to go, but also, if I can shave some time off meal cooking and prep, I might be more likely to get some exercise in. Finally, if dinner is already done by the time I get home from work stressed and exhausted, I'm less likely to something really dumb for dinner.

                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                          OK, reporting back on the crock pot beef with broccoli, which I served over quinoa. Honestly, I didn't love it. But, to be fair, I pretty much modified the recipe beyond recognition. Here's a more detailed post (over in the slow cooker thread) describing the modifications I made: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8643...

                                                                          But, was it better than having nothing plan friendly for dinner and resorting to something really unhelpful and unproductive? YES!

                                                                          Right now in my crock pot is some zero point soup, to which I added some diced tomatoes in lieu of some of the stock and for which I used pre-shredded broccoli/carrots/cabbage in lieu of those items. Skipped the cauliflower. I've never done it in the crock pot before, so we'll see how it goes.

                                                                          Also, I've got the pumpkin steel cut oats in the slow cooker. I forgot to add the brown sugar and pumpkin pie spice (just got distracted, unfortunately) so I'll have to doctor it a little in the morning. No biggie.

                                                                          I'm going to try to wake up early tomorrow and bake up the Mexican Quinoa Chicken hotdish because we have an evening commitment we'll be rushing to tomorrow and we'll only have time to reheat dinner. The key to the quinoa hotdish is having the quinoa and chicken cooked in advance. Once you've got those, it's litlte more than assemble and bake.

                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                    2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                      The key is to find what works for you. Meaning, hard boiled eggs, steel cut oats and grain salads would never work for me. I hate hard boiled eggs and steel cut oats and I have a hard time portioning out salads that aren't just vegetables. Be careful of things that sound low in points like "salads". They often are not so low.

                                                                      So for me, I like to keep breakfast to 3-4 points, lunch to 5-7 points and have a substantial dinner and a 3 point treat for dessert.

                                                                      I often have low point salads for lunch. A few times a week, I make a big tray of roasted vegetables and I have those for dinner with whatever else I make. If I make something like fajitas for dinner, I will add extra peppers and onions and have a lot of those instead of a lot of chicken/steak. Or if we have pasta for dinner. I measure out my pasta and load it up with vegetables. It's all about choices...would I rather have extra pasta or add parmesan cheese? Truthfully the answer is both! But that's what brought me to WW in the first place.

                                                                      1. re: valerie

                                                                        Very nicely said.

                                                                        1. re: valerie

                                                                          You know, it's a good reminder to just think about amping up fruits and vegetables (but especially vegetables) in every dish. I really try to do that when I'm at my best on plan. I just try to consciously think every time I make a meal, can this dish be improved by adding more vegetables? It's often super easy to just double the vegetables or add in a couple of handfuls of spinach to what you're making.

                                                                          My child's preschool requires that you put at least two servings of fruits or vegetables in your child's lunch, and it must be two different kinds of produce, not just two servings of the same thing. It would probably help if I thought that way for my own meals, too.

                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                            Wow, progressive pre-school. That is kind of awesome.

                                                                            1. re: magic

                                                                              It sure keeps you from getting lazy. :)

                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                            2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                              I add spinach to a lot of things. I always keep frozen chopped spinach around. It kind of just mixes in with a lot of dishes and it's filling and it's a good source of fiber. And while I wouldn't serve it to company, for weeknight dinners, I also add in canned mushrooms (I actually like them better than fresh!).

                                                                          2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                            Hello TDQ!
                                                                            I was really slow to start and can relate to what you are saying...it took me a year to finally say "that's it, I"m doing this" after telling myself I really needed to. I just couldn't find the energy to do anything. Once I got started though, I felt so much better that kept me going.

                                                                            I started really slowly and didn't try to change a lot of things at once. For me this worked really well and I was able to build on each smart change.

                                                                            When I first started, I spent the first week just tracking. Just getting in the habit of doing so. I didn't necessarily set out to change how I ate, though by keeping track you really see what you eat and how those choice can affect your daily budget. From there I began picking thigns to change like "add a piece of fruit to each meal" and "cut out rice this week" etc. Once each habit stuck I added something new.

                                                                            Things that I always have on had now that I'm 8 months into this are:

                                                                            bananas
                                                                            fat free cottage cheese
                                                                            fresh berries
                                                                            non fat greek yogurt
                                                                            eggs(including some hard boiled ones to grab as snacks)
                                                                            seasonal fresh fruit(lots of citrus right now)
                                                                            Boxes of greens(lettucs, spinach, arugula, mustard, etc)
                                                                            carrots, cucumbers and sweet bell peppers for snacks
                                                                            turkey and chicken breast
                                                                            lean sirloin steaks
                                                                            asst frozen fish and shrimp from Costco
                                                                            canned tuna
                                                                            fresh dates
                                                                            peanut butter
                                                                            Dark chocolate bars(for an evening treat!)

                                                                            I don't cook from many recipes, just kind of toss things together. Since October, i've been working really long hours and get up really early to exercise before work so don't cook much during hte week. Our dinners tend ot be very simple - egg based, salads with some protein in or on them, quinoa salads, an occasional sandwich(I don't eat much bread anymore so this a yummy treat when I do have one).

                                                                            There's lots of good ideas in these threads though...take a look back over the last few months. There were some Grace Young WW recipes posted at one point. I tried a couple of them and they were quite good!

                                                                            We had some salmon and lentils on Friday for dinner. We used the leftovers of both yesterday in a salad with some vegetables and sherry vinaigrette.

                                                                            1. re: ziggylu

                                                                              Thank you, ziggylu, for all of the really specific ideas. I really love your strategy of working on changing just one habit at a time. I think I shall for now just focus on trying to prepare and plan ahead as the habit I'm going to focus on.

                                                                              I've heard it takes 3 weeks to change a habit. I love those little mini-bell peppers for snacks. Good reminder! I have some almond butter in the fridge at work that I like to stir into my yogurt. I should remember to start doing that again! Gives it a little flavor and nutritional boost.

                                                                              What's your favorite thing to do with canned tuna?

                                                                              And, yes, I shall look through some older threads for ideas, too. Thank you!

                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                I haven't tried peanut or almond butter in yogurt. I'll have to try that! My husband can eats bowls and bowls of greek yogurt with fruit. I don't enjoy it as much as he does but am trying to eat more. I love cottage cheese and ricotta with fruit but the yogurt is such a good option nutritionally.

                                                                                We keep the tuna on hand for salads. I like to mix it up with celery, carrots, cucumber, grape tomatoes. green onion, red bell pepper, kalamata olives, feta, mint and red wine vinegar. We either put it on greens or stuff into a tomato. It''s a quick lunch or a refreshing dinner in the summer.

                                                                                1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                  Gosh, that sounds delicious! Healthful too!

                                                                                  You know, I find fat free yogurt in the morning is satisfying if I can have it with a little nut butter or about a tsp of walnuts and a piece of fruit. The nuts makes the difference between satisfying and not-satisfying for me. Perhaps I need the little bit of healthy fats it adds?

                                                                                  Anyway, I'm going to my my lasagna in the crock pot now. I hope it's good!

                                                                                  ETA: Nope, wait, too soon to put the lasagna in. People in the recipe reviews said the cook time is too long as written...

                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                    Oh, yes! I forgot to mention I add sliced almonds to most of my breakfasts be it some sort of dairy and fruit or oatmeal. For the same reason. Just seems to add a little bit extra protein and fat to hold me without being too high in calories(or point). I like to toast off a bunch and toss in the freezer so i can grab at any time.

                                                                                    My husband is home today while I'm at work. He mentioned putting something in the crock pot for dinner tonight. I think I might send him that lasagna recipe now that you mention it.

                                                                                2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                  Hi there TDQ, nice to see you here :)

                                                                                  I am currently taking Thai cooking classes and one of the dishes we made was a tuna salad from canned tuna. How it is a Thai dish? Do not ask... However, it was a nice fresh tasting salad. I'll look up the recipe and post it tonight.

                                                                                  1. re: herby

                                                                                    Not TDQ, but that sounds so intriguing.
                                                                                    I wish I could eat tuna more often. It's so satisfying over salad. Damn mercury.

                                                                                    1. re: herby

                                                                                      Oh! Yes, please! I'm so intrigued. And good for you for taking Thai cooking classes. I'll bet you're having a blast.

                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                        I am :) I took Thai Street Food out of the library and finally accepted the fact that I will never cook from a book of such enormous size. Now I want Pok Pok.

                                                                                        Thai food is very light in calories. We made a soup the other day that was water flavoured with lemon grass, lime leaves and some other spice. Then shimp was added, chili birds, fish sauce and that's about it. Served with a small amount of rice it was very satisfying.

                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                          Got busy last night with a mirriad of little things and forgot to post. Remembered this morning, brought the recipe along to work and here it is.

                                                                                          THAI TUNA SALAD
                                                                                          1 can tuna in water, drained and flaked
                                                                                          1 celery stalk, thinly sliced on diagonal
                                                                                          1 medium onion, thinly sliced leng-wise
                                                                                          3-4 Thai chilies, finely chopped
                                                                                          3T fish sauce
                                                                                          4T lime juice
                                                                                          3-5 lime leaves, rolled like cigar and finely sliced
                                                                                          2-3 stalks of mint, leave picked off, rolled and finely sliced
                                                                                          Mix all ingredients together well, taste and adjust seasonings if necessary. Serve on a bed of lettuce (or in lettuce cups) decorated with slices of tomato and cucumber.

                                                                                          Do not know how Thai this salad is but it was tasty and light. One of many things that I like about Thai cooking is the lightness of the dishes - almost no oil and very little starch aside from rice.

                                                                                          If any of you make it, please post your thoughts. We'll be making pad thai tomorrow. I am very curious to see what will go into it - usually this tasty dish is a calory bomb!

                                                                                          1. re: herby

                                                                                            Sounds delicious! Thank you for sharing! I will let you know when I try it!

                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                            1. re: herby

                                                                                              This looks really good! We always do the same thing with tuna so this wil lbe a good alternative. Thanks for sharing, herby!

                                                                                              1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                You are welcome :)

                                                                                              2. re: herby

                                                                                                I just send this to my husband. I htink we might make it for dinner tonight(we're really in need of some new ideas so thansk for all the new recipes everyone!).

                                                                                                Stupid question. Neither of us will have time to get by the asian store today....can i just leaves off my lime tree in the backyard? Or do I need to get keffir or some other variety? I don't have a lot of experience with cooking asian at home....

                                                                                                1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                  We used kefir lime in class and those are the only lime leafs that I ever used in cooking. Not sure how regular lime leafs taste - might be too rough or bitter? Taste one and if it doesn't taste good just leave it out. As long as you have the other flavourings, the dish should turn out fine.

                                                                                                  1. re: herby

                                                                                                    Maybe I'll just add a little lime zest. Not the same but still might work.

                                                                                                2. re: herby

                                                                                                  herby!! YUM!!

                                                                                                  We made a few variations:
                                                                                                  serrano pepper for thai chiles
                                                                                                  added a chopped carrot
                                                                                                  subbed green onion for white as my husband prefers green
                                                                                                  added a bit of cilantro
                                                                                                  left out the lime leaves and forgot to zest the lime

                                                                                                  It was really tasty. My husband really loved it. We'll definitely make this again and rotat with the greek salad version of tuna we make. It came to 161 calories. I think points wise only the tuna counts? Winner winner!

                                                                                                  So fast to make after dinner...and from things typically on hand too!

                                                                                                  Thanks for sharing!

                                                                                                  1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                    Thank you for reporting back, Ziggylu! I think the key is neither oil nor starch = low points/calories and it is flavourful thanks to fish sauce, lime juice and herbs. Curries that we made using coconut milk are definitely calorie denser but still light. I am going to repeat at home what I liked in the class and figure out calories. Happy to post if anyone is interested.

                                                                                                    1. re: herby

                                                                                                      And I'm glad to hear that this works without the lime leaf, which I always have difficulty finding. I might have this for lunch tomorrow!

                                                                                                      1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                        If you do find kefir lime leafs, buy a bunch and keep them in the freezer - they last for a long time and keep well. In my experience every Chinese grocer has them - usually bagged and in the same area as ginger, galangal, etc. They look like fresh bay leafs.

                                                                                                        1. re: herby

                                                                                                          We have lots of asian groceries on my side of Phoenix, but none on my way home! LOL My quickest stop on the way home is a Fresh and Easy which is why I also had to get serranos for the peppers. I"ll pick up some kefir next time I'm at one of the asian groceries though.

                                                                                                          I"m thinking maybe next time add a little crushed peanut? I also think this would be good with shrimp.

                                                                                                          1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                            You have LeeLee on Dobson and Warner and oh, how I miss that market! It was a bit of a hike for me but it was my favorite there. I still hit it up when I'm visiting family since it's better than the closest Asian market here.

                                                                                                            1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                              Yes, LeeLee si the one I go to most often. Used to live at Dobson/Ray so it was super convenient. Now live further south and don't get there as frequently. I also really like Mekong at Dobson/Main. Have you been there? If not, check it out on your next visit. Plan to have lunch. Good eats to be had at Hue Gourmet in the same plaza

                                                                                                              1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                I'm sure my sister has been there, I'll plan to check it out- thanks for the info!

                                                                                                      2. re: herby

                                                                                                        Oh, please do post any winners, if it's not too much trouble! I love Thai food.

                                                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                          Well, tonight's class was pad thai and spring rolls - definitely not point friendly.

                                                                                                          She had us shallow fry spring rolls since we could not use deep fryer and kept adding cold oil to the pan making rolls soak it right up.... She said they could be baked but I am not sure that they'll taste the same - they were good but too greasy to my liking. If making again I would use peanut oil (she used safflower) and heat it up well before adding spring rolls. They were very tasty though and the simple dipping sauce was great - there were no leftovers!

                                                                                                          Pad Thai I didn't like as much as I usually like it. The spicing was timid, she used leeks instead of garlic chives and I didn't like the texture - even green onion would've been better in my opinion. But I learned the technique and what I like and do not like; not intimidated any longer to make it to my liking and might do just that in a week or two.

                                                                                                          I complain about using packaged skins and jarred stuff but I am learning things and gaining confidence and having fun :)

                                                                                                        2. re: herby

                                                                                                          Please do Herby!

                                                                                                      3. re: herby

                                                                                                        I'm going to attempt turning this into fish cakes instead of a salad tonight.

                                                                                                        1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                          Tuna? Never had tuna is fish cakes - please come back and share the results!

                                                                                                          1. re: herby

                                                                                                            Will do. I'm sure the man would happily eat it as written for lunch but after a long day at work he prefers something hot for dinner (unless its the middle of summer.)

                                                                                                            1. re: herby

                                                                                                              It was delicious, herby! I used well drained oil packed tuna and kept the liquids to a minimum- 1 T of lime juice and 1 T of fish sauce and then put the rest of the liquid in a small bowl as a dipping sauce. I added 1 beaten egg as a binder and then baked them at 400 degrees. I didn't time them, just kept an eye on them. It didn't take long at all.

                                                                                                               
                                                                                                              1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                Looks delicious, Wee! Love the look of the salad - is it Asian coleslaw? What dressing with you use?

                                                                                                          2. re: herby

                                                                                                            I made a version of this for lunch yesterday, and I thought that it was quite dry. Did anyone else find that without any kind of oil or mayo it was dry? It had good flavor, but it needed something else for me.

                                                                                                            1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                              Roxlet, what did you have it with? We had it on the bed of lettuce and garnished with tomatoe and cucumbers. I didn't find it dry. Wonder what others think?

                                                                                                              1. re: herby

                                                                                                                Over lettuce with some tomatoes...

                                                                                                              2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                I don't know what it does to the points and if it will still work for you but what about oil packed tuna? I plan on using that tonight since I need to fit more fat in my day.

                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                  Roxlet, when I made it I chopped up the tomatoes and cucumbers and tossed with the the other ingredients so didn't find it overly dry. We don't use oil when we make a similar salad with greek ingredients either though so might just be accustomed to the texture?

                                                                                                                  1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                    That's possible, for sure.

                                                                                                                  2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                    I noticed that Pok Pok has tuna salad recipe to my big surprise I must add :) I'll check to see how he makes it and will post if there is a significant difference.

                                                                                                                    1. re: herby

                                                                                                                      Yum. I'm trying to eat more wild salmon. Would this be too weird with salmon, you think?

                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                        I think it would be great with salmon, I thought that while I was eating it.

                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                          I agree with Weezie - I think it will be very nice with salmon. I also think that those cakes that Weezie posted above would be very tasty and really good for dinner because they could be served hot.

                                                                                                                          1. re: herby

                                                                                                                            Excellent, thanks to both of you! I shall try it in the next few weeks and report back.

                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                          3. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                            I recently recently restarted ww. I've been doing a lot of cooking from 101cookbooks and nyt recipes for health. They often satisfy my chow and ww needs.

                                                                                                            1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                              Congrats for getting yourself back on plan!

                                                                                                              Those are both awesome sources that I often forget about. If you have any favorite recipes to share from either of those sources, I'd love to know which ones they are. In the meantime, I will nudge those to the top of my list of recipes to check out when I'm casting about for something interesting to cook. I tend to gravitate to sites like epicurious or cookinglight where the recipes are rated by users. That way, it's easy to weed out the less successful dishes (although, I did just cook a major fail from epicurious recently, even though it was pretty highly-rated--not a plan-friendly recipe though, so none you'll all have to worry about). But I know I miss some gems that way, too, from sites where recipes aren't rated.

                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                          4. I don't know if you remember me: I used to post on the WW thread about a year or so ago. I'm back to chow and trying to get back into cooking healthier foods.
                                                                                                            I have been maintaining for about a year. I'm still at goal, but between my new job and some major cabin fever because of the NE winter, I feel like I'm slowly slipping into old habits and I want to nip it in the bud before I start gaining.
                                                                                                            Right now I have a giant pot of turkey vegetable soup on the stove for lunches for the week week. Dinner tonight will be marinated garlic-lime-shoy pork tenderlon. I'm making roasted cauliflower "rice" to go with it, but since I've never made it before, I have steamed mixed vegetables to fall back on.
                                                                                                            I also made egg "muffins" for breakfasts for the week, but they look marginally disappointing. The one I tried tasted ok, but was a bit soggy and spongy.

                                                                                                            16 Replies
                                                                                                            1. re: nerdette

                                                                                                              Hi nerdette, congrats for getting back on plan instead of allowing all your hard work to gradually unravel!

                                                                                                              Sorry to hear about those egg "muffins". Such disappointing waste of time, ingredients and points! Was it a WW recipe that let you down?

                                                                                                              I would be interested to hear from anyone who has a "tried & true" mini-frittata/egg-muffin recipe to share. I've had a few of those egg muffins recipes flagged to try but haven't gotten around to it. Because I just got back on plan, you know, today. Gah!

                                                                                                              Here are the ones I've been eyeing (I really want to try the wild rice one--I like the idea of working a whole grain into each meal), though I can't personally vouch for any of them:

                                                                                                              Spinach and Sun-Dried Tomato Frittata
                                                                                                              http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

                                                                                                              Mini Frittatas with Ham and Cheese
                                                                                                              http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/mini-...

                                                                                                              WW Individual Ham, Cheese and Veggie Frittatas
                                                                                                              http://www.weightwatchers.com/food/rc... (on this one and all WW recipes, I find it helpful to sort the comments by "most helpful" as you can usually learn a thing or two--in this case, one of the "most helpful" commenters has a good tip about browning the hash browns).

                                                                                                              Mini Cheese and Wild Rice Frittatas
                                                                                                              http://cawildrice.com/recipes/brunch/... (This is one I want to tweak a little, I think, to ease up on the points)

                                                                                                              Onion, Mushroom, and Goat Cheese Mini Frittatas Recipe
                                                                                                              http://www.chow.com/recipes/30110-oni... (Another I might tweak)

                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                              1. re: nerdette

                                                                                                                That's great that you're back. Even though I am having motivation problems (I should look in the mirror more to help with that motivation!), I am quite certain that things would be even worse if I stopped trying and stopped going to meetings. I have to get my act together!

                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                  Hey, go easy on yourself! You have been working at this awhile and it's pretty typical, I think, to go through an occasional lull or plateau. Have you talked to your leader about how your feelings and see if s/he can help you get re-inspired?

                                                                                                                  For me, and maybe this sounds dumb, but I feel like I've been hibernating during this miserable, cold winter and, really, these past couple of years where I have been going through a super bad patch at work (and kind of in life, really, except for my wonderful child and husband). But, I know spring is just around the corner. I would love to enter spring feeling lighter and brighter and less like a lump. The minute some decent weather hits, I want to be out in it biking and hiking and swimming.

                                                                                                                  Another thing, I've heard in the past that people can get re-inspired by switching things up a bit, or approaching the plan like a newbie. Have you thought about switching to simply filling technique for a week or something like that just to mix things up? I understand the two-week booklet they handed out with the 2014 plan is all SFT. Maybe trying something like that would reinspire you or at least give you a fresh perspective?

                                                                                                                  Or, maybe we can figure out some kind of challenge to do for ourselves in this thread? Like, challenge ourselves to try one new recipe a week and report back or something like that?

                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                    I tried, unsuccessfully to switch to the simply filling program. My husband does a lot of the cooking, and it just didn't work for my life. At least with points, I can figure out what a dinner is worth, and go from there, but so many of his dinners are way outside the simple start parameters.

                                                                                                                    Today I am trying something new by having a cooked piece of salmon for lunch. I get in to most of my trouble in the late afternoon, so I am going to see if a hunk of protein for the mid-day meal helps that problem. When I was losing about 2 pounds a week, I remember having some seared fish for lunch quite regularly.

                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                      Good plan!

                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                    2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                      I find winter the best time to hunker down, hibernate from the cold, and get results. A weight loss window, if you will. Probably one of the only extended windows of the year.

                                                                                                                      December holidays are past. And the Spring/Summer is looming, and my eating is at it's worst then as I celebrate life and food again.

                                                                                                                      Winter is best for losing. Still not easy mind you. Never is. But at least going out is a lot harder. Which makes weight loss.... "easier".

                                                                                                                      1. re: magic

                                                                                                                        See, what I need is an attitude adjustment. Bears emerge thinner in the spring, why can't I?

                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                          That's how I feel.

                                                                                                                          Bears have it right. Foraging for good eats in winter is a pain! And the rest of the clan is hibernating as well, which makes this an easier time to stay on plan.

                                                                                                                          :)

                                                                                                                          1. re: magic

                                                                                                                            Funny I keep reading this and think "but it's so much much harder in the winter, what am I missing??"

                                                                                                                            Then I remember where I am....we hibernate out here in the summer! It was so much easier last summer...we never went anywhere, there was no basketball season, it was a billion degrees out, and the summer fruit was so good. And who wants to eat when its 185 degrees out anyhow?

                                                                                                                            It's the total reverse of you guys right now. We're out socializing every weekend, parties, basketball games, bbqs. Temptation on every day on the calendar! LOL

                                                                                                                            it's been an hot hot winter here...that likely means early summer(boo). So, the good side of that is it will be easier soon! LOL

                                                                                                                            1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                              I guess the winter is my own personal window opportunity for weight loss. Not easy, but odds less stacked. Lots of reasons.

                                                                                                                              Summer much, MUCH harder for me.

                                                                                                                              Fall decent. Holidays dreadful. Winter good.

                                                                                                                              But to each their own right. I certainly get what you are saying ziggylu.

                                                                                                                              1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                I think it's actually the same for both of us...just a northern hemisphere vs southern hemisphere type thing. Summer is hiberation time in the desert. Winter we come out and play, party and eat! LOL

                                                                                                                                I'm tired of getting up in the dark though so am looking forward to lighter mornings. Not looking forward to the long hot days that come with them. It will be time to flavor up the water with fruit and mint soon.

                                                                                                                                I've been stuck at my desk all day and have a terrible case of the munchies. Carrot sticks not cutting it. Need to find some new crunchy snacks to keep on hand for boredom munching....

                                                                                                                                1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                  I hear you, I totally do. Same issues, different seasons.

                                                                                                                    3. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                      Roxlet, I know you saw some great success last year so I thought I'd share this from my meeting last week.

                                                                                                                      We had a gentleman hit 82lbs and get a ribbon for another ten lbs lost. Turns out he had last 77 lbs during 2012. Last year....he didn't lose, and put a few more back on. But he kept coming to meetings. He talked about how once he'd lost a lot he felt good and just kind of stalled. Yet he kept coming and talked about how important that was. He wasn't moving forward but in coming he didn't move substantially backwards either.

                                                                                                                      Anyway, don't beat yourself up! You've been really successful!

                                                                                                                      1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                        I'm really not beating myself up too much; if I were, I might be back on program more successfully! lol

                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                          LOL

                                                                                                                          I think once it's become a long term thing, over many months, and there is some good success that it can be more difficult than early on in some ways. I feel some of that. I think we've lost around the same amount in the 40-50 range? I feel so much better and I also know I can have a splurge day now and then and still stay on track so I don't ' feel that urgency with every meal I felt in the first couple months.

                                                                                                                          Anyway, your strategy of protein at lunch is great! I struggle a lot in the mid afternoon too and find the same thign helps me a lot. I put a salad together off the salad bar and then ask the cooks to grill up a piece of chicken for me. I'll eat an apple around 3 just to crunch something and that keeps me til I get home for dinner.

                                                                                                                        2. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                          God bless that gentleman.

                                                                                                                          If he had stopped coming in, given up in general, he'd likely have backtracked rather than simply stalled.

                                                                                                                          I'll take stalling any day.

                                                                                                                    4. I didn't get the slow cooker lasagna recipe to my husband before he'd picked out something to make tonight. So we had this Slow Cooker Latin Chicken recipe he found instead:http://allrecipes.com/recipe/slow-coo...

                                                                                                                      He cut the recipe in half and used boneless skinless breast instead of the thighs the recipe called for. It was actually very tasty. We got four healthy portions out of the half recipe at 350 calories per portion. I had a corn tortilla with mine rather than rice.

                                                                                                                      I was surprised by how moist the chicken breast stayed doing this...and it shredded really easily. I'm going to cook chicken this way more often. I eat chicken breast but don't love it but think doing more in the slow cooker might help me enjoy it a bit more.

                                                                                                                      Anyway, the flavors were all good together. I'd definitely make this again.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                        Hmmm... I'm going to have to try that! I always need more things to do with chicken. Overall, it sounds a lot more healthful than lasagna with the beans and sweet potatoes and bell pepper... How did the cilantro hold up? Many slow cooker recipes have you add any fresh herbs at the end.

                                                                                                                        I did try the slow cooker lasagna...but omitted the red pepper flakes so it would be toddler-friendly. I might have well put them in because my child announced "I don't like lasaaaaaaaanaaaaa!" How does he even know what lasagna is? I don't think I've ever made it for him.

                                                                                                                        Anyway, I used cottage cheese instead of the ricotta--the lasagna never set up, so I think perhaps the cottage cheese was a mistake. I did shorten the cooking time to 2 1/2 hours as recommended by many in the comments. AND I used regular whole wheat noodles (not the non cook kind) and they were fine. I think you could do lots of variations on this to adapt it to your personal tastes.

                                                                                                                        What it needed was a few minutes under the broiler to get all toasty. It was pretty good but not amazing. But, I got a ton of things done while the lasagna was cooking, even left the house to run an errand, so that was the real payoff. And it sat nicely warm in the crock while my husband finished shoveling what seemed like acres of snow--took him almost two hours. So, it was the perfect dish for us for last night. I meant to add more vegetables and just sort of forgot.

                                                                                                                        This is a good recipe for when you're puttering around the house and want something warm and comforting, not the kind of dish you could toss in the slow cooker on your way out in the morning and leave all day.

                                                                                                                        Okay, but honestly, I probably won't make this often because I fear it will be a dish I'd overeat. First off, it's a little hard to portion out because it's an oval. And because it's really sloppy. So easy to cheat.

                                                                                                                        http://www.weightwatchers.com/food/rc...

                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                          We added the cilantro right before serving. Didn't even notice the recipe didn't indicate to do that.

                                                                                                                          I have to say this was quite healthful indeed...and excellent fuel. I had a great run this morning and my husband mentioned he felt great on his too. The beans, sweet potatoes and chicken breast seemed to be a perfect combo of protein and carbs.

                                                                                                                          Thanks for the feedback on the lasagna. I think we're goign to try it on Thursday. I can take the insert out of my crockpot so I might try sticking it under the broiler based on your feed back. I'll let you know how it turns out!

                                                                                                                          1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                            That's so great about the chicken dish, thank you! Good luck with the lasagna.

                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                                          2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                            So my DH made the lasagna today. We quite liked it! He made it with a spicy italian chicken sausage instead of the beef called for. He did use low fat ricotta. He used one cup of the mozzarella in the slow cooker. We didn't add the parmesan and all the mozzarella at the end.

                                                                                                                            When I portioned it up, I topped it with just a 1/4 oz more mozzarella and then stuck the individual portions under the broiler to brown the cheese and crisp the top.

                                                                                                                            We'll make this again and try some variations.

                                                                                                                        2. i love this! i dont need to lose weight but probably will if i don't start making some changes soon lol ( I ate nearly a whole french baguette by myself today that was stuffed in prosciutto and drowned in butter and gatorade even though that was all pretty much all i ate today my stomach is still rumbling with guilt... oh the life of a college student, lol). I do actually really love lean meats and fresh fruits and veggies, so I look forward to reading the recipes posted here and reading your success stories :)

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                                                                                                                          1. re: urfuturewifey

                                                                                                                            These threads are equally (if not more) about finding support from other foodies who share the second-by-second burden of serious food and health issues than sharing recipes.

                                                                                                                            All are welcome I'm sure, including yourself :)

                                                                                                                            But it's a probably a good idea, urfuturewifey, to keep the youthful glee of consequence-free indulgence a bit more contained on a thread such as this one. It could be interpreted in a way which you might not have intended.

                                                                                                                          2. I ate two glazed donuts, an eclair, and a big cinnamon roll this morning.

                                                                                                                            I just felt like I needed to tell someone. :( I had so much self control at first, but it's been slowly draining since August and I think it's finally all gone.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                              Just wondering, were you at home or at work?

                                                                                                                              1. re: fldhkybnva

                                                                                                                                In the truck on the way to work, and then work. I went to 7-11 to get a Monster to wake me up (waking up at 4AM is rough) and they had the box of donuts that didn't sell yesterday, and....

                                                                                                                                Normally I'm good when I'm at work, because I purposely don't bring things to tempt me. But I'm fragile first thing in the morning. I need to buy Monsters by the case and keep them in the fridge at the office so I don't have to stop.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                  I didn't want to pry but thought if you could figure out the trigger then that might help. It seems that you have and know that maybe stocking up on Monster might help. I totally understand that you need it. I wake up every morning at 430am and hit the gym. I keep anything I might need (e.g. diet coke, protein, etc) in the car or right by the front door so I don't have to detour.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                    Two glazed donuts, an eclair, and a big cinnamon roll is a self-sabotaging binge. :( Maybe you could ask your leader about a support group or counseling for self destructive behaviors to figure out WHY you're doing it and maybe learning some other coping mechanisms. Hang in there, there has to be an answer.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                      I didn't want to say it but my first thought was "why?"

                                                                                                                                    2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                      I sympathize with you, K. My motivation has also decreased, or rather been chipped away with all the temptations. I think the solutions posited here are good ones, but getting up so early is a bear. I'd be resentful and eating my feelings if it were me. I hate those early hours. You have to be prepared. That's as much as I know, and you have to look to the results you want and your goal to stay motivated. Tell you what -- I'll hang in there if you will!

                                                                                                                                      1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                        I apologize if I came of as unsympathetic. I totally understand K as we all have to fight these battles every day. Even though I don't follow an actual Weigh Watchers approach, the support is why I lurk around here.

                                                                                                                                  2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                    I get up very early also, Kontexsi. Usually between 430 and 5am. Even out here in the warmer desert, it's rough. I hate darkness and am programmed for sun(I have a much easier time getting up ni the summer).

                                                                                                                                    I have to have everything set up for myself as suggested here. I lay out all my work out clothes and a half a banana or some dates before I go to bed. I also pack up my breakfast for the next day and stick it in a bag in the fridge. I eat the banana/dates as soon as I'm dressed and before I start my run or work out. Afterwards, I jump in the shower, get dressed, grab my bkfst bag and go straight to work.

                                                                                                                                    I am surrounded by temptation all day at work, but when I get to campus I can just grab some coffee from the convenience store next to my office and head upstairs. This way I don't see any of the pastries our baker makes nor the waffes. pancakes and other stuff in the dining halls.

                                                                                                                                    It takes a while to get in the habit but once you are it will be a lot easier. Maybe trying to change the Monster habit altogether for somethign else to get your going in the morning?(I"m not a fan of any sort of sweet drink in general so forgive my bias in suggesting). Starting your day with a hit of protein and a good carb might help you both feel better throughout the morning and break the habit?

                                                                                                                                    1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                      The Monster is relatively new. I'm in the process of working on an official diagnosis that is likely going to be narcolepsy. I often fall asleep at stoplights, and even more often my desk. I don't think high-energy foods well be enough to keep that from happening. (It is sugar-free Monster at least! The regular stuff is nasty-sweet anyway.)

                                                                                                                                      I need to work on packing my lunch the night before. If I try to do it in the morning, I think "oh, I don't need lunch today!" or think I can just get away with a piece of fruit. If I know I've packed a satisfying lunch for the day, hopefully I'll be less likely to cave under donut pressure.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                        Do you also have a plan for a pack and go breakfast?

                                                                                                                                        And maybe you're not getting enough sleep? Years ago, in the middle of an orthopedic crisis, I had a difficult time sleeping, and I actually fell asleep at a stop light in the middle of Manhattan with my young son in the back seat! It wasn't until the car began rolling and someone beeped that I woke up. Sleep deprivation is a very difficult thing to deal with.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                          Actually, that's part of what's funny. For years, I had the hardest time sleeping. I would lay in bed for 2-4 (or even more!) hours before falling asleep, and if something woke me up, it took a while to get back.

                                                                                                                                          A year or so ago, that seemed to stop. If I'm not distracted, I'm usually asleep within 15 minutes of laying down. A year or so ago is when I started having issues falling asleep during the day, too. So it's all tied in somehow.... I'm going to the sleep specialist again in April, so hopefully that will get some answers.

                                                                                                                                          (I've haven't yet been asleep long enough for the light to change. They seem to be nod off and instantly wake back up scenarios. I hope I can get it figured out before it gets worse!)

                                                                                                                                          EDIT - RE: breakfast. I was getting out a portion of frozen fruit at night and putting it in the fridge to use for a smoothie the next morning. I ran out of fruit and then never restocked....

                                                                                                                                          When I first started and was doing pretty well, I was having a slice of whole wheat toast with 1 tbsp of Nutella and sliced banana, sometimes plus other fruit on the side. I seem to remember that being pretty filling, but having the Nutella in the house is almost as bad a temptation as the donuts!

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                            You know, I've read that people who have sleep issues (as I do--hey, look, I feel asleep early on the couch while watching tv and now I'm up posting at midnight!) struggle with their weight more. For me, I know that's true. One thing is that if I'm awake more hours, I'm eating more (boredom eating, I support). Also, when I'm up at midnight, I end up wanting to sleep in instead of exercising. And my energy (and willpower) is just sapped all day long. And of course, you lose whatever restorative benefits sleep has. :(

                                                                                                                                            Anyway, I really think preparation is the key here. Stock up and prepare whatever you can ahead of time.

                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                              I definitely have more self control issues when I haven't gotten as much sleep.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                          Perhaps you can prep on the weekend and have a few lunches and breakfasts ready and then do another prep mid-week.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                            Goodness! Stay safe! I hope the doctors get you answers soon.

                                                                                                                                            I wish you lived out here...our meeting leader is the very best and I'd love for you to meet her and come to our meeting. we have such a great group and so so so supportive. Everyone's "baggage" is out there at this point and it's so helpful and motivating to be with other people who get that it's not always so easy to pick the broccoli over the donut.

                                                                                                                                            Hang in there and don't give up. we're all on your side!

                                                                                                                                            1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                              I've never been good at groups. I have a really hard time sharing things with the ladies at my meeting, so I know I'm not get as much out of it as I could. I think that's why I come here. I spent most of my teenage years on Star Wars message boards, so it's a natural, comfortable territory for me.... It's easier to share with y'all than talk to real people! :p

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                We refer to our FB and CH friends as our imaginary friends. :)

                                                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                  I never had an imaginary friend - interesting :) I only met one CHer in person so far and it was more enjoyable than on-line interaction.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                    Some of my best friends are my imaginary (CH) friends!

                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                    My internet friends are just "friends" and physical friends were always "friends IRL". (In real life; I don't see that one often anymore so I'm not sure if people still know it.)

                                                                                                                                                    It's actually incredible how wrapped up I was in that stuff. I still talk to those people more than the kids I went to high school with.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                      My SO started up a message board when he was 13 for Teens with Crohn's Disease. He's 30 now and is still really good friends with a few of them. After he graduated high school him and one of the kids who lived nearby took a roadtrip to Texas, picked up another guy, and then drove to Tennesee to visit another person from the board. So I don't think it's unusual at all!

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                      I completely feel like my fellow CH are my friends. Especially you guys on the WFD thread.

                                                                                                                                            2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                              I've been there (I'm sure we all have). I have a similar problem with lack of willpower when I'm really, really tired. Worse when it's dark, worse when it's cold.

                                                                                                                                              Lots of great ideas have been suggested already, but one thing I like to keep in mind when I've made a poor choice is keep it in perspective: it is one poor choice. Don't make it bigger than it is by tying it into all of the poor choices you've made in the past (since August). Just because you had a donut for breakfast, doesn't prevent you from making a good choice for lunch, or snack, and every meal thereafter. Don't let one lapse guide all of your future choices. Dust yourself off and get back on plan.

                                                                                                                                              Also, can you work in a few more activity points today and for the next few days? You can actually "undo" your donut a little. Do you have any WPA's left? If so, go ahead and let those WPAs and APs erase a little bit of your donut.

                                                                                                                                              Also, make sure you write it down. It's a way of regaining control.

                                                                                                                                              Try to be good to yourself, instead of beating up on yourself tonight. And you know, stop by the grocery store on your way home and pick up some Monster!

                                                                                                                                              Also, maybe you need to do something tonight to feel good about yourself. Maybe something that will help you kickstart having some more energy. For instance, maybe I will swing by Whole Foods salad bar tonight on my way home and buy something delicious and supportive. Or, go out for sashimi and have a bit of miso soup! Even if it's a splurge, now is the time to treat yourself kindly the same way you'd be kind (but firm!) to any one of us who made a bad choice.

                                                                                                                                              Hang in there!

                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                What is Monster, exactly? That's the part I don't get!

                                                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                  I assume it's an energy drink?

                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                    Don't know! I thought it might be some sort of large coffee concoction!

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                      Yes, one of them has coffee, I think. I've never had one. I'm a bit of a jittery nutjob as it is. I don't think something called Monster is going to improve my disposition any. :)

                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                      It's an energy drink. Like Red Bull, different brand.

                                                                                                                                                    3. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                      This, I think: http://www.monsterenergy.com/us/en/pr...

                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                        Ohhhh. I'd say say away from those, first thing! Now coffee is something I can get behind. I really look forward to that first cup in the morning.

                                                                                                                                                    4. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                      Great words, TDQ!

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                        "it is one poor choice" this is true - we are not what we eat, sometimes have to move on and try to make a better choice the next time and hope that we enjoyed our transgression at least.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                          Kroger had Monsters (slightly) on sale, so I grabbed a few while I was in there. (I wish I'd stocked up when they were $0.99!)

                                                                                                                                                          I tend to use up all of my WPA over the weekend. Work is a pretty controlled environment for me, but when I'm home all day (especially home ALONE), I tend to snack away my extra points. I am home Friday-Sunday, and 49 points goes fast! (TL;DR - no, I'm out of extra points.)

                                                                                                                                                          Activity points - You know, I get anywhere from 8-20 in a week, but I never pay attention to them. I guess I should make a point to apply them when I make mistakes like that, to help ease the pain a little.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                            Well done, stocking up!

                                                                                                                                                            Your strategy re: WPA's makes perfect sense! The weekend is when I tend to use mine, too. As far as not applying AP's, definitely use them! That's what they are there for!

                                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                          Kontxesi, I've been really struggling with the same things, since about the same time as you. I've gained 7-9lbs at least. I don't really know why I'm doing it, other than the food tastes good and I want to eat eat eat.

                                                                                                                                                          I have tried to go back in my tracker to a year ago or so, and see what I was eating then. One thing I did starting last week was go back to my old breakfast of a chopped up apple, greek yogurt, cinnamon, and granola. I also wait to eat it when I get to work. Before I was eating just a protein bar in the car on the way to work, and I'd be famished by about 10:30 and fall victim to all the snacks and treats around the office. The calorie difference isn't that much (maybe 50 calories more for the apple breakfast?), but it keeps me full for way longer and is more satisfying. So far it's helping at least during the workday. Now when I get home and start snacking between arrival and dinner time, that's what I'm still working on....

                                                                                                                                                          So, just know you're not alone. I'm working on it, but it's still a struggle every day.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                            Julie - I'm in the same boat. I've put on 7-10 pounds and my clothes just isn't fitting as comfortably. I've decided that I'm going to eat sensibly for the next week, enjoy myself in Madrid the following week, and then go hard core after that.

                                                                                                                                                            I've always allowed myself to splurge a bit, but the splurging has gotten out of hand. Where I used to be 90/10 (90% good, 10% bad), I've been more like 50/50 now, and it shows.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ludmilasdaughter

                                                                                                                                                              Same here... I usually splurged more on weekends but did pretty darn good during the week. Now, it's crept into my weekdays and that's what has been doing me in for sure.

                                                                                                                                                        3. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014...

                                                                                                                                                          is anybody else contemplating the switch to full fat dairy?

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                            That's all we eat. No low fat anything in this house, only organic full fat. Fat is not evil (but the stuff manufacturers put in low fat foods to mimic the mouthfeel/ texture of fat sure is!)

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                              I just have skim cuz it satisfies my milk cravings just as well as 1 or 2% - but for less points.

                                                                                                                                                              No good?!

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                                I don't tolerate dairy well so stick with the skim and 2% for what I do eat(mostly cottage cheese, yogurt, or ricotta). I cook with almond milk and use it in my earl grey and smoothies. For cheese i eat mostly feta(sheep's milk) and goat cheese. I'll eat parmesan and romano in small quantities too but never enough to bother my system.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                                  I doubt I will be switching from 1% to whole milk, but I did grab regular Greek yogurt at the store last night. (I MIGHT have gotten low-fat if it had been available, but when I'm presented with non-fat for regular, I'll be going with regular.)

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                                    I don't drink milk but the only non-full fat dairy item I eat is greek yogurt because I like the thinner consistency for my yogurt "parfait" breakfasts. The rest (cheeses etc) are all full fat.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                                      I already only eat real cheese- usually as an accent. (micro plane makes 3pts of parmaesan look like a mountain). Have just bought a bottle of whole milk to use on my tea/oatmeal in the morning. Low fat plain yogurt has same pts as full fat, so I imagine I might switch to full fat soon.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                                        It's an interesting question for sure. I've been thinking about this a lot, especially as it relates to anything I might feed my toddler, such as the quinoa hotdish I made this morning or the slow cooker lasagna I made on Monday. I never go nonfat on those shared dishes, but I've actually been thinking I should just go full-fat, use whole dairy in moderation, and count points. On the other hand, my toddler refused the lasagna and will probably refuse the hotdish...

                                                                                                                                                                        The adults in my household have been drinking skim milk for years. It's a long tradition in dairy farming families, for which the skim milk was a genuine waste product, and I don't really think it's that evil. It is different than nonfat yogurt which has all kinds of stablizers and such.

                                                                                                                                                                        All other dairy in my house is low fat or full fat. I count points for full fat and, I'm embarrassed to admit ,that I abuse the plan a little when it comes to lowfat dairy. Because I follow simply filling technique, nonfat dairy is a no-count for me. What I do on low-fat dairy is count the difference in points between the low-fat and the nonfat. I don't really see myself abusing low-fat dairy so I don't have a problem abusing the rules a little (though, it's a practice I may have to give up when I get closer to goal when these sorts of subtle details really can keep you from losing.)

                                                                                                                                                                        Whole dairy, on the other hand, I count full points for because I can totally seeing myself abuse it.

                                                                                                                                                                        Now, am I willing to have more of my daily points be allocated to dairy, especially since two servings of dairy are mandated by the GHG? Hmmm...I don't know.

                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                          I think what you're doing with the low-fat points calculation is reasonable. I'd probably do the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: relizabeth

                                                                                                                                                                          Interesting articles and thank you for sharing. I do not like milk and never drink it. I make kefir usually using organic 2% milk and drink about 6oz of it almost every day. I have 10% cream in my coffee - usually one mug in the morning and some times another one late morning but not often. And I love cheese but only real kind = full fat :) My daughter who is raising two small children only feeds one of them them dairy (full fat) and recently sourced raw milk - not sure what products she gets aside from kefir that she mentioned. I am trying to get a "cow share" that would allow me to buy farm fresh milk for my kefir.

                                                                                                                                                                        3. Despite the donut debacle, I'm down 1.4. That's for two weeks, since we got snowed out last week.

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                            Hey, congrats! I'm kind of dreading tomorrow, which will be 2 weeks since my last weigh-in, and have been on program only intermittently.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                              Must be all of those AP's you never count. :) Seriously, though, what a wonderful outcome. You must be so relieved!

                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                Good job!
                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for your honesty here too. It's very refreshing.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                  Haha, nice work!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                    Great! It just goes to show you that you gotta stick with it, even after a bad day. Even with slip ups, you are doing better than you think!

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Well, as I suspected, the news was not good -- up over 3 pounds in the 2 weeks I wasn't there. It was a very stressful weekend with my husband and son away at a tournament in which I had a gnawing feeling that my son would not do well at -- and I was right. And just before they left, my husband handed me a gorgeous box of Belgian Godiva chocolates, which I managed to scarf down most of during my very nervous weekend. The scale is definitely going in the wrong direction, and I absolutely must get back to tracking everything. Somehow, I never managed to track the Godivas, or the burger I made myself, or the Chinese food I ordered in. You get the picture, but it's nobody's fault but my own. Starting fresh!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                      One thing I like best about weight loss is once you decide enough is enough you can pretty much turn everything around instantly. You won’t lose it all instantly, but you will stop gaining instantly and start losing instantly.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Just say: “Enough is enough, I’m ready to turn it all around on a dime immediately.” And you will!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes. Tracking is the key for me because it helps me stay within my points.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                          Tracking is everything.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I couldn't imagine not tracking. It's the essence of WW. I pre-track everything I eat and even track my water. Plan my days out each morning. In fact usually think about what I’ll be eating the day before.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Don't get me wrong there are some days where I say eff it, I'm eating what I want and not tracking. But those days are most certainly the exception and not the rule. I track religiously. To me it's the whole point of WW.

                                                                                                                                                                                          You've done it before, you can certainly turn it around again! I’m not worried. Just start fresh, you can turn it all around on a dime if you keep to your allotments.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                            Great thought, magic! And so true.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Tracking is really key for me, too, roxlet. If i don't track everythign comes off the rails. At least when I'm tracking I know where I've misstepped...and going back to magic's thoughts can instantly take control and offset once I decide the time has come.

                                                                                                                                                                                            For me, that's right about now after my morning of an drive through Egg McMuffin and two warm peanut butter cookies stolen on a pass through the bakery! At least the cookies were really tasty! (the egg mcmuffin not as much but I forgot to grab some eggs or a kind bar on the way out of the house and had to drive to one of the campuses on the other side of town....poor planning always ends up with poor choices!)

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                              Like magic, I track everything BEFORE I even make it. The cold hard reality often smacks me in the face and gives me the opportunity to NOT move forward with a meal that is not a good decision for me and zero opportunity to regret something I ate. (Its especially important since I low carb and macro percentages are ultra important.) I have had weeks where I have maintained (and knew I would,) but not a single gain and I credit it to pretracking. I believe I owe the idea to juliejulez so thank you Julie.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe give it a try and see if it works for you, roxlet.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, pre-tracking is just a given. Can't see how tracking would work if I did it after the fact. Perhaps track as you go? But even then I'd likely run in to trouble.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Pre-track. Pre-plan. Weigh/measure food and drinks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I generally track as I eat right after each meal these days. I started out pre tracking and planning the whole day but now I have a general feel for how many points/calories I want to eat at each meal and what the things I typically eat are so on most routine days this works.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I do pre-track when I know there is a special event coming or a big dinner out so that I can budget the rest of the day(and possibly the day after) to account for what splurges might be involved. It also helps me not over indulge during a special event as I've mentally committed ahead of time to what I plan to eat and what indulgences I'll choose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh to each their own! Everyone has their own systems that work for them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've been on WW for 1 year and pre-tracked since day one as it's simply in my nature to do that. And it's worked great for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Also, MEASURE everything that needs to be measured when at home. My scale, measuring cups and spoons are my best friends and I know I would not have lost the weight I have had I not measured.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                                                                                  You're welcome! I do so much better when I pre-track.... I usually leave 150-200 calories in my day for the last minute snacks and stuff that I don't pre-track but all the big meals get built out and tracked ahead of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                              I keep telling myself "this week I'm going to start tracking again" and then I don't. I'm in that boat with you.

                                                                                                                                                                                              My mom likes to stop at Arby's on the way home from meetings, and I've started scarfing down two sandwiches and some curly fries before I even make it home. Well, this time? I'm at least going to track them. And maybe next week I won't eat any.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe you could suggest a healthier alternative to Arby's?
                                                                                                                                                                                                Since you are making this effort together, perhaps you could challenge her to join you in a better dinner choice. Fast food after a weight watchers meeting just doesn't add up to me, and seems like self-sabotage.
                                                                                                                                                                                                It doesn't have to be a lettuce and water type meal, but something you can feel good about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: rabaja

                                                                                                                                                                                                  She manages to keep herself under control and only eats one sandwich every time. (She goes on Wednesday because that's when they are 5 for $5.95.... She's very stingy and won't pay full price, but loves Arby's!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyway, the problem is mine. I ride with her to save gas, and she likes to stop at Arby's on the way home. I just need to be able to not get anything for myself and wait until I get home to cook dinner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                    K, maybe you bring something tasty with you and eat that on the drive home? Not necessarily virtuous but not as evil at Arby's sandwich :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW, high five to you for car pooling - so many benefits not only to you but to the society; wish many more people are that considerate. I take a bus to work because I feel very bad about being the only one in a car using up gas, polluting, etc. just because it is convenient. OK, I am off my horse now :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                      No worries, I'm with you! I also carpool with my fiance to work. Luckily my work schedule is pretty flexible, so I'm able to make my office job match his terrible construction hours.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wish I lived in town so that I could take public transit, or even bike to work. If I could bike, I wouldn't have issues with Arby's! ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Great to hear! I would love to start biking once the weather warms up. I live near the river and there is a beautiful bike path along that I could take part way to work. The problem is not only the absence of a bike but mainly the fact that I have not been on one in more years that I care to count :) Maybe I will be brave and give it a go once the spring is here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I haven't been on one in a while, either. Our neighborhood is rather hilly and I think if I tried to start now, I'd get overwhelmed and quit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          And while the closest grocery store is only two or three miles away, the road I'd have to take has NO shoulders and would be seriously nerve-wracking to bike. It's unfortunate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe you could find some other way to bike? Are there any bike paths or trails where you live?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            EDA: Could you bike on campus?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I totally get the treat after the meeting thign. We often go out to and make it a date night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, your mom's treat is Arby's and if it fits in plan that's OK. You can make it work too! You can! The sandwiches themselves probably aren't super high in points are they?( I actually have never been to an Arby's but like at other fast food places there's probably a basic sandwich you can order that isn't 30+ points).

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Incorporate a salad, or my favorite low point filling quick thing to eat a nuked bowl of frozen broccoli when you get home to fill it out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      As for carpooling, biking and public transportation...hats off to both of you! Ironically I work as a Sustainability Manager for a major corporation...at a University that is one of the biggest institutions for sustainability in the world...and...I drive solo daily. Drives me crazy. I put three times the mileage on my car annually than I did 5 years ago. But...I live 18 miles from campus and public transportation woudl take me over two hours to get here. I've tried to find a carpool from my neighborhood without success...I'm still hopign to turn someone up! (Actually someone in my WW meeting works here too but iwth very different hours unfortunately...!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, as for sustainability...it's a very holistic concept and personal health and well-being are a big part of the complex systems we need to manager for our future generations. So with your WW and your transportation choices...kudos! your great great grandchildren will thank you! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                                                                                        9 points per sandwich, 11 points (!) for the small fries. So 29 points for what I ate in the span of... 10 minutes probably.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I could make it fit in, but... I mean, honestly? Yeah, it's okay. I like the fries. But the sandwiches are never as good as I want them to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        We used to make a little date night out of it, too. If I was down, we would go out. If I wasn't, we went home. But now we go home and then I come back in with my mom, because he doesn't like to wait the two hours between getting off work and the meeting (which I totally understand). I miss those reward nights, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe just have one sandwich instead? I love Arby's fries so I definitely wouldn't give those up :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Love Arby's. Very few of them in my city now :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                            So it's a real treat to get some Arby's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think post-meeting treat is actually the BEST time strategically for a treat! You've got a whole week to burn that sucker off!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you're focused throughout the week that treat won't have a chance to register on a weigh-in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree. I weigh in right before lunch and I definitely splurge after the weigh in. But it's a meal, not the whole rest of the week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: valerie

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Exactly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Hey, all. Believe it or not, I take credit for starting these threads way back in the day-of course, I immediately fell off the wagon and now am at my highest weight for any time I wasn't pregnant. So, here's to feeling motivated! It helps that it's starting to stay light longer so I don't want to just hibernate after work. Went to my first ever meeting today-I've always tried online before-and am going to take a stab at the simple start.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  About to head to the grocery store to stock up on some healthy choices. I really need help with breakfast-I don't like eggs unless they have have a ton of things added that make them not taste like eggs-and not a huge fan of yogurt or hot cereal. Ideas?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Welcome back. Of course I remember your first thread. You were about to embark on a vacation?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyway, I'm going back to meetings, too, starting...tomorrow. I've registered for it and everything. Congrats on getting to a meeting. What did you think of it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just FYI, in case you didn't know, can go to as many meetings a week as you want, for no charge after the first one. I don't know why a person might need to go to multiple meetings (you only get to weigh in and get materials once),but, you never know.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    No eggs, no yogurt, no cereal. Hmmm...those are my staples!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    EDITED: oh! I see you're doing simple start.That should be all power foods, so I'm editing out some of my ideas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    How about a smoothie (you can make it with nf milk, silken tofu, and fruit or vegetables to avoid the yogurt)? A tofu and vegetable scramble on a lite English muffin? Smoked salmon on "lite" English muffin? FF cottage cheese with fruit? These would all fit SS, I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe I should ask, what do you like to eat for breakfast (and we can maybe find something plan-friendly along those lines?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK, I know you don't like yogurt or hot cereal but (trying to keep my suggestions in line with "simple start"--I do simply filling technique (SFT), so I'm pretty good with power foods though I believe simple start is even MORE limited than SFT, so I'm not 100% which of the power foods are excluded from SS. I guess I'll find out tomorrow at my meeting), but how about Jillian Michael's "breakfast in a bowl"? Use cottage cheese in place of yogurt? It's a very flexible recipe so you can sub in and out for the dairy components in various ways. The steel cut oats come out distinct and chewy. t's kind of neat. I always add some fruit--usually berries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You must make it an evening ahead, though, and count points for the almonds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.food.com/recipe/breakfast-...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm supposed to be doing Simple Start but the first meal I made last night drifted to Simply Filling. Simple Start is really limited IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I often do a half sandwich-whole wheat PB and J-on the run for breakfast. Like banana PB smoothies, bacon and scones :)....I see some pancake recipes on Simply Filling. My favorite low cal breakfast is toasted sandwich thins, each spread with with half of a wedge of Laughing Cow light, with sliced radish and some lettuce. I'll look at smoothie recipes more closely.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                          As far as I can tell, simple start and simply filling are the same, except that with SFT you can use your 49 WPA's at any point during the week. With SS, you can't use more than 7 per day and whatever you don't use that day, you lose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          So, if you want to do whole wheat PB&J on simple start you'll:
                                                                                                                                                                                                          -need to use the "light" bread (or "light" english muffin or whatever "light" bread you want that is listed as a power food)--you don't have to count points for this on SS/SFT
                                                                                                                                                                                                          -count points for the PB
                                                                                                                                                                                                          -count points for the J. Can you mash up some berries instead of the jelly?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you did a banana PB bacon smoothie, you could probably do that as long as you used all non-fat dairy or tofu (I'd use silken), you wouldn't have to count points for that. Banana, no problem, you wouldn't count points. Ice is a good bulker-upper, and, obviously, no points. The PB you'd have to count points for.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bacon, sorry, it's very pointy. But maybe you could make some bacon crumbles or something and keep them in your freezer (do you have the willpower for that? I don't.) You'd still have to count points but it might be a way for you to get some of the satisfaction and still stay on plan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll look through my cookbooks and see if they have any SS/SFT-friendly scone recipes. They would probably have to be made of a whole grain, like quinoa, to be SS/SFT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Regarding your fav low cal breakfast, good news, I think it's a great choice for SS. You'll have to count points for the laughing cow light, but those aren't too pointy. If you use the"light" sandwich thins, you'll be in fine shape as you don't have to count that on SS/SFT as those are "power foods."

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Since you're only allowed 7 points per day to use towards non-power foods on Simple Start, you'll need to be very judicious with your points. That is, you'll really want to stick with power foods nearly all the time and stray very thoughtfully and judiciously. Really, you'll need to have that power foods list almost memorized. At least keep a copy handy in your purse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          And, yes, it's pretty darn restrictive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Once you're done with your two weeks of SS, SFT is similarly restrictive, but once you get the hang of it, it's not bad. With SFT, most of time you eat only power foods and you can you use your 49 points whenever you want to indulge (this is SFT, not SS. Remember with SS you only get 7 points per day.). Add in your activity points and you're really doing pretty well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've flipped through my 7 new WW cookbooks and I've noticed they are really, really pushing power foods for everyone, even those tracking points and not following SFT. This is so, so, so much more supportive than back in the days when it was just core and flex plans, two different plans, and it seemed like none of the recipes in the cookbooks were very "core plan" friendly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                            OK, I looked in my new cookbooks (all 8 of them) and there are (predictably) no scone recipes that are "pointless" if you're following SS or SFT. However, there are some 4 & 5 point recipes, if that's really how you want to allocated some of the 7 daily points you're allowed on SS to indulge in non-power foods.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            From "I heart leftovers":
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cranberry pumpkin scones, 4 points
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Raisin oat scones, 4 points

                                                                                                                                                                                                            From "Good Deal":
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cranberry maple scones, 5 points

                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you want me to paraphrase these for you let me know, although I'd probably first try to google on them to see if they are out there already.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                              girlwonder, I can't explain why I'm awake at 4am, but apropos to how limited SS and SFT are, I suddenly remembered that I wanted to remind you that you can switch between SFT and tracking points a day at a time. So, if you have one day where you just can't deal with eating all power foods because you need more variety or maybe you know you're going to dinner or some event with friends, you can always switch to tracking points for the day. You still track against the same WPA for the week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                              This is likely of no consequence to anyone, but you never know who might happen along and rely on this information, but I just realized that even though cooked SCO's are a power food, uncooked SCO's are not, for the same reason grapes are and raisins are not. I hope I haven't misled anyone...

                                                                                                                                                                                                              So, if you want this dish, count points for it. It's still a good breakfast on the go...especially in summer. And one you can (must, actually) make-ahead.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I like a slice of whole wheat toast with Nutella and banana on it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sincere question, is there a significant amount (relative to, say, almond butter) of protein in Nutella? I mean, it is a hazelnut spread...

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't have any sitting in my house right this second, so I couldn't tell you. I would think that is has less protein than either peanut or almond butter, but it should be a decent source.... Right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Because I'm a freak that way, I looked it up on calorie king. A TBSP of nutella has about the same number of calories as a TBSP of almond butter, but the almond butter has about 3 times the amount of protein. The almond butter has a little bit more fat and a higher percentage of calories from fat as the nutella, but I'm guessing that that's because nutella gets a fair amount of its calories from sugar.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calo...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calo...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You could do half and half, almond butter and nutella, if you wanted to boost the protein and healthy fat content, but still have a little indulgence.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                              On days that I have breakfast at home, I often have 2 slices of WW whole wheat bread (2 points), toasted, with Laughing Cow light cheese (2 wedges is only 1 point), and a slice of tomato on each piece of toast. I like to keep it low at breakfast and for 3 points, it's actually pretty filling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I am not a huge yogurt fan either but I found that I really like the Chobani Bites (2 points), coffee with dark chocolate chips flavor, since it's not very yogurt-y if that makes sense. I mix it with Fiber One chocolate cereal (2 points) and a banana and it's almost like a coffee-chocolate-banana parfait. I usually eat this on days that I go to my office.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.chobani.com/products/bite#...

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: valerie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I didn't see this before my note above...you're a woman after my own heart, Valerie. I'll try the yogurt you recommend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                To make things even tougher, I'm not a fan of artificial sweeteners either (common on this board, not so common in WW land....). Picked up some Stevia and Agave yesterday, after reading that they tasted the least artificial.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agave is not a low-calorie sweetener, just a heads up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gorgeous sharp cheddar melted open face in a toaster oven on a WW flatbread round, English muffin or something similar. Some Reggiano grated on top with a bit of salt and some pepper.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                A cut up bird's eye chili for heat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                6 points and sinfully good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                (3 points cheese/3 points flatbread)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What about egg whites? They have no taste, just fluff, but bind things nicely together :) Frittata of anything you like - veggies (roasted or sautéed), boiled potatoes, a bit of meat, etc. heated up in a pan, egg whites poured over, maybe a sprinkle of cheese and under the broiler. Serve with a piece of toast for a warm and filling breakfast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also have a recipe somewhere for an awesome smoothie which is not milky and very filling. I'll post when I find it - need to start making it for myself asap! Things are not going well here in the weight loss department....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    girlwonder88, I don't like eggs or yogurt by itself either. But, I do like a cut up apple mixed with about a half cup of greek yogurt mixed with a bit of granola (1/3 cup of Cascadian Farms) and some cinnamon. It's a filling breakfast for me and is under 300 calories (not sure what it would be points wise) The yogurt doesn't seem so yogurty when it's mixed with the other things. I use 0% Fage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      These are all fabulous ideas, folks! Thanks so much...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. OK, the Governor Dayton has declared an emergency order due to all of the snow. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/02... He doesn't mean don't go to your weight watchers meeting, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK, I'm back! Not so bad about there on the roads snow-wise--all the roads between me and WW have been plowed-- except that it's too cold for any of the de-icing chemicals to work, so the roads are pretty slippery. They simply cannot get down to bare pavement right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So, I think I freaked the staff out as I bought the kit and every cookbook they had out. The kit comes with a coupon for a free points calculator, so I got that, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Each cookbook has at least a few slow-cooker recipes, which I think I need right now with my crazy-busy life and with this brutal cold weather. If I can do a slow cooker recipe or two a week, I think I can deal with the rest. Also, every book has a good number of simple start recipes, which is what I need right now because I follow simply filling technique (instead of tracking points). [FYI, simple start is the same as simply filling, except that on SS you are only allowed 7 points per day to use towards non, power foods whereas on SFT you get 49 to use however you want throughout the week].

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm hoping there is a decent intersection of slow cooker+simple start recipes, but that's doubtful. I didn't really have the time to spend to figure it out there. I'll flip through the books and see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway, I'm officially back on plan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think I'm trying this slow cooked jerk pork with caribbean salsa today: http://www.skinnytaste.com/2013/02/sl...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Most the ingredients seem to fit the Simply Filling model....thoughts? Has anyone tried it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've haven't tried it, but it looks delicious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You'll have to count points for the OJ. But what if you just threw a bunch of oranges in there rather than juicing them? Then you get the beneficial fiber that makes an orange a power food and orange juice, not. And then you won't have to count the points. It will disintegrate in the slow cooker anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You'll have to count points for the avocado, but avocado is actually very healthful (and better for you than, say, counting points for sugar). In fact, avocado used to be a core food and I'm embarrassed to admit that if I only have a little, I don't count points. I'm not saying you should do that, but I sometimes do. But, then again, perhaps that's the sort of behavior that forces me to gain weight and need to get back on plan. I think when avocado was a core food, people abused it majorly, turning it into faux chocolate pudding and such, and overate it. Anything, no matter how healthful, is likely to be stripped from the power foods list if it's something people tend to abuse...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not an expert on cuts of meat, but I think pork shoulder blade roast is NOT a power food and you're going to have to count points. (This is per page 36 of the green WW "pocketguide.") Here are the cuts of pork that you might consider substituting (all must be trimmed, of course): center loin, sirloin, tenderloin, and top loin.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Dairy Queen, you are amazing! I actually picked a pork loin instead of the roast, so I should be good there. I don't have oranges on hand, but only 1/2 a cup of juice split into at least ten servings should be fine (my loin is four pounds, so I'll get more servings out of it). Same with the avocado...one divided up that much shouldn't be bad. Figure I'll serve with brown rice...I'll report back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The two recipes you list below sound fabulous! And really, I think I'm just gonna do my two weeks on Simply Filling rather than Simple Start...it works better for how I cook, and I like the exercise incentive that being able to count my activity points gives me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Next week, two nights away from town traveling. I always eat the worst then....will need to make a plan ahead of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Awesome! Sounds like you know what works for you and really, that's half the struggle. Please do report back on how you liked it! And great job on choosing the loin. SFT/SS is workable if you can find a few "indulgences" you need to count points for, but if you end up having to count points for too many things, and you find yourself doing that frequently, you're probably better just tracking points.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway, good job! I hope it's delicious!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: girlwonder88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            OK, here are some similar'ish recipes that are SS-friendly from the WW books I just bought:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Slow Cooker Rosemary-Orange Pork and Vegetable Stew (from "Good Deal" Cookbook)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Slow Cooker Latin-Style Pork with Cumin, Garlic& Oregano (from "I heart Leftovers")

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can paraphrase if you'd like, although, I'd google them first because there are a ton of WW bloggers out there. If

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Does anyone have these WW gadgets and can comment on them?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Salad solutions to go (which is the salad bowl with the ice pack and dressing cup)-- does it leak? Is it an inconvenient shape?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Salad dressing cruet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have the salad dressing cruet (it has recipes printed on it), and I like it because it measures a precise amount of dressing. People in my group also use it to measure out the milk in their coffee.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Ok, I know all of this isn't "real" but I hopped on my scale this morning and I'm 8.2 pounds down from the last time I weighed myself (which was one morning last week. Thursday I think?) and more than 5 pounds down from when I I weighed in on Saturday (which, to be honest, I was disappointed by).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As I said, I know it's not all "real" weight loss (as I only got back on plan about mid-day of Sunday of last week)...so a lot of it is surely water weight, and time of day and clothing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My husband asked me last night if I'd lost any weight (my dear husband who made up a batch of plan-friendly spaghetti last night with ground bison and whole wheat pasta, and then popped up a giant batch of popcorn in healthy fats for me to take as snacks--which I promptly knocked to the floor while rushing to get out the door this morning... :( ) and I said I didn't know, but I could swear my face already looks thinner. (Which just reinforces for me that a lot of it was water weight.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Doesn't matter. I"ll take it as long as the scale keeps moving DOWN.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've picked three recipes from my new cookbooks to try this week. We'll see how it goes. I already ran out of time this morning to do the crock pot one I'd earmarked for today. It doesn't matter how much preparation I do for the week, Mondays are just too crazy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's wonderful. It's very inspiring when that happens! I avoid my home scale since in the past I was too affected by the daily ups and downs. Now, I prefer to wait until Thursday morning to get the the good or bad news. I always wear more or less the same clothes, and I generally eat my breakfast after the meeting. Some superstitions die hard!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Agreed, I never use a home scale. Only the WW one at meeting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I also dress in the same attire for weigh-in every time: socks (no shoes), shorts, t-shirt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have my weigh in clothes too. Same khaki shorts, same light blue tshirt. I was a bit cold in Dec and Jan. LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wish we weighed in in the morning, I hate weighing in the evening. But I really like our meeting so won't change to a different one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ziggylu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, I must add that, like you, my the clothes that I wear at weigh-in are ususally the exact same. And if not the exact same, the same style and approximate weight as every other week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I weigh in at the end of day. Around 7:15pm. As long as I'm consistent about that it doesn't bother me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I had a colleague on WW a number of years ago (it was very successful for her, I might add). She was a bit short-tempered anyway, and her staff started referring to one particular dress as her "mean outfit". It was a very light dress, and I guess that she wore on her weigh in days, when she probably ate less than she should.. which made her very grumpy!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: rstuart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I love it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My leader said that there was a woman who used to strip down to a bathing suit for her weigh ins! When I say "more or less the same clothes," I mean that I try to wear the lightest clothing I own of a season, and then stick with those clothes through the season. I think that I should be more worried about what I put in my mouth the week before my meeting, however, than what I am wearing to my meeting, if you know what I mean!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I very much worry about both ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow, there's a woman with no body image issues whatsoever. I wish I had that kind of courage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ditto! For a long time I wondered about the clothes that people wore to the meetings -- they looked so old and crappy. Then I realized that they were just wearing the same clothing, week, after week -- for years! For me, I feel better, whether I've lost weight or not, if I make a little effort to look presentable at my meeting. No one cares but me, but generally I never leave the house without a swipe of lipstick and decent clothes on. I don't feel so much like a suburban hag if I make the effort.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          HAHAHA! Your last sentence made me laugh.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Actually, I'm sure the people at my meeting are absolutely lovely, but except for one woman, who I think was there with her mom (and good for them for supporting each other!), I'm pretty sure I was the youngest person in the room. Now, you might think that would make me feel vibrant and young, but instead it just depressed me. Another reason I haven't decided whether I'm going to stick with meetings or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I might be the youngest person at my meeting, too. There's another girl who MIGHT be younger than me, but most of my group is 30+, with a good chunk of that more like 45+. I don't talk much in the meetings.... I'm not sure if that has something to do with it, or if I would be just as withdrawn with a younger group.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you have the option, sometimes it can help to find another meeting where the vibe is more to your liking. I've never been to a meeting that I've gotten nothing out of, but there have definitely been groups and leaders I enjoyed more and felt more in touch with.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Whatever works for you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wouldn't say I'm not getting anything out of it.... I'm just painfully shy and am not good at group activities. I'll pipe up with a comment maybe once a month, but other than that I just listen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My group is pretty old as well (with the exception of a couple of new mothers), but that doesn't depress me at all. There's this one woman, who must be looking at 80, who lost 100 pounds a couple of years ago. You'd think that at that point, your biggest concern might be for the people who will be carrying your casket, but she did it about 5 years ago, old age be damned. Because of her, I never feel like, "Ugh! I'm too old to care or bother." I'm not there looking to make friends; I'm there to keep motivated. Besides, I think that having that appointment helps keep me on track. I can't put off my weigh in like I would do when I was doing the on line version a couple of years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh my gosh, that killed me. I'd never thought about it that way....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm feeling a little sensitive about my age right now...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What's the option? Getting older is a gift!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So true, of course. But, I'd like to get older more gracefully, which is why I decided to join WW again. I'll have to admit, my weight loss efforts are part of a bigger goal I have to really focus on my health. I'm not only trying to focus more on eating more healthfully for weight loss, I'm trying to focus more on eating more healthfully for good health. Obviously, maintaining a healthy weight is important to good health, but there are other things, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So, I've been doing some research on healthy foods and have identified about 15 that get mentioned over and over again. You all know them, I'm sure, broccoli, spinach (and kale and other leafy greens), colorful peppers, blueberries, wild salmon, nuts (especially walnuts, almonds and pistachios), beans, sweet potatoes, yogurt, apples and quinoa.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I actually went through my zillions of new WW cookbooks last night and flagged all of the SFT recipes that featured one of the above ingredients, with the plan being that by the time I reach my goal weight, I should really have made geniune commitment to a healthy lifestyle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There are other changes I'd like to make, too (exercise), but those are the food ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, you're nothing if not thorough! Good for you. Being methodical about the process is really beneficial.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm kind of an all or nothing person. It's not really a good quality, but it does come in handy on occasion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also remember benefits of ferments, and greens (i.e. kale), and organic, and non-GMO, and... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm going to edit "kale and other leafy greens" in right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But I haven't really worked ferments in yet. Also, mushrooms!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Non-GMO and organics is an area I've compromised a little on for the sake of convenience lately. It's a "where possible" thing for me right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Have you tried kefir yet? I make it and have it most mornings. It is my only consistently consumed ferment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not in many many years. It might be time to try again! Sauerkraut is where I usually get mine and thankfully everyone in my household loves it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    From my point of view, I don't want to get hung up just on, for lack of a better term, "health food." What I like about Weight Watchers is that I can go anywhere and eat anything. I don't want to become one of those people who are constantly saying things like, "Oh, I can't eat that," or "That isn't on my diet." While I certainly agree that I want to eat healthily, I don't want to turn food into medicine and view every meal with skepticism and suspicion. For me, Weight Watchers is a way to enjoy food without it taking over my life.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Definitely agree - I do not want anything to become a dogma but like to eat relatively healthy 70% of the time. I am also very sceptical of "fads" and unproven "god for you" foods and I've seen many time how one miracle food after another is discredited as new information come in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I love this:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I can't read it. :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From The NY Times:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was into health food before it was cool. There were only two other people I knew who frequented my neighborhood health food store in the late ’80s: an emaciated man with a gray ponytail and a woman with a surprising amount of underarm hair, who smelled of B.O. and patchouli.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The floor there was crowded with bins filled with grains, granola and dried tiger’s milk. And on a small shelf in back was a smattering of organic produce: tiny apples with black spots and a couple of balls of spinach so caked in dirt you had to wash each leaf separately and check for worms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But sometime in the mid-’90s, everyone who made fun of me for being a health nut was suddenly calling for advice. Which was better, organic or local? How did I germinate sprouts? Even my grandmother, who thought I was going to die when I gave up meat as a teenager, wanted my recipe for mock chicken soup.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And now, in the Whole Foods era, as I push my shopping cart down spacious aisles stocked with nonprocessed, gluten-free, non-G.M.O., heirloom, grass-fed, free-range and artisanal goods, I am pleased to know that I was ahead of my time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Imagine my shock, then, at my last physical, when my doctor told me I had hypothyroidism, common in women over 40. When I got home I looked up the condition on the Internet and found a list of foods to avoid. Kale, which I juiced every morning, tops the list, followed by broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, Brussels sprouts and collard greens — the cruciferous vegetables I consumed in large quantities because they are thought to prevent cancer, which runs in my family. And flax — as in the seeds — high in omega 3’s, that I sprinkled on cereal and blended in strawberry almond milk smoothies. Also forbidden: almonds and strawberries, not to mention soy, peaches, peanuts, corn, radishes, rutabaga and spinach.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cari Vander Yacht
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And then, as if my world was not sufficiently rocked, I went to the dentist, who said I had five cavities and asked if I snacked on candy and sodas all day long. I was insulted. Indignant. What did he take me for? No, I answered. I don’t eat sugar and drink only fresh vegetable juices — no longer kale, of course, but carrot and celery, which I’m still allowed. And filtered water with lemon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            “You’d be better off with chocolate and cola,” he said. Apparently the natural sugars in fruit and vegetable juices can cause decay, and lemon, though high in vitamin C and bioflavonoids which may prevent cancer, had eroded the enamel that protected my teeth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I argued that I always brushed afterward. “Worst thing you can do,” he said. “That’s when the teeth are most vulnerable. Always wait half an hour after eating or drinking anything before brushing your teeth. And don’t brush more than twice daily. You’re destroying what little enamel you have left.”

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought he might collapse when he asked what toothpaste I used and I said non-fluoride brands from the health food store. He steadied himself on the arm of the dental chair and let out a long sigh before sending me home with a prescription for an extra-strength fluoride toothpaste, which I had no intention of filling because I was worried that fluoride, even in the smaller concentrations permitted in over-the-counter brands, might be harmful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But by the time I got off the bus in front of the Walgreens by my apartment, I had changed my mind. I bought the toothpaste. You never know what you’ll do when you’re scared. I’d read “The Cancer Prevention Diet” by Michio Kushi, who brought macrobiotics to the United States in the ’60s. In the book, he presents numerous case studies of cancer patients who refused Western treatment and healed naturally, through macrobiotics. But when he was told he had cancer himself, he went under the knife.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I got home and looked up my new toothpaste on the Internet. There I read that fluoride is linked to hypothyroidism. In fact, it’s been used as a medication for hyperthyroid patients, who have the condition opposite to mine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Which should I choose? My thyroid or my teeth? I suppose in the long run my thyroid is more important, though the image of my grandmother’s dentures soaking in cup of water flashed through my mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I considered my dilemma as I opened the fridge and took out the milk my husband puts in his coffee. Not soy, rice or almond milk — but dairy, from a cow. And then I remembered the box of Twinkies my husband had bought — not to eat, but because they were being discontinued and might be valuable one day. It was on a shelf in the hall closet, behind the old typewriter, the dial phone and his stamp collection. Carefully, with a kitchen knife, I removed the top and admired the perfect cakes of my childhood, side by side in their individual cellophane covers, like little sleeping bags. I tore the first one open.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Cripes. I hope I never spiral into hypothyroidism, because the veggies she ticked off are my favorites. :/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Quite unrelated to WW, but how to you get to be an adult and not know that you shouldn't brush right after drinking/eating acidic foods? And that ANY sugar is problematic, not just processed stuff? She kinda sounded like she hadn't been to the dentist since she was two.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Or maybe it's not as common knowledge as I'm assuming and I'm just a judgmental ass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Lol!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't know that thing about teeth brushing and acidic foods. But, I'm not in the habit of running to brush my teeth immediately after eating, either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe I've been lectured by my dentist more than most people. :p Last time I went in, I opened my mouth and he immediately let out a long, heavy sigh. "I see you've been drinking a lot of soda."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a strict requirement for non-sighing health care professionals! I have enough people to disappoint in my life without having to worry about adding to the heavy burden my dentist apparently carries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He definitely isn't my dentist anymore. He had zero people skills. My fiance's dentist (and MOST healthcare professionals, I've since learned) allows people to come back with you if you want. He kind of followed us back, and when the dentist saw him standing in the doorway, he slammed the door in his face. Like, IN his face. I was livid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The goiterogens in cruciferous veggies are mostly deactivated when cooked, Kontxesi. No need to worry about eating them. I DO have a thyroid issue and a hormone imbalance and can eat all of those veggies just fine with no ill effects. The author of that story is either a complete nitwit or doesn't mind looking like one to make her little story "funny."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I actually never heard of those brushing rules before I read this article.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And I'm an adult! I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      With a dentist and everything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: magic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, I guess it's not as common knowledge as I thought. We all learned something today! :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    OK, but that's written by a person who clearly doesn't like food at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No, just what we used to call a "health food nut," lol! I used to go into health food stores with my mother when I was little, and I remember how wan everyone looked. I guess it marked me!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What I get from this is that the foods we consider to be healthy, may, in fact, not be so good when people used them as medicine. I used to work for a woman who followed Adele Davis and used to have the most nauseating breakfast ever -- pan seared liver and a sauce made from plain yogurt and cooking sherry. Yuck. When Adele Davis was diagnosed with cancer, she said something like, "everything I have done has been in vain." The moral of the story for me was, don't turn food into medicine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Liver in yogurt sauce is Albanian national dish - do not knock it! LOL :))

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My mother was a doctor and she taught me about food fads and decisions based on poorly/inadequate research and how minerals have to be in organic form to digest and water-soluble vitamins get excreted faster than adsorbed and so on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And with cooking sherry from the supermarket?? I think not! Either way, I'm not a huge fan of liver (except for pate!), and I still remember the nauseating smell of that in the early morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do not think I had it once while I was working there - the smell is pretty revolting. Chooped liver is the only kind I like but not too often. And once in a while I make liver and onions - must be the time when my body is desperate for iron and beets are not doing it :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree that food isn't medicine, but I also believe that there are most definitely certain health conditions that can be improved or exacerbated by consuming certain foods and avoiding them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think a list of 15 foods that you're going to try to work into your diet that includes broccoli, wild salmon, nuts, green leafy vegetables, colorful peppers, beans and so on is that extremist, really. It's not as if I'm proposing to eat only these foods, but just make an effort to make sure they are in my diet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think anyone fell upon poor health simply because they ate a little more broccoli, bell peppers, wild salmon or nuts and seeds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I find that perfectly reasonable. I've been focusing on having more vegetables in general, but broccoli and cabbage seem to be pretty common at my house now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm still having trouble with hardy greens.... I can eat standard Southern-style collard greens, but it's more of an "eating them because I know I should" thing. The kale frittata I made a while ago was terrible (but I think I might just hate frittatas.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love kale salads. Kale is very sturdy and the salad, dressed and all, keeps well for a few days. My favourite is with tahini dressing probably because I love Middle eastern flavours but there are other recipes that are very tasty too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not a huge kale fan either, honestly. I do like it in Caldo Verde and kale crisps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And I really loved it as in I can't stop eating it in this dish: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Everyone raves about kale chips, but I've never gotten around to trying them. I'm getting some from work this week, so maybe I'll give it a go!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Kontxesi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I do not like kale chips - can't figure out why people are so crazy about them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Because they're awesome?!? We love 'em but we make them so we're seasoning them how we like them. The ones in packages are pretty processed tasting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I tasted homemade not just the packaged kind and think that fresh kale is so much better tasting but to each its own, right? :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think it's definitely a matter of personal preference. My husband doesn't like kale chips. But, he doesn't like raw kale either. He will only eat kale in Caldo Verde and, honestly, I think he likes the sausage so much he doesn't notice the kale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd love some ideas for the different ways you like to season your kale chips.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also, have you had any luck storing them and keeping them crisp? They never last long enough around my house but I'm thinking I might want to try making a big batch for snacks...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            They don't last very long here, either! I do have a couple of canisters that I can use with the hose of my vac sealer to keep them crispy, though. We use all different kinds of spice mixes- garlic and herb, indian, mexican, cajun, etc. We keep trying anything that comes to mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I need to make some soon, the kale in the garden is HUGE and I need to start thinning plants to get my spring/ summer veggies in the ground.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It must be so nice to have kale in the ground and be able to actually plant! And we still have several feet of snow on the ground....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Being able to garden year round is a major factor in living here, it's really important to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: weezieduzzit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Where is "here"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry, Southern California.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. re: herby

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They are good if you like salty, crispy things, I think. And I just find the way they almost melt in your melt a marvel. It's bizarre to say, but I could totally binge on kale chips.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I agree. I eat all those things anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I probably don't as much as I should...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: roxlet