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Help me choose my saucier

DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 11:43 AM

I really need a new saucier. My requirements are:

2-3 quarts, nothing larger
induction friendly
not All-Clad

I've always though that a saucier needed to be aluminum, copper or clad SS to work well, but I'm no longer wedded to that idea. But pan weight has become a factor for me, and I love my disk bottom Vollrath Optio saucepans. They're amazing on my induction range. If a case can be made that disk bottom ones work well, I'll absolutely go for one of those.

The pans highest on my list right now are:

Sitram Profiserie Stainless Steel 2.1-Quart Open Saucier Pan http://www.amazon.com/Sitram-Profiser...

and

BonJour Stainless Steel Clad 2.5-Quart Covered Saucier http://www.amazon.com/BonJour-Stainle...

What else should I be considering, and why do you like it?

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    mikie RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 12:33 PM

    I've bought a fair amount of Viking recently and I really like it. I don't have the saucier, but I think the saucepan, sauté pan, and frying pan I have are great. take a look and see what you think. It's induction compatable, 2 qt., clad SS, comfortable handle.

    http://www.cutleryandmore.com/viking-...

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      DuffyH RE: mikie Jan 30, 2014 03:59 PM

      mikie,

      How thick is the Viking? What are the layers?

      The Bonjour is tri-ply, 3.5mm total, with a 2.5mm Al core. The weight is listed at a whopping 4.8lbs!

      And crap! Someone bought the last one @ $110, now the lowest price is at $180. >:(

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        mikie RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 06:47 PM

        Hi DuffyH,

        My Viking 2 qt sauce pan is over 3mm, close to 3.5 mm total, I don't know what thickness the core is. It's 7 ply SS/Al/SS overall, but not sure what the middle five layers are specifically. Made in Belgium, reportedly Demeyere.

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          DuffyH RE: mikie Jan 30, 2014 07:43 PM

          Thanks, mikie.

          Reading a review over on Amazon, it was claimed that the saucier (don't know about Viking in general) has a thicker base than walls. Do your pans have this? Was the reviewer smoking something that's only legal in 2 states?

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            mikie RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 09:20 AM

            As with all cookware manufacturers, Viking literature is not very revealing as to specifics of construction. I assume that other than some us here, most shoppers don't know and don't care. If it were something I just had to know, I have equipment at work that I could use to measure every aspect of a pan, but it's way more trouble to get this $150K machine set up to measure than it's worth for me to know the thickness of the bottom of my pans. But it's accurate to 5 decimel places if I ever measure something. The literature doesn't mention anything about the bottom thickness being different, but that doesn't mean much in my opinion, they don't tell you much in general. We may have a micrometer at work that will measure the thhickness of the bottom, I'll check next week when I'm in the office, if we do I can measure with that, it's way easier. I don't have anything that will allow me to get over the sidewalls here at the house.

    2. kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 12:58 PM

      What is your budget, Duffy?

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        DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 04:02 PM

        Hey Kaleo,

        I'd like to keep it as close to $100 as possible, but am willing to go up to $200 for the right pan. I've only ever owned one saucier (Calphalon 3qt. tri-ply) and am a bit of a babe in the woods here. Do you think I'll see much higher ROI in performance if I go a lot higher?

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          kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 04:23 PM

          NOS: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEMEYERE-SAUC...

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            DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 04:57 PM

            Thank you, Kaleo!

            That's quite a find. I just sent the seller an email asking about capacity and weight.

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              laraffinee RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 05:33 PM

              That Demeyere saucier looks like a really good find!

              I have the Demeyere Atlantis saucier and it is induction compatible - I don't have induction, I cook on gas flame. That saucier is such a perfect piece of cookware -custards, crème anglaise, alfredo sauce.....smooth as silk....

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                DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Feb 1, 2014 09:03 AM

                I got the specs on the Demyere pan. It's about 2.6lbs and seller thinks (based on measuring with beans) that it's almost 3 quarts.

                I've put in a bid. Now I wait.

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                  Leepa RE: DuffyH Feb 1, 2014 09:32 AM

                  Duffy, I'll share my strategy for winning eBay auctions for a reasonable price. Never ever bid ahead of time. That only drives up the price. I watch the auction and see what kind of action it's getting. If I can't be monitoring it during the last few minutes, then I will place a bid if I have to, but I almost never win those. Have nerves of steel and place your max bid in the last few seconds of the auction. 95% of the time I'm the winner of those. It also helps that I call out "Suckers!" when placing my bid...or maybe it just gives me some satisfaction. And, yes, I know there are bidding apps and programs out there. Where is the fun in that?!

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                    wekick RE: Leepa Feb 1, 2014 09:51 AM

                    If someone does want to use a bidding service, esnipe works well. It eliminates last minute problems with your server or can bid if you are busy doing something else. It can be handy to in case you forget the item is coming up.

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                      DuffyH RE: Leepa Feb 1, 2014 12:58 PM

                      Leepa,

                      I won't be around the day the auction ends, so waiting was out of the question. We've used ebay many times and went 'round and 'round here at home, bid early or not, but in the end decided that I had little to lose by bidding early.

                      I've set my max bid, and that won't change no matter what.

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                        Leepa RE: DuffyH Feb 1, 2014 03:05 PM

                        Hope you get it! I'll have my fingers crossed for you.

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                  kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 10:45 AM

                  Hi, Duffy:

                  Well, I'll keep looking.

                  Just for cost comparison purposes, here's a first-rate Gaillard Windsor in great shape that just went for $132: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GAILLARD-Pari...

                  Aloha,
                  Kaleo

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                  DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 04:17 PM

                  Hey Kaleo,

                  I wanted to share a new discovery with you and this is the perfect place. When trying to figure out how small I could go in a saucier and still trigger my 7" (min. pan size) front burner, I tried my 1 qt Optio saucepan on it, thinking no way. Well, color me happy when it worked as well as it's larger sibling. Then I measured it, thinking it was likely 5.5-6". It's a mere 4.5" across!

                  Now I'm thrilled, knowing I'll only need to use the back burners when using 3 or more pans. Yay, me!

                  Weather update - today in Tampa, 48 crappy degrees. Tell me it's gorgeous in Lihue. It's going to be 83º next tuesday. I'll be at Universal Studios Orlando drinking Butterbeer with my son. It's our annual "Mommy and Me" day.

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                    kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 07:12 PM

                    Hi, Duffy:

                    That's good such a small pan triggers your top.

                    Try seeing how small you can go.

                    76 and sunny in Lihu'e today.

                    What's Butterbeer?

                    Aloha,
                    Kaleo

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                      DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 08:40 PM

                      Kaleo,

                      Hmmm.... I'm trying to think of things I can use to test the sensor. The 1 quart pan is my smallest. Any ideas?

                      I remember 76 like it was last tuesday. Oh, yeah, it was. Or maybe that was last week. Might have been 80 this week. The temp has been bouncing all over the place for the last 10 days or so. I'm living in a yo-yo. :(

                      I'll take your boring weather any time. I know you appreciate it, too. :)

                      Butterbeer is what wizards drink, from Harry Potter books. Universal Orlando has a whole Hogwart's area that we're looking forward to seeing.

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                        Susangria RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 08:52 PM

                        The frozen butter beer is best.... and ask for extra 'foam' on top! :)

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                          DuffyH RE: Susangria Jan 30, 2014 09:26 PM

                          Susangria,

                          I just added the note to my list for the day, thanks. :)

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                          kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Feb 1, 2014 09:23 AM

                          Try a large measuring cup or a small pasty mold.

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                            DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Feb 1, 2014 01:14 PM

                            Devilspawn,

                            I hate you.

                            <Try a large measuring cup or a small pasty mold.>

                            Following your advice, I grabbed a magnet and started checking anything small that looked like steel. What I found is the lid to a glass canister that I previously thought was chromed plastic. It measures 3.75". I didn't think it would trigger the sensor, and the panel did flash for a few seconds before registering.

                            Satisfied that it works, I grabbed the lid to remove it from the heat before it warped or did something really bad. It's really, really thin, after all.

                            In addition to being really, really thin, it was also really, really hot. As in instantly raised a blister on my thumb hot.

                            <Try seeing how small you can go.>
                            At least 3.75".

                            I hate you.

                            Sincerely,
                            Duffy

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                              kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Feb 2, 2014 09:50 PM

                              Devilspawn? Unrequited love?

                              I didn't mean to burn you. This is a good object lesson. The detector circuits vary, and it's good to know how small you can go, so some unsuspecting someone *doesn't* get burned.

                              This is a very real safety issue, one that is not publicized. It's one of the intangibles of induction--the balance between the frustration of "not useable" and unsafe. As you have learned, someone else decided that for you.

                              Aloha,
                              Kaleo

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                                DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Feb 3, 2014 04:41 AM

                                Good morning Kaleo,

                                <It's one of the intangibles of induction--the balance between the frustration of "not useable" and unsafe.>

                                I'm not sure I understand.

                                I *think* the reason I got burned is that my little lid was able to heat up so quickly because it was so thin. It took quite literally 5 seconds, from the time I placed it on the hob until I dropped it. I imagine the same thing could happen on a gas range, but there'd be the visual/tactile cues of flames and heat to alert one that caution should be exercised. Those cues are absent on my range, of course.

                                My fault, for not knowing just how quickly things can get blazing hot on my range, and of course yours, for suggesting the exercise in the first place. Devilspawn. ;)

                                On a more positive note, things can get blazing hot on my range, really fast. Makes me glad I switched to induction.

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                    toddrhodes RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 01:18 PM

                    What about the Sitram with a copper core, $100 for a 2Q?

                    http://www.amazon.com/Sitram-Catering...

                    I'm actually thinking about one of these now. My other saucepans are nonstick but the coating has begun to come off. I really need to get better at making sauces; in a lot of cases that is my 2nd favorite part of the meal. I failed at two of them last night. Ugh... practice practice I guess :)

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                      kaleokahu RE: toddrhodes Jan 30, 2014 01:30 PM

                      Hi, todd:

                      I really like Sitram Catering (great bang for the buck), but I don't think it's induction-compatible. Some was, and some wasn't, but Duffy has a new induction stove, so I think she needs to be sure...

                      Aloha,
                      Kaleo

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                        toddrhodes RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 01:34 PM

                        Ahhh, darn, forgot about that part. I am always stuck in my little all-gas vacuum :) Thanks for setting that straight kaleo!

                        Todd

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                          kaleokahu RE: toddrhodes Jan 30, 2014 02:07 PM

                          And I hope you get to stay in your gas vacuum. It can make these choices easier.

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                            toddrhodes RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 06:37 PM

                            So true, though this induction craze seems fascinating. And if I ever want to dip my toe in that water, I could always get a portable hob to play around with but they're a bit spendy for something to tinker with. Anyway, I ended up getting the Sitram Catering 2Q for $67 with tax on Amazon. They had a "used like new" option which I personally have had very good success with (like a $1000 A/V receiver for $240, backed by Amazon) so I decided to take the plunge. To accompany I picked up my first "sauce" cookbook, "Get Saucy" based on a recommendation I found on here. I'm not interested in trying to make mother sauces at this point, just fun glazes, bbq sauce, asian dipping sauce, that sort of thing. And I've discovered I like to make caramel so I will be trying that in the new Sitran soon. Thanks for the advice!

                            Cheers,
                            Todd

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                              DuffyH RE: toddrhodes Jan 30, 2014 07:42 PM

                              Induction craze? You make it sound a bit like a fad. Bite your tongue!

                              Seriously, what everyone loves best about gas cooking, it's fast response, is exactly what induction owners love about their cooktops. I wouldn't suggest anyone switch out a perfectly nice gas range for induction, but for anyone unhappy with or tired of their electric range, absolutely!

                              In terms of response time, it's virtually identical to gas. In terms of speed, with good induction cookware, there's no comparison.

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                                toddrhodes RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 07:49 PM

                                Sorry, poor choice of words :) It's the wave of the future, I'm sure of it. I'd have bought one when I picked up my Performer 30" but we'd have had to run a 220 line and I'd have had to replace a bunch of pans, moreso than the good stuff I've been buying lately so it just wasn't in the cards. Plus, I couldn't use my 23 x 14 griddle, I wouldn't think :( But yea, I am jealous too some degree but my 25k burners can take a decent quantity of water to a boil in 5 minutes so I can live with that. Hasn't induction been in use for years across the pond(s), just not so much here in the states?

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                                  DuffyH RE: toddrhodes Jan 30, 2014 08:23 PM

                                  <Hasn't induction been in use for years across the pond(s), just not so much here in the states?>

                                  Just so. Much longer. It never seems to catch on here. I saw a FASOR tile setup (still the coolest cooking thing I've ever seen) at the Del Mar Fair in 1985 or so. They're now out of business. One of the big demo/show kitchen companies makes some similar stuff today. Maybe it will finally gain some traction now, with more mainstream players. Perhaps the popularity of PICs is driving the new interest. If so, my hat is off to NuWave. :)

                                  Still, I don't think anyone with a gas range is missing a lot. Well, there's that speed thing, but otherwise it's very much the same. I *think* my kitchen is cooler, but I just got my range and we haven't had enough warm days yet for me to say that with any certainty. Anyway, if my house had a gas line, I'd have switched out the crappy radiant range for an inexpensive gas one 3 years ago and still been happy.

                                  The speed thing is pretty cool, though. Really cool. It cuts total cooking time on a simple pasta toss in half. For me it means when my 4 grandsons are here and screaming for food, I can throw a big bowl of pasta at them in about 10 minutes flat. I suspect that's part of what's making me think my kitchen is cooler. Heating a pot of water heats up a kitchen fast.

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                                    sueatmo RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 06:51 PM

                                    I used my cheapie cast iron wok the other night and I was really, really happy. I used almost the highest setting and got better stir fry than I've had since I stopped using gas 30 years ago.

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                                    GH1618 RE: toddrhodes Jan 30, 2014 08:49 PM

                                    Europe had more incentive to develop induction because of energy availability and cost, and European manufacturers made an improvement which lowered the cost to only a little more than that of a conventional electric flat-top, so got a head start.

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                          DuffyH RE: toddrhodes Jan 30, 2014 04:04 PM

                          Hi Todd,

                          I'd like to add copper, yes. But sadly, as Kaleo mentioned below, I'm wedded to (and happily so) my new induction range. Thanks for thinking of it.

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                            danlind3 RE: toddrhodes Jan 31, 2014 06:05 AM

                            I just got a Sitram catering 2.06 qt saucier. I think the copper disk is too small. It develops a hot ring around the edges even on a really low flame. For a different pan shape, it may work well, but not for this saucier at this size.

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                              DuffyH RE: danlind3 Jan 31, 2014 06:25 AM

                              That's a major complaint over at Cook's Illustrated that they level at many of the disk bottom pots. In fairness, they do state that this only a problem with gas ranges. They suggest buying a pan with disk that covers as much of the pan base as possible. Think Demeyere Atlantis/John Pawson. Even with those care needs to be taken to avoid a flame that's wider than the pan's base.

                              Surprisingly, the fairly inexpensive Berghoff Earhchef pans have full base coverage (very thick too), the dirt cheap Homichef pans appear to have almost full coverage, and my almost dirt cheap Vollrath Optio is very, very close.

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                                ellabee RE: DuffyH Feb 1, 2014 08:39 PM

                                I tried a Homichef saucier because it was so cheap I had very little to lose. It had almost full-base coverage, but things scorched on the thin stainless area near the base. It went off to the thrift store.

                                After that, I got the 2.5 qt Demeyere Apollo saucier that I'd yearned for for a while. It worked just fine, but I almost never had a real need for it, because shortly afterwards I got a smaller 1.5 qt heavy copper saucier, which is what I much prefer to use.

                                It would certainly be different if I had a full induction cooktop, but my induction is a portable unit acting as one (rear) burner -- just not as comfortable for highly interactive work like whisking or frequent stirring as a front burner. I'm planning to put the Demeyere on ebay at some point; I dawdled through the prime selling season (fall up into December), but am determined to get moving on it.

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                                  DuffyH RE: ellabee Feb 1, 2014 09:41 PM

                                  ellabee,

                                  Those walls are why I didn't choose Homichef pans. I knew that with the base as thick and wide as it was, they had to sacrifice somewhere. The only thing left was the gauge of steel used.

                                  Based on your post, I made an excellent decision. I've had no scorching in my Optio pans. Well, not since I learned how much heat gets delivered at various levels. But it was only the one pan of chili, so I don't count it. ;)

                                  If I don't win the current auction, let's talk about your saucier.

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                            sueatmo RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 03:57 PM

                            I intend to buy the Sitram for myself sometime this year. As you know I like Sitram.

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                              kaleokahu RE: sueatmo Jan 30, 2014 04:23 PM

                              Hi, Sue:

                              Here it is for a nice price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sitram-by-Fri...

                              Aloha,
                              Kaleo

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                                DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 05:07 PM

                                Hey Kaleo?

                                Let me ask you what I asked sue. For most everyday sauces (I'm not into caramel or other really sensitive sauces) am I likely to notice a real difference between a thick disk bottom pan and a good clad pan?

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                                  kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 07:08 PM

                                  Hi, Duffy:

                                  If we're talking about a small saucier (rather than a classic sauce pan), you might notice a better result in a fully clad pan.

                                  Aloha,
                                  Kaleo

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                                    DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 08:04 PM

                                    Kaleo,

                                    That's exactly opposite to what I was thinking. I thought that between the two disk saucier options, large and small, the smaller saucier, with it's smaller volume/base ratio, would be more like it's clad cousin. Not right?

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                                  sueatmo RE: kaleokahu Jan 30, 2014 06:16 PM

                                  Thank you, K. The truth is I am concentrating on obtaining a new set of white china. So, my dollars will go in that direction pretty soon.

                                  But I want the saucier before the holidays next year.

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                                  DuffyH RE: sueatmo Jan 30, 2014 05:05 PM

                                  hi sue,

                                  I was hoping to hear from you because of your liking for Sitram. You treated yourself to a Sitram piece last year, right? Which one was it?

                                  In addition to saucepans, I've also got a Vollrath sauté and like it very much. Profiserie appears to be quite similar so I've no doubt I'd like it, too. I just wonder about a disk base saucier. Would I notice the difference?

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                                    sueatmo RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 06:12 PM

                                    I bought a saute pan and a big rondeau. You have heard about my satisfaction. The saute pan works well for me.

                                    I used a Cuisinart Windsor and thought it made a large amount of sauce very well. That had a disk bottom. My small All Clad saucier works well too, but for a smaller amount of stuff. I am not hung up on this, as you know. What I will say is that although the Profiserie line is quite handsome, they are not stove jewelry.

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                                      DuffyH RE: sueatmo Jan 30, 2014 06:38 PM

                                      Sue,

                                      Pretty is as pretty cooks. :)

                                      You know I'm not concerned with stove jewelry, either. Still, I do like my SS to look nice, by which I mean it can't be grungy like my deBuyer stuff. I love the look of commercial cookware. It suits my contemporary kitchen. The prices generally don't upset me, either. ;)

                                      Let me ask you - do you see a difference in the Cuisinart and the AC?

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                                        sueatmo RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 07:05 PM

                                        I used the old Cuisinart only on electric or glass topped cooktops. It is really hard to say.

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                                      bevwinchester RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 06:51 AM

                                      Correct- it's the Sitram Profiserie line that's induction capable. I tried some & am very pleased with its wgt. & performance. Not the best "looker" in my kitchen- but color me satisfied.... I only wish I could say that about the damn Demeyere I invested in.

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                                        sueatmo RE: bevwinchester Jan 31, 2014 07:06 PM

                                        Good stuff, Profiserie, huh?

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                                    GH1618 RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 06:47 PM

                                    The BonJour seems to meet your parameters, but for that price you could get this 3 qt Mauviel:

                                    http://www.cutleryandmore.com/mauviel...

                                    If too much weight is a problem, the easiest way to save weight without compromising quality is to get the smaller version, 1.7 in the case of the Mauviel, unless you really need a large one. I would want the 1.7 anyway. I use a 1-qt saucier now and almost never wish I had a larger one.

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                                      DuffyH RE: GH1618 Jan 30, 2014 07:29 PM

                                      The Bonjour was $105 this morning with 1 left, but it seems someone bought that pan. So now it's the higher price.

                                      Admittedly, it's weight that will keep me away from the 3 qt. Mauviel, as I know with those handles (ok, but not ideal) it's going to weigh a ton in my hand. 2.5 quarts is probably the max size in the thicker pans like Mauviel, Viking, Bonjour and Demeyere. My 3 quart Calphalon was a strain with food in it.

                                      I wouldn't mind the Mauviel 1.7qt, but it is a little smaller than I'd like.

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                                        DuffyH RE: GH1618 Feb 4, 2014 09:40 PM

                                        I've just found the Mauviel M'collection de cuisine 1.7qt pan for $99, even less the M'cook line at cutleryandmore. It looks just like M'Cook, but likely made to be a SLT exclusive? OTOH, I can score the M'Cook 3qt pan at BB&B for ~$135 w/a coupon.

                                        But here's the weird part about the SLT line...
                                        "Five-ply construction consisting of three layers of aluminum sandwiched between two layers of 2.6 mm-thick stainless steel for unmatched heat transfer and thermal efficiency"

                                        Can this be true? 2.6mm of SS? Is it more likely they mean 2.6mm TOTAL thickness?

                                        http://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO...

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                                          mikie RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 08:56 AM

                                          There is no way that the pan is as discribed. The way the discription reads there are two layers of SS at 2.6 mm each, that's 5.2 mm without the aluminum and you can bet the whole thing isn't 5.2 mm. Based on the M-cook that I've looked at, the whole pan is more likely 2.6 mm and that would match the Mauviel labels for the most part.

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                                            DuffyH RE: mikie Feb 5, 2014 11:19 AM

                                            mikie,

                                            Ah. Finally found what I need to know on the Mauviel website. It took a little searching, because I'm slow and old.

                                            "2.6 mm Thickness on all shapes - even heat distribution (fast, uniform, controlled cooking)."

                                            That claim did sound really, really wrong.

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                                        GH1618 RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 07:03 PM

                                        Here's the Viking on sale:

                                        http://www.cutleryandmore.com/viking-...

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                                          Leepa RE: DuffyH Jan 30, 2014 07:33 PM

                                          I have the Sitram (and an AC as well) and have always liked it. I don't have induction though. Isn't the Sitram not induction friendly with its aluminum disc?

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                                            DuffyH RE: Leepa Jan 30, 2014 07:58 PM

                                            Leepa,

                                            The Profiserie is induction compatible, the Catering line is not.

                                            Let me ask you the same thing I asked Sue - do you notice a difference between the Sitram and AC?

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                                              Leepa RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 05:55 AM

                                              I have an old electric coil stove and think the disk bottom pots tend to overheat if I mistakenly use them over higher heat. I have had some food scorch in the disk area if I wasn't paying attention. That may not happen with another type of stove top.

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                                            GH1618 RE: DuffyH Jan 31, 2014 06:16 AM

                                            A saucier is one pan for which a disc bottom does not seem appropriate. The The high-radius corner makes the side an extension of the bottom. You want even heating around that corner and on the lower sidewall so that a delicate sauce can be held at the optimal temperature without scorching.

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                                              sueatmo RE: GH1618 Jan 31, 2014 07:10 PM

                                              OK, does anyone have the Sitram Profiserie saucier? I'd really like to hear from an actual user. I mean isn't this meant for use in a commercial kitchen? I would think it would perform. Yes? No?

                                            2. Robin Joy RE: DuffyH Feb 3, 2014 02:49 AM

                                              I have a couple of these. The perform really well, and check the price! (Cover an extra cost tho').

                                              http://www.nisbets.com/Stainless-Stee...

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                                                toddrhodes RE: DuffyH Feb 3, 2014 10:59 AM

                                                My $65 Sitram Catering 2Q showed up today. Going to make a warm bacon dressing for a potato salad tonight as a first-run. Should be interesting since I'll have to fry up some bacon first, then add shallots, sugar, and vinegar afterwards. The stickers that come on the pan were annoying, but a razor blade and some Goof-Off took care of them. The pan is literally brand new, just not in Sitram packaging. I'll take a savings of $40 for some bland packaging. I'm not cooking with the box after all :)

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                                                  petek RE: toddrhodes Feb 3, 2014 11:18 AM

                                                  I bought this Sitram 2 qrt over 20 years ago and it's still a workhorse. Not sure which line it is(catering?) and I also have a 11 qrt rondeau that I never use(way too big for my stove top.

                                                   
                                                   
                                                2. DuffyH RE: DuffyH Feb 4, 2014 08:46 PM

                                                  I didn't win the vintage Demeyere pan (knew it was a long shot, not being present) and am torn between buying now and waiting for another great find to show up.

                                                  Urging me to buy now is the growing scarcity of Viking and Bonjour pans. Both are high on my list, with a lot of aluminum and the same overall thickness. Does anyone know if the Viking has a pouring rim?

                                                  I've been looking at the CIA pan, too, but it appears to have a straight rim. Not a deal breaker, but not ideal either. Does anyone have CIA pans? I'd like to know how it compares to Viking.

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                                                    Sirrith RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 06:02 AM

                                                    Hi Duffy, I'm a bit late to the party, and probably missed a few posts, but have you looked at this one yet? It isn't called a "saucier", but looks to be pretty much the same thing.
                                                    http://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO...

                                                    Granted, it is 1/2 a quart larger than you want, but it is 5-ply, 3mm of aluminium (in 3 layers of Al and Al alloy), and is currently on sale. Weight is 5lbs with lid and 4lbs without lid according to the Q&A.

                                                    I have an Industry5 skillet, and love it.

                                                    They also do a saucier in 2qt size, but that one costs more than the 3 1/2qt essential pan currently:
                                                    http://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO...

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                                                      DuffyH RE: Sirrith Feb 5, 2014 11:43 AM

                                                      Thanks, Sirrith.

                                                      I did look at those a while back but forgot about them lately. 3mm is a good middle ground among the pans I'm considering, and might strike the perfect balance between quick response and heat distribution. I'm a big fan or those handles, too, because the wide fork seems to do an excellent job distributing the pan's weight; more so than with other pans I've handled and cooked with.

                                                      I think, despite the price difference, I like the smaller 2 qt, and better yet, according to Amazon, it's twin, the Zwilling Sensation Conic Sauté, weighs just 2 lbs.

                                                      So now I've got another pan to think about, thanks for nothing. ;p

                                                      Might be time for another road trip to SLT in Sarasota to check out some pans. And Penzeys is a block away, so it's a win-win. :)

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                                                        Sirrith RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 03:52 PM

                                                        I was trying to find the Sensation5 version, but it wasn't showing up in the results. I see now they omitted the "5" :)

                                                        But it looks to be the same price as the Demeyere branded version unfortunately.

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                                                          DuffyH RE: Sirrith Feb 5, 2014 05:26 PM

                                                          Yeah.

                                                          You know what I want? I want 5mm of induction aluminum mated to a round Vollrath handle with a Demeyere fork. Now really, is that asking for so much? :(

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                                                            Sirrith RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 05:28 PM

                                                            Well, with some basic welding skills... ;)

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                                                              DuffyH RE: Sirrith Feb 5, 2014 05:59 PM

                                                              Devilspawn, er, Kaleo should be able to make it for me. :)

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                                                                kaleokahu RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 07:23 PM

                                                                I resemble that remark.

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                                                                  DuffyH RE: kaleokahu Feb 5, 2014 07:42 PM

                                                                  Put on your flameproof panties and get out your welding tools. :)

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                                                      mikie RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 08:51 AM

                                                      I don't have the Viking saucier so I can't say, but the 2 qt saucepan does not have the pouring rim, nor does the sauté pan, however the 9.5 inch frying pan does. Not much help I know.

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                                                        DuffyH RE: mikie Feb 5, 2014 11:09 AM

                                                        mikie,

                                                        I can't help but laugh as I read this. How perverse is Viking to put a pouring rim on a pan that doesn't *really* need it, and leave it off the saucepan that does?

                                                        Sure, the rolled rim will make it easier to slide food from the frypan to the plate, but they shouldn't ignore the poor saucepan.

                                                        Well, as I said, the rim isn't a deal breaker, but it might serve as a tie-breaker, if it comes to that. Thanks. :)

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                                                          mikie RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 12:10 PM

                                                          Yes, I too found that to be odd. However, if one uses a candy thermometer in conjunction with the sauce pan, it's a better fit without the rim. Good luck with your quest.

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                                                          danlind3 RE: mikie Feb 5, 2014 12:29 PM

                                                          The Viking saucier has a straight side/rim, just like the saucepan.

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                                                            DuffyH RE: danlind3 Feb 5, 2014 12:56 PM

                                                            Thanks!

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                                                        ollieollie RE: DuffyH Feb 5, 2014 04:09 PM

                                                        I'm curious as to why you are against All-Clad?

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                                                          DuffyH RE: ollieollie Feb 5, 2014 05:23 PM

                                                          Hi ollieollie,

                                                          All-Clad handles suck lemons.

                                                          Hey, you asked! :)

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                                                            ollieollie RE: DuffyH Feb 6, 2014 06:39 AM

                                                            Haha! I can see that. All-Clad is one of my favorites, but then again I have not tried many other cookware brands, which is why I was curious. I'm always open to finding better options! :-)

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                                                              DuffyH RE: ollieollie Feb 6, 2014 07:18 AM

                                                              <I'm always open to finding better options! >

                                                              In that vein, I ordered a Vollrath Tribute clad saucier to try. It's very hard to pin down the pan's thickness, but I *think* that after much research and talking to the regional sales guy, it might have a 3mm aluminum core. If so, that's going to place it right up there with Viking, Demeyere and Bonjour for thickness, at a small fraction of the price.

                                                              I think it might be a little shallower then I'd prefer, but it's hard to know without trying it out.

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